Wednesday, 2021-06-02

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ttx#startmeeting large_scale_sig15:00
opendevmeetMeeting started Wed Jun  2 15:00:44 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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opendevmeetThe meeting name has been set to 'large_scale_sig'15:00
ttx#topic Rollcall15:00
belmoreirao/15:01
genekuoo/15:01
ttxAlright, who is here on OFTC for the Large Scale SIG meeting ?15:01
rbuddenhello15:01
ttxhello!15:01
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ttxlet me ping amorin real quick15:02
belmoreiraI see him on freenode15:03
ttxhe is here too15:03
ttxbelmoreira: maybe redirect people from freenode if you lurk there?15:03
belmoreirasure15:03
ttxOK let's get started...15:03
ttxOur agenda for today is at:15:03
ttx#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-meeting15:04
ttxping imtiazc15:04
ttx#topic Next OpenInfra Live show15:04
ttxSo... We ran our first OpenInfra Live show a few weeks ago and it was a great success15:04
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ttxMore attendees than usual thanks to the promotion and openinfra branding15:04
ttxThat said we were a bit ambitious in terms of how much content we would fit vs. discussion15:05
imtiazcI'm here15:05
ttxSo we've been discussing doing a part two, to continue the discussion15:05
ttxDoes that sound like a good idea? It would feature the same speakers as a continuation discussion15:05
belmoreirasounds good to me15:06
genekuoI agree with continuing the discussion15:06
genekuoWe don't have much discussion time last time IIRC15:06
imtiazcI think that plan sounds reasonable15:06
ttxI ran a poll to check for availability from same speakers and it appears that everyone is available on june 1015:07
ttxthat slot could be freed for us as the currently-programmed show was cancelled15:07
ttxIt's just 8 days from now but we don;t need to prepare much15:07
ttxthere will be no decks, although we should probably have an etherpad with suggested panel questions15:08
ttxor probably some GDoc15:09
genekuoAgree with collecting the questions in etherpad15:09
ttxhttps://etherpad.opendev.org/p/oil-upgrades-part-deux15:09
belmoreiraThe questions should be open to everyone15:09
belmoreiraand it would be great if it's part of the promotion process15:10
belmoreiraif people write a question, they are already committed to watch15:11
ttxgood idea15:11
ttxMight do a Google survey to avoid surprises though15:11
ttxI'll keep y'all posted15:11
belmoreiraalso, it would be a different way to interact with the viewers (something make sure your questions are answered...) of course we should continue to take live questions during the stream15:12
ttx#agreed OpenInfra Live Upgrades in Large Scale OpenStack deployments, part two to be scheduled June 1015:12
ttxalso will encourage people to watch the previuos show in preparation15:12
ttxso... excellent suggestion15:12
ttx#info should ask for panel questions as part of event promotion15:13
rbuddenI’ll throw a few generic questions/ideas in the Etherpad. Feel free to reword, remove, etc. as necessary.15:14
ttxWe had a slot originally booked for July 1st, do we want to keep taht one and discuss, say, monitoring with a different (probably smaller) set of guest speakers?15:14
ttxor should we push back because it's just too much?15:14
belmoreiraalso, is there a place to make the slides available? we will get this question :) in my opinion the openinfra live webpage should aggregate them per show15:14
ttxbelmoreira: I'll pass on that suggestion. At the very least they should be linked from the YouTube page15:15
ttx#info suggestion: add a place for slides (on openinfra.live or on the YouTube video comments)15:15
mdelavergneYep, in the video comment, besides the names of the speakers sounds like a good idea15:16
mdelavergne(speakers or timestamps)15:16
ttxHow about we push back next show from July 1st to...July 15th15:16
ttxgives us more time to find topic and guest speakers15:17
rbuddeni’d consider not doing the show in 8 days, just to give extra time to poll for questions, content, etc.15:17
rbuddenallow ppl to find and populate the etherpad15:17
ttxrbudden: yeah the trick is that we need to balance program openings vs. not waiting too long between part 1 and 215:18
ttx(and speaker availability)15:18
rbuddentrue15:18
ttxit's short but we can pull it off15:18
ttxwaiting too long also demotivates people15:18
ttxShould start the promotion today/tomorrow though15:18
ttxthey will mention it during tomorrow's show15:19
ttxThoughts on the show after that? Date and topic?15:19
genekuoI remember there is one potential topic about running OpenStack ontop of itself15:20
belmoreira1 or 15th is OK for me. The 15th gives more time to iterate in this topic15:21
ttxImtiaz is not available on the 1st, so let's commit to taking July 1515:21
genekuoI can talk a little about that as we're running our control plane ontop of it15:21
ttxgenekuo: yes, that's one option, belmoreira talking about inception15:21
ttx"sounds scary but it actually works pretty well"15:22
genekuoInception - Run your OpenStack control plane on top of the infrastructure that it manages15:22
genekuoYep15:22
belmoreiraanother interesting topic it would be discuss how the different deployment deal with spare capacity15:22
rbuddeni’ve done that as well, ran one openstack cloud on top of an openstack ironic setup15:22
ttx#info next OILive after June 10 would by July 1515:23
ttx#info Proposed topic: running openstack on top of itself15:23
belmoreiraand have another panel discussion15:23
ttxWe'll try to avoid making the same mistake, and limiting guest speakers to 3-4 instead of 6 :)15:23
ttxgiving priority to those who haven't been on the show of course15:24
ttxI'm also happy to let someone emcee the show more directly, since my added value is limited15:24
ttxso it could end up being "Belmiro and friends" for example15:24
genekuo:)15:25
ttxbut we have time to figure that out15:25
ttxOK anything else on that topic?15:25
belmoreirahow about we continue to use the etherpad to set ideas for the next topic15:25
ttx++15:26
ttx#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/large-scale-sig-lightning-talks15:26
ttxbadly named15:26
belmoreirashows how it started :)15:27
ttxalright, moving on15:27
ttx#topic Progress/Blockers15:27
ttx* Stage 1 - Configure (amorin)15:27
ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/Configure15:27
ttxamorin is not around, but I don;t think there was much progress there15:27
ttx* Stage 2 - Monitor (genekuo)15:27
ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/Monitor15:27
genekuoNot much update on Wiki page15:28
ttxSounds like oslo.messaging changes are ready to go in?15:28
ttx(for oslo.metrics support)15:28
ttxjust needs another oslo.messaging core to chime in15:28
genekuoGot a +2, still waiting for another +2 and +1 workflow15:28
genekuoyep15:28
ttxI'll see with hberaud if he can get someone else to review it15:28
genekuoI also got an email from a user that they are trying to test it15:28
ttxnice!15:29
ttxwould be great to have another angle of feedback on it15:29
ttx* Stage 3 - Scale Up (ttx)15:30
ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/ScaleUp15:30
ttxNothing new here...15:30
ttx# Stage 4/5 - Scale Out, upgrade & maintain (belmoreira)15:30
ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/ScaleOut15:30
ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/UpgradeAndMaintain15:30
belmoreiranothing changed15:30
ttxMaybe after part two we'll have some common insights we can distill into the upgrades Q&a15:31
belmoreira++15:31
ttxI'm fine with the scaling journey taking the backseat as we occupy the internets with a live show on large scale infra powered by openstack, really15:31
ttxIt's a great opportunity for un in 202115:32
ttxus15:32
ttxok, moving on...15:32
ttx#info Next meeting(s)15:32
ttxSo given our previous discussion, I propose...15:32
ttx- June 10: OILive15:33
ttx- June 23: IRC meeting15:33
ttx- July 7: IRC meeting15:33
ttx- July 15: OILive15:33
genekuoLGTM15:33
ttxI'll update the bot so that http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Large_Scale_SIG_Meeting is correct15:33
ttxI like to have a IRC meeting the week before the show rather than two weeks before15:34
belmoreirayes, makes sense15:34
ttxAlright that is all I had on the agenda... was there anything else to discuss?15:34
ttxI'll be following up with Arnaud, Imtiaz, Belmiro, Mohammed, Chris and Joshua for next week show15:35
genekuoI see belmoreira added some topics in open discussion part15:35
ttxmaking sure we collect questions as part of the promotion15:35
ttxhah!15:35
ttxsharp eyes15:35
ttx#topic Open discussion15:36
ttxbelmoreira: fire away15:36
belmoreiraso... the openstack-operators shown some activity this week15:36
belmoreirait would be great to revive this group for operators to have an easy and informal way to communicate and share questions/issues...15:37
ttxcool! we could move this meeting there15:37
ttxagree15:37
genekuoagree15:38
ttxI'll update the bot so that it points there15:38
belmoreirathat was my question... having the meeting there it will support the group and for operators is the common place to hangout15:38
rbuddenagreed. one question i was going to ask was where the large scale sig member lurk/hang out online15:38
ttxand we can have our next IRC meeting on #openstack-operators15:38
ttx#agreed move large scale SIG meeting to #openstack-operators channel15:39
belmoreiracool15:39
ttx#action ttx to update eavesdrop to reflect new time and location for large scale SIG IRC meeting15:39
ttxalright, any other question/topic?15:40
ttxif not, thanks everyone for joining us here on OFTC!15:41
ttx#endmeeting15:41
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genekuoThanks!15:41
rbuddenthanks15:41
belmoreirathank you15:41
mdelavergnethanks!15:41
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