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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 25 04:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 04:00 |
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| krtaylor | anyone here for third party working group meeting? | 04:00 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 04:00 |
| krtaylor | hi patrickeast | 04:01 |
| patrickeast | hey | 04:01 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 04:01 |
| krtaylor | hey mmedvede | 04:01 |
| mmedvede | hi | 04:01 |
| krtaylor | looks like you made it afterall :) | 04:01 |
| mmedvede | barely :) | 04:01 |
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| krtaylor | ok, well fairly light agenda for today's meeting | 04:02 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#2.2F25.2F15_0400_UTC | 04:02 |
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| asselin_ | hi | 04:02 |
| krtaylor | hi asselin_ | 04:03 |
| krtaylor | we just started | 04:03 |
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| krtaylor | I was just going to remind everyone, and anyone that might read the log later, of the plans to have gerrit upgraded March 21st | 04:04 |
| asselin | I think the date got pushed out | 04:04 |
| krtaylor | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056508.html | 04:04 |
| asselin | to april 11 or may 9 in today's infra meeting | 04:04 |
| krtaylor | asselin, oh, I missed that, and I was there :) | 04:04 |
| * krtaylor admits to doing other things during | 04:05 | |
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| asselin | and pleia2 will setup a hello world service on the gerrit port for firewall testing | 04:05 |
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| krtaylor | ah, ok, oh I do remember that part | 04:06 |
| krtaylor | I guess I missed the date | 04:06 |
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| krtaylor | I jut checked for a new announcement for it, I guess that is coming | 04:07 |
| krtaylor | anyone have any other announcements before we move on? | 04:08 |
| krtaylor | on it is then | 04:08 |
| krtaylor | #topic Third-party CI documentation | 04:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Third-party CI documentation (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 04:08 | |
| krtaylor | the documentation is still moving forward, at a slow pace | 04:09 |
| krtaylor | there are some good reviews and it looks like some are ready | 04:09 |
| krtaylor | just need some +2 to push them through | 04:09 |
| * asselin needs to look again | 04:10 | |
| krtaylor | I am thinking that the running-your-own doc is in danger of not getting where we need it to be | 04:10 |
| krtaylor | but maybe that will be ok, with in-tree coming | 04:11 |
| krtaylor | there have been a few changes, rfolco namely, and I know he has some more changes in mind | 04:11 |
| asselin | I never tried the running-you-own. I would like to eventually. | 04:11 |
| krtaylor | yeah, its one of those things that it is hard to critique unless you are doing it | 04:12 |
| krtaylor | any thing else for documentation? | 04:13 |
| krtaylor | next then | 04:14 |
| krtaylor | #topic in-tree 3rd party ci solution | 04:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "in-tree 3rd party ci solution (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 04:14 | |
| asselin | I pushed up a big update today | 04:15 |
| krtaylor | asselin, I did see that you had a new version | 04:15 |
| krtaylor | yep! | 04:15 |
| krtaylor | I need to go review that one again | 04:15 |
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| asselin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139745/ | 04:15 |
| krtaylor | thanks | 04:15 |
| krtaylor | it is good to see all the comments, it is shaping up really nicely | 04:16 |
| asselin | jeblair had a good suggestion: make -infra use it too. that simplifies a lot | 04:16 |
| asselin | so it's being renamed openstack-ci instead of 3rd party ci | 04:16 |
| krtaylor | yes | 04:17 |
| krtaylor | infra might find some of the tools we'll pull together useful too, but more on that later | 04:18 |
| krtaylor | also I saw that the refactor patch got a new version | 04:18 |
| asselin | it will make running your own much simpler too (I think) | 04:18 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137471/ | 04:19 |
| krtaylor | asselin, yes! | 04:19 |
| krtaylor | so reviews on these everyone! | 04:19 |
| asselin | yes, need to review that again. It's a very important change and the 'openstack ci' change will greatly need it. | 04:19 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, anything else on this? | 04:20 |
| mmedvede | asselin: the 139745 has the story link wrong :) | 04:20 |
| mmedvede | not wrong, just missing space | 04:21 |
| asselin | really? oh ok | 04:21 |
| asselin | will fix it then | 04:21 |
| krtaylor | mmedvede, you can get a review out of it :) | 04:21 |
| krtaylor | good catch! | 04:21 |
| mmedvede | hehe, I need -1's | 04:21 |
| asselin | yes, thanks! :) | 04:21 |
| asselin | ok,nothing more from me | 04:22 |
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| krtaylor | onward then | 04:23 |
| krtaylor | #topic Repo for third party tools | 04:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Repo for third party tools (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 04:23 | |
| krtaylor | so, we brought this up last meeting | 04:23 |
| krtaylor | and had a really good discussion | 04:23 |
| krtaylor | fueled by tools that were shared by patrickeast | 04:23 |
| krtaylor | and we have a few that would be useful | 04:24 |
| krtaylor | give ci operators options for functionality and a place to look for ideas | 04:24 |
| krtaylor | for how they can automate | 04:24 |
| krtaylor | and monitor, etc | 04:24 |
| krtaylor | I created an etherpad | 04:25 |
| krtaylor | (just minutes ago) | 04:25 |
| krtaylor | if I can get more free time in the next few days, I'll pull that together | 04:25 |
| krtaylor | #link | 04:25 |
| krtaylor | oops | 04:25 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-ci-wg-repo | 04:25 |
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| krtaylor | that is just the beginnings, ideas and comments appreciated | 04:26 |
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| krtaylor | I am leaning toward one repo, with functional directories for tools, maybe in sub directories | 04:27 |
| krtaylor | we want to bundle tools, readmes etc together | 04:27 |
| krtaylor | but organize them by, well, in some way | 04:28 |
| asselin | krtaylor, +1 for organized directories | 04:29 |
| krtaylor | right, the comments there also reflect what I was thinking, treat this as a kind of incubator | 04:29 |
| krtaylor | if a tool grows to the point where it needs to be split out, it can | 04:29 |
| asselin | agreed | 04:29 |
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| patrickeast | sounds like a good plan to me | 04:30 |
| mmedvede | +1 | 04:30 |
| krtaylor | it will be really interesting to see how many tools we can gather up | 04:30 |
| krtaylor | the concept of having a huge toolchest full of idea for fixing problems in ci systems is pretty darn cool | 04:31 |
| krtaylor | everyone was enthused in Paris about it anyway :) | 04:32 |
| asselin | +1 | 04:32 |
| krtaylor | maybe that was the wine :) | 04:32 |
| asselin | that's the nice part of this new meeting time | 04:32 |
| * asselin having some wine | 04:32 | |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 04:32 |
| * krtaylor trying to stay focused after a long day | 04:33 | |
| krtaylor | so, any comments, suggestions, ideas, put them in the etherpad | 04:33 |
| krtaylor | I'll get that going this week | 04:34 |
| krtaylor | that's all I had, any questions? | 04:34 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 04:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 04:35 | |
| krtaylor | open floor | 04:35 |
| krtaylor | this might be a quick meeting then | 04:37 |
| krtaylor | I'll hang around for a few minutes, in case someone jumps in with a question | 04:37 |
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| asselin | ok goodnight | 04:42 |
| mmedvede | night | 04:42 |
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| krtaylor | yeah, that's a wrap | 04:43 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone! | 04:43 |
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| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 04:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 04:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 25 04:43:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-02-25-04.00.html | 04:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-02-25-04.00.txt | 04:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-02-25-04.00.log.html | 04:43 |
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| yamahata | hello | 17:01 |
| SridharRamaswamy | yamahata: hi | 17:01 |
| yamahata | #startmeeting servicevm-device-manager | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 25 17:01:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'servicevm_device_manager' | 17:01 |
| * yamahata giving people several minutes... | 17:02 | |
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| yamahata | now 5 min, let's start... | 17:05 |
| yamahata | #topic Announcement | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcement (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 17:05 | |
| yamahata | Now voting for openstack summit was closed | 17:05 |
| yamahata | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/speakers/ | 17:05 |
| yamahata | thanks for your votes | 17:06 |
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| yamahata | that's it from me. anything else? | 17:06 |
| s3wong | hello | 17:06 |
| s3wong | sorry, a bit late | 17:06 |
| SridharRamaswamy | yamahata: hope it makes thru, but i see lots of good proposals | 17:06 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: hi | 17:07 |
| yamahata | s3wong: hi | 17:07 |
| s3wong | yamahata: didn't see what you wrote above, what did you say? | 17:07 |
| yamahata | SridharRamaswamy: Yeah. the accept rate would be low. | 17:07 |
| SridharRamaswamy | yamahata: :) | 17:07 |
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| yamahata | The voting for summit was closed. | 17:07 |
| yamahata | https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/speakers/summit | 17:07 |
| s3wong | yes | 17:07 |
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| s3wong | generally I agree with yamahata, the possibility of the talk getting in is low | 17:07 |
| s3wong | but we are happy that during this exercise, we got a somewhat clear direction for Tacker | 17:09 |
| s3wong | that we are trying to build a VNF Manager | 17:09 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: yeah, can we list the high level functions of tacker as it stands .. | 17:09 |
| yamahata | definitively | 17:09 |
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| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: good question | 17:10 |
| SridharRamaswamy | health-monitoring, automatic-restart, automatic-reconfig on failure, etc | 17:10 |
| s3wong | so as VNF Manager, at the minimum, we need to do "lifecycle and config management" | 17:10 |
| SridharRamaswamy | threw out few that was floating in my head | 17:10 |
| SridharRamaswamy | i'm thinking beyond spin up ServiceVM | 17:11 |
| s3wong | in the MANO diagram, VNF Manager also lives on top of VIM (virtual infrastructure manager), so we have to avoid making direct Nova/Glance/Neutron calls | 17:11 |
| s3wong | make them a plug in | 17:11 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: agreed. setting up a management channel from get-go is a must | 17:12 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: hmm, why are you making that assumption ? | 17:12 |
| s3wong | as we talked about last week with auto configuration of provider-net | 17:12 |
| yamahata | #chair SridharRamaswamy s3wong | 17:13 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridharRamaswamy s3wong yamahata | 17:13 |
| yamahata | #topic Open Discussion | 17:13 |
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| yamahata | Yea. | 17:13 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: it is in http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/slides/slides-88-opsawg-6.pdf | 17:13 |
| s3wong | pg 6 | 17:14 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: coincidence, i was looking at the same :) | 17:14 |
| s3wong | VNFM and VIM have a common interface (Vnfm-Vi) | 17:14 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: :-) | 17:14 |
| s3wong | given that MANO mentions VIM can be vmware, or OpenStack, or CloudStack, my guess is we need to abstract out pure OpenStack calls | 17:15 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: yeah, that make sense | 17:15 |
| s3wong | I don't work for a company that is a member of ETSI, so I don't know if Vnfm-Vi is being standardized | 17:15 |
| s3wong | if so, we should actually follow what ETSI NFV proposes | 17:15 |
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| yamahata | the draft of ETSI is publicly available. | 17:16 |
| yamahata | I'm not sure how new they are. | 17:16 |
| yamahata | though | 17:16 |
| s3wong | yamahata: I know about the four high-level drafts | 17:16 |
| s3wong | yamahata: but not sure if the API proposals (if there are any) are publicly available | 17:17 |
| SridharRamaswamy | the guidance i got from ppl who are active in these standards body .. we shouldn't take every box and line to the exact definition to the implementation | 17:17 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: sounds fair, Tacker can have a first crack at what plugin interface we should use | 17:17 |
| SridharRamaswamy | as long as we are providing the functions described in MANO in a way that can map back, it should be fine | 17:18 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy, yamahata: then if there are standard APIs coming up, we can try to map them | 17:18 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy, yamahata: TBH, I would be surprise at the end of the day, the APIs would look drastically different from Nova/Glance/Neutron anyway :-) | 17:18 |
| SridharRamaswamy | there are normalize toolkits like Apache Jclouds that can help to map to wherever VIM in the back | 17:19 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: OK | 17:19 |
| SridharRamaswamy | jclouds, for eg, can do openstack, vmware or even ec2 :) | 17:20 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: nice | 17:20 |
| s3wong | yamahata: I would like to know the state of the Tacker codebase | 17:20 |
| yamahata | s3wong: it's stable for a while | 17:21 |
| s3wong | yamahata: is the keystone endpoint for Tacker setup yet? | 17:21 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: is devstack integration in place? | 17:21 |
| yamahata | It works with keystone as neutron does. | 17:21 |
| yamahata | devstack patch is not available yet. | 17:22 |
| yamahata | If necessary, I can put half-baked patch for devstack somewhere. | 17:22 |
| yamahata | maybe github | 17:22 |
| yamahata | I'll upload it to github | 17:22 |
| s3wong | yamahata: sure, that would be great | 17:23 |
| s3wong | yamahata: what we need is Tacker being in some form where we can set up and start doing some test | 17:23 |
| yamahata | #action upload devstack patch to github | 17:23 |
| s3wong | yamahata: admittedly we can do unit tests | 17:23 |
| s3wong | yamahata: but if we are to abstract out Neutron/Nova/Glance --- then it seems like the testing ought to be done with devstack | 17:24 |
| yamahata | #action yamahata upload devstack patch to github | 17:24 |
| yamahata | Sure. makes sense. | 17:24 |
| s3wong | yamahata: also, when bobmel was still involved, he mentioned going with Pecan --- but I guess that isn't needed to bring up the API server per se, right? | 17:24 |
| yamahata | Unfortunately UT is missing | 17:24 |
| yamahata | At this moment, tacker is independent API server | 17:25 |
| s3wong | yamahata: do we need to set up some framework for UT? or you were saying UT in general is missing (i.e., no UT was written)? | 17:25 |
| yamahata | the latter. | 17:26 |
| s3wong | yamahata: to should just work when we have the UTs, right? | 17:26 |
| yamahata | tests direction is almost empty for now. | 17:26 |
| yamahata | directory | 17:26 |
| yamahata | Right | 17:26 |
| s3wong | yamahata: that's OK, as we develop the APIs/DB model, we will write the UTs | 17:26 |
| s3wong | yamahata: currently you haven't really completed the APIs/DB model anyway, right? | 17:27 |
| yamahata | Not fully completed. but mostly. | 17:27 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: sure, we can start with that | 17:27 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: yamahata: folks - i got leave for another mtg in a min | 17:29 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: sure. Have a good day | 17:29 |
| yamahata | SridharRamaswamy: sure. np | 17:29 |
| SridharRamaswamy | i'll catchup w/ the meeting minutes | 17:29 |
| SridharRamaswamy | ttyl | 17:29 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: I may start to look into abstract out Nova/Neutron/Glance as plugin (i.e., plugin model) --- though since I only work on this ~20% time, the progress may be slow | 17:30 |
| yamahata | s3wong: That's quite fine. | 17:31 |
| yamahata | It seems everyone has time constraint. | 17:31 |
| s3wong | yamahata: certainly :-) | 17:31 |
| yamahata | Feel free to contact me when necessary. | 17:32 |
| s3wong | yamahata: hopefully if we lay the groundwork nicely, it will attract more people from the community to join the project | 17:32 |
| yamahata | Yea, hopefully :-) | 17:32 |
| s3wong | yamahata: and that you and SridharRamaswamy's employers will allow you guys to dedicate more time into the project also :-) | 17:33 |
| s3wong | (if and when the project becomes popular) | 17:33 |
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| s3wong | I do think VNF Manager is attractive, but we need to build something to show people this is a serious project first to get to be recognized as the OpenStack OSS VNF Manager | 17:34 |
| s3wong | long way to go :-) | 17:34 |
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| yamahata | Definitively long way | 17:34 |
| yamahata | and hard way | 17:34 |
| s3wong | yamahata: one step at a time | 17:34 |
| s3wong | anyway, that's it for me | 17:35 |
| yamahata | anything else to discuss. | 17:35 |
| yamahata | TBH I'm also running out of time... | 17:35 |
| s3wong | yamahata: sure. Have a good week | 17:35 |
| yamahata | s3wong: you too! | 17:35 |
| yamahata | thank you. bye | 17:35 |
| yamahata | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 25 17:36:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2015/servicevm_device_manager.2015-02-25-17.01.html | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2015/servicevm_device_manager.2015-02-25-17.01.txt | 17:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2015/servicevm_device_manager.2015-02-25-17.01.log.html | 17:36 |
| s3wong | bye | 17:36 |
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