Tuesday, 2014-11-11

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s3wongtacker meeting?15:01
bmelandeHi s3wong15:01
bmelandeYes, I think so15:02
vishwanathjthat;s my expectation that this is tacker meeting15:02
natarajkYes15:02
bmelandeI understood Isaku would be here.15:03
s3wongyes, give yamahata a minute here15:03
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s3wongbmelande: I see yamahata_ active on #tacker15:05
s3wongbmelande: I pinged him there, but no response --- he may be asleep now :-)15:05
s3wongbmelande: should we get started without yamahata_?15:06
hareeshpcHello guys15:06
SridharRamaswamyHi all!15:06
SridarKs3wong: bmelande: i thought he also said in the email that he may not join next few weeks15:06
SridarKHi15:06
s3wongSridarK: he did say during the summit he may miss the next several; but on the email thread he said he would be here today15:07
SridarKs3wong: ok15:07
SridharRamaswamyI propose Bob to take the chair and run it15:07
s3wongbmelande: let's get started15:07
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bmelandes3wong: yes, let's start. I've emailed him too.15:07
SridharRamaswamyor Stephen!15:07
s3wong#startmeeting servicevm_device_manager15:08
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 11 15:08:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is s3wong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:08
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:08
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s3wong#chairs bmelande15:08
s3wong#chair bmelande15:08
openstackCurrent chairs: bmelande s3wong15:08
bmelande My irc skills are so poor. You chair it Stephen. :-)15:08
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s3wongthere he is15:08
s3wong#chair yamahata15:09
openstackCurrent chairs: bmelande s3wong yamahata15:09
yamahatahello15:09
yamahatasorry for delay15:09
s3wongyamahata: I just started the meeting15:09
bmelandeHi yamahata15:09
yamahatas3wong: bmelande hi15:09
s3wongyamahata: but I haven't started the first topic --- do you want to drive?15:09
yamahatas3wong: can you please drive today.15:10
s3wongyamahata: sure15:10
s3wong#topic meeting time15:10
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yamahatatoday I made it. but I'm not sure for several weeks.15:10
yamahataI updated the wiki and meeting page.15:10
s3wongGuys, my understanding is today's meeting is temporary --- so let's quickly finalize on when we are going to meet starting next week15:10
vishwanathjif the current slot is available, I am OK with that15:11
SridharRamaswamyI proposed a slot on Wednesday15:11
SridharRamaswamyalong with Adv Services15:11
s3wongDoes the time we have now (1500 UTC Tuesdays) work for everyone?15:11
SridarKSridharRamaswamy: +1 but Adv services may move to today15:12
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: advanced service meeting is now on 1700 UTC Tuesday15:12
s3wong(2 hours from now)15:12
bmelandeWe should avoid colliding with that15:12
s3wongactually the LBaaS meeting is next (1600 UTC Tuesday)15:12
SridarKs3wong: would same time wed be okay ?15:12
yamahatathe info on the meeting wiki is old for adv service and lbaas?15:12
s3wongSridarK: no problem for me15:12
SridharRamaswamySridarK: I see15:13
s3wongyamahata: the link here is updated: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#LBaaS_meeting15:13
SridharRamaswamy+1 on conflicting with Adv Services & LBaaS15:13
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yamahatas3wong: oh, got it.15:14
SridharRamaswamyis it possible to get something 9 or 9am Pacific ?15:14
SridharRamaswamy9:30am15:14
s3wongyamahata: and advanced service is right below15:14
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: need to get OK with bmelande and hareeshpc15:14
s3wongfor advanced service: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Neutron_Advanced_Services.27_team_meeting15:15
bmelandeFor me 9am pacific should be ok15:15
s3wonghareeshpc: how about you?15:15
vishwanathjare we suggesting 9am pacific on wednesday's?15:16
s3wonghareeshpc: is 1700 UTC OK with you?15:16
hareeshpcs2wong: that is ok with me, its tesday or wedensday?15:16
s3wongvishwanathj: I think so, 9am pacific conflict with advanced service, so that timeslot is out15:16
s3wonghareeshpc: that would be Wednesday15:16
hareeshpcYa, thats ok with me15:17
s3wong(and I am still operating under the assumption that #openstack-meeting-4 is free for all for now :-) )15:17
vishwanathjI am fine with 9AM pacific on wednesdays15:17
s3wongOK --- sold! Meeting time from next week onward would be 1700 UTC Wednesday15:17
vishwanathjI will mark my calendar that this will be on 1700 UTC wednesday on openstack-meeting-415:18
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s3wong#agreed New meeting time starting 19th of Nov will be 1700 UTC Wednesday15:18
s3wongGood, next topic15:18
SridharRamaswamythanks .. this meeting slot helps!15:18
s3wong#topic tacker workflow15:19
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s3wongduring Friday of the Summit, we had a short 1/2 hour talk on tacker workflow15:19
s3wongand since we needed to rush to the positron meetup, we haven't yet reached conclusion15:20
s3wonghonestly, I don't expect us to finalize tacker workflow on the IRC15:20
natarajkI think everyone should review the tacker spec again and add review comments15:20
SridharRamaswamys3wong: yes, we need a clearer demarkation of what belongs to plugin and where the boundary of tacker starts15:20
s3wongnatarajk: agreed15:20
SridharRamaswamys3wong, all: do we have the use cases written down somewhere ?15:21
yamahatanatarajk: +1. I'll update the spec in this week for kilo at least.15:21
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: does it make sense to have a Google Doc where all of us can edit and comment15:21
SridharRamaswamysimilar to NFV subteam we can have a table of use-cases along with when we are shooting to support them (Kilo, L, etc)15:21
s3wongyamahata: a shared Google doc would be a better tool to express comments and opinions (and adding contents among the team) than doing spec comment on gerrit, right?15:22
bmelandeSridarRamaswamy: +115:22
yamahatas3wong: okay, then let's use google-doc.15:22
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: +115:22
hareeshpcGoogle doc: +115:22
SridharRamaswamyI propose lets start with a Wiki table and have Google Doc for detailed design doc15:22
SridarK+1 on google doc with pictures15:22
bmelandes3wong: +115:22
s3wongyamahata: do you want to move the spec content to Google doc and shared with the team?15:22
SridharRamaswamyI can volunteer to put the use-case table in wiki15:23
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: that's also a good suggestion. Let's start with Wiki page table for use cases, then go into Google doc15:23
yamahatas3wong: I'm fine to move/reformat it to googledoc.15:23
bmelandeThere was a google doc but perhaps it makes sense to start a new one and bring in content to that15:23
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: cool, a volunteer!15:23
SridharRamaswamy:)15:23
s3wong#action SridharRamaswamy to start putting together a table of use cases (for Kilo) on Tacker Wiki page15:24
s3wong#action yamahata to move current Tacker spec to a Google doc and share with team15:24
bmelandeI think we should also update the tacker wiki to clearly specify what tacker/service VM aims for15:25
s3wongGuys, we can also have some discussions on your train of thoughts with bmelande 's email thread15:25
SridharRamaswamybmelande: +115:26
s3wongbmelande put it a lot of discussion topic (starting points) in that email, it would be great to get some discussions started there also15:26
yamahata+1 for clarify the scope/goal15:26
SridharRamaswamyIMO Tacker wiki is not for us (we all know what it is and what we going to do).. it primarily for folks outside this project to get to know and get interested and support us15:27
s3wongany volunteer for updating the charter/mission/goal/scope on Wiki?15:27
bmelandes3wong: I can take a first stab at it.15:27
yamahataSridharRamaswamy: Are you claiming for splitting user page and developer page? If yes, +1.15:27
s3wong#action bmelande to update Tacker Wiki with Tacker project goal/charter/mission15:28
SridharRamaswamyyamahata: not nescessarily, but we can organize that way if it will help15:28
s3wongyamahata: is that common for a project this new? I don't think we have finalized user operation flow/documentation yet...15:29
bmelandeMy thinking was that at least it'd be good to add those bullets we had on the whiteboard in Paris on the wiki15:29
SridharRamaswamybmelande: +115:30
natarajk+115:30
yamahatas3wong: Right, it isn't finialized. I had tried with spec, but it's not.15:30
SridharRamaswamyyamahata: let Bob & me take on the initial wiki updates and see how it comes15:30
s3wongyamahata, SridharRamaswamy: besides, our users are either (1) tenants importing their services in OpenStack, or (2) the advanced services15:30
yamahataSridharRamaswamy: Sure. We will see the outcome.15:31
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s3wong#action SridharRamaswamy and bmelande to update Wiki to reflect on the items outlined during K-Summit meeting15:32
yamahatas3wong: do you mean Neutron adv svc by (2)?15:32
s3wongyamahata: yes15:32
s3wongso I think we have a good number of action items handed out for this meeting15:33
SridharRamaswamyAs discussed in the summit we should plan for a webex / conf call within next few weeks to discuss the design document15:33
SridharRamaswamyperhaps in next couple of weeks15:33
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yamahataFor my memo, yamahata upload LT slide15:34
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: yes --- after we have couple iterations of the Google doc15:34
SridharRamaswamys3wong: sounds good15:34
SridharRamaswamyi know we are out of time...15:34
hareeshpcOne question i had: is tacker dependent on any particular feature in neutron?15:35
SridharRamaswamywe need folks from HP and Oracle to join this meeting15:35
hareeshpcsay like the anti spoofing patch?15:35
hareeshpcI think it would be good to list tacker's wish list from neutron/nova if there is any?15:35
natarajkhareeshpc: yes, i believe VLAN trunking is also needed15:36
yamahatahareeshpc: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ServiceVM/neutron-port-attributes is the list15:36
s3wonghareeshpc: +1 ... though we are providing APIs to Positron services, so we have to ensure we have NO dependency on Positron15:36
hareeshpcSo we should have a list in wiki for capturing the status of these15:36
SridharRamaswamys3wong: +115:36
s3wonghareeshpc: Neutron should be OK --- as Positron will also have dependency on Neutron15:36
s3wonghareeshpc: you want to take a stab at putting together a table on tacker wiki page? :-)15:37
hareeshpcyamahata: thanks15:37
hareeshpcs3wong: :) ok! I have do it15:37
yamahatahareeshpc: maybe the page needs update though. The current wiki is badly organized.15:37
s3wongyamahata: yes, that is a wish-list mostly coming from NFV team and we took them :-)15:37
yamahataso it may be difficult to find the info.15:38
hareeshpcs3wong: I can take a first stab at the wish list15:38
s3wong#action hareeshpc to update Tacker Nova/Neutron wish list table on Wiki15:38
s3wongMany good action items for next week for the team15:39
yamahatayamahata will update the current status I'm involved with.15:39
s3wong#topic Open Discussions15:39
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s3wonganything else the team wants to bring up?15:39
yamahataportsecurity, l2-gateway at least15:39
s3wongyamahata: cool15:40
yamahatahareeshpc: can you please let me know when you finished? then I'll update them.15:40
s3wongyamahata: my understanding is there is no consensus reached on VLAN trunk port during the K-Summit15:40
yamahatas3wong: It's contrary to my understanding.15:40
SridharRamaswamyall wiki-updates need to co-ordinate .. pls give a shout out when u r starting / ending the wiki updates15:40
s3wongyamahata: and there are at least two or three proposals on L2 GW15:41
natarajks3wong: i thought Eric's proposal might make it15:41
yamahataMy understanding is that each three proposal will go independently as Ian organized.15:41
yamahataFor l2-gateway, I talked with HP guys. I'm willing to let them work on it.15:41
s3wongyamahata, natarajk: Oh, OK... good --- I only listened on ijw's talk, and everyone in the audiences seemed a bit lost15:41
hareeshpcyamahata: ok15:41
yamahataI'll review L2 gateway spec and patch.15:41
SridharRamaswamys3wong: yeah, i was not sure if any consensus was reached either15:42
s3wongyamahata: yikes, three proposals going independently is a recipe for -2s during SAD :-)15:42
SridharRamaswamyperhaps Bob can check w/ Ian on the current status ?15:43
yamahatas3wong: Sure. Ian claimed they are different. Not sure how coredev felt like.15:43
bmelandeAbout next coming ircs, I think we should announce meegting time on dev list and from now have email discussions there15:43
SridharRamaswamybmelande: +115:44
yamahatabmelande: +115:44
hareeshpcbmelande: +115:44
s3wongbmelande: +1 --- now we have good number of active contributer15:44
yamahataI'm willing to announce. or s3wong will?15:44
bmelandeSridharR: I'll take to Ian15:44
s3wongcontributors, and perhaps outside interests --- we should do things more in the open15:44
bmelandes/take/talk15:44
SridharRamaswamywe agree to use [Neutron][ServiceVM] as Isaku proposed15:44
SridharRamaswamybmelande: thanks!15:44
s3wongyamahata: do you want to, and should I?15:44
yamahatas3wong: okay will do.15:45
s3wong#action yamahata to announce new meeting time on ML15:45
s3wonganything else to discuss for the team?15:46
s3wongThanks, everyone!15:47
yamahatathanks.15:47
hareeshpcBye!15:47
SridharRamaswamyBye all!15:47
s3wongTalk to you guys next week! Bye!15:47
vishwanathjbye15:47
s3wong#endmeeting15:47
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dougwig#startmeeting neutron lbaas16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 11 16:00:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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dougwig#topic roll call16:00
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dougwigo/16:00
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dougwigtoday's agenda:16:00
dougwig#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/LBaaS#Meeting_11.11.201416:00
ajmillero/16:00
dougwigwe'll give folks two minutes to find their way to the new channel.16:00
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dougwig#topic Announcements16:02
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johnsomLooks like the HP folks like the new time....16:02
dougwigwelcome to the new meeting time.  i don't expect good attendance today, so we won't make any decisions.16:02
dougwiglbaas v2 reviews16:02
dougwig#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas_reviews16:02
dougwighere's the one to focus on this week:16:03
dougwig#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123485/16:03
dougwig#topic Advanced services split16:03
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sballeo/16:04
dougwigthis was a kilo summit session, during which there was consensus to start the process of splitting advanced services, including lbaas, out of neutron, and directly into an openstack project under the networking umbrella.  ptl will remain mestery, and mark is shepherding things through the technical committee.  there are no more details than that as of yet.16:04
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dougwigany serious questions/comments should wait for the next neutron meeting, when this topic will first official come up, but if anyone has any summit questions, fire away.16:05
dougwig /official/officially/16:06
johnsomI mostly just interested in timeline and who/if we get some core reviewers...16:06
sballedougwig: Can you remind me when the neutron meeting is?16:06
dougwigsballe: it rotates: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings16:07
dougwignext week is the tuesday slot.16:07
sballeok thx16:07
s3wongsballe: the next one is in fact Tuesday also, two hours before this (1400 UTC?)16:07
vjay-netscalerdid we decide on what  name to start with - positron or neutron-advanced-services?16:08
vjay-netscaleror something else?16:08
dougwigjohnsom: timeline is that the TC must approve, then infra must split.  for the TC to approve, it has to get on their meeting agenda and be voted on.  looking at something measured in weeks there.16:08
dougwigthe name in the etherpad is positron.  haven't heard anything from mestery on that yet.16:08
dougwigany other questions?16:09
vjay-netscalerguess we can move on16:10
dougwigok, moving on16:10
dougwig#topic Driver changes16:10
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dougwigI don't see blogan, so we'll likely postpone these items until next week, but all got some discussion at the summit:16:11
dougwigDrivers, splitting status into operational and provisioning, and getting rid of DEFERRED16:11
dougwigDrivers, potential taskflow model, all async16:11
dougwigv2 Object Model - Potentially simplifying the object relations or making the objects purely logical constructs16:11
dougwigdoes everyone here know what those topics are about, or do you want a quick summary of any of them?16:12
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dougwigok, moving on16:13
dougwig#topic Open discussion16:13
kobishi, just joined the lbaas effort. so i'd appreciate a quick summary16:13
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dougwighi kobis!16:13
kobishi!16:14
dougwigfor the first, if you look in the current lbaas v2 reviews, you'll see the driver doing a lot of work to maintain ACTIVE or DEFERRED status for each lbaas object.  we're talking about doing away with the drivers needing to worry about that.16:14
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dougwigfor the second, oslo has a taskflow library with event callbacks, and we're considering making all driver interfaces asynchronous, and use that task flow interface.16:15
dougwigfor the third, well, let's save that one for next week, or find me offline.16:15
dougwig#topic Open discussion16:15
kobisok, thanks16:15
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dougwiganyone have anything that want to discuss with this drastically smaller than normal group?  :)16:16
dougwigkobis, where are you from, what are you interested in working on?16:16
kobisjoined vmware a few weeks ago16:16
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IZebraHello16:17
dougwighiya IZebra16:17
dougwigmost are still traveling/recovering from the summit, so unless anyone has anything else, we'll end today's meeting.16:18
sballeok have a great day16:18
kobisok, take care16:18
vjay-netscalerdougwig, should the drivers be resubmitted to lbaasv2 branch?16:18
IZebraThis is my first time to participate one openstack meeting.16:19
dougwigvjay-netscaler: i, personally, am going to hold off until post-split.  if you want to start getting feedback now, by all means feel free.16:19
dougwigIZebra: welcome, and it's going to be a short one.  :)16:20
IZebraI want to know the future of lbaas. I mean is the service-based  method or the hardware-base will be the technology trend16:20
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johnsomIZebra, there are folks from hardware companies and software based solutions that contribute here.16:23
dougwigthat's a pretty broad question.  i, personally, think there will be a place for both.  i'd recommend asking that in #openstack-lbaas, probably during your very early morning, as most of the lbaas folks are not morning people (that should be their afternoon.)16:23
johnsomWe try to support both through a driver based system16:23
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IZebraSo is  the namespaces-based  also good?16:25
dougwigthis meeting is meant to be focused on development activities.  can we move these questions to the #openstack-lbaas channel?  i'll switch over as soon as the meeting is ended.16:26
kobisdougwig:16:26
IZebraOK16:26
kobisis this meeting closed yet?16:26
IZebraI got it16:27
dougwigjust about to be, unless we have any final questions.16:27
dougwig#endmeeting16:27
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dougwigbye all16:27
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IZebraBye16:27
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glebo'lo m8's17:01
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glebolooks like we have a strong attendance. That's great!17:01
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dougwigi think the adv.services meeting was cancelled this week.17:02
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vishwanathjHow do we confirm if its cancelled?17:04
glebohmmm… I thought I saw something from Sumit saying we were going to work on the items not immediately related to split logistics17:05
pc_mmark sent a reply to Sumit's email saying we should cancel.17:05
gleboSumitNaiksatam:  u appear online. r we mtg?17:05
gleboagree that we shouldn't take any final and completed decisions today, given possible under-attendance,17:06
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glebobut certainly there is much that good meaning folk can accomplish17:06
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sballeo/17:09
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glebociao17:18
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