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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 11 04:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 04:00 |
| krtaylor | anyone here for third party working group meeting? | 04:00 |
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| krtaylor | hey asselin_ | 04:01 |
| asselin_ | hi | 04:01 |
| krtaylor | might be a quick one tonight, just us so far | 04:01 |
| asselin_ | ok | 04:02 |
| krtaylor | anything on your mind? | 04:02 |
| asselin_ | lots of stuff. I discussed on monday a bit in the other 3rd party meeting. | 04:03 |
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| asselin_ | got some patches up finally for openstackci | 04:03 |
| krtaylor | yes, I saw, good stuff | 04:03 |
| asselin_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:downstream-puppet,n,z | 04:04 |
| asselin_ | you? | 04:06 |
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| krtaylor | so, how were you thinking of moving that forward, we had discussed the possibility of having a mini -sprint for it | 04:07 |
| krtaylor | downstream-puppet (openstackci) | 04:07 |
| krtaylor | me? don't understand | 04:08 |
| asselin_ | yeah...I would like to get some momentum going first, then do a mini-sprint | 04:08 |
| krtaylor | right, ok | 04:08 |
| asselin_ | you--> anything on your mind | 04:08 |
| krtaylor | ah, ok | 04:08 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 04:08 |
| krtaylor | I am ready to get horizontal, DST makes this...interesting | 04:09 |
| asselin_ | yeah...late for me, later for you | 04:09 |
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| krtaylor | especially since we created this meeting for the other side of the world, and no one attends, makes me wonder about going back to one time for WG and then also have the Office Hours on Monday for infra coaching | 04:11 |
| krtaylor | we really need to have a few people to make a meaningful meeting, get something done | 04:11 |
| asselin_ | agreed | 04:11 |
| krtaylor | but, I digress | 04:12 |
| krtaylor | on my mind, yes | 04:12 |
| krtaylor | I did finish a first pass at the TPWG wiki | 04:12 |
| krtaylor | complete with index for tools as we discussed | 04:12 |
| asselin_ | TPWG? | 04:12 |
| krtaylor | Third Party Working Group | 04:13 |
| asselin_ | rihgt.....it's late :) | 04:13 |
| krtaylor | I get tired of typing that out | 04:13 |
| krtaylor | here's the link | 04:14 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartyCIWorkingGroup | 04:14 |
| * asselin_ looking | 04:14 | |
| krtaylor | I havent linked it into the meetings yet, just getting started | 04:14 |
| krtaylor | please feel free to add/change | 04:14 |
| patrickeast | hey guys, sry i'm late | 04:15 |
| krtaylor | hey patrickeast | 04:15 |
| asselin_ | cools..that's a great start! | 04:15 |
| krtaylor | asselin_, thanks | 04:15 |
| asselin_ | patrickeast, hi | 04:15 |
| krtaylor | it's a start, gets an agenda for third party people that want to make all this better, not just run whats there | 04:15 |
| patrickeast | oo nice, glad to see the in tree ci stuff movin along | 04:16 |
| patrickeast | i like the wiki page too | 04:16 |
| krtaylor | I'd like to start thinking about liberty work, if we have enough good stuff, we can propose a design session | 04:16 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, feel free to add to it too | 04:16 |
| krtaylor | have you all heard about your summit talk yet? | 04:18 |
| asselin_ | no...not yet. are decisions made already? | 04:18 |
| patrickeast | i haven't heard anything | 04:18 |
| krtaylor | not sure, I havent heard anything yet, but I have been internal facing a lot lately | 04:18 |
| krtaylor | I did hack some swift tools for log hosting | 04:19 |
| krtaylor | I am hoping to add those to the tools index in the wiki | 04:20 |
| krtaylor | but I need to get approval to push them out to my github | 04:20 |
| krtaylor | that is where a stackforge repo would really help | 04:20 |
| patrickeast | different policy for open sourcing stuff that way? | 04:21 |
| asselin_ | why's that different? | 04:21 |
| krtaylor | because it is somewhat under the openstack way of doing things, has already been approved for us to contribute | 04:22 |
| patrickeast | gotcha | 04:22 |
| krtaylor | big company, you understand :) | 04:22 |
| patrickeast | hehe yea | 04:22 |
| krtaylor | asselin_, I think I have intel for next week "highlighting a third party system", want to get on the agenda for the following week for your HP system? | 04:23 |
| asselin_ | patrickeast, had you tried disk image builder? | 04:23 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, sure | 04:23 |
| krtaylor | perfect, I'll make a section in the wiki | 04:23 |
| patrickeast | not yet, still working out some kinks in my ci system after moving it around/adding new stuff | 04:24 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, well...prefer to present in a morning time | 04:24 |
| krtaylor | asselin_, absolutely | 04:24 |
| krtaylor | so in 3 weeks | 04:24 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, yes | 04:24 |
| krtaylor | one of my team tried disk image builder, had some problems, I'm not sure what | 04:25 |
| asselin_ | fyi: dib is the way to go for anyone who hasn't start yet. | 04:25 |
| krtaylor | agreed | 04:25 |
| patrickeast | yea i'm pretty excited to try it out | 04:26 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, really? I had way less problems with it than the script approach | 04:26 |
| krtaylor | yeah, I'm not sure why, I need to follow up on that | 04:26 |
| patrickeast | doesn't it end up doing pretty much the same things? | 04:26 |
| asselin_ | much more modular and simpler to work around issues, debug, and way faster | 04:26 |
| asselin_ | patrickeast, the result is basically the same, but the process is better in every aspect I can think of | 04:27 |
| krtaylor | nice | 04:27 |
| asselin_ | actually, the result is much better too :) | 04:27 |
| patrickeast | very cool | 04:27 |
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| asselin_ | in our case I was adding some new nodepool providers. With DIB, they can start working right away, because the image is ready. | 04:28 |
| asselin_ | previously they would spend 2-6 hours building a new image before being operational | 04:28 |
| patrickeast | ahh yea, that is convienent, having to wait for a new image is a pain | 04:28 |
| patrickeast | oh ouch | 04:28 |
| patrickeast | mine only takes ~45 min | 04:29 |
| krtaylor | why so long? | 04:29 |
| patrickeast | is that from the network speeds? or are you using something different from the infra devstack node prep scripts? | 04:29 |
| asselin_ | not sure...it used to be fast. I think some of the images are very big and all the caching slows it down | 04:30 |
| asselin_ | also, it doesn't help that I have 16*2 providers all building at the same time. | 04:30 |
| patrickeast | yea that definitely would slow it down | 04:30 |
| asselin_ | I bet my systems got detected and squeezed into a smaller pipe | 04:30 |
| asselin_ | so dib scales much better | 04:31 |
| krtaylor | detected? hehheh | 04:31 |
| patrickeast | luckily right now i only have a single provider | 04:31 |
| patrickeast | will be adding more in for FC though, probably following a similar setup that you have | 04:31 |
| patrickeast | well | 04:32 |
| patrickeast | thats not true, i have two mirrored setups | 04:32 |
| patrickeast | one for dev/messing around with | 04:32 |
| asselin_ | i have 3: one for openstack, one for internal, and one for me to break | 04:32 |
| patrickeast | i like the idea of dib though so that i know the 'dev' one will be the exact same as the 'live' version | 04:32 |
| krtaylor | yes, we do too, very helpful, but we keep dev at tip and production is a static known working infra, much more stable that way | 04:34 |
| krtaylor | but we routinely break dev and have started another environment for really breaking things :) | 04:35 |
| patrickeast | hehe yea | 04:35 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, we are kinda free form tonight, is there anything you wanted to bring up? | 04:36 |
| patrickeast | nah, nothing here | 04:36 |
| patrickeast | i've finally got the last of my cinder changes through for kilo, so aside form testing and bug fixes i'm hoping to have more time to help out with the thirdparty things | 04:37 |
| krtaylor | excellent! | 04:38 |
| krtaylor | in one of the earlier meetings, we'l bring up liberty work, things happening that we want to be involved in | 04:39 |
| krtaylor | that will be coming up in the next few weeks | 04:39 |
| patrickeast | sounds good | 04:39 |
| krtaylor | as well as downstream-puppet (openstackci) | 04:39 |
| * asselin_ hopes to have openstackci working before the summit | 04:40 | |
| krtaylor | that would be great, if not, maybe we could work on it there | 04:41 |
| patrickeast | yea either way it would be pretty awesome | 04:41 |
| krtaylor | asselin_, I take it you are going, or is that dependent on the summit talk? | 04:41 |
| asselin_ | yeah. I think it would be a huge enable for more stuff | 04:41 |
| krtaylor | agreed | 04:41 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, I am going, I did get approved! :) | 04:42 |
| patrickeast | nice! | 04:42 |
| krtaylor | perfect | 04:43 |
| * krtaylor thinks we'll have to have a beverage session | 04:44 | |
| asselin_ | +1 | 04:44 |
| patrickeast | +1 | 04:44 |
| krtaylor | anything else to discuss? | 04:44 |
| asselin_ | not from me | 04:45 |
| patrickeast | same | 04:46 |
| krtaylor | alright, we'll wrap this up then | 04:47 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone! | 04:47 |
| asselin_ | goodnight | 04:47 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 04:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings" | 04:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 11 04:47:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-03-11-04.00.html | 04:47 |
| patrickeast | cya | 04:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-03-11-04.00.txt | 04:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-03-11-04.00.log.html | 04:47 |
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| garyk | any folks around for the vmware api meeting? | 09:59 |
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| garyk | any folks around for the vmware api meeting. | 10:01 |
| rgerganov | hi gary :) | 10:01 |
| garyk | rgerganov: hi | 10:01 |
| garyk | lets wait a few more minutes to see if we can get a quorum | 10:01 |
| rgerganov | sure | 10:01 |
| garyk | in the mean time we can try and understand if arsenal will manage to overcome monaco this evening | 10:03 |
| rgerganov | I still regret I missed the game last night with real | 10:04 |
| garyk | i was not even aware that there was a game. i was reviewing patches and then fell alseep (at about 9pm) | 10:04 |
| garyk | now i need to find the highlights | 10:04 |
| garyk | anyone else for the vmware api meeting? | 10:05 |
| garyk | if not i guess we can try and defer and wait for the next round…. | 10:05 |
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| garyk | ok. sadly there is no quorum. lets defer to two weeks time. i will send a mail to the list as a reminder before | 10:07 |
| yuyangbj | hi | 10:07 |
| garyk | yuyangbj: hi | 10:07 |
| garyk | no one is here for the meeting so we will defer to two weeks time. | 10:07 |
| yuyangbj | no one attend to this meeting besides us? | 10:08 |
| garyk | sorry | 10:08 |
| garyk | yuyangbj: correct. | 10:08 |
| yuyangbj | :) | 10:08 |
| yuyangbj | ok | 10:08 |
| garyk | for the next meeting i will send a reminder in the moring | 10:08 |
| garyk | rgerganov: yuyangbj: thanks for trying. hopefully next one. | 10:09 |
| garyk | i will send an agenda before - maybe that will help | 10:09 |
| rgerganov | thanks garyk | 10:09 |
| yuyangbj | thanks, maybe we can update our meeting in community meeting list? | 10:10 |
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| yuyangbj | and update our plan and schedule? | 10:10 |
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| garyk | yuyangbj: good idea | 10:11 |
| yuyangbj | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings | 10:14 |
| yuyangbj | not sure what is the right flow to create a meeting | 10:14 |
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| garyk | yuyangbj: please see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI | 10:17 |
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| garyk | looks like we need to update the other link too | 10:18 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: sorry, late | 16:25 |
| s3wong | yamahata: but I guess the meeting has ended? | 16:25 |
| yamahata | s3wong: no. not started. the time slot is specified by UTC. | 16:25 |
| s3wong | yamahata: yeah, you are right, sorry --- didn't remember | 16:26 |
| s3wong | yamahata: good :-) | 16:26 |
| yamahata | please remember day light saving time | 16:26 |
| yamahata | np | 16:26 |
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| yamahata | hello | 17:02 |
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| s3wong | hello | 17:03 |
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| yamahata | #startmeeting servicevm-device-manager | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 11 17:04:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 17:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'servicevm_device_manager' | 17:04 |
| * yamahata giving minutes for others... | 17:05 | |
| s3wong | yamahata: I quite honestly have nothing | 17:05 |
| yamahata | s3wong: agree. I don't have anything | 17:06 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: is OK to end the meeting early :-) | 17:06 |
| yamahata | I got contacted by prashant. | 17:06 |
| yamahata | that's it from me. | 17:06 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: oh, OK | 17:06 |
| yamahata | let's close the meeting early | 17:06 |
| s3wong | yamahata: that is good --- he is eager to work on Tacker | 17:06 |
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| yamahata | thanks bye | 17:07 |
| tcs | yamahata: s3wong: yes I am | 17:07 |
| yamahata | #endmeeting | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings" | 17:07 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 11 17:07:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2015/servicevm_device_manager.2015-03-11-17.04.html | 17:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2015/servicevm_device_manager.2015-03-11-17.04.txt | 17:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2015/servicevm_device_manager.2015-03-11-17.04.log.html | 17:07 |
| s3wong | bye :-) | 17:07 |
| yamahata | Oops | 17:07 |
| yamahata | tcs: you are there. | 17:07 |
| yamahata | tcs: do you have anything to discuss? | 17:08 |
| s3wong | tcs: good to have you join the team :-) | 17:08 |
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| SridharRamaswamy | yamahata: hi | 17:08 |
| s3wong | yamahata: seems like we might have closed the meeting too early :-) | 17:09 |
| tcs | yamahata: dev enviroment, I don't see stack.sh...how to bringup devstack | 17:09 |
| SridharRamaswamy | sorry, ran a bit late | 17:09 |
| yamahata | Ewww I'll open again | 17:09 |
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| yamahata | #startmeeting servicevm-device-manager | 17:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 11 17:09:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 17:09 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'servicevm_device_manager' | 17:09 |
| yamahata | #topic Open Discussion | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: servicevm-device-manager)" | 17:10 | |
| yamahata | #chair s3wong SridharRamaswamy tcs | 17:10 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridharRamaswamy s3wong tcs yamahata | 17:10 |
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| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: one thing i want discuss .. you mentioned tacker could ultimately support more than openstack on the SB | 17:11 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: yes | 17:11 |
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| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: the most obvious one would actually be hardware appliances | 17:11 |
| SridharRamaswamy | that would mean everything hitting the so-called "VIM" needs to be pluggable ? | 17:11 |
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| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: an "instance" of service "VM" would be hosted on the hardware appliance, for example | 17:12 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: yes | 17:12 |
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| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: start an instance, the image for the instance, the network port for the instance to plug into...etc | 17:12 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: all these should be abstracted out | 17:13 |
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| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: the implication is not just nova call .. even VM templates / catalog cannot directly bind to say for e.g. glance API for image mgmt | 17:13 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: good point, I haven't looked into how Glance is being consumed by Nova | 17:13 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: are Glance APIs consumed directly by Nova? or there are also tenant APIs? | 17:14 |
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| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: is there is direct call from Nova to Glance (as it is from Nova to Neutron), then we don't abstract out the calls between plugins | 17:15 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: I'm not sure .. i'd imagine that would be the case | 17:15 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: we would simply mandate that with Nova driver you need to have Glance | 17:15 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: yeah, | 17:15 |
| yamahata | Nova directly calls glance rest API | 17:15 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: we would simply get the northbound APIs to enable them | 17:16 |
| yamahata | at least with libvirt driver | 17:16 |
| s3wong | yamahata: there must be user / tenant inputs though, right? | 17:16 |
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| SridharRamaswamy | yamahata: you bring up a good point .. I've seen openstack used to control VMware env (vCenter) | 17:17 |
| yamahata | s3wong: yes.I guess it just reuse the one passed to nova. | 17:17 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: the OpenStack orchestrated vCenter is now an official product from VMware | 17:18 |
| yamahata | nova.image.glance | 17:18 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: so user would need to specify the image via Nova, right? | 17:18 |
| s3wong | yamahata, SridharRamaswamy: if so, then our image management APIs would invoke those from Nova instead of Glance, which is fine :-) | 17:19 |
| yamahata | yes, user applies id for image to nova boot command | 17:19 |
| yamahata | then nova downloads image from glance using the supplied image id | 17:19 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: that doesn't make sense | 17:19 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: how so? | 17:20 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: user would create entries in the catalog which inturn will call glance API to store the VNF image | 17:20 |
| yamahata | but to manage image itself, we need to use glance command. not nova command | 17:20 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: Nova would just reference the image-id and grab it from glance during the nova boot | 17:20 |
| SridharRamaswamy | the typical openstack flow is sufficient for VNF catalog functions | 17:21 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy, yamahata: fair enough --- then those commands would be abstracted by Tacker which would in turn invoke Glance APIs | 17:21 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: yep | 17:21 |
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| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: I am not proposing we reinvent the wheel (that would not make sense), but I am advocating that we need to not bind it to OpenStack calls directly | 17:22 |
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| SridharRamaswamy | define_vnf(http-url-to-img, vnf-properties) --> glance-image-create() | 17:22 |
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| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: exactly | 17:22 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: sounds good, define_vnf() would be tacker API | 17:23 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: I mean --- instead of calling glance-image-create, we just go through a set of higher level APIs that would map to the OpenStack native APIs | 17:23 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: absolutely | 17:24 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: yamahata: I know we have some existing API but given we are rebooting tacker .. shall we attempt to redefine tacker API from scratch | 17:24 |
| SridharRamaswamy | and see how matches with what is already in the repo and go from there | 17:25 |
| SridharRamaswamy | (instead of other way around) | 17:25 |
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| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: I am fine with that | 17:25 |
| yamahata | SridharRamaswamy: I have no objection, quite fine. | 17:25 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy, yamahata: and it would also allow us to better define the scope of Tacker | 17:26 |
| s3wong | now that we are doing VNF Manager... | 17:26 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: EXACTLY ! | 17:26 |
| SridharRamaswamy | define the API .. you define your produce :) | 17:26 |
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| SridharRamaswamy | *product | 17:26 |
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| s3wong | :-) | 17:27 |
| SridharRamaswamy | Should we attempt to write up the API in the wiki ? | 17:28 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: how do you propose we should proceed? do it via some Google doc? | 17:28 |
| SridharRamaswamy | we should use the new ETSI-ish nomenclature | 17:29 |
| yamahata | I'm fine with any way. wiki google-doc, gerrit... | 17:29 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: do you have the ETSI document? | 17:29 |
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| SridharRamaswamy | Not off my hand, but I can send it to you offline .. that would be their public ETSI-MANO document | 17:30 |
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| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: OK, that would be great | 17:30 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: from there, we can write what our projected APIs would be, and discuss | 17:30 |
| SridharRamaswamy | Sounds good. I'd vote to keep it super simple - wiki or gerritt lets not do google doc.. it was a pain in the last round | 17:32 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: yes, let do Wiki then | 17:32 |
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| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: sounds good | 17:32 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: you want to create a wiki page under serviceVM and send the link to us? | 17:33 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: sure, will do | 17:33 |
| yamahata | #action SridharRamaswamy create a wiki page under serviceVM and send the link | 17:33 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: Thanks! | 17:33 |
| yamahata | thank you | 17:33 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: did you know more details about telefonica's openmano.. | 17:33 |
| SridharRamaswamy | their github is empty :( | 17:34 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: nothing at all | 17:34 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: seems like we would have to wait for code becoming available | 17:34 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy: in the meantime, as we discussed in the email, there's still value to have VNF Manager in OpenStack repo | 17:34 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s3wong: agree | 17:35 |
| s3wong | (at least that's what we are hoping :-) ) | 17:35 |
| SridharRamaswamy | anything else ? | 17:36 |
| s3wong | SridharRamaswamy, yamahata: that's it for me | 17:36 |
| yamahata | nothing from me. | 17:36 |
| yamahata | okay to close the meeting? | 17:37 |
| SridharRamaswamy | yamahata: sure | 17:37 |
| s3wong | yamahata: please go ahead | 17:37 |
| yamahata | thank you bye | 17:37 |
| s3wong | bye | 17:37 |
| yamahata | #endmeeting | 17:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings" | 17:37 | |
| SridharRamaswamy | bye | 17:37 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 11 17:37:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2015/servicevm_device_manager.2015-03-11-17.09.html | 17:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2015/servicevm_device_manager.2015-03-11-17.09.txt | 17:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2015/servicevm_device_manager.2015-03-11-17.09.log.html | 17:37 |
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| jokke_ | anyone here for Logging WG? | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:06 |
| nkrinner | o/ | 20:06 |
| Nikolay_St | o/ | 20:06 |
| nkrinner | (but i have nothing to tell) | 20:06 |
| jokke_ | #startmeeting log-wg | 20:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 11 20:06:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: log-wg)" | 20:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:06 |
| jokke_ | so we have empty agenda and Rocky is also in the ops meetup | 20:07 |
| Nikolay_St | guys, I miss the first meeting. what was it about? and what do we plan to discuss. | 20:07 |
| jokke_ | I promised to chair this in the case we have something that people wants to bring up. Otherwise we'll have really short one | 20:07 |
| Nikolay_St | sorry for this question, it wasn't completely clear from mailing list | 20:07 |
| jokke_ | I did not actually check the agenda yesterday when I volunteered ;) | 20:08 |
| Nikolay_St | :d | 20:08 |
| nkrinner | so i think we had some action items from the last meeting. does anybody have something to report here? | 20:08 |
| jokke_ | Nikolay_St: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/ there is the logs/minutes from last week | 20:09 |
| nkrinner | i saw jokke_ wrote a mail to the devel mailing list, but with little response iirc | 20:09 |
| jokke_ | yeah did not seem to get that much attraction | 20:09 |
| jokke_ | Liaisons page has pretty much only people here listed ;) | 20:10 |
| Nikolay_St | jokke_: thx, I miss it :) | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | everyone is focused on finishing the work they need to do before the feature freeze next week | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: you may want to wait until the 23rd and send your email again | 20:11 |
| jokke_ | there was couple of other actions, but I doubt as usual no assignments nothing done | 20:11 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: I was thinking that as well ... the timing might not be the best one for something that is bit abstract and does not have good surface for bikeshedding :P | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | has anyone started making a list of the logging changes that we might want to make? for example, "when cinder does X it logs extra messages", or at the wrong level, or whatever | 20:12 |
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| dhellmann | jokke_: speaking of concrete actions ^^ | 20:13 |
| Nikolay_St | dhellmann: I have smthg like that in my mind about Sahara | 20:13 |
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| dhellmann | Nikolay_St: it would be good to pull notes about those sorts of things together into an etherpad so we can all add to it. Then we can either open bugs, or use the etherpad as a checklist as we make the relevant changes. | 20:13 |
| Nikolay_St | dhellmann: ok, make sense | 20:14 |
| Nikolay_St | dhellmann: I'm not focus on it right now, just some notices while implement 'correct logging' | 20:14 |
| nkrinner | i have similar ideas about heat, but was unable to work on it as i am out of office busy with something else this week | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | Nikolay_St: right, we don't have to build the whole list all at once, but if we share the list we can get ideas of what to look for in other projects and we will know what has already been noted | 20:15 |
| Nikolay_St | btw, should I put a link to Sahara loggins spec here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LogWorkingGroup#Specs? | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | telling the developers "fix logging" is not a useful request, but telling them, "here are 350 ways logging can be improved" is | 20:15 |
| Nikolay_St | dhellmann: yeap, get it :) | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | Nikolay_St: maybe you could take an action to create that etherpad to get us started? | 20:16 |
| jokke_ | should instruct naming format and add those etherpads to the wg wiki by the time someone brings such situations up as dhellmann referred above? | 20:16 |
| Nikolay_St | dhellmann: no problem :) | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: it would give us something concrete for this group to be working on, too :-) | 20:17 |
| Nikolay_St | jokke_: good idea | 20:17 |
| jokke_ | something like {project}-Logging-Improvements ... and listing those on one place ... I really would not like to see just one etherpad with all mixed together? | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | #action Nikolay_St create an etherpad to hold notes about specific logging issues in applications | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | Nikolay_St: thanks! | 20:17 |
| jokke_ | and if those etherpads are not listed, no-one will remember them ;P | 20:17 |
| jokke_ | gr8 | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: let's start with one etherpad for now. We aren't going to be listing files and line numbers, just general notes | 20:17 |
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| dhellmann | as it grows, we'll see if we have to move to multiple pads or to bugs or something else | 20:18 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: nope, I'm just afraid that those general notes becomes like the -dev mailing list just with a difference that you can't filter it :P | 20:18 |
| Nikolay_St | dhellmann: multiple etherpads look good to me too | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: well, right now we just have a bunch of amorphous wishes to make things better, so let's start making a concrete list and see where that takes us | 20:19 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: ++ | 20:20 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: it's always easier to make things better when people tells you what actually annoys them on current behavior | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: ++ | 20:21 |
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| jokke_ | #action jokke_ will try to pull more attention to the priority e-mail after 23rd of March | 20:22 |
| jokke_ | I'm not sure where this came last week "Identify guidelines that can make sense to add to Hacking" and I'm not sure this is really the right timing to spend time on something like that either | 20:23 |
| jokke_ | again action item that was not tagged to anyone | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | it will be difficult to enforce these guidelines automatically, so I think we should focus on small concrete improvements before worrying about that | 20:23 |
| Nikolay_St | dhellmann: +1 | 20:24 |
| jokke_ | on X-project meeting yesterday there was mentioned that the request ID spec got new iteration but is apparently still under Cinder ... anyone has info about that? | 20:24 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: exactly | 20:24 |
| Nikolay_St | jokke_: not me | 20:25 |
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| dhellmann | jokke_: the filename still has "cinder" in it, irrc | 20:26 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: was it actually on the openstack-specs repo or is it still in cider repo as well? | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: https://review.openstack.org/156508 | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | that's to the openstack-specs repo | 20:28 |
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| bknudson | what does the work item "Add support to check type of response returned by cinder-client in cross-projects" mean? | 20:30 |
| bknudson | (wishes hacking could be smart enough to figure out if the logs were inadequate!!) | 20:31 |
| bknudson | but then we'd all be out of work. | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: ok ... well that's good at least that it's there ... filename is easy fix to do ;) | 20:31 |
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| bknudson | btw - tokens from keystone now have an audit_id field, so this could be handy for tracking requests. | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: it would be useful to add that comment to the spec; I think we have 3 different groups trying to get request_ids into all requests now for tracking for different purposes. | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | they all seem to be just part-time, though, so there's no real traction | 20:33 |
| bknudson | if we could use the token audit_id along with a "key" configured in the request ID middleware we could have the request ID authenticated and not have to deal with it changing between services. | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: that sounds like a useful approach | 20:34 |
| bknudson | dhellmann: are there x-project specs for other efforts? | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: no, those predate the xp specs repo | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | the stacktach and rally folks both wanted this feature, iirc | 20:36 |
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| bknudson | trying to figure out the best way to move forward here... I feel like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156508/ is way too limited, if it's only about cinder client. | 20:39 |
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| jokke_ | bknudson: ++ | 20:45 |
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| stevelle | that spec mentions a "larger effort to log request ID mappings across service boundaries" but do we have any spec on that yet? | 20:52 |
| stevelle | is there a place we can reference the statement of purpose for this? | 20:53 |
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| jokke_ | stevelle: that is the spec ... I think there is lots of work to do on that | 20:53 |
| jokke_ | so did we have something else for today before we run out of time or do we spend the last 5min around that? | 20:54 |
| stevelle | jokke_: I was hoping that wasn't the answer we had, but I guess that means we get to ensure it is reviewed carefully | 20:54 |
| jokke_ | stevelle: yeah I think that spec needs to become 10 fold more specific before we even seriously start reviewing it ... those quotes are really good bad example it being just idea throw out without anything that could be tracked | 20:56 |
| bknudson | if we're doing something for all clients then it should probably be in keystoneclient's session code. | 20:57 |
| Nikolay_St | guys, time | 20:58 |
| bknudson | maybe we'll have more energy next week. | 20:59 |
| bknudson | busy times. | 20:59 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: I don't think that's right place either because then we limit it only on keystone enviroments | 20:59 |
| jokke_ | but thatks everyone! | 20:59 |
| jokke_ | thanks even | 20:59 |
| bknudson | all clients use keystoneclient session | 20:59 |
| bknudson | for auth | 20:59 |
| jokke_ | k | 21:00 |
| stevelle | lets make sure to continue this next week on that | 21:00 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 11 21:00:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-03-11-20.06.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-03-11-20.06.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-03-11-20.06.log.html | 21:00 |
| jokke_ | please add to agenda! | 21:00 |
| nkrinner | thanks everybody | 21:00 |
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