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krtaylor#startmeeting third-party04:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 25 04:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.04:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.04:00
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krtayloranyone here for third party working group meeting?04:00
patrickeasto/04:00
krtaylorhi patrickeast04:01
patrickeasthey04:01
mmedvedeo/04:01
krtaylorhey mmedvede04:01
mmedvedehi04:01
krtaylorlooks like you made it afterall :)04:01
mmedvedebarely :)04:01
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krtaylorok, well fairly light agenda for today's meeting04:02
krtaylor#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#2.2F25.2F15_0400_UTC04:02
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asselin_hi04:02
krtaylorhi asselin_04:03
krtaylorwe just started04:03
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krtaylorI was just going to remind everyone, and anyone that might read the log later, of  the plans to have gerrit upgraded March 21st04:04
asselinI think the date got pushed out04:04
krtaylor#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056508.html04:04
asselinto april 11 or may 9 in today's infra meeting04:04
krtaylorasselin, oh, I missed that, and I was there :)04:04
* krtaylor admits to doing other things during04:05
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asselinand pleia2 will setup a hello world service on the gerrit port for firewall testing04:05
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krtaylorah, ok, oh I do remember that part04:06
krtaylorI guess I missed the date04:06
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krtaylorI jut checked for a new announcement for it, I guess that is coming04:07
krtayloranyone have any other announcements before we move on?04:08
krtayloron it is then04:08
krtaylor#topic Third-party CI documentation04:08
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krtaylorthe documentation is still moving forward, at a slow pace04:09
krtaylorthere are some good reviews and it looks like some are ready04:09
krtaylorjust need some +2 to push them through04:09
* asselin needs to look again04:10
krtaylorI am thinking that the running-your-own doc is in danger of not getting where we need it to be04:10
krtaylorbut maybe that will be ok, with in-tree coming04:11
krtaylorthere have been a few changes, rfolco namely, and I know he has some more changes in mind04:11
asselinI never tried the running-you-own. I would like to eventually.04:11
krtayloryeah, its one of those things that it is hard to critique unless you are doing it04:12
krtaylorany thing else for documentation?04:13
krtaylornext then04:14
krtaylor#topic in-tree 3rd party ci solution04:14
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asselinI pushed up a big update today04:15
krtaylorasselin, I did see that you had a new version04:15
krtayloryep!04:15
krtaylorI need to go review that one again04:15
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asselin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139745/04:15
krtaylorthanks04:15
krtaylorit is good to see all the comments, it is shaping up really nicely04:16
asselinjeblair had a good suggestion: make -infra use it too. that simplifies a lot04:16
asselinso it's being renamed openstack-ci instead of 3rd party ci04:16
krtayloryes04:17
krtaylorinfra might find some of the tools we'll pull together useful too, but more on that later04:18
krtayloralso I saw that the refactor patch got a new version04:18
asselinit will make running your own much simpler too (I think)04:18
krtaylor#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137471/04:19
krtaylorasselin, yes!04:19
krtaylorso reviews on these everyone!04:19
asselinyes, need to review that again. It's a very important change and the 'openstack ci' change will greatly need it.04:19
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krtaylorasselin, anything else on this?04:20
mmedvedeasselin: the 139745 has the story link wrong :)04:20
mmedvedenot wrong, just missing space04:21
asselinreally? oh ok04:21
asselinwill fix it then04:21
krtaylormmedvede, you can get a review out of it  :)04:21
krtaylorgood catch!04:21
mmedvedehehe, I need -1's04:21
asselinyes, thanks! :)04:21
asselinok,nothing more from me04:22
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krtayloronward then04:23
krtaylor#topic Repo for third party tools04:23
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krtaylorso, we brought this up last meeting04:23
krtaylorand had a really good discussion04:23
krtaylorfueled by tools that were shared by patrickeast04:23
krtaylorand we have a few that would be useful04:24
krtaylorgive ci operators options for functionality and a place to look for ideas04:24
krtaylorfor how they can automate04:24
krtaylorand monitor, etc04:24
krtaylorI created an etherpad04:25
krtaylor(just minutes ago)04:25
krtaylorif I can get more free time in the next few days, I'll pull that together04:25
krtaylor#link04:25
krtayloroops04:25
krtaylor#link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-ci-wg-repo04:25
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krtaylorthat is just the beginnings, ideas and comments appreciated04:26
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krtaylorI am leaning toward one repo, with functional directories for tools, maybe in sub directories04:27
krtaylorwe want to bundle tools, readmes etc together04:27
krtaylorbut organize them by, well, in some way04:28
asselinkrtaylor, +1 for organized directories04:29
krtaylorright, the comments there also reflect what I was thinking, treat this as a kind of incubator04:29
krtaylorif a tool grows to the point where it needs to be split out, it can04:29
asselinagreed04:29
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patrickeastsounds like a good plan to me04:30
mmedvede+104:30
krtaylorit will be really interesting to see how many tools we can gather up04:30
krtaylorthe concept of having a huge toolchest full of idea for fixing problems in ci systems is pretty darn cool04:31
krtayloreveryone was enthused in Paris about it anyway  :)04:32
asselin+104:32
krtaylormaybe that was the wine  :)04:32
asselinthat's the nice part of this new meeting time04:32
* asselin having some wine04:32
krtaylorhehheh04:32
* krtaylor trying to stay focused after a long day04:33
krtaylorso, any comments, suggestions, ideas, put them in the etherpad04:33
krtaylorI'll get that going this week04:34
krtaylorthat's all I had, any questions?04:34
krtaylor#topic Open Discussion04:35
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krtayloropen floor04:35
krtaylorthis might be a quick meeting then04:37
krtaylorI'll hang around for a few minutes, in case someone jumps in with a question04:37
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asselinok goodnight04:42
mmedvedenight04:42
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krtayloryeah, that's a wrap04:43
krtaylorthanks everyone!04:43
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krtaylor#endmeeting04:43
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yamahatahello17:01
SridharRamaswamyyamahata: hi17:01
yamahata#startmeeting servicevm-device-manager17:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 25 17:01:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
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* yamahata giving people several minutes...17:02
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yamahatanow 5 min, let's start...17:05
yamahata#topic Announcement17:05
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yamahataNow voting for openstack summit was closed17:05
yamahata#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/speakers/17:05
yamahatathanks for your votes17:06
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yamahatathat's it from me. anything else?17:06
s3wonghello17:06
s3wongsorry, a bit late17:06
SridharRamaswamyyamahata: hope it makes thru, but i see lots of good proposals17:06
SridharRamaswamys3wong: hi17:07
yamahatas3wong: hi17:07
s3wongyamahata: didn't see what you wrote above, what did you say?17:07
yamahataSridharRamaswamy: Yeah. the accept rate would be low.17:07
SridharRamaswamyyamahata: :)17:07
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yamahataThe voting for summit was closed.17:07
yamahatahttps://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/speakers/summit17:07
s3wongyes17:07
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s3wonggenerally I agree with yamahata, the possibility of the talk getting in is low17:07
s3wongbut we are happy that during this exercise, we got a somewhat clear direction for Tacker17:09
s3wongthat we are trying to build a VNF Manager17:09
SridharRamaswamys3wong: yeah, can we list the high level functions of tacker as it stands ..17:09
yamahatadefinitively17:09
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s3wongSridharRamaswamy: good question17:10
SridharRamaswamyhealth-monitoring, automatic-restart, automatic-reconfig on failure, etc17:10
s3wongso as VNF Manager, at the minimum, we need to do "lifecycle and config management"17:10
SridharRamaswamythrew out few that was floating in my head17:10
SridharRamaswamyi'm thinking beyond spin up ServiceVM17:11
s3wongin the MANO diagram, VNF Manager also lives on top of VIM (virtual infrastructure manager), so we have to avoid making direct Nova/Glance/Neutron calls17:11
s3wongmake them a plug in17:11
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: agreed. setting up a management channel from get-go is a must17:12
SridharRamaswamys3wong: hmm, why are you making that assumption ?17:12
s3wongas we talked about last week with auto configuration of provider-net17:12
yamahata#chair SridharRamaswamy s3wong17:13
openstackCurrent chairs: SridharRamaswamy s3wong yamahata17:13
yamahata#topic Open Discussion17:13
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yamahataYea.17:13
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: it is in http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/88/slides/slides-88-opsawg-6.pdf17:13
s3wongpg 617:14
SridharRamaswamys3wong: coincidence, i was looking at the same :)17:14
s3wongVNFM and VIM have a common interface (Vnfm-Vi)17:14
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: :-)17:14
s3wonggiven that MANO mentions VIM can be vmware, or OpenStack, or CloudStack, my guess is we need to abstract out pure OpenStack calls17:15
SridharRamaswamys3wong: yeah, that make sense17:15
s3wongI don't work for a company that is a member of ETSI, so I don't know if Vnfm-Vi is being standardized17:15
s3wongif so, we should actually follow what ETSI NFV proposes17:15
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yamahatathe draft of ETSI is publicly available.17:16
yamahataI'm not sure how new they are.17:16
yamahatathough17:16
s3wongyamahata: I know about the four high-level drafts17:16
s3wongyamahata: but not sure if the API proposals (if there are any) are publicly available17:17
SridharRamaswamythe guidance i got from ppl who are active in these standards body  .. we shouldn't take every box and line to the exact definition to the implementation17:17
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: sounds fair, Tacker can have a first crack at what plugin interface  we should use17:17
SridharRamaswamyas long as we are providing the functions described in MANO in a way that can map back, it should be fine17:18
s3wongSridharRamaswamy, yamahata: then if there are standard APIs coming up, we can try to map them17:18
s3wongSridharRamaswamy, yamahata: TBH, I would be surprise at the end of the day, the APIs would look drastically different from Nova/Glance/Neutron anyway :-)17:18
SridharRamaswamythere are normalize toolkits like Apache Jclouds that can help to map to wherever VIM in the back17:19
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: OK17:19
SridharRamaswamyjclouds, for eg, can do openstack, vmware or even ec2 :)17:20
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: nice17:20
s3wongyamahata: I would like to know the state of the Tacker codebase17:20
yamahatas3wong: it's stable for a while17:21
s3wongyamahata: is the keystone endpoint for Tacker setup yet?17:21
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s3wongyamahata: is devstack integration in place?17:21
yamahataIt works with keystone as neutron does.17:21
yamahatadevstack patch is not available yet.17:22
yamahataIf necessary, I can put half-baked patch for devstack somewhere.17:22
yamahatamaybe github17:22
yamahataI'll upload it to github17:22
s3wongyamahata: sure, that would be great17:23
s3wongyamahata: what we need is Tacker being in some form where we can set up and start doing some  test17:23
yamahata#action upload devstack patch to github17:23
s3wongyamahata: admittedly we can do unit tests17:23
s3wongyamahata: but if we are to abstract out Neutron/Nova/Glance --- then it seems like the testing ought to be done with devstack17:24
yamahata#action yamahata upload devstack patch to github17:24
yamahataSure. makes sense.17:24
s3wongyamahata: also, when bobmel was still involved, he mentioned going with Pecan --- but I guess that isn't needed to bring up the API server per se, right?17:24
yamahataUnfortunately UT is missing17:24
yamahataAt this moment, tacker is independent API server17:25
s3wongyamahata: do we need to set up some framework for UT? or you were saying UT in general is missing (i.e., no UT was written)?17:25
yamahatathe latter.17:26
s3wongyamahata: to should just work when we have the UTs, right?17:26
yamahatatests direction is almost empty for now.17:26
yamahatadirectory17:26
yamahataRight17:26
s3wongyamahata: that's OK, as we develop the APIs/DB model, we will write the UTs17:26
s3wongyamahata: currently you haven't really completed the APIs/DB model anyway, right?17:27
yamahataNot fully completed. but mostly.17:27
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s3wongyamahata: sure, we can start with that17:27
SridharRamaswamys3wong: yamahata: folks - i got leave for another mtg in a min17:29
s3wongSridharRamaswamy: sure. Have a good day17:29
yamahataSridharRamaswamy: sure. np17:29
SridharRamaswamyi'll catchup w/ the meeting minutes17:29
SridharRamaswamyttyl17:29
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s3wongyamahata: I may start to look into abstract out Nova/Neutron/Glance as plugin (i.e., plugin model) --- though since I only work on this ~20% time, the progress may be slow17:30
yamahatas3wong: That's quite fine.17:31
yamahataIt seems everyone has time constraint.17:31
s3wongyamahata: certainly :-)17:31
yamahataFeel free to contact me when necessary.17:32
s3wongyamahata: hopefully if we lay the groundwork nicely, it will attract more people from the community to join the project17:32
yamahataYea, hopefully :-)17:32
s3wongyamahata: and that you and SridharRamaswamy's employers will allow you guys to dedicate more time into the project also :-)17:33
s3wong(if and when the project becomes popular)17:33
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s3wongI do think VNF Manager is attractive, but we need to build something to show people this is a serious project first to get to be recognized as the OpenStack OSS VNF Manager17:34
s3wonglong way to go :-)17:34
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yamahataDefinitively long way17:34
yamahataand hard way17:34
s3wongyamahata: one step at  a time17:34
s3wonganyway, that's it for me17:35
yamahataanything else to discuss.17:35
yamahataTBH I'm also running out of time...17:35
s3wongyamahata: sure. Have a good week17:35
yamahatas3wong: you too!17:35
yamahatathank you. bye17:35
yamahata#endmeeting17:36
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