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| crinkle | o/ | 15:00 |
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| clayton | here | 15:00 |
| crinkle | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 2 15:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is crinkle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| Hunner | o/ | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:00 |
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| crinkle | Emilien is still in the middle of canada so he asked me to run the meeting | 15:01 |
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| crinkle | #topic Review past action items | 15:01 |
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| mfisch | morning! | 15:01 |
| crinkle | "sbadia asks on ML to get some help on rspec & puppet4 work" - sbadia isn't here but I know there's been some progress there | 15:02 |
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| Hunner | Sounds like _ody has volunteered | 15:02 |
| Hunner | And he started working on it at the summit | 15:02 |
| spredzy | thanks _ody for that ! | 15:03 |
| Hunner | (Cody Herriges, _ody on irc) | 15:03 |
| crinkle | awesome | 15:03 |
| mfisch | is _ody from Puppet Labs? | 15:03 |
| crinkle | yes | 15:03 |
| Hunner | mfisch: He has short red hair | 15:04 |
| crinkle | "EmilienM push beaker tests to puppet-tripleo" - sounds like emilien will work on this when he gets back | 15:04 |
| Hunner | You might have seen him at the summit | 15:04 |
| crinkle | "mfisch to cleanup http://stackalytics.com Puppet groups" - that happened already | 15:04 |
| mfisch | crinkle: yep thats been done, remove it from the actions for next week | 15:04 |
| crinkle | "spredzy and sbadia work on the msync automatization" - spredzy why does it say postpone? | 15:04 |
| spredzy | I just added it because we didnt have time to work on it | 15:05 |
| spredzy | So I ll get the review ready for next week meeting | 15:05 |
| crinkle | okay awesome | 15:05 |
| spredzy | I am talking about the post-merge hook in openstack-infra | 15:05 |
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| crinkle | #topic summit recap | 15:06 |
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| crinkle | #link http://my1.fr/blog/puppet-openstack-plans-for-liberty/ | 15:07 |
| crinkle | Emilien wrote up a pretty good summary ^ | 15:07 |
| crinkle | there were some action items I want to follow up on | 15:07 |
| crinkle | "ACTION [emilien]: get blessing from openstack to use openstack namespace available in puppetforge" - I'm sure he hasn't had time, and I wonder if we might also want to consider a different namespace | 15:08 |
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| mfisch | I'd like to get a firm yes/no before picking something else | 15:08 |
| crinkle | that seems reasonable | 15:09 |
| _ody | Had to skip shower, coffee, and breakfast to get kid to school in time to get back to my laptop...still 9 minutes late. | 15:09 |
| crinkle | _ody: o/ | 15:09 |
| crinkle | "ACTION [hunner?]: what about redirecting stackforge namespaces?" - Hunner is that something that's within the realm of possibility? | 15:10 |
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| _ody | github? | 15:11 |
| crinkle | _ody: no the puppet forge | 15:11 |
| mfisch | I think he thought no, but was going to confirm | 15:11 |
| Hunner | come back to me inna sec | 15:11 |
| crinkle | k | 15:11 |
| Hunner | in two meetings at once >_< | 15:11 |
| crinkle | "ACTION (no assignee): see if we can get puppet-module-generate with skeleton working" - I think spredzy was going to work on that but it didn't get captured in the etherpad | 15:11 |
| mfisch | yes that was hid | 15:11 |
| mfisch | his | 15:11 |
| spredzy | We did the work with sbadia and puppet-module-skeleton wasn't felxible enough for our needs | 15:12 |
| spredzy | hence we turned to cookiecutter | 15:12 |
| spredzy | A mail was sent to the ML to let the community know about the progress we've made, and that if we agree on a name we can push the project to stackforge | 15:12 |
| crinkle | oh I see the email now | 15:13 |
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| spredzy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064608.html | 15:13 |
| spredzy | So if we agree with EmilienM|off suggestion, I can mke the review on openstack-infra | 15:13 |
| spredzy | keeping his suggestion as the name of the project | 15:13 |
| mfisch | spredzy: I like Emilien's name better too | 15:14 |
| crinkle | +1 | 15:14 |
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| spredzy | #action spredzy submit a review in openstack-infra to integration the cookiecutter templates | 15:14 |
| spredzy | erf s/integration/integrate | 15:14 |
| crinkle | and the next action item was about msync which we can talk about next week | 15:15 |
| spredzy | yep | 15:15 |
| crinkle | "[ACTION] (no assignee) email openstack-dev with example code from at least one provide using the new pattern for parameter defaults" - I don't think I saw an email for this, did I miss it? | 15:15 |
| crinkle | and I don't remember who was assigned | 15:15 |
| clayton | I had volunteered to look into it before the summit | 15:16 |
| spredzy | I had spent some time to work on the ini_file provider to consider undef as absent but haven't make breakthough there yet | 15:16 |
| Hunner | crinkle: For my action, I'm asking again, but I have a feeling that redirects on the forge will not happen... dependencies and all that are hard. Also no update on if openstack can let us use the openstack forge namespace | 15:17 |
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| Hunner | I'm in another meeting that goes until 8:30; sorry | 15:18 |
| crinkle | Hunner: that's my feeling too | 15:18 |
| crinkle | Hunner: no problem | 15:18 |
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| _ody | Hunner: We can at least depricate/delete modules release there and manually redirect people. | 15:18 |
| crinkle | clayton: spredzy can one of you take the #action to create a POC and submit it to the ml ? | 15:18 |
| Hunner | _ody: yeah. Especially since OS people don't use the forge too often :) | 15:19 |
| * Hunner gets back on-topic | 15:19 | |
| spredzy | clayton, can we talk about that after the meeting so we know we are on the same line and send the email after ward ? | 15:19 |
| clayton | spredzy: sure | 15:19 |
| spredzy | #action spredzy,claryton create a POC and send an email to the ML about parameter default policy | 15:20 |
| crinkle | #action spredzy and clayton to work on parameter resources | 15:20 |
| crinkle | #undo | 15:20 |
| clayton | spredzy: I think this also potentially includes specifying old parameter names to the inifile provider, so that we can ease between versions better. | 15:20 |
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| crinkle | last action item from the summit worth mentioning is "make a BP for virtualenv support" which I think belongs to clayton or mfisch | 15:21 |
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| clayton | I'm not convinced we should actually do it, but I plan to investigate it further after we get our kilo upgrade done | 15:21 |
| clayton | so you can assign it to me | 15:21 |
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| crinkle | #action clayton to investigate virtualenv support and possibly create a blueprint | 15:22 |
| crinkle | is there anything else from the summit that anyone wants to bring up? | 15:22 |
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| spredzy | nop | 15:24 |
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| crinkle | #topic releases | 15:25 |
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| crinkle | We went way too long without doing a minor juno release, so I want to make sure we do that before we do a kilo release | 15:25 |
| crinkle | I've been working on going through commits and backporting bugfixes and backwards-compatible features | 15:26 |
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| mfisch | thanks for that | 15:26 |
| spredzy | +1 thanks | 15:26 |
| crinkle | I've skipped the ones that are just updating tests and most of the ones that wouldn't cleanly cherry-pick | 15:26 |
| crinkle | and probably just accidentally missed others | 15:26 |
| Hunner | crinkle++ nice | 15:26 |
| crinkle | so if you've made backwards-compatible commits this cycle it would help if you went back and cherry-picked your own commit | 15:27 |
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| crinkle | #info please help cherry-pick important bugfixes and backwards-compatible features to stable/juno for releases | 15:28 |
| crinkle | wrt the kilo release, at the summit we said we wanted to wait for keystone v3 support (so please help richm, gildub, and ivan with that effort), is there anything else blocking the kilo release? | 15:29 |
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| crinkle | other configuration changes that we need to update for? | 15:31 |
| mfisch | I'm sure there's more deprecations | 15:32 |
| mfisch | did we land all the rabbit ones? | 15:32 |
| crinkle | no, I still have to "revert "revert"" patches in my queue | 15:32 |
| crinkle | two* | 15:32 |
| clayton | I don't know that it should block, but I recently discovered that the auth_uri changes at least for neutron are broken. That said, it doesn't appear that auth_host, auth_port etc were actually deprecated in kilo | 15:32 |
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| clayton | I suspect we may have the same problem in other modules | 15:32 |
| crinkle | yuck | 15:33 |
| clayton | I have a patch up to fix neutron, it'd be easy to check the other modules and do similar work there | 15:34 |
| clayton | the issue is that the underlying provider hadn't been updated to use auth_uri if it was in the config file, it still assumes auth_host/etc are there. | 15:34 |
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| crinkle | oh, I saw that was fixed in one module | 15:35 |
| crinkle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160845/ | 15:35 |
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| crinkle | so that should be easy enough to fix? | 15:35 |
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| crinkle | clayton: since you did the work for neutron can you take the action to work on the other modules? | 15:36 |
| clayton | yes, it's not a hard fix, my neutron review is here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186863/ | 15:36 |
| clayton | I wanted to get the neutron change merged first ;) | 15:36 |
| crinkle | okay :) | 15:37 |
| crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186863/ | 15:37 |
| crinkle | #action clayton to help fix auth_uri issues in providers | 15:37 |
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| crinkle | #topic What to do about abandoned changes? | 15:38 |
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| crinkle | _ody: was this you? | 15:38 |
| mfisch | I think so | 15:38 |
| _ody | Yep. | 15:38 |
| mfisch | I assume that there's some overall community policy or best practice here | 15:39 |
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| mfisch | Personally I just remove myself from the review list if I feel its not going anywhere | 15:39 |
| _ody | Having them just sitting there made it a little confusing as I re-enter active involvment. | 15:39 |
| crinkle | I'm not sure there is an overall policy | 15:40 |
| mfisch | crinkle: can you find out what the rest of the community does? | 15:40 |
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| crinkle | mfisch: I don't think the other groups have agreed on a policy | 15:40 |
| crinkle | I think this is the closest there is to a policy https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReviewGuidelines#Abandoning_patches | 15:41 |
| mfisch | crinkle: not a polcy but a practice | 15:41 |
| _ody | What are similar policies in the wild? | 15:42 |
| _ody | Hunner: Does module team have a policy on pull requests? | 15:42 |
| mfisch | I've not heard of one, I figured crinkle would be the best to ask some colleagues | 15:43 |
| crinkle | I think the two camps are 1) it's not hurting anyone to let it sit there so let it sit, and 2) cores can clean it up after X time | 15:43 |
| crinkle | we should decide which is better for our group | 15:43 |
| Hunner | _ody: We close after 1 month of waiting on the other person | 15:43 |
| mfisch | I think I'm in camp 1.5, but after a year, I think abandoning it is fine. They can always restore | 15:43 |
| Hunner | Unless it's a special case | 15:43 |
| mfisch | or even 6 months, its unlikely to be mergable anymore | 15:43 |
| _ody | I prefer the latter...old stales reviews makes a project look less active than it is. | 15:44 |
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| Hunner | Yeah that's the thing... they become unmergable within a very short amount of time, and we get a LOT of drive-byes | 15:44 |
| clayton | I prefer autoclose after some number of months | 15:44 |
| Hunner | And drive-bys won't rebase | 15:44 |
| crinkle | it was mentioned yesterday that an auto-abandoned change might have contributed to the kerfluffle we had last week, where a change was abandoned and a newer contributor didn't know how to restore it to keep working on it | 15:44 |
| _ody | crinkle: What was the basis for the auto-abandon? | 15:45 |
| crinkle | _ody: back then patches would get auto-abandoned after having a -1 for one week | 15:45 |
| _ody | ah. | 15:46 |
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| mfisch | -1 on that | 15:46 |
| _ody | yeah, really. | 15:46 |
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| Hunner | I wouldn't base the abandon on +1/-1 etc. Just months of inactivity | 15:47 |
| mfisch | I have no issue closing an unmergable change > 1 year old, but I might comment on it first and ask if they intend to work on it more | 15:47 |
| mfisch | even 6 months is probably ok | 15:47 |
| crinkle | do we want to agree on a timeline for that? 6 months? | 15:48 |
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| Hunner | Oh yeah, we comment asking for further action planned, and if > 1 month no response then we close | 15:48 |
| spredzy | I tend to agree w/ 6 month (a cycle) | 15:48 |
| _ody | I'd totally being willing to get you down to 3 months but would be ok with 6. | 15:48 |
| Hunner | 6 months sounds good to start, and can shorten if there is no difference between 1 month or 6 | 15:48 |
| clayton | I agree with cody | 15:48 |
| mfisch | wfm | 15:49 |
| Hunner | or 3 or 6... I bet longer times won't actually make more than a 5% difference | 15:49 |
| clayton | do we control the wording of the auto-abandon email they get? | 15:49 |
| mfisch | I'd give 1 week for them to respond to the "Are you still working on this" | 15:49 |
| crinkle | I don't think we should auto-abandon, we should manually abandon | 15:49 |
| _ody | crinkle: Agreed. | 15:49 |
| crinkle | so a human has to go through and send a message saying "are you still working on this?" | 15:49 |
| mfisch | agree, we can alsways iterate on this | 15:49 |
| clayton | ah, ok, I see. | 15:50 |
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| mfisch | so a little birdie just recommended this tool to me: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/tools/abandon_old_reviews.sh | 15:50 |
| mfisch | could be tweaked ^ | 15:50 |
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| Hunner | +1 | 15:50 |
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| mfisch | can we move on? | 15:51 |
| crinkle | I don't really think it's necessary to automate it, there aren't that many that need to be abandoned and it's more friendly if there's a custom message | 15:52 |
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| crinkle | I can write up an email to the ml to propose a policy and then formalize it in the wiki, sound good? | 15:52 |
| mfisch | +1 | 15:52 |
| _ody | +1 | 15:52 |
| mfisch | #action crinkle to propose review abandonment policy | 15:52 |
| crinkle | thanks | 15:53 |
| crinkle | #topic Discussing the sync_db uniformization effort | 15:53 |
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| crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185601/ | 15:53 |
| crinkle | was this spredzy ? | 15:53 |
| spredzy | crinkle, yes | 15:53 |
| spredzy | During the summit we mentioned that we should work toward a common user experience across all modules | 15:54 |
| spredzy | And this sync_db is the first step I wanted to take | 15:54 |
| spredzy | By having it the way it is, we can add the ::sync_db class in the composition layer | 15:54 |
| spredzy | since they are now in their own classes | 15:54 |
| spredzy | so 1. I wanted to have feedback from people | 15:55 |
| spredzy | and 2. wnated to know the thought ofthe community about clayton review | 15:55 |
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| clayton | I don't feel strongly about the path issue, but it's something we may want to agree on separately | 15:55 |
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| spredzy | If you guys tend to agree with it could you review it so I can move on with the change in all subsequent reviews | 15:56 |
| crinkle | I think mgagne had a concern that wrapping an exec in a defined type doesn't really accomplish that much, and I tend to agree | 15:57 |
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| spredzy | Well doing that if we need to change anything arund this exec you just do it in one spot | 15:58 |
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| spredzy | Dan mentioned refreshonly was useless then basicaly you just change it at a single spot | 15:58 |
| spredzy | same thing if we want to add thing on top of it | 15:58 |
| crinkle | spredzy: we're running out of time, could you email the list about this? | 15:58 |
| clayton | crinkle: I do think having a type for it ends up with cleaner looking deps in the modules themselves. | 15:59 |
| spredzy | crinkle, sure | 15:59 |
| clayton | but clearly opinions on that can differ | 15:59 |
| crinkle | we already have things like http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/puppet-keystone/tree/manifests/db/sync.pp | 15:59 |
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| crinkle | #action spredzy to request feedback on db_sync type on ml | 15:59 |
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| crinkle | #topic Fix release bugs | 16:00 |
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| spredzy | crinkle, look at https://github.com/stackforge/puppet-openstacklib/blob/master/manifests/db/postgresql.pp | 16:00 |
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| spredzy | so I thought it was the objective of openstacklib (will mail the ML)( | 16:00 |
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| crinkle | thanks spredzy | 16:00 |
| mfisch | we're out of time | 16:00 |
| mfisch | would like to cover bugs and milestones next week | 16:01 |
| crinkle | okay | 16:01 |
| crinkle | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 2 16:01:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-06-02-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-06-02-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-06-02-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
| crinkle | thanks everyone | 16:01 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting gslb | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 2 16:01:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gslb' | 16:01 |
| dougwig | #topic Intro | 16:01 |
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| dougwig | hiya folks, who all is here for the GLB meeting today? | 16:01 |
| xgerman | o/ | 16:01 |
| Kiall | Heya | 16:01 |
| mugsie | o/ | 16:01 |
| jmcbride | o/ | 16:01 |
| timsim | o/ | 16:01 |
| dougwig | #chair Kiall | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Kiall dougwig | 16:02 |
| KunalGandhi | o/ | 16:02 |
| vivek-ebay | o/ | 16:02 |
| rjrjr_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| Kiall | Not too bad a turnout :) | 16:02 |
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| Kiall | dougwig: want to get things started? | 16:02 |
| Santosh_NS | Hi All | 16:02 |
| dougwig | nice. anyone have an agenda, or should we just discuss use cases/interests of those attending? | 16:03 |
| Kiall | I reckon we start with Intros, since lots of people here don't know each other.. | 16:03 |
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| mugsie | KunalGandhi: you sent the inital email - do you have an overview of what you were thinking? | 16:03 |
| KunalGandhi | Yes.. we can go over the interests and use cases.. we might want to start with a GLB intro | 16:03 |
| Kiall | I'll go first.. Kiall, PTL for the Designate DNS service. | 16:03 |
| KunalGandhi | ok | 16:03 |
| Kiall | (with HP btw ;)) | 16:04 |
| mugsie | Graham: designate-core | 16:04 |
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| vivek-ebay | Vivek from eBay/Paypal. work on LBaaS solution | 16:04 |
| KunalGandhi | Go ahead Kiall.. | 16:04 |
| timsim | Tim: designate-core (Rackspace) | 16:04 |
| dougwig | i'm dougwig, services rep for neutron and lbaas, and also representing A10, so watch me juggle my open-source and vendor hats. | 16:04 |
| KunalGandhi | Kunal Gandhi from eBay/PayPal. LBaaS solution | 16:04 |
| jmcbride | Joe McBride, Rackspace | 16:05 |
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| johnbelamaric | John Belamaric from Infoblox | 16:05 |
| Kiall | xgerman: still on? ;) | 16:05 |
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| xgerman | yep | 16:05 |
| rjrjr_ | Ron from eBay/PayPal. Work on Designate. | 16:05 |
| xgerman | German, HP, Octavia core, work on LBaaS | 16:05 |
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| mugsie | ok then, KunalGandhi do want to give the overview? I think that is everyone | 16:06 |
| Kiall | Okay, Intro's out of the way! KunalGandhi / dougwig - as mugsie said, you guys kicked this off - so want to give some intro on you're initial thoughts/ideas/use-cases? | 16:06 |
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| dougwig | #topic Use cases | 16:06 |
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| Santosh_NS | Santosh Citrix NetScaler | 16:06 |
| KunalGandhi | I can start. | 16:06 |
| dougwig | KunalGandhi: want to get this started? | 16:06 |
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| KunalGandhi | So as mentioned in the email, we would like to work with the community on adding GLB API's to LBaaS. | 16:08 |
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| Kiall | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064617.html | 16:09 |
| KunalGandhi | So currently we added API's to our home-grown solution, which includes managing GLB entities like Global Name, Pools and Members on the Global Load Balancer | 16:09 |
| barclaac | Do you have any ideas on what you'd like the API to look like? | 16:09 |
| dougwig | a quick level-set on global server load-balancing (GLB or GSLB), which is basically the front-end being DNS, and the back-end being the more traditional load-balancing stuff of health-monitoring, performance monitoring, geo-location, fastest connection, lightest loaded, highest cost, etc.. | 16:09 |
| dougwig | does that differ from what anyone else is expecting? | 16:09 |
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| Kiall | dougwig: sounds about right to me. | 16:09 |
| barclaac | We should also make sure that we could handle geo-lb based on either src IP or BGP reachability of the DNS server | 16:09 |
| KunalGandhi | The GLB entities also has some LB like stuff - health monitoring etc | 16:09 |
| ekarlso | o/ btw | 16:10 |
| barclaac | not saying we'd implement but don't have the API be incapable | 16:10 |
| KunalGandhi | @barclaac .. I agree | 16:10 |
| Kiall | since barclaac missed the intro's.. Alex is dev manager for the HP DNS and LB teams. | 16:10 |
| barclaac | Kiall puts up with me so well ;-) | 16:11 |
| KunalGandhi | So i wanted to understand the designate side of this.. Can someone help me explain that ? | 16:11 |
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| Kiall | KunalGandhi: sure.. I guess I can explain where I see Designate fit here. | 16:11 |
| KunalGandhi | @Kiall .. ok. | 16:12 |
| mugsie | KunalGandhi: I feel that (at least initially) there won't be much custom Designate work | 16:12 |
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| mugsie | i think the API will orchestrate GSLB via the Designate API | 16:12 |
| mugsie | using what we have currently | 16:12 |
| Kiall | So, as dougwig mentioned.. GSLB typically starts with DNS out front - often embedded in the GSLB platform itself. This is done to allow for automation on the DNS zones where, in a typical IT environment, the best automation you can do on DNS is a ticket with IT. | 16:13 |
| KunalGandhi | So the main GLB API to do health monitoring, geo-lb, etc would sit in LBaaS right ? | 16:13 |
| Kiall | DNS zoned for GSLB tyically have a very low TTL, 5 min or under, and list out all the GSLB frontends. Sometimes combined with Geo-IP. | 16:13 |
| barclaac | I'm thinking it's a new endpoint. | 16:13 |
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| dougwig | let's worry about where the endpoint lives later, and just talk about what each piece is likely doing right now. | 16:13 |
| barclaac | I'm not sure the neutron API server would want to know that | 16:13 |
| Kiall | dougwig: ++ | 16:13 |
| mugsie | KunalGandhi: Geo-IP is on the designate road map, but not in this cycle ... there is a lot of work to do around it | 16:14 |
| Kiall | So, as far as Designate is concerned, ideally, the LBaaS piece which provides monitoring, multi region LB endpoints etc, is simply a client to Designate. | 16:14 |
| dougwig | mugsie: i think the first step is an interface; designate doesn't have to implement it all. | 16:15 |
| mugsie | dougwig: ++ | 16:15 |
| xgerman | ++ | 16:15 |
| KunalGandhi | @dougwig .. so the LBaaS Piece is responsible for Global entities and Health monitoring etc.. what would the designate piece reponsible for ? | 16:15 |
| Kiall | i.e. it would be manipulating the zone as needed, similar to how traditional GSLB products do it with their "internal DNS" servers. | 16:15 |
| mugsie | KunalGandhi: serving the DNS entries, and updating the zone | 16:15 |
| xgerman | but DNS would need to monitor the health of the regional LBs? | 16:16 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. makes sense | 16:16 |
| KunalGandhi | xgerman: GLB's will be able to monitor the reginal LB's | 16:16 |
| mugsie | xgerman: that should be part of the GLB service | 16:16 |
| xgerman | ok | 16:16 |
| mugsie | ah, what KunalGandhi said :) | 16:16 |
| KunalGandhi | xgerman: It might also depend on vendor impl as well.. | 16:16 |
| Kiall | mugsie: ++, I see GSLB's requirement to have a DNS server embedded as fix for DNS servers not having a "standard API" | 16:16 |
| Kiall | Which, in the context of OpenStack, we have via Designate. | 16:17 |
| dougwig | putting on my a10 hat, we offer three operating modes at the dns level. the first is being the DNS master, the second is being a delegated master, and the third is being a proxy in front of the DNS master, munging packets on the fly. designate could do any or all of those in this context. | 16:17 |
| mugsie | ok. We could do the first 2 today, but not the 3rd | 16:18 |
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| KunalGandhi | @dougwig .. where does GLB fall under this ? | 16:18 |
| dougwig | the third is for retrofitting into legacy deployments, so i'd wager it's way less relevant here. | 16:18 |
| Kiall | Okay, everything there bad the proxy layer effectivly exists in Designate. I suspect that proxy layer is an unusual usecase, or something to bring to the next Designate specific meeting? | 16:18 |
| mugsie | but, for the GSLB to work properly, we should be the a master | 16:19 |
| xgerman | ok | 16:19 |
| mugsie | s/the// | 16:19 |
| xgerman | so GSLB drives designate and LBaaS | 16:19 |
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| mugsie | xgerman: yup, i think thats what we are linking | 16:19 |
| mugsie | thinking* | 16:19 |
| mugsie | right. The question is then is GSLB a global service (like keystone) that orchestrates all of this? | 16:20 |
| Kiall | Let's circle back a tad, the typical GSLB model looks like this DNS -> GLB(s) -> Regional LB(s). It's clear where the first and last piece lives, Designate and Neutron-LBaaS/Octavia respectivly. The new piece is that guy in the middle, right? | 16:20 |
| mugsie | or is there another delpoyment model i am missing? | 16:21 |
| KunalGandhi | xgerman: so the LB entity management sites in LBaaS and the zone management would be in deisgnate.. we need to decide on the where the orchestration sits | 16:21 |
| xgerman | yep | 16:21 |
| KunalGandhi | ok. do we need a separate service for that ? | 16:22 |
| xgerman | and GLSB needs to monitor health to adjust records | 16:22 |
| mugsie | or, to ask another question: what is the MVP for this, and the timescale we want to commit to? | 16:22 |
| ekarlso | q' would this be something we could present into the NFV working group as a potential usecase there to ? | 16:22 |
| ekarlso | nfv / telco rather | 16:22 |
| dougwig | the pools and monitoring end up looking a lot like lbaas, so i could see it separate or leveraged as part of that. | 16:22 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:22 |
| KunalGandhi | +1 | 16:22 |
| xgerman | Labs could be more generalized | 16:22 |
| xgerman | LBaaS | 16:23 |
| mugsie | ok, let me try and summerise then: | 16:23 |
| Kiall | I suspect things look similar from a model point of view, but the current LBaaS implementations as far as I know rely on haproxy/netscalers/etc to actually implement the monitoring piece. | 16:23 |
| dougwig | i think you end up with either 1) a third project, or 2) a way for designate to consume monitoring events, or 3) a way for lbaas to consume/modify dns events. | 16:23 |
| KunalGandhi | So the MVP should at least have the LBaaS side to manage the regional VIP's in LBaaS and their zones in deisgnate | 16:23 |
| mugsie | there will be a service (or a part of lbaas) that monitors regional LBs and chnages DNS records in designate according to the results? | 16:24 |
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| xgerman | I think we can leave monitoring out for the MVP | 16:24 |
| mugsie | even better :P | 16:24 |
| mugsie | but in general does ^ sound right? | 16:25 |
| KunalGandhi | xgerman: ok so just regional VIP and linking them together in GLB | 16:25 |
| samuelbercovici | hi everyone | 16:25 |
| xgerman | hi Sam | 16:25 |
| Kiall | xgerman: so, as one of the LBaaS guys in the room - what do you see as the MVP? Same question to KunalGandhi/dougwig, who kicked this off. | 16:25 |
| xgerman | I think orchestrating the DNS entries, the LBs, etc. would be my MVP | 16:25 |
| dougwig | xgerman: i'm not sure i'd leave out monitoring, otherwise you're just at round robin DNS. | 16:26 |
| Kiall | dougwig: yea, that's my thought too, which is why I'm asking :) | 16:26 |
| KunalGandhi | I think we at least need a service that can create GLB entities and have designate manage the zones for it.. | 16:26 |
| mugsie | xgerman: remember it could leverage the monitoring done in lbaas / octavia ... | 16:26 |
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| dougwig | Kiall: i'd see an api interface, a cli, a global vip with a pool, some crude form of monitoring that, and then modifying zones for creation and monitoring. | 16:26 |
| KunalGandhi | @dougwig +1.. I think we might need monitoring of the VIP's at least | 16:26 |
| xgerman | yeah, I really took Minimum to heart :-) | 16:26 |
| Kiall | To me, the MVP is an API where you define GLBs, their DNS names, and their target backends/regional LB's. As these are created/updated/go up/go down, DNS is updated. | 16:27 |
| samuelbercovici | can we start by working in a use case document? same as we did when starting LBaaS v2? | 16:27 |
| KunalGandhi | @dougwig .. +1 on that. | 16:27 |
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| mugsie | samuelbercovici: that sounds like a good idea | 16:27 |
| KunalGandhi | @samuelbercovici ... Yes..that would good.. | 16:27 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: we briefly covered that early, but not in depth, and that'd be a good idea. | 16:28 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:28 |
| mugsie | how was it done for v2 lbaas? Google Doc / etherpad? | 16:28 |
| xgerman | Google Doc | 16:28 |
| samuelbercovici | Google doc. but anything goes | 16:28 |
| dougwig | perhaps if one person started a use case doc for folks to edit, and another took a stab at a "traditional" gslb type interface we might use, we could discuss those? | 16:28 |
| KunalGandhi | dougwig: I can start that. | 16:28 |
| mugsie | can we action someone to create one and share it with the group? | 16:28 |
| dougwig | KunalGandhi: which one? | 16:28 |
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| KunalGandhi | # action Use Case.. | 16:29 |
| samuelbercovici | I think that a use cases document should be started first. | 16:29 |
| mugsie | and when we get that in place, we can circle back? I think a few use cases would really help the discussion | 16:29 |
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| dougwig | ok, works for me. | 16:29 |
| samuelbercovici | we can then prioritize and based in this design and api | 16:29 |
| mugsie | ++ | 16:29 |
| Kiall | #action KunalGandhi produce initial draft UseCase google doc / etherpad. | 16:29 |
| KunalGandhi | #action use case.. | 16:29 |
| Kiall | dooh, doubled up :) | 16:30 |
| dougwig | let's put a timeline around that. KunalGandhi, when do you think you can have that kicked off and ready for input? | 16:30 |
| KunalGandhi | @dougwig .. Can we do this next week at the same time ? I will have something ready before that.. | 16:31 |
| dougwig | yes. and then another week for input/feedback/discussion, at which point we dive into the technical? | 16:31 |
| mugsie | sounds good | 16:31 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:31 |
| Kiall | Yea, sounds good. | 16:31 |
| dougwig | great. anything else we want to discuss in the meantime today? | 16:32 |
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| KunalGandhi | @dougwig .. I think once agree upon the use cases and MVP then we can dig into the technical aspect of it.. maybe the following week ? | 16:32 |
| KunalGandhi | No.. I think that is it.. | 16:32 |
| Kiall | dougwig: I'd be interested to hear barclaac explaire more about his BGP use case ;) | 16:32 |
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| samuelbercovici | this is how we did the use cases - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ewl95yxAMq2fO0Z6Dz6fL-w2FScERQXQR1-mXuSINis/mobilebasic?pli=1 | 16:33 |
| KunalGandhi | I will send out the link to the Google doc sometime next week | 16:33 |
| xgerman | awesome | 16:33 |
| dougwig | barclaac and angus should get in a room. we'd have a self-aware skynet just via bgp. | 16:33 |
| KunalGandhi | @samuelbercovici .. Thank you for the link | 16:33 |
| barclaac | Sure. You don't want to use BGP to get to the LB because if the weights change you'll have missing connection state. | 16:33 |
| Kiall | dougwig: lol.. | 16:33 |
| barclaac | If you use BGP at the DNS level then you made your choice and the connection will be consistent for a single LB. | 16:33 |
| dougwig | lbaas is having a mid-cycle july 15-17 at hp's seattle office. by any chance can any of the designate folks attend? | 16:34 |
| KunalGandhi | Thanks guys for joining the meeting.. | 16:34 |
| mugsie | i will see dougwig | 16:34 |
| Kiall | barclaac: Okay, so it's entirely on the DNS side, rather than doing BGP/ECMP etc for the GLB -> Regional LB? | 16:34 |
| dougwig | #topic Open discussion, BGP, and final thoughts... | 16:35 |
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| barclaac | Exactly. Each LB will only have the state for the connections that it's handling. If we send those packets to a different data center the LB (hopefully) will reset the connection because it won't have any state for the packets. | 16:35 |
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| xgerman | yeah, that’s my understanding as well | 16:36 |
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| xgerman | lbs between datacenter don’t share state | 16:36 |
| barclaac | Well we could ;-) but it would be really expensive. | 16:37 |
| Kiall | right.. Yea. State replication cross region isn't something we should aspire to ;) Was just curious if your thoughts were around BPG usage outside of the DNS piece. It sounded like that was what you were suggesting. | 16:37 |
| Kiall | Okay, I'm out of Q's then, KunalGandhi thanks for offering to write up the first pass @ use cases, can you email a link to the list once done? (tagged [Designate][LBaaS] so the Designate folks see it) | 16:38 |
| KunalGandhi | @Kiall .. yes | 16:38 |
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| dougwig | anything else from anyone? | 16:38 |
| Kiall | Nope, Not from me. | 16:38 |
| dougwig | ok, let's all get back to our mornings. thank you, all. | 16:39 |
| KunalGandhi | Nothing from my side | 16:39 |
| samuelbercovici | bye all. | 16:39 |
| mugsie | o/ | 16:39 |
| KunalGandhi | Thank you everyone | 16:39 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 2 16:39:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gslb/2015/gslb.2015-06-02-16.01.html | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gslb/2015/gslb.2015-06-02-16.01.txt | 16:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gslb/2015/gslb.2015-06-02-16.01.log.html | 16:39 |
| xgerman | thanks | 16:39 |
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