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| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: o/ | 15:00 |
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| curtis_penner | o/ | 15:01 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | Hi curtis_penner | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | \o | 15:02 |
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| curtis_penner | Hi | 15:02 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 8 15:02:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| kragniz | o/ | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Updates | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:02 | |
| zhiyan | Happy new years guys | 15:02 |
| kragniz | zhiyan: happy new year! | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | happy new year everyone | 15:02 |
| zhiyan | (even i do lunar one) | 15:03 |
| nikhil_k | #info Mini summit head count - expected ~15 or less | 15:03 |
| nikhil_k | Oh yes , happy new year :) | 15:03 |
| zhiyan | :) | 15:03 |
| nikhil_k | Please enter details soon for the same | 15:03 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
| nikhil_k | oops | 15:04 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-mid-cycle-meetup | 15:04 |
| nikhil_k | #link http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2015-01/msg00098.html | 15:04 |
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| nikhil_k | Whatever I had to say about it is in Participation and Sessions section of the meeting agenda etherpad | 15:05 |
| * sigmavirus24 is disappointed that he won't be making the mid-cycle | 15:05 | |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: that makes it 2 of us | 15:05 |
| nikhil_k | Please let me know if anyone has any concerns | 15:06 |
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| nikhil_k | Given the limited amount of expected participation, it feels okay for us to keep a couple of hours of open discussion on both days | 15:06 |
| nikhil_k | Most likely the schedule can be set mid-late next week. | 15:07 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: do we need to try remote way? i probably can help test it | 15:07 |
| nikhil_k | Remote participation is still being figured out | 15:07 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil_k: +2 for having the schedule ready next week | 15:07 |
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| nikhil_k | zhiyan: yeah, the event manager is trying to figure it out | 15:08 |
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| zhiyan | nikhil_k: happy to know it | 15:08 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: about your topic, it might take a just bit more time to co-ordinate with Nova | 15:08 |
| nikhil_k | Hope to keep it on Tuesdays tentatively | 15:08 |
| nikhil_k | s/Tuesdays/Tuesday/ | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: +2 | 15:09 |
| nikhil_k | Does anyone have anything more to add? | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | I won't be able to attend so anything I can do from here, I'll do. | 15:09 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: ok, sounds good. Thanks! | 15:09 |
| nikhil_k | next up | 15:10 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Stuff to be corrected. | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuff to be corrected. (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:10 | |
| nikhil_k | I've mentioned to a few folks on our project channel to be more vigilant about the reviews | 15:11 |
| nikhil_k | seems like we've a lot more code being proposed from new contributors to Glance | 15:11 |
| nikhil_k | to add to that we have made some mistakes ourselves | 15:11 |
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| nikhil_k | Commit messages, improper splitting of the Merge Props, security bugs - these are some of the categories which have been very error prone lately | 15:12 |
| nikhil_k | I believe this needs to be corrected and | 15:13 |
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| nikhil_k | the first responsibility is mine, so here are some of the action items from my end | 15:13 |
| nikhil_k | 1. scrutinize the reviews, provide feedback to the reviewers | 15:13 |
| nikhil_k | 2. get a Glance specific review guideline list | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | besides | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#peer-review | 15:14 |
| TravT_ | what is improper splitting of the merge props? | 15:14 |
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| nikhil_k | 3. scrutinize bug descriptions and tally them with the reviews and sync with core and non-cores about the same (enhanced best practices) | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | FWIW, I think the best way to help people improve their reviews is by commenting on the same patch and pointing out things that are missing in the patch | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | for example, if I see a commit message that is not proper, I'd ask the author to provide a better error message | 15:15 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: That is an ideal case, it has not been happening lately. | 15:15 |
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| nikhil_k | Moreover, cores are proposing and +2/Aing such changes | 15:16 |
| nikhil_k | which is what calls for added measure | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | right, I'm pretty sure I've done it too. | 15:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | On other projects there has typically been resistance to asking people to improve commit messages beyond adding DocImpact (or some other flag), I wasn't sure if it was acceptable here too | 15:16 |
| nikhil_k | I am compiling a list of such errors and common gotchas | 15:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: perhaps examples would be helpful to some people as well, if you're okay with that | 15:17 |
| nikhil_k | Will be sharing it with a few active devs first and then have it circulated widely | 15:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | +1 | 15:17 |
| kragniz | It's also very easy to amend the commit message via gerrit for trivial changes | 15:17 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: TravT_ ^ | 15:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: agreed | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | I think asking for better commit message is fine and must be done | 15:17 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: glad that you brought it up | 15:17 |
| nikhil_k | If it's easy, why are reviewers not using it | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | it's not a matter of fixing typos but providing a message good enough to help people understand what's happening in the patch | 15:18 |
| nikhil_k | The problem does not seem to be with ease, rather with missed review guidelines | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: if you amend the commit message you'll be set as committer | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: agreed | 15:18 |
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| nikhil_k | flaper87: that too, however in a must do situation reviewers can do it | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | yup | 15:19 |
| nikhil_k | Also, this devaluates the importance of +1s | 15:19 |
| nikhil_k | Right now, I'm not so confident to even +2/A a patch which has as many as 2-3 +1s | 15:20 |
| nikhil_k | Ideally, the to-be cores should study the patch and bring out fallacies in fewer PS | 15:21 |
| nikhil_k | that way it gives core reviewers to move the queue quicker | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | As bad as it sounds, I don't normally trust +1's as I trust -1's | 15:21 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: agreed, however | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | "don't normally" to be read as "almost never" | 15:21 |
| nikhil_k | many times there are arguments that a patch has 5 +1s and does not have a +2 | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | think, the reasons are stated above | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | The review guidelines doc was being prepared however, it got delayed with k1 in the middle | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | yup, if the patch is trivial, I'd probably feel confident to +2/A, otherwise I'd just +2 | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | Best to catch up with it son | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | soon* | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: agreed | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | ping ? | 15:26 |
| kragniz | move on? | 15:26 |
| nikhil_k | Are there any questions on this topic and on the specs details mentioned in the etherpad? | 15:26 |
| nikhil_k | ok, next topic | 15:27 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: all sounds good to be worked on in the future | 15:27 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Shout outs | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Shout outs (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:27 | |
| nikhil_k | #info jokke_ did some excellent work on stability, especially when the gate was broken | 15:28 |
| nikhil_k | #info kragniz has been extremely vigilant on various aspects and had pointed out that we missed an important commit in k1 | 15:28 |
| * flaper87 now knows why kragniz wanted to move on | 15:28 | |
| kragniz | \o/ thanks! | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | jokes apart: | 15:29 |
| kragniz | flaper87: haha | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | kragniz: jokke_ great work | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | thanks for all the efforst there | 15:29 |
| kragniz | :) | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | efforts* | 15:29 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_ kragniz and sigmavirus24 : Have been excellent with bug triage, releases, etc. | 15:29 |
| zhiyan | thank you joke kragniz | 15:29 |
| nikhil_k | Kudos to these folks for taking up the often neglected yet important part of the project! | 15:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | but it's fun stuff ;) | 15:30 |
| TravT_ | great work! | 15:30 |
| nikhil_k | Anyone else that you all noticed? | 15:30 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: and flaper87 ? :) | 15:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | cpallares has been catching some excellent things on review too | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: :) | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: right, cpallares has been doing an awesome work | 15:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | (Shame she isn't here at the moment) | 15:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | #info cpallares has been catching some excellent things on review too (and flaper87 agrees ;)) | 15:32 |
| nikhil_k | woot! | 15:32 |
| kragniz | ivasilevskaya, too | 15:33 |
| nikhil_k | Awesome | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | ok, ok, ok ok, Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii geeeet it, glance's community is super amazing! | 15:33 |
| nikhil_k | #info cpallares and ivasilevskaya - thanks for your efforts and good work! | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | congrats everyone for your hard work | 15:33 |
| zhiyan | :)) | 15:33 |
| nikhil_k | lol, flaper87 | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:34 |
| nikhil_k | but yeah, something like that | 15:34 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Reviews/Bugs/Releases | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews/Bugs/Releases (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:34 | |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: better than rust? =P | 15:34 |
| nikhil_k | Follow up from previous discussion, please make a note to tag, link and mark the bug/review appropriately for expecting it to be in a release | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: no | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | erm, I mean, yes | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | lol | 15:35 |
| nikhil_k | I believe, our current way of handling releases has been working well | 15:35 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: this is marking it in launchpad, right? | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | To avoid missing important commits in major releases like k2 - please be extra careful. | 15:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: one clarification: should we mark a bug as k-2 if we think it *should* be in there or if we think it will be able to make it in there? (or both?) | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: yes | 15:36 |
| kragniz | cool | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: the bug supervisor can mark it k2 as long as we are confident | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | would like to avoid clutter in the release page | 15:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | Understood. :) | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | release management wont be much happy | 15:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks for clarifying | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Stable branch for glance_store | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch for glance_store (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:37 | |
| nikhil_k | Any takers? | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | it's funny... the most mentally unstable dude in this group takes care of stable branches | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | that'd be me :P | 15:38 |
| nikhil_k | lol | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | I'm already in the global stable team | 15:39 |
| rprakash_ | #info talking about telcowg in next summit, that will be too late for getting featutres into l1 as now its k2/k3 at most for now | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | if some glance-core wants to take care of our glance/glance_Store stable branches | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | it'd be great | 15:39 |
| kragniz | flaper87: maybe you need to be a little unhinged to take them on :P | 15:39 |
| zhiyan | flaper87: o/ | 15:39 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: we are supposed to have a stable team for Glance | 15:40 |
| rprakash_ | Rather join weekly telcowg at Openstack and get our OPNFV requirements early in k2..cycles | 15:40 |
| nikhil_k | rprakash_: wrong channel? | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | lemme rephrase that, it'd be good to have one more guy besides me looking after stable branches | 15:40 |
| rprakash_ | sorry folks | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: right, I knew I had to rephrase that phrase :P | 15:40 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: The overall Glance stable team would be a good choice, imho | 15:41 |
| * flaper87 agrees | 15:41 | |
| flaper87 | I'm happy to be part of it | 15:41 |
| nikhil_k | That can include repr from each of the store drivers | 15:41 |
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| * nikhil_k suggests that approach to be able to tackle security/stability isssues faster | 15:42 | |
| * nikhil_k hands are so cold to type correctly :P | 15:42 | |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: you're in VA. It's -25F with the windchill where I am | 15:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | (Approx -32C) | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | dearness | 15:43 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: yum | 15:44 |
| * flaper87 is living the weirdest winter ever... it's like 5C outside | 15:44 | |
| zhiyan | my place approx -20c | 15:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | zhiyan: ^5 | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | o.0 | 15:44 |
| zhiyan | outside i mean | 15:44 |
| zhiyan | ok, next one? | 15:45 |
| kragniz | 9C here! | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: LOL, yeah, I figured :P | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | lol zhiyan | 15:45 |
| curtis_penner | 7C here | 15:45 |
| zhiyan | it's mine | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | ok, next | 15:45 |
| lakshmiS | Take 77 here | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | who else? who else? | 15:45 |
| kragniz | (outside) | 15:45 |
| zhiyan | :) | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Cancellable store.add operation | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cancellable store.add operation (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:45 | |
| flaper87 | aaaaaaaah :( | 15:45 |
| kragniz | not #topic weather? :P | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: ? | 15:45 |
| zhiyan | yes. cool. when i fix the bug, i think we'd better do a enhancment for glance. | 15:46 |
| zhiyan | currently, glance allow use deletes image which under uploading stage - 'saving' status. | 15:47 |
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| nikhil_k | Hmm, that would be tricky to do | 15:47 |
| zhiyan | so use could use image-delete to cancel the uploading, or just remove a 'bad' image (think about nova capturing image get wrong/failure) | 15:48 |
| zhiyan | currently we already support it | 15:48 |
| zhiyan | but a issue exist in glance, if you interest pls check/review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144464/ | 15:48 |
| zhiyan | the point it that, even we support that, it has some delay | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: the tricky part is for the uploader thread to check the status in intervals during the upload | 15:50 |
| nikhil_k | it can be bad on the DB | 15:50 |
| zhiyan | even image-delete image metatdata get delete from db and the request return to end user immediately, but actually the previrus uploading is still executing. | 15:51 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: The situation does not look good however, the alternatives are not great either. Do you have a proposal in mind? | 15:52 |
| zhiyan | due to currently glance can only get stored image location when store.add() return, so concurrent glance-delete couldn't remove any on-going chunks | 15:52 |
| zhiyan | yes | 15:52 |
| zhiyan | so i think we need to way to break store.add() | 15:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | Is there a spec for this? | 15:53 |
| zhiyan | that means when an image get delete, we need ask store to cancel on-going uploading operation. then the uploading 'thread' will notice it (by an exception glance_store raised out) | 15:53 |
| * nikhil_k likes where sigmavirus24 is going | 15:53 | |
| zhiyan | sigmavirus24: not yet, in my mind now. | 15:54 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: that's not a big deal, will/i'd like prepare | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | sg | 15:54 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: actually i think this could be a part of store-capabilities (as a follow-up new cap) | 15:55 |
| zhiyan | if store support this cap, then we can cancel the on-going upload safely, then finally, that means | 15:55 |
| zhiyan | end user could 'cancel' a uploading image quickly. | 15:55 |
| zhiyan | and the quota will never exceeded | 15:55 |
| nikhil_k | might be worth an investigation | 15:56 |
| * nikhil_k likes the spec idea | 15:56 | |
| zhiyan | i mentioned some details of my thoughts in the last sentence of my comment at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144464/ as well. | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: can we give some time for open discussion? | 15:56 |
| zhiyan | sure | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: Thanks for the detailed analysis. Much appreciated! | 15:57 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:57 | |
| zhiyan | hmm ok. | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | just a heads up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144875/ | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | that baby is out there | 15:58 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: so i'd like to add that stuff as a topic for mid-cycle meeting, sounds good? | 15:58 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: woah! nice ;) | 15:58 |
| flaper87 | Figting with gate failures right now but I think I'll get it done soon | 15:58 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: yeah, def | 15:58 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: will you be attending? | 15:58 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: remote | 15:59 |
| kragniz | flaper87: it's looking nice! | 15:59 |
| zhiyan | (always remote, Hmm) | 15:59 |
| TravT_ | how many people will actually be in person? | 15:59 |
| nikhil_k | 10-15 prolly | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| kragniz | thanks nikhil_k! | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 8 16:00:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-01-08-15.02.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-01-08-15.02.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-01-08-15.02.log.html | 16:00 |
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