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| pc_m | hi | 15:01 |
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| matrohon | hi | 15:02 |
| pc_m | matrohon: hi | 15:02 |
| pc_m | giving a few mins for people to hop on | 15:02 |
| vikram | hi | 15:02 |
| pc_m | vikram: hi | 15:03 |
| nfedotov1 | Hello All! | 15:03 |
| pc_m | nfedotov1: hi! | 15:03 |
| pc_m | OK, let's start... | 15:03 |
| pc_m | #startmeeting vpnaas | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 17 15:04:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pc_m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vpnaas' | 15:04 |
| pc_m | #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
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| pc_m | Functional gate is non-voting. Will defer making it voting, as some changes may be needed (will disuss) | 15:05 |
| pc_m | StrongSwan functional/scenario tests will need a separate job due to setup needs are different. | 15:06 |
| pc_m | If you have functional tests, please put them out for review and check functional test results from Jenkins. | 15:06 |
| pc_m | Please help out on reviews | 15:07 |
| pc_m | Anyone have any other new announcements? | 15:07 |
| pc_m | #topic Functional Testing | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Functional Testing (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 15:07 | |
| pc_m | As mentioned, check dsvm-neutron-vpnaas-functional test results on your reviews | 15:08 |
| pc_m | For StrongSwan, we're seeing that we need to have it installed (for Ubuntu 14.04) and AppArmor disabled. | 15:09 |
| pc_m | As a result a new job will be needed to test this. | 15:09 |
| pc_m | Must figure out the best way to organize the directory structure to support OpenSwan vs StrongSwan testing. | 15:10 |
| pc_m | I posted an email on the ML this morning asking for feedback from QA team on this an many other items. | 15:10 |
| pc_m | My thoughts are that maybe it may be best to have a sub-dir called strongswan and use filters to only run tests in that area, when the new job runs. | 15:11 |
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| pc_m | We do need to develop functional tests for both OpenSwan and StrongSwan. | 15:11 |
| pc_m | If you have time to help out, please chime in. | 15:12 |
| pc_m | You can provide review comments on Zhang's functional tests for StrongSwan under https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144391/ | 15:13 |
| pc_m | Any questions/comments on Functional testing? | 15:13 |
| nfedotov1 | Sorry for interupting you. Are there any difference between OpenSwan and StrongSwan from API point of view? | 15:13 |
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| pc_m | nfedotov1: Sure, np at all... no the API is the same. | 15:13 |
| nfedotov1 | In my understanding OpenSwan and StrongSwan is a two diferrent implementations of a singel API. | 15:14 |
| pc_m | StrongSwan has more capabilities, and I think, for some things, like encryption protocols, the client API accepts strings, so can handle both. | 15:14 |
| pc_m | nfedotov1: From a OpenStack standpoint yes. | 15:14 |
| pc_m | Any other Qs on the functional tests? | 15:15 |
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| nfedotov1 | And I expect functional tests have (or maybe should have) same Design Principles as tempest. I mean "Tests in Tempest should only touch public interfaces, API calls" | 15:16 |
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| pc_m | There's a lot of confusion (on my part at least) between the tempest tests (which I understand tempest is a tool and repo), and functional tests (which we're placing in our repo, and which use devstack, but not the tempest libraries). | 15:18 |
| pc_m | Please see the email I sent, on openstack-dev mailing list and chime in on that topic. There I expressed what I think are our goals, namely... | 15:19 |
| nfedotov1 | Ahh. OK. Thanks for reply. I will take a look | 15:20 |
| pc_m | To have functional test coverage of the device driver implementations (we have limited coverage), and to have a end to end scenario test to check operation. | 15:20 |
| nfedotov1 | Yes there are a lot confusions around functional tests | 15:20 |
| pc_m | nfedotov1: There is a bunch of issues around the scenario tests (also discussed in that email). Let's talk about that for a bit... | 15:21 |
| pc_m | #topic Scenario Testing | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Scenario Testing (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 15:21 | |
| pc_m | So here are the issues here... | 15:21 |
| pc_m | 1) We'll need different jobs, as StrongSwan needs a different setup that OpenSwan. | 15:22 |
| pc_m | 2) Right now we have two (slightly different) scenario tests created and out for review, under Tempest repo. We need to decide which to go forward with. | 15:23 |
| nfedotov1 | Do you mean jobs in check gate? | 15:23 |
| pc_m | 3) They are not allowing *aaS tests to be added to Tempest, because that is migrating to Neutron in tree and a tempest lib is being setup. | 15:24 |
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| pc_m | nfedotov1: We'll need to have two separate jobs that run in check/gate pipelines, one that sets up for OpenSwan, and a separate job for StrongSwan. | 15:25 |
| pc_m | Can't run them both under same job, because they both cannot be installed in a system at the same time, and because StrongSwan needs to have apparmor disabled. | 15:25 |
| pc_m | So #1 is sort of mechanical. I guess a pre_test_hook will be needed to setup the environment right. | 15:27 |
| pc_m | For #2, we, as a team, need to decide on which of the two implementations should be used. We have... | 15:27 |
| pc_m | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140072/8 | 15:28 |
| pc_m | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153292/5 | 15:28 |
| pc_m | Both authors are fine with either proceeding. Zhang is on vacation for 10 days. | 15:28 |
| nfedotov1 | Yes there should be some script that configures test environment. Is it possible to use Devstack for it? | 15:28 |
| pc_m | nfedotov1: My undertstanding (from talking to people) is that the pre_test_hook should set that up. | 15:29 |
| pc_m | However, issue #3 is the big one. | 15:29 |
| matrohon | I don't understand what is the fundamental difference between those two scenario tests? | 15:30 |
| matrohon | they cant be merged? | 15:30 |
| pc_m | matrohon: Not much, two independent implementations of the same test. One does pings and one does ssh to check connection. | 15:30 |
| pc_m | The one with pings checks before and after. | 15:31 |
| pc_m | Nikolay is willing to proceed forward with his version, and Zhang was cool with that as well. | 15:31 |
| pc_m | Is that OK with folks? | 15:31 |
| matrohon | zhang's patch also seems to ping | 15:32 |
| matrohon | ok, the most important here is to have a first test available | 15:32 |
| pc_m | matrohon: I think Zhang's pings, and Nikolay's ssh'es | 15:32 |
| matrohon | pc_m : ha ok! | 15:33 |
| pc_m | If I scanned them right. Not sure that much about the tests. | 15:33 |
| nfedotov1 | There is a basic use case for vpnaas. Here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/VPNaaS/HowToInstall , section "IPSec Site-to-site Connection Creation" | 15:33 |
| nfedotov1 | I think both patchsets do this scenario. At least my patchset follows steps described there. | 15:33 |
| pc_m | With Zhang's it is obvious what the subnet's IPs are in the test. | 15:33 |
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| pc_m | nfedotov1: Does yours use a single node and two routers/nets/subnets (hard to tell what the tempest calls all do) | 15:34 |
| pc_m | ? | 15:34 |
| nfedotov1 | It uses two instaces. Each one is connected to dedicated private network + dedicated router | 15:35 |
| pc_m | Do we know if Zhang's also does that? I thought it used one devstack instance... | 15:36 |
| nfedotov1 | so there are two sides: instance -> private network (subnet) -> router (router IP) | 15:36 |
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| pc_m | nfedotov1: Just to clarify, by instance, do you mean that there are two devstack nodes started up, or is this one devstack node, with two routers and two private nets? | 15:37 |
| pc_m | (and two VM instances on that single devstack) | 15:38 |
| nfedotov1 | Yes. There is one devstack node (all-in-one), one tenant, one user | 15:38 |
| pc_m | nfedotov1: So two routers, subnets, on one node. So, I think the two implementations are pretty close. | 15:39 |
| nfedotov1 | and two instances | 15:39 |
| nfedotov1 | It looks like Zhang's patchset does same thing. | 15:39 |
| pc_m | Does anyone have any strong preference for one over the other? If not, then we should focus on reviewing nfedotov1, because he's available to proceed on this now. | 15:40 |
| pc_m | Thoughts? | 15:40 |
| pc_m | #action team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140072/8 for Scenario test | 15:41 |
| nfedotov1 | well I can pick some best things from Zhang's patchset. And later if Zhang wants to change something I will not mind | 15:41 |
| pc_m | nfedotov1: Great, will be good for you two to collaborate, when Zhang is back. | 15:42 |
| nfedotov1 | Ok | 15:42 |
| pc_m | The big issue is #3. | 15:42 |
| pc_m | I've asked in the email if we can get an exception and add this scenario test into tempest, before the migration. | 15:43 |
| nfedotov1 | But eventually they will be removed. Yes? | 15:44 |
| pc_m | Otherwise, we have to either wait for migration and availability of tempest lib, or try to adapt this to run without tempest, which doesn't really sound good to me (not leveraging over the avail infra). | 15:44 |
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| pc_m | nfedotov1: Well, they will be migrated to run under Neutron (in-tree), and then the VPN ones will be moved to the VPN repo. | 15:44 |
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| pc_m | Concern here is over whether we can do all that for K-3. | 15:45 |
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| pc_m | Does anyone have any other ideas on this? I don't know if there is any better way to do the scenario test. | 15:45 |
| nfedotov1 | Maybe it would be better to place tests to neutron-vpnaas. In my opinion | 15:46 |
| pc_m | #action nfedotov1 will collaborate with zhang and merge in useful bits from other commit. | 15:46 |
| pc_m | nfedotov1: To place them directly in the VPN repo now? | 15:47 |
| nfedotov1 | Maybe I do not know some obstacles that prevents us from doing this. | 15:48 |
| pc_m | To do that, we need the tempest lib or modify the test to run w/o tempest libs. Not sure when that will be available (I asked in email). | 15:48 |
| pc_m | #action Get decision from QA team on whether scenario test can be added to tempest or when tempest lib will be available | 15:48 |
| pc_m | Any more discussion on the scenario/functional tests? We've got 10 mins left for other items. | 15:49 |
| pc_m | #topic Bugs | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 15:50 | |
| pc_m | Please take a look at the bugs out and provide review comments. There are about 10 out. | 15:51 |
| pc_m | Oh, I forgot to mention. After setting up coverage testing, I've put out another commit for review to enable coverage testing of any functional tests. | 15:52 |
| pc_m | Here's the bug list: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140072/8 If you have any of interest t discuss here, please speak up. | 15:53 |
| matrohon | pc_m : ^^wrong link? | 15:53 |
| pc_m | Whoops... https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-vpnaas,n,z | 15:54 |
| pc_m | #topic Open Discussion | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: vpnaas)" | 15:54 | |
| pc_m | Anyone have any other questions/concerns to discuss? | 15:55 |
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| pc_m | OK. that's a wrap then. Thanks for joining in, and please take a look at the open reviews so people can progress on their commits. | 15:56 |
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| pc_m | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 17 15:56:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-02-17-15.04.html | 15:56 |
| pc_m | bye all! | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-02-17-15.04.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vpnaas/2015/vpnaas.2015-02-17-15.04.log.html | 15:57 |
| nfedotov1 | thank you. buy | 15:57 |
| nfedotov1 | ...bye | 15:57 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 15:58 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 15:59 |
| rm_work | o/ | 15:59 |
| johnsom | o/ | 15:59 |
| rm_work | meeting start? | 15:59 |
| kobis | hi | 15:59 |
| xgerman | 60 s | 15:59 |
| johnsom | I always wonder that myself | 15:59 |
| blogan | hi | 16:00 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 17 16:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 16:00 |
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| dougwig | #topic roll call | 16:00 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 16:00 |
| ajmiller | Good Morning | 16:00 |
| dougwig | agenda: | 16:00 |
| dougwig | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/LBaaS#Agenda | 16:00 |
| rm_work | o/ | 16:00 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
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| evgenyf | Hi | 16:01 |
| dougwig | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 16:02 | |
| dougwig | Summit talk info | 16:02 |
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| dougwig | gathering thoughts for our summit stuff here: | 16:02 |
| dougwig | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-vancouver-talks | 16:02 |
| ptoohill | o/ | 16:02 |
| dougwig | And a few talks to consider voting on: | 16:02 |
| dougwig | our friends at haproxy: | 16:02 |
| dougwig | http://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/cool-haproxy-tips-you-want-to-know | 16:02 |
| fnaval | o/ | 16:02 |
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| dougwig | ours: | 16:03 |
| dougwig | http://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/load-balancing-as-a-service-temp | 16:03 |
| dougwig | http://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/neutron-mitosis-and-the-l7-services-roadmaps | 16:03 |
| sballe__ | morning | 16:03 |
| dougwig | any others folks want to highlight for this group? | 16:03 |
| Aish | o/ | 16:03 |
| dougwig | Last announcement from me: Kilo-3 is coming up fast (code proposal deadline is 3/5). Vendor drivers especially, the earlier you submit the higher chance we'll have review cycles. | 16:04 |
| dougwig | you realistically want to be a week before the 5th, in case there need to be a few roundtrips (find code is about 5 days after that) | 16:05 |
| dougwig | /find/final/ | 16:05 |
| dougwig | any other announcements? | 16:06 |
| rm_work | going to squeeze this in as it's somewhat time sensitive: it would be super useful if people would go +1 this (if you haven't already): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156623/ (would like to have a decent number of +1s by the time we discuss this at the Barbican meetup) | 16:06 |
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| dougwig | that's the castellan tis library stuff, fyi. | 16:06 |
| rm_work | yes | 16:06 |
| dougwig | tls | 16:06 |
| rm_work | So the thing I've been promising for a while now :) | 16:06 |
| dougwig | :) | 16:06 |
| dougwig | #topic v2 update | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "v2 update (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 16:07 | |
| rm_work | There's discussion about whether to include Certs in it or not -- the "not" case would be sucky for us | 16:07 |
| dougwig | How our agent driver coming? Any blocking issues? | 16:07 |
| blogan | yes these reviews | 16:07 |
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| blogan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155545/ | 16:07 |
| blogan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155051/ | 16:07 |
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| dougwig | great. i'll put them on my list for today. other eyeballs would also be good. | 16:08 |
| dougwig | Testing... how are we doing? | 16:08 |
| santosh | hi All | 16:08 |
| blogan | after those, the agent driver base is ready to be reviewed, the actual agent is being worked on by jorge, phil and myself so we can get it knocked out | 16:08 |
| fnaval | dougwig: we have some outstanding PRs that are in the process of getting fixed | 16:09 |
| fnaval | I think we'll be done with the initial API tests by the end of the week. | 16:09 |
| dougwig | great. how far do you think we are from a jenkins job? | 16:09 |
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| dougwig | you are telepathic. :) | 16:09 |
| dougwig | TLS & L7? | 16:09 |
| fnaval | I'm currently researching how to do the scenario tests. but ran into some issues with connectiing a network to a server in devstack | 16:09 |
| dougwig | fnaval: does the existing v1 scenario test help at all? | 16:10 |
| evgenyf | TLS & L7 - waiting for reviews | 16:10 |
| evgenyf | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145085/ | 16:10 |
| dougwig | evgenyf: can you link them here if you have them handy? | 16:10 |
| evgenyf | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148232/5 | 16:10 |
| fnaval | dougwig: it does - i'm basing off the test I'm writing off of it | 16:10 |
| fnaval | dougwig: i'm sure how to go about in setting up a jenkins job for it externally. | 16:11 |
| dougwig | fnaval: you might want to ping mtreinish and get his opinion. there are things he doesn't like about that test. | 16:11 |
| dougwig | fnaval: i can help with that when the code is ready. | 16:11 |
| dougwig | evgenyf: thank you | 16:11 |
| fnaval | dougwig: ok thanks | 16:11 |
| dougwig | Docs? I think HP was taking those on? | 16:11 |
| xgerman | yep, mwang2 was working on those | 16:12 |
| blogan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148687/ | 16:12 |
| blogan | needs some reviews and address comments | 16:12 |
| xgerman | ok, I will let Min know | 16:12 |
| dougwig | do we have install or cli usage docs, like v1? are we planning those? | 16:12 |
| dougwig | blogan: thanks for the link | 16:13 |
| dougwig | Devstack? I saw that Al had new reviews up. | 16:13 |
| blogan | dougwig: if anyone wants to tackle thsoe, it would add value fo rsure | 16:13 |
| ajmiller | Yes. I need to post an update to the readme, but otherwise I think it is ready to go. | 16:13 |
| dougwig | here's the lbaas side of ajmiller's review: | 16:14 |
| dougwig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155540/ | 16:14 |
| ajmiller | And this is the devstack side: | 16:14 |
| ajmiller | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153079/ | 16:14 |
| dougwig | Any takers for install or CLI docs? Anyone awake yet? :) | 16:14 |
| xgerman | Aish? | 16:14 |
| dougwig | xgerman: can you coordinate finding an owner for that? | 16:15 |
| xgerman | yep, we will find someone | 16:15 |
| dougwig | xgerman: thank you. | 16:15 |
| dougwig | Stats? blogan had comments here. | 16:15 |
| blogan | so the stats are currently just a total for a load balancer | 16:16 |
| blogan | i believe we had discussions where the stats would be split up by listener | 16:17 |
| xgerman | yep, that would be better | 16:17 |
| Aish | yes.. German..? | 16:17 |
| dougwig | if we're going to change anything, let's finalize a decision *today*. | 16:17 |
| xgerman | Aish, Al + I will take it offline | 16:17 |
| blogan | even if it is split up by listener, the REST API will still have the stats call off the load balancer | 16:18 |
| Aish | okay. | 16:18 |
| blogan | and the body will have to split it up by listener | 16:18 |
| xgerman | worlks for me | 16:19 |
| dougwig | fine by me as well. | 16:19 |
| blogan | so option 1) dont split up now, add that in later since that is just additional fields in the response body, so its not backwards incompatible | 16:19 |
| TrevorV | Blogan you mean you'll have a list of listener stats where each object in the list will include the id of the listener they pertain to? Sorta thing? | 16:19 |
| blogan | yes TrevorV | 16:19 |
| TrevorV | kk | 16:19 |
| blogan | option 2) split up now, which requires a change in how the drivers return their stats | 16:20 |
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| blogan | if someone thinks they can do option 2 now, great go for it | 16:20 |
| dougwig | or 1+2) split it now for ref, allow the listener data to be optional for others. | 16:20 |
| xgerman | dougwig +1` | 16:20 |
| blogan | but id still like the REST stats call body to return total stats for a load balancer | 16:21 |
| xgerman | so why can't we do that? | 16:21 |
| blogan | so if its optional, the REST call returns nothing for the listeners? | 16:21 |
| xgerman | return both? | 16:21 |
| dougwig | i'm not seeing an incompatible change here, so if we have time, let's do it. if not, we can add it later? | 16:21 |
| blogan | xgerman: we can | 16:21 |
| blogan | dougwig: yeah its not incompatible if we add it later | 16:22 |
| xgerman | let's try to squeeze it in -- if not we do it later... | 16:22 |
| blogan | it might be a change for the drivers though, but if we go with the mentality that listener stats is optional for a driver then that works | 16:22 |
| blogan | well to squeeze it in, someone needs to do it | 16:22 |
| dougwig | i think we can add methods to the object managers and it's not backwards incompatible with the drivers. | 16:22 |
| dougwig | we just have to write the plugin to cope with a default base class return value. | 16:23 |
| blogan | yeah, there's a few way to skin it | 16:23 |
| dougwig | ok, i'm calling this horse dead. :) | 16:24 |
| dougwig | #topic The future of this meeting | 16:24 |
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| blogan | unless someone wants to volunteer to give CPR to that horse | 16:24 |
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| xgerman | I am trying to volunteer people but they are not responding... | 16:24 |
| blogan | you mean voluntell people eh? | 16:25 |
| xgerman | like jorgem | 16:25 |
| dougwig | this topic is to get folks thinking. after kilo, without v2, we won't have much to talk about. so, options are: 1) we get a new big feature list brainstormed at vancouver, 2) we fold this meeting into the neutron on-demand agenda, 3) we fold together lbaas and octavia, or 4) we keep getting up early because we enjoy the sunny conversation. | 16:25 |
| jorgem | hey now | 16:25 |
| rm_work | #vote 3 | 16:25 |
| johnsom | Hahaha | 16:25 |
| jorgem | #4 | 16:25 |
| dougwig | is this community ready for another big rush of features, or do we need time to assimilate v2? | 16:26 |
| johnsom | I think once V2, TLS, and L7 are cooked we go for #3 | 16:26 |
| blogan | #vote 3, we'll have a lot to talka botu to implement sharing, but i think that will all be implementation discussions | 16:26 |
| xgerman | fold ocatvia in lbaas? | 16:26 |
| dougwig | xgerman: merge those two meetings. | 16:26 |
| sballe__ | I like #3 | 16:26 |
| jorgem | #3 too. | 16:26 |
| kobis | #3 makes sense. #1 is ideal, dunno about realistic :) | 16:27 |
| xgerman | jorgem, you can hve #3 and #4 :-() | 16:27 |
| dougwig | i'm not in a hurry to make a decision, but something else to consider: which meeting slot do we use if we merge? it'd be better for our overseas members to not do US afternoon. | 16:27 |
| rm_work | T_T | 16:27 |
| jorgem | :) | 16:27 |
| sballe__ | dougwig: +1 | 16:27 |
| blogan | i think #1 will need to happen after everything has settled down and stabilized | 16:27 |
| sballe__ | blogan: I agree with you | 16:27 |
| kobis | blogan: +1 | 16:28 |
| dougwig | no fans of using the neutron on-demand format? (you add topics to the wiki when you have something to talk about, use their rotating slots.) | 16:28 |
| xgerman | I don't ven know when the neutron meeting is | 16:28 |
| dougwig | lol | 16:28 |
| rm_work | yeah what is this Neutron thing | 16:28 |
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| dougwig | we are, technically, part of the neutron project. :) | 16:28 |
| blogan | dougwig: not at this moment, but if we get to a point where we have nothing to talk about in many meetings then that would make sense | 16:28 |
| rm_work | I thought we revolted and made our own country | 16:28 |
| TrevorV | dougwig I'm a fan of the on-demand one | 16:29 |
| xgerman | well, we finish lbaas meeting and octavia meeting often early so combining wpould make sense | 16:29 |
| rm_work | $@$% it TrevorV | 16:29 |
| rm_work | lol | 16:29 |
| kobis | so we have to monitor the neutron agenda? how does it work? | 16:29 |
| jorgem | rm_work: We are like the Texas of manifest destiny | 16:29 |
| blogan | kobis: same as lbaas, just longer | 16:29 |
| xgerman | link? | 16:29 |
| sballe__ | rm_work: +1 | 16:29 |
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| dougwig | kobis: yes. their decisions affect us quite a bit, so I go to those anyway (in addition to being interested in neutron in general, anyway.) | 16:30 |
| blogan | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 16:30 |
| dougwig | here's neutron's agenda: | 16:30 |
| dougwig | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 16:30 |
| dougwig | scroll down to the "On Demand" section. anyone can add any topic in there. | 16:30 |
| dougwig | most of the neutron meeting is usually stuff from that part of the agenda. | 16:31 |
| kobis | that would make sense only if lbaas+octavia won't fill a weekly meeting in any case | 16:31 |
| blogan | yeah, i think the natural evolution is to first combine lbaas into octavia, and then to the on-demand | 16:31 |
| dougwig | or if the crowds involve diverge. | 16:31 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:31 |
| kobis | towgan: +1 | 16:31 |
| blogan | lol | 16:31 |
| dougwig | lol | 16:31 |
| rm_work | so, merge for now, revisit later | 16:31 |
| xgerman | lol | 16:31 |
| xgerman | +100 | 16:32 |
| blogan | dougwig: crowds involve diverge? | 16:32 |
| dougwig | let's decide at or after vancouver. | 16:32 |
| sballe__ | perfect | 16:32 |
| dougwig | blogan: if the folks involved in octavia and neutron lbaas start to diverge. right now, they are very similar. | 16:32 |
| blogan | ah ok i see | 16:33 |
| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 16:33 |
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| xgerman | so you don't think we can assimilate... | 16:33 |
| kobis | Q: do we have/want to set any convention for how to hold lbaas v1/v2? | 16:33 |
| dougwig | parse failure. | 16:33 |
| dougwig | kobis: | 16:33 |
| kobis | e.g under <vendor>/v1/driver <vendor>/v2/driver | 16:34 |
| kobis | or <vendor>/driver_v1 | 16:34 |
| kobis | etc? | 16:34 |
| blogan | kobis actually the new agent changes addresses that | 16:35 |
| dougwig | i was planning $vendor/driver_v{1,2}, but i'm pretty neutral on the subject. | 16:35 |
| dougwig | oh right. blogan, do you want to describe that? | 16:35 |
| Chitr | Can you share status for SSL/Offload and L7 Switching changes to plugin? Will it be available by Kilo3? | 16:35 |
| dougwig | Chitr: see the log at 9;10am | 16:35 |
| blogan | so basically, there's no reason to have the services.loadbalancer naemspace since we arent in neutron's tree | 16:36 |
| dougwig | 23 minutes ago, for those not in the mountain time zone | 16:36 |
| sballe__ | :-) | 16:36 |
| blogan | so v2 code should go into the neutron_lbaas.* namespace | 16:36 |
| blogan | so v2 drivers would be in neutron_lbaas.drivers | 16:36 |
| dougwig | (yay!) | 16:36 |
| blogan | v1 drivers remain in neutron_lbaas.services.loadbalancer.drivers | 16:36 |
| kobis | so each vendor code is scattered between here and there? | 16:36 |
| evgenyf | currently v1 drivers code is copied to neutron-lbaas | 16:37 |
| blogan | unless you think having neutron_lbaas.drivers.v1/v2 makes sense | 16:37 |
| kobis | whouldn't it make sense to keep a reference in the old namespace for backward compatibility | 16:37 |
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| dougwig | yes, though v1 is effectively dead from a dev perspective, so we're planning the tree based on how it should be laid out when that code is gone. | 16:37 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:37 |
| kobis | and have it all in neutron_lbaas.drivers? | 16:37 |
| dougwig | blogan: which review is this in, so folks can comment on the new layout scheme or give feedback? | 16:38 |
| evgenyf | radware does services/loadbalancer/drivers/radware/v2/ | 16:38 |
| blogan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156131/ but it might make sense to just have a review that does it explicitly | 16:39 |
| blogan | bc this is the agent driver base review | 16:39 |
| blogan | evgenyf: can that not be changed before it gets merged? | 16:39 |
| dougwig | kobis: we weren't planning to move the v1 plugin and such. moving them and leaving a placeholder means we hit name collision issues and have to propagate the v2 on every module, which will be irritating once v1 is actually removed from tree. that'd be the biggest drawback. drivers are much easier to do what you're suggesting, though. | 16:39 |
| dougwig | though i'd rather just let them die than churn them, IMO. | 16:40 |
| evgenyf | blogan: not be changed or changed? | 16:40 |
| blogan | evgenyf: can it be changed? | 16:40 |
| xgerman | yeah, dead to v1!! | 16:40 |
| evgenyf | blogan: sure | 16:40 |
| blogan | v1 wont be dead, it'll just be quarantined :) | 16:41 |
| dougwig | separate but equal? | 16:41 |
| dougwig | wait, isn't that how lbaas is with neutron? :) | 16:41 |
| kobis | yep - for that miserable dude who actually uses it and won't migrate :( | 16:41 |
| evgenyf | so going for drivers/<vendor>? | 16:41 |
| blogan | lbaas is separate yes, equal? i dont think so | 16:41 |
| blogan | evgenyf: yes | 16:41 |
| xgerman | some projects are more equal than others... | 16:41 |
| blogan | woudl a more explicit review that pushes this change in be better for everyone? | 16:42 |
| dougwig | blogan: yep, soundsl ike | 16:42 |
| blogan | it'll just be setting up the new structure | 16:42 |
| blogan | i dont think we should move the code that has been merged just yet though | 16:42 |
| blogan | such as the v2 plugin | 16:43 |
| blogan | but id like to at some point | 16:43 |
| blogan | before kilo 3 | 16:43 |
| blogan | bc that changes how people point to hte plugin in the config | 16:43 |
| blogan | any opinions on moving the v2 specific code that has already merged? | 16:44 |
| dougwig | i'm in favor of moving it. | 16:44 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:44 |
| blogan | all o fit? | 16:44 |
| kobis | +1 | 16:44 |
| dougwig | v2 to the new scheme? yes. | 16:45 |
| blogan | id prefer to do it in a separate review then | 16:45 |
| blogan | just so the new structure can go in quickly and driver writers can get to it | 16:45 |
| dougwig | you'll likely need a placeholder for the service plugin until we can unwind the old location from devstack. | 16:45 |
| blogan | yeah that can just be a redirect | 16:45 |
| blogan | through inheritance | 16:46 |
| dougwig | we will eagerly await for gerrit review. | 16:46 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:46 |
| dougwig | or just set "blah = new.spot.blah" | 16:46 |
| blogan | in the interest of getting +2's can someone else do this? | 16:46 |
| ajmiller | I'm into devstack right now, would it make sense for me to do it? | 16:46 |
| xgerman | I altreday volunteered you for stats | 16:47 |
| blogan | i dont know, would it al? | 16:47 |
| ajmiller | Hmm, well what xgerman said, I don't want to get spread too thin. | 16:47 |
| xgerman | we will find somebody - moving code looks like a easys ATC | 16:48 |
| dougwig | i'll assume towgan can find a victim offline. | 16:48 |
| blogan | okay someone from our team will do it | 16:48 |
| dougwig | any other open discussion items today? | 16:48 |
| dougwig | i'm going to end by repeating this, for the later risers among us: | 16:49 |
| dougwig | Last announcement from me: Kilo-3 is coming up fast (code proposal deadline is 3/5). Vendor drivers especially, the earlier you submit the higher chance we'll have review cycles. | 16:49 |
| dougwig | thanks, folks | 16:49 |
| sballe__ | have a great day | 16:49 |
| kobis | bye | 16:49 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
| xgerman | bye | 16:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 17 16:49:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2015/neutron_lbaas.2015-02-17-16.00.html | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2015/neutron_lbaas.2015-02-17-16.00.txt | 16:49 |
| Aish | bye | 16:49 |
| evgenyf | bye | 16:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2015/neutron_lbaas.2015-02-17-16.00.log.html | 16:49 |
| fnaval | bye | 16:50 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 16:50 |
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