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| ttx | #startmeeting large_scale_sig | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 5 15:00:48 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: large_scale_sig)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'large_scale_sig' | 15:00 |
| ttx | #topic Rollcall | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: large_scale_sig)" | 15:00 | |
| ttx | Who is here for the Large Scale SIG meeting ? | 15:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 15:01 |
| mdelavergne | Hi! | 15:01 |
| ttx | amorin: ping | 15:01 |
| amorin | pong! | 15:01 |
| imtiazc | I am | 15:01 |
| amorin | (thanks) | 15:01 |
| ttx | imtiazc: hi! | 15:02 |
| ttx | I don't see Gene around | 15:02 |
| ttx | priteau: in case you want to join us | 15:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today is at: | 15:02 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-meeting | 15:03 |
| priteau | Good afternoon | 15:03 |
| ttx | #topic OpenInfra Live show on May 20 | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenInfra Live show on May 20 (Meeting topic: large_scale_sig)" | 15:03 | |
| ttx | So... in two weeks we'll produce an OpenInfra.Live show | 15:03 |
| ttx | Basically running our traditional video meeting but streaming it on YouTube Live, using Streamyard | 15:03 |
| ttx | The title for the episode is: Upgrades in a Large Scale OpenStack infrastructure | 15:03 |
| ttx | The format we discussed during PTG was to kick it off with a number of 3-5min presentations | 15:03 |
| ttx | detailing how each of the guest speakers do upgrades on their large scale infrastructure, the challenges they run into, etc | 15:04 |
| ttx | and then have an open discussion about those, asking questions to each other and taking questions from the YouTube chat | 15:04 |
| ttx | We currently have belmoreira, amorin, mnaser signed up | 15:04 |
| ttx | I reached out to Blizzard, Verizon and Box, unsuccessfully so far | 15:04 |
| ttx | Also reached out to Stig, who said he could fill a seat but was not sure his deployments had a good story | 15:04 |
| ttx | Anyone here interested in sharing how they do it? | 15:05 |
| ttx | If not, any suggestion who else I should be reaching out to? | 15:05 |
| belmoreira | maybe Bloomberg? Try contacting Chris | 15:06 |
| ttx | +1 will do | 15:06 |
| imtiazc | We sadly don't have a good in-place upgrade story. We brought up a separate deployment then migrated the workload. We did certain things to make the workload migration easy. | 15:06 |
| imtiazc | If anyone is interested, I can talk about that. | 15:06 |
| ttx | sad stories are good too! | 15:07 |
| imtiazc | Sure :) | 15:07 |
| belmoreira | imtiazc that's a good upgrade history! | 15:07 |
| amorin | you know, our story is not amazing neither :) | 15:07 |
| belmoreira | history/story :) | 15:07 |
| ttx | imtiazc: I kinda like it, shows the low-tech approach / story | 15:07 |
| mdelavergne | amorin just don't talk about fire? :( | 15:08 |
| amorin | that's another story unfortunately :( | 15:08 |
| imtiazc | Our choice of SDN provider complicated the process. So may be there are few lessons others can learn | 15:08 |
| ttx | fire while upgrading would have been super extra fun | 15:08 |
| belmoreira | how to upgrade a data centre? | 15:08 |
| belmoreira | :) | 15:08 |
| amorin | from external point of view maybe :) | 15:09 |
| ttx | imtiazc: alright you're in! | 15:09 |
| ttx | I'll try to get a couple more, between those I already reached to and Bloomberg / Stig | 15:09 |
| ttx | 5-6 stories and guests sounds like a good number | 15:10 |
| belmoreira | +1 | 15:10 |
| ttx | So start preparing a few slides to support your story, nothing fancy or long, just a visual aid | 15:10 |
| ttx | Goal being to fit into 5-min, we can get into details with questions | 15:10 |
| imtiazc | Did you say 3-5 mins per presenter? | 15:11 |
| ttx | yeah | 15:11 |
| ttx | like give the overall picture, and then we'll do questions, panel style | 15:11 |
| amorin | ack | 15:11 |
| ttx | Once I see ths lides I may be able to deduce a number of canned questions | 15:11 |
| ttx | slides | 15:11 |
| ttx | which I'll send in advance, but we'll also have live questions from the audience | 15:12 |
| ttx | hopefully enough to fill the hour! | 15:12 |
| ttx | (the goal is to do a full hour of show, so if we run dry I'll need your help in asking new questions | 15:12 |
| amorin | you want us to bring the slides to you in advance? | 15:12 |
| ttx | yes ideally I would combine them all in a single deck | 15:13 |
| amorin | is a google slide ok for you? | 15:13 |
| ttx | sure, Google slides is perfect. Worst case scenario I'll convert everything to PDF if we have a mix of formats | 15:14 |
| ttx | so whatever works for you | 15:14 |
| amorin | ack | 15:14 |
| ttx | More generally, I think it would be good to committing to filling OpenInfra.Live schedule with future episodes of this show | 15:14 |
| ttx | I call it the "Large Scale OpenStack" show, but if you have a better name suggestion, let me know | 15:14 |
| ttx | I talked to the organizers and we can secure the July 1st slot (6 weeks after the May 20 episode). | 15:15 |
| ttx | do y'all think we can make it? | 15:15 |
| belmoreira | sounds good | 15:15 |
| ttx | after that we might do a break over summer as a lot of us are Europeans with vacation plans | 15:15 |
| amorin | that would replace our 2-weeks videos stream, right? | 15:15 |
| ttx | yes the idea is to replace our video meeting with that | 15:16 |
| ttx | and benefit from the high-value production and advertising the IOpenInfra Foundation does around openinfra.live | 15:16 |
| ttx | which should be more apparent in tow weeks (we are just getting started) | 15:17 |
| amorin | perfect | 15:17 |
| ttx | We can also start thinking into the topic for the next one | 15:17 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/large-scale-sig-lightning-talks | 15:17 |
| ttx | Inception was a possibility\ | 15:17 |
| ttx | Or we could do Monitoring | 15:18 |
| ttx | If we do Inception that would be main presentation / discussion, if we do Monitoring that would be more lightning talk style | 15:18 |
| ttx | so maybe we should see first how the first one goes | 15:19 |
| imtiazc | I can talk about what we have for monitoring or general "observability" of our OpenStack platform. How we measure SLA etc. | 15:19 |
| ttx | that would be great. I know Gene wanted to talk about that too | 15:19 |
| ttx | I talked with Stig about doing one around OpenStack-based supercomputers, which is a very specific facet of "large scale" but interesting | 15:20 |
| amorin | we can talk about monitoring also | 15:20 |
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| ttx | ok, let's sleep on it and discuss next week | 15:21 |
| ttx | Anything else on the "Large Scale OpenStack" show topic? | 15:22 |
| ttx | ok moving on | 15:23 |
| ttx | #topic Progress/Blockers | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Progress/Blockers (Meeting topic: large_scale_sig)" | 15:23 | |
| ttx | * Stage 1 - Configure (amorin) | 15:23 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/Configure | 15:23 |
| amorin | nothing new here | 15:23 |
| ttx | Yeah it would be good to make progress on the first questions in there... Like distros and drivers recommended at scale, but i don;t think we have a big enough sample to determine good answers for that | 15:24 |
| ttx | (yet) | 15:24 |
| ttx | * Stage 2 - Monitor (genekuo) | 15:24 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/Monitor | 15:24 |
| ttx | nothing new there as well | 15:25 |
| ttx | * Stage 3 - Scale Up (ttx) | 15:25 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/ScaleUp | 15:25 |
| ttx | We ran out of unasnwered questions in there, so it's probably time to post new ones, if you have ideas | 15:26 |
| ttx | # Stage 4/5 - Scale Out, upgrade & maintain (belmoreira) | 15:26 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/ScaleOut | 15:26 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/UpgradeAndMaintain | 15:26 |
| belmoreira | no news. Let me know if you have ideas/topics to improve it | 15:27 |
| ttx | I hope the show on upgrades will help us to write a few things on stage 5 | 15:27 |
| ttx | like bringing the different perspectives | 15:27 |
| belmoreira | +1 | 15:27 |
| ttx | ok if no particular blockers let's move on | 15:28 |
| ttx | #info Next meeting | 15:28 |
| ttx | Our next meeting will be on IRC again, May 12. | 15:28 |
| ttx | We'll likely discuss last details of the show, like deadline to send slides and final speaker list | 15:28 |
| ttx | I'll emcee and coordinate between speakers | 15:29 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: large_scale_sig)" | 15:29 | |
| ttx | any last-minute question or discussion topic? | 15:30 |
| imtiazc | Anyone here using Calico for neutron network provider? | 15:30 |
| amorin | nop | 15:31 |
| amorin | I remember someone talking about that in our last video meeting | 15:31 |
| amorin | but I dont remember who | 15:31 |
| belmoreira | Bloomberg uses it | 15:31 |
| imtiazc | Oh, thanks! We are going to use it. I also know that Salesforce does. | 15:32 |
| belmoreira | also that's a good point. Does anyone know about Salesforce deployment? | 15:33 |
| belmoreira | I don't recall any public presentation | 15:33 |
| ttx | I could dig in, no idea of the size | 15:33 |
| imtiazc | I have a contact at Salesforce. I can get some details. | 15:33 |
| ttx | imtiazc: ++ | 15:33 |
| ttx | They could be a great addition to the group /shows | 15:33 |
| imtiazc | They are quite big as well. Thousand node deployments in multiple data centers. | 15:34 |
| ttx | ideally we'd rotate speakers enough so that it does not look like a closed club | 15:34 |
| imtiazc | +1 | 15:34 |
| ttx | alright.. anything else? | 15:35 |
| ttx | #action imtiaz to try to recruit Salesforce for the SIG | 15:35 |
| ttx | :) | 15:35 |
| imtiazc | I was reading a report recently which said not many enterprise customers use OpenStack. I think there are but that info is poorly publicized. | 15:35 |
| imtiazc | I'll try :) | 15:36 |
| ttx | I know there are, but the amount we know about is a fraction of them... and then those willing to talk publicly are a fraction of that | 15:36 |
| imtiazc | Exactly. | 15:36 |
| imtiazc | Oh, just though of one other topic: backup and recovery. | 15:36 |
| ttx | Like distribution companies like Red Hat have a lot of customers... But we rarely see them | 15:37 |
| amorin | +1 for backup and recovery | 15:37 |
| ttx | and they are rarely allowed to talk freely about them either | 15:37 |
| ttx | Add it to https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/large-scale-sig-lightning-talks ! | 15:38 |
| ttx | (worst-named etherpad ever) | 15:38 |
| ttx | OK if nothing else we'll close early (I like short meetings) | 15:38 |
| ttx | Reminder exceptionally we;ll do a meeting next week | 15:39 |
| ttx | more for show coordination, so the speakers we have signed up | 15:39 |
| ttx | it's ok if others miss it | 15:39 |
| ttx | I'll send you emails anyway | 15:40 |
| ttx | Have a great week | 15:40 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
| amorin | and ping :) | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 5 15:40:36 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| amorin | thanks | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2021/large_scale_sig.2021-05-05-15.00.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2021/large_scale_sig.2021-05-05-15.00.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_scale_sig/2021/large_scale_sig.2021-05-05-15.00.log.html | 15:40 |
| amorin | see you | 15:40 |
| mdelavergne | thanks, see you! | 15:40 |
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