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| gibi | #startmeeting nova | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 7 16:00:22 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 16:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 16:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 16:00 |
| artom | ~o~ | 16:00 |
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| stephenfin | o/ | 16:01 |
| lyarwood | o/ | 16:01 |
| gmann | o/ | 16:02 |
| gibi | happy new year :) | 16:02 |
| gibi | lets get started | 16:02 |
| gibi | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:02 | |
| gibi | no critical bugs | 16:02 |
| gibi | #link 17 new untriaged bugs (+10 since the last meeting): #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 16:02 |
| gibi | (it is a bit better actually as I triaged some in the meantime) | 16:02 |
| stephenfin | I'll take a look later today also | 16:03 |
| gibi | cool | 16:03 |
| gibi | any specific bug we need to discuss today/ | 16:03 |
| gibi | ? | 16:03 |
| gibi | if not then | 16:04 |
| gibi | #topic Gate status | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:04 | |
| gibi | gate on master is not blocked | 16:04 |
| stephenfin | It's actually looking very stable | 16:04 |
| bauzas | whoops | 16:04 |
| * bauzas waves late | 16:04 | |
| dansmith | I did see one glance job failure on a test that only runs in multistore mode | 16:05 |
| gibi | I had to recheck due to some intermittent package mirror things in grenad hope it was one time | 16:05 |
| dansmith | it wasn't on a nova patch, but in a job we run | 16:05 |
| dansmith | so I want to dig into that.. it was like a glance test that hung forever I think, just in case anyone sees that | 16:05 |
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| gibi | dansmith: thanks for the info | 16:05 |
| lyarwood | hmm I recall creating a bug for something like that before the break | 16:05 |
| * lyarwood checks | 16:05 | |
| gmann | devstack fixes for swift extra requirement are merged swift one is also in gate to merge so this nova fix is green and good to go https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/766171 | 16:06 |
| gibi | gmann: thanks, we get back the stable status in a bit | 16:06 |
| lyarwood | gmann: that's waiting on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/swift/+/766214 btw | 16:06 |
| lyarwood | and yeah lets talk about stable later | 16:06 |
| gmann | yeah. it should pass now but let's wait | 16:07 |
| lyarwood | okay I can't find the glance bug but I saw some failures like that on master before the break | 16:07 |
| gibi | OK | 16:07 |
| dansmith | lyarwood: ack | 16:07 |
| gibi | if it becomes freqent the lets file a bug for it | 16:07 |
| gibi | until that, lets move on | 16:07 |
| gibi | #topic Release Planning | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:07 | |
| gibi | Milestone 2 is 22nd of Jan | 16:08 |
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| gibi | which will be spec freeze for us | 16:08 |
| gibi | any other release or deadline relate thing we need to talk about? | 16:08 |
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| gibi | #topic Stable Branches | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable Branches (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:09 | |
| gibi | elod collected status that I will copy now | 16:10 |
| gibi | stable gate fixes are progressing, though slowly | 16:10 |
| gibi | gate of victoria, ussuri, queens and pike should be OK | 16:10 |
| gibi | train fix looks promising as the patches that it depends on (in devstack) are currently on the gate queue - https://review.opendev.org/766171 | 16:10 |
| gibi | stein patch fails on lower-constraints job (timeout during pip install) - https://review.opendev.org/766487 | 16:10 |
| gibi | rocky patch fails on lower-constraints job (2 test cases fail, probably due to some dependency is too low) - https://review.opendev.org/766492 | 16:10 |
| gibi | EOM | 16:10 |
| gibi | thanks elod | 16:10 |
| lyarwood | Did we want to discuss dropping the LC jobs in stable today? | 16:10 |
| gibi | lyarwood: let's discuss it | 16:11 |
| gmann | yeah | 16:11 |
| gmann | we still have on master right? | 16:11 |
| lyarwood | so I'm personally in favour assuming the TC have talked this over with downstream packagers etc? | 16:11 |
| lyarwood | gmann: I thought the idea was to drop it everywhere? | 16:12 |
| gmann | yeah | 16:12 |
| dansmith | I wouldn't assume that, and there seems to still be discussion on that thread as of this morning, right? | 16:12 |
| gibi | my viewpoint is that i) it is pretty nightmare to maintain without pip support for lc. ii) but also I see zigo made a point on ML that he sees lc as useful input for packagers | 16:12 |
| gmann | I started the thread on this #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2021-January/019672.html | 16:12 |
| lyarwood | right I hadn't sync'd with the thread sorry | 16:12 |
| lyarwood | we should let that play out first I guess | 16:12 |
| zigo | gibi: I typically cannot take care of many non-openstack dependencies. For example I'm not the maintainer of SQLA... | 16:13 |
| stephenfin | can we make the jobs non-voting to fix things in the short term? | 16:13 |
| gmann | i have not read the stephenfin reply yet but may be we can discuss on ML more first and then decide ? | 16:13 |
| stephenfin | assuming this is breaking the gate | 16:13 |
| zigo | I'd be important to test with an older SQLA. | 16:13 |
| stephenfin | and let the discussion on the list play out | 16:13 |
| lyarwood | stephenfin: yup that's also an alternative | 16:13 |
| gmann | stephenfin: making n-v might end up with broken job and no one fixing. | 16:13 |
| gibi | stephenfin: I'm not against making the non-voting while we fix / decide on the way forward | 16:13 |
| stephenfin | gmann: I mean if it's already broken. If it's currently working, leave well enough alone :) | 16:14 |
| gibi | zigo: is it just sqla or are there other important dependencies from your perspective? | 16:14 |
| gmann | but why we want to keep it? it is testing in the way it is supposed to | 16:14 |
| zigo | gibi: This was just an example out of my mind ... | 16:14 |
| zigo | There's more to it, of course. | 16:14 |
| gmann | hum ok until it is passing we can keep :) | 16:14 |
| zigo | (probably a bad example, as we keep SQLA up-to-date anyways) | 16:14 |
| gibi | zigo: would be good to know how heavly you (or other packagers) are dependant on the lc job and the lc file | 16:15 |
| gmann | zigo: does not lower cap in requirements.txt help ? | 16:15 |
| gmann | those lower cap in requirements.txt are same as constraint in l-c file | 16:16 |
| zigo | My workflow is to try as much as I can to update everything, retaining in debian/control only what services are really declaring. | 16:16 |
| stephenfin | gmann: Was that directed at me? I'm suggesting making it non-voting in case we decide to keep them, since it'll be less work to fix the job and make voting that to restore the machinery entirely | 16:16 |
| zigo | I do expect that if someone says >= 2.3, then I really can use 2.3, though I will *try* to put upload whatever's in the current upper-constraints.txt. | 16:17 |
| zigo | Sometimes, due to distro contraints, that's not possible. | 16:17 |
| zigo | Like, another software isn't compatible yet with the latest version, so we need to keep something not as new. | 16:17 |
| gmann | stephenfin: ok, but i am sure we end up spending same effort maintaining those irrespective of it is n-v | 16:17 |
| gibi | zigo: so if we not provide lc then you have to manually find a working version < uc for the latter case you mentioned | 16:19 |
| lyarwood | as noted in the thread this is with the caveat that previously the LC jobs didn't test what was advertised | 16:20 |
| zigo | gibi: Hopefully, we aren't talking yet about OpenStack reverting declaring sane dependencies, right? | 16:20 |
| gmann | gibi: zigo if we forgot to update requirement.txt for bumping the version which can be case as gate install the latest supported one | 16:20 |
| stephenfin | Can we bring this discussion back to openstack-discuss? | 16:20 |
| stephenfin | Since we can't decide this unilaterally | 16:20 |
| zigo | I mean, we still want to support a *range* of versions for everything ... | 16:20 |
| lyarwood | yup I was about to say | 16:20 |
| zigo | Otherwise, it's just unmanageable. | 16:21 |
| lyarwood | lets see what happens on the thread and we can always make things non-voting in the short term to open the stable gates back up | 16:21 |
| gmann | yeah let's discuss on ML | 16:21 |
| gibi | zigo: I get your point about needing a range. thanks | 16:21 |
| elod | currently in nova we have issue with stein and rocky (train fix will merge soon hopefully), so I also think stephenfin is right, let's move those two maybe as n-v | 16:21 |
| stephenfin | RE: stuff we _can_ do, I don't think we should drop fully until we've agreed to do so | 16:21 |
| zigo | The issue is, if we stop testing, then that range isn't validated. | 16:21 |
| zigo | It's just what we *think* it is, without any assurance of that. | 16:21 |
| lyarwood | it never was | 16:21 |
| lyarwood | that's the issue | 16:21 |
| stephenfin | Also we don't bump constraints on stable so that's not an issue | 16:22 |
| stephenfin | Things are working on master | 16:22 |
| stephenfin | no need to change to n-v there yet | 16:22 |
| lyarwood | kk | 16:22 |
| gibi | OK, let's make broken stable lc jobs nonvoting and continue the discussion on the ML | 16:22 |
| gibi | I hope we can keep the master lc job runnig so that packagers can use it | 16:22 |
| elod | I'll update the patches on stein and rocky if that's ok | 16:23 |
| gibi | elod: OK for me | 16:23 |
| gibi | any other stable related topic for today before we move on? | 16:23 |
| elod | (or maybe separate patches with bandit cap + LC n-v) | 16:24 |
| lyarwood | nope not from me | 16:24 |
| elod | neither from me | 16:24 |
| gibi | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:24 | |
| gibi | Libvirt (bauzas) | 16:24 |
| bauzas | nothing to report, sir. | 16:24 |
| gibi | ack thanks | 16:25 |
| gibi | #topic Open discussion | 16:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 16:25 | |
| gibi | we have one topic on the agenda | 16:25 |
| gibi | (artom/stephenfin/lyarwood) Can https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1880273 be a specless bp? | 16:25 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1880273 in openstack-nova "RFE for OpenStack virtio-scsi multiqueue support in Nova" [Low,New] - Assigned to nova-maint | 16:25 |
| gibi | it is the usual question does it need API change? a new config? how big is the impact? | 16:25 |
| artom | It's like the NIC multiqueue stuff, but for virtio-scsi | 16:25 |
| artom | No API changes (well, image propers and/or flavor extra specs) | 16:26 |
| artom | No new config | 16:26 |
| artom | Pretty self-containted impact | 16:26 |
| lyarwood | assuming we don't also want scheduling support via a compat trait | 16:26 |
| bauzas | maybe an upgrade impact ? | 16:26 |
| lyarwood | right | 16:26 |
| artom | IOW, doesn't affect you if you don't enable that extra spec/image prop | 16:26 |
| lyarwood | we don't support LM between new and old computes right so that should remove the upgrade side of it? | 16:27 |
| artom | We do... | 16:27 |
| dansmith | we don't? | 16:27 |
| lyarwood | Only old to new? | 16:27 |
| artom | Both | 16:27 |
| bauzas | don't we have precedents on extraspec knobs been accepted as specless BPs ? | 16:27 |
| dansmith | upstream we have no such requirement, AFAIK | 16:27 |
| artom | Is there precedent for "compute host supports this new thing"? Traits? | 16:28 |
| lyarwood | hmm I know QEMU/libvirt don't really support that so if they change under us I assumed we wouldn't also support that | 16:28 |
| bauzas | what if I'm a user and request this knob ? | 16:28 |
| bauzas | thru the imag prop | 16:28 |
| lyarwood | ah yeah that's true | 16:28 |
| dansmith | we've previously made all the nova code kosher for both directions and I don't think we should stop | 16:28 |
| lyarwood | artom: yeah loads | 16:28 |
| lyarwood | kk | 16:29 |
| lyarwood | so this isn't specless at this point right? | 16:30 |
| gibi | if there is upgrade impact and scheduling then a small spec would be good | 16:30 |
| gibi | don't have to be long, and I promise I will read it | 16:30 |
| lyarwood | stephenfin was going to write it anyway ;) | 16:30 |
| bauzas | me too | 16:30 |
| * lyarwood runs | 16:30 | |
| gibi | lyarwood: nice :) but then you have to review it :) | 16:30 |
| * artom backs lyarwood on this one | 16:31 | |
| bauzas | and I promise to be impartial :) | 16:31 |
| lyarwood | I will | 16:31 |
| stephenfin | 🙄 | 16:31 |
| artom | stephenfin, your words dude | 16:31 |
| stephenfin | total rat | 16:31 |
| stephenfin | :D | 16:31 |
| artom | Oh yeah, why do you think I like cheese so much | 16:31 |
| * lyarwood picks stephenfin up from under the bus | 16:31 | |
| artom | And betrayal | 16:31 |
| bauzas | stephenfin: well, see specs as docs | 16:31 |
| bauzas | that's actually a good way for ops to know what's new and how this works, until someone smart enough remebers to update the docs site | 16:32 |
| bauzas | :D | 16:32 |
| sean-k-mooney | it will basically be https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/liberty/implemented/libvirt-virtiomq.html but for virtio-scsi | 16:32 |
| bauzas | I've even been told some ops subscribed to the nova-specs RSS feed :) | 16:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | the implications changes and upgrade impacts are the same | 16:33 |
| bauzas | copy/brain/paste seems acceptable to me | 16:33 |
| gibi | me too | 16:33 |
| gibi | any other business for today? | 16:34 |
| stephenfin | one thing | 16:35 |
| gibi | go | 16:35 |
| stephenfin | are we doing runways this cycle? | 16:35 |
| stephenfin | I assume not, as I don't have a etherpad to hand | 16:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | i asked that before the break we have put one or two things in it | 16:35 |
| gibi | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-runways-wallaby | 16:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | but we have not been pushing peopel to use it activly | 16:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | so we can | 16:36 |
| gibi | we have two things in it, no real queue of items | 16:36 |
| * stephenfin pins that | 16:36 | |
| stephenfin | I'll stick some stuff in | 16:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: its in the nova topic fyi | 16:36 |
| gibi | I will add runway as a topic for the agenda | 16:36 |
| gibi | of the meeting | 16:36 |
| stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: whoops /o\ | 16:36 |
| stephenfin | ack, cool | 16:36 |
| bauzas | heh | 16:37 |
| bauzas | I suspect stephenfin coded his own IRC client | 16:37 |
| bauzas | hence him not being able to see the chan title | 16:37 |
| bauzas | no harm | 16:37 |
| gibi | :) | 16:37 |
| bauzas | at least, we're fortunate to not suffer from Slack interruptions | 16:37 |
| gibi | it there anything else? | 16:38 |
| gibi | then thank you all for joining today | 16:39 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 7 16:39:19 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2021/nova.2021-01-07-16.00.html | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2021/nova.2021-01-07-16.00.txt | 16:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2021/nova.2021-01-07-16.00.log.html | 16:39 |
| bauzas | gibi: thanks | 16:39 |
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