Wednesday, 2015-07-15

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raginbajin#startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 15 14:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is raginbajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring'14:00
raginbajinNotes from last meeting are found here14:00
raginbajin#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-01-14.00.txt14:00
raginbajin#topic Review last meetings action items14:00
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raginbajinWe have three action items from last meeting.14:01
raginbajin1. Ensure that meeting notes get sent to Operators list14:01
raginbajin2. Team needs to look for ways to break down each Monitoring and Tools sections into topics14:01
raginbajin3. Next meeting work on creating a structure for the wiki14:01
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raginbajinJust waiting for others to join for the Operators Ops Tools and Monitoring14:04
raginbajinI am going to wait till 15 after the hour and if no one is here, I will end the meeting.14:06
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raginbajinOne action item was for me to send out notes. I think the lack of participation is because of this. I will work on getting that worked out this week.14:17
raginbajin#endmeeting14:17
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Jul 15 14:17:12 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:17
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-15-14.00.html14:17
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openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-15-14.00.log.html14:17
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eglute#startmeeting defcore15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 15 15:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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zehicleo/15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'defcore'15:00
zehicle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.815:00
hogepodgeo/15:00
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egluteHello Everyone! Raise your left or your right hand if you are attending defcore meeting! \o15:01
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egluteThanks to markvoelker_ and hogepodge for leading last week's meeting15:02
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eglute#chair zehicle15:02
openstackCurrent chairs: eglute zehicle15:02
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eglute#topic agenda15:02
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egluteplease review agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.8 and add/update if you have things to dicuss that are not there already15:03
egluteif no comments on agenda, we will move to the midcycle discussion15:04
eglute#topic midcycle15:04
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eglutewe have a tentative agenda for midcycle set, please review #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle15:05
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markvoelker_eglute: do we have remote attendance info yet (so I can send it over to John/Kyle for 9:30/Day 1)?15:06
zehicleI think that we've officially adjusted times for remote attendees15:06
eglutemarkvoelker_ no not yet.15:06
hogepodgewe're waiting on nikhil_k to set a good remote time also, and he'll need information for dial in15:06
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eglute#action eglute zehicle to work on info for remote attendance and send out updated invites15:07
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eglutethanks hogepodge for working with nikhil_k to find good times15:07
eglutedo we need anything else for the midcycle?15:08
zehicleI think we're reaching the point of more planning = less effect15:09
eglutein that case, I would like a discussion on meeting times15:10
zehicle+115:10
eglute#topic meeting times15:10
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catherine_d|1We will need to register to get visitor badges for the people  attending midcycle on site at IBM (eglute: has sent as a list ..)  Let us know if we need to add any more names ...15:10
egluteright, please review  the list on ehterpad link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle15:11
eglute#action everyone if you are attending midcycle in person, please be sure your name is on this list https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle15:11
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AlanClarksorry am a bit slow to jump in - Did you let the midcycle attendees know that they are invited to the board dinner on the 28th?15:12
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zehicleAlanClark, I thought it was the drinks after that was open15:12
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egluteAlanClark not yet, but can update it!15:12
AlanClarkI'll update it15:13
eglute#action AlanClark send invite to the board dinner to the defcore mailing list15:13
hogepodgeI'm in favor of going back to 15 UTC every week. I don't think we're achieving our attendance goals with the 1 UTC meeting. We can always revisit after the next summit.15:13
eglutethanks!15:13
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zehiclehogepodge, +115:13
zehicleI think that we could have a chat session at that time to involve more people15:14
eglutei am also in favor in going to one 15UTC since attendance at 1UTC is significantly less than that of 15UTC15:14
egluteI have not heard from anyone that would prefer 1UTC, and they are probably not here during this time eitehr15:15
egluteany other opinions on moving all meetings to 15UTC?15:15
zehicleFWIW, I think that we are doing a good job of making sure the discussions are on the patches15:15
markvoelker_There was Konstantin who sent a note to the list preferring 15UTC.  I'm fine either way.15:16
gemaI prefer 15UTC15:16
eglutegema what time zone are you in15:16
gemaUK :)15:16
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gemaGMT15:16
eglute:)15:16
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zehiclemy point is that missing a meeting does not prevent you from being part of the discussion15:18
eglutezehicle i agree!15:18
gemazehicle: agreed15:18
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egluteok, so should we have one more meeting at 1UTC next week or switch it to 15UTC?15:18
zehiclewe're not meeting the week of the offsite15:19
zehiclein IRC15:19
eglutewait that is next week?15:19
zehicleno, week after15:20
zehicleso the next meeting would be 1 UTC15:20
hogepodgeNext week is OSCON, fwiw.15:20
zehicleyy15:20
egluteright15:20
egluteopinions on next week's meeting time?15:20
zehicleI could make the current time but not 1 UTC15:20
zehiclemy preference would be to change to 15UTC15:21
markvoelker_eglute: I can do either15:21
zehicleis there interest in a DefCore meetup at OSCON?15:21
egluteI am not attending OSCON, so either times work for me15:21
* markvoelker_ isn't going to OSCON either15:21
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eglutezehicle I think you should ask on mailing list about oscon meetup i think!15:23
hogepodgethat just means I may be occupied. :-) Either time works for me15:23
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egluteok, so I will send a note to the mailing list today letting people know about the change. If anyone from other time zones want to talk, myself and I am sure zehicle will be available for discussion via IRC or email15:24
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zehiclecan do - will be mainly social15:24
eglute#action eglute will send out email about meeting time changes15:24
eglute#topic capabilities meeting times15:25
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eglutethanks markvoelker_ for starting ML thread on capabilities meeting times15:25
markvoelker_eglute: sure.  I'll send over a patch to infra as well.15:25
eglutemarkvoelker_ thank you!15:25
eglute#action markvoelker_ send a patch to infra about meeting times15:26
eglutelooks like capabilities meetings will start after the midcycle15:26
hogepodgemarkvoelker_: there's also a bug in one of the wiki entries, saying our meeting is on Thursday15:26
hogepodgeeglute: we're running out of time for initial proposal (July 27)15:26
eglutehogepodge the 1UTC is on thursday15:26
eglutehogepodge good point. I will work with zehicle on it15:27
eglute#action eglute and zehicle work on initial proposal15:28
markvoelker_eglute: the initial proposal is really just 2015.next, isn't it?  We have another month to identify new capabilities after that15:28
zehiclewe do need to prep that for the board15:29
eglutemarkvoelker_ right, and what zehicle said15:29
zehicleyikes - that should be on the agenda!15:29
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* eglute doesn't think there is coffee15:30
zehicleeglute and I need to prepare a board report and setup 2015.0715:30
hogepodgeI'd be in favor of an extra meeting/call to work out how we want to try and prep .next for proposal to the board.15:30
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markvoelker_zehicle: you mean 2016.01? =)15:30
egluteI am open this friday15:30
* hogepodge is available all week15:30
zehiclehogepodge, that's too late.  we really need it this week for review15:30
zehiclecan we get it by Friday?15:30
eglutei think so15:30
zehiclesorry to pull us off agenda... I can wait on this15:31
zehiclemarkvoelker_, no, 2015.07 would be the correct schedule15:31
zehiclethen 2016.0115:31
zehiclewe should have a .next with added caps for the summit15:31
* eglute updates agenda15:31
markvoelker_zehicle, Guidelines are named by their approval date according to 2015A (section D4).15:31
hogepodgeIt seems like 07 is going to be patching up regardless, fixing some mistakes and reconciling flags.15:31
eglute#topic new proposal15:31
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zehicleeglute, thanks15:32
markvoelker_And we'd be submitting this for approval 1/27 according to the timeline (see bottom of etherpad)15:32
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zehicleat the last BoD meeting we committed to having a 2015.07 for review15:32
zehiclebecause of 1) sub-caps & 2) new schema15:32
zehicleIMHO, we really need to get that done15:32
zehiclethe actual impact should be small15:32
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zehicleactual impact to vendors15:32
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zehiclesince we're not adding caps or components15:32
egluteok, so extra meeting on friday to review it?15:33
zehicleI suspect, yes15:34
markvoelker_I'm fairly unconvinced that having another extra guideline does any good either, though.  IMO if it's the same as the previous one (plus schema changes), then it just adds confusion.15:34
zehiclewe changed the capabilities and schema.15:34
markvoelker_E.g. if someone goes to the marketplace and see a bunch of vendors with 2015.05 and another set with 2015.07, does he assume they're the same?15:35
markvoelker_Probably not.15:35
zehicle2015.07 is the correct schedule15:35
zehicleyou could make the same statement about 2015.0415:35
markvoelker_zehicle: how so?  The 2015A timeline says otherwise.15:35
zehicleand 2015.07 has the prefered caps and schema15:36
zehiclewe really want to get that into circulation15:36
zehicle2015A timeline says BoD approves at the mid-cycle meeting15:36
zehiclewhich is 2015.0715:36
markvoelker_I disagree15:37
zehiclenot really sure why there's an objection.15:37
markvoelker_It says at S-3 we have a preliminary draft15:37
markvoelker_And that we submit it for approval at S+315:37
zehicleyes, that draft is BASED on the appoved doc from s+315:37
zehicleso, we have both an approval and initial draft15:38
markvoelker_Which would be the last Guideline, no?15:38
zehiclethe schedule is written as approve in S+315:38
markvoelker_Ok, so maybe I'm misunderstanding what we're submitting to the Board on 2015.07 then.  We're submitting a preliminary thing and asking them to bless it, but it's not somehting people certify against?15:39
zehiclethen use that guideline as the starting point15:39
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zehicleno, markvoelker_15:39
zehiclewe are taking what's in .next and asking the board to approve it15:40
zehiclethen we create a new .next from that15:40
hogepodge.next needs work.15:40
zehicleand start making changes like adding more capabilities15:40
hogepodgeI need to rebase the category changes15:40
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hogepodgewe also need to decide if we're going to add a new list of removed flagged tests (which I would support)15:40
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zehicleflagged tests are not part of the BoD approval15:41
zehiclejust the caps and components15:41
zehicleand designated sections15:41
hogepodgezehicle: no, but we might want to have a slight update to the schema to account for removed capabilities15:41
zehiclesince BoD approves the actual JSON.  the schema change should be approved15:41
hogepodgezehicle: (you convinced me that it's a valuable thing to have)15:41
zehicleI think we have removed caps15:42
zehicleare you thinking of removed tests?15:42
hogepodgezehicle: yes, for things that we removed because of hypervisor differences, for example15:42
markvoelker_So, maybe we should discuss this offline.  I don't want to rathole if we have other items on the agenda, but I'm failing to see why would continue to approve multiple Guidelines in a 6 month period now that we have completed the "catch up" to get a Guideline that covers the current OpenStack release.15:42
markvoelker_To me that seems detrimental to interoperability.15:43
zehiclemarkvoelker_, we have not caught up until we get the subcaps and schema change in15:43
zehiclethen we are caught up15:43
hogepodgeplus there is a bug in keystone15:43
markvoelker_zehicle: we disagree there15:43
zehiclesince that it what was communicated to the BoD at the last meeting, I think we're in very safe ground15:44
zehicleI am aware we disagree15:44
hogepodgewe have required capabilities, but not required components. It's confusing and a problem.15:44
zehiclecomponents are required by the foundation for certification15:44
zehiclethey choose which marks to offer based on components & platform15:44
hogepodgezehicle: I'll send up a patch illustrating what I mean15:45
hogepodge#action hogepodge to rebase subcaps patch15:45
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zehicleI don't think we're ratholed - we need a decision to have  2015.07 or not.15:46
hogepodge#action hogepodge to update identity requirements15:46
zehiclesince we have limited time to get it ready15:46
egluteshould we have a separate meeting over the phone to discuss it?15:46
zehicleI'd rather just resolve it15:47
eglutei do support zehicle on 2015.07, but I do want to make sure people are on board15:47
markvoelker_zehicle: if you've committed to it then I think we have to do it.  I really hope that this is the last time we rev the Guidelines so fast though.15:47
zehiclemarkvoelker_, I strongly agree with this being the last catch-up15:48
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eglutemarkvoelker_ right, we are still playing catchup15:48
zehicleI had wanted these two changes to make 2015.0515:48
zehicleand we could not make it happen, so we are stuck with 2015.0715:48
zehicleBUT... that's putting us on the right schedule at least15:49
markvoelker_zehicle: I think it's broken the schedule that we talked about in Vancouver, unfortuantely.  But it is what it is.15:49
zehiclesorry we're not on the same page there.15:50
* zehicle ready to move on15:50
hogepodgeCan we have a call about this later today?15:50
zehiclehow far off is the schema?15:51
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eglutehogepodge markvoelker_ zehicle i am in favor of a call later today and moving on15:51
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catherine_d|1Has DefCore submitted any speaker sessions for Tokyo ... today is the last day ...15:51
markvoelker_hogepodge: sure, I'll be around.  I'm on the west coast today15:51
eglute#action eglute zehicle send out call meeting info for today15:51
zehicle3-4 is ok15:52
eglute#topic summit proposals15:52
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eglutecatherine_d|1 i have not submitted anything yet, but it is on my list for today.15:52
hogepodgeI'm good all day (zehicle CDT?)15:52
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zehicleI did not - thought it was due Friday15:52
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eglutewe can review proposals during the call as well. also, on IRC?15:53
markvoelker_catherine_dl1: I have a talk on interoperable networking lined up that touchs on defcore (with a couple of nova/neutron folks)15:53
egluteanyone else submit it?15:53
hogepodge#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-defcore-talks15:53
eglutethanks hogepodge15:53
hogepodgetalk collaboration15:53
eglutewas looking for that15:53
hogepodgeI can submit something too.15:54
zehiclemakes sense15:54
eglutehogepodge please do! let me know what15:54
catherine_d|1I have sumit 1 for Refstack ...15:54
zehiclehogepodge, I'm assuming that summit planners will also setup a community time for us15:54
zehicleso we have to ask for that special?15:55
zehiclesince we'll want to have a community session on new capabilities15:55
zehicleas per 2015A15:55
hogepodgezehicle: we do, but I can probably get something. It's harder for Tokyo because space is highly constrained15:55
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zehiclewe need a place to discuss .next15:55
hogepodgezehicle: but yes, this falls under the category of institutional talk15:55
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* eglute notes only 4 min left15:56
eglutecan everyone comment on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188661/15:57
zehicle#agenda flag patch15:57
zehicle#topc flag patch15:57
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zehicle#topic flag patch15:57
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eglute#action everyone review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188661/15:58
eglutethanks to all that been commenting, good discussion there15:58
eglutewould appreciate other feedback as well15:58
zehicleare we done with it?15:59
eglutemarkvoelker_ still has -1 on it15:59
zehicleok15:59
egluteso want to make sure his comments are addressed before merging16:00
markvoelker_YEah, purp and I have been discussing16:00
markvoelker_he's got another patch lined up that we've been talking about but I don't think he's pushed it yet16:00
markvoelker_I just spoke with him this morning so I think it should go up shortly16:00
zehiclewe'll wait for you both to +116:00
zehicleI'm ok w/ the changes being proposed16:01
markvoelker_If you read the comments on the latest patch you can get a sense of what he's planning16:01
eglutewe also need people to comment on other open patches. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/defcore,n,z16:01
zehicleif anyone objects, now is the time to raise the -1s16:01
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eglutewe are out of time. further discussion in defcore irc.16:01
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eglutethanks everyone!16:02
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eglute#endmeeting16:02
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zehiclethanks!16:02
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jokke_hello20:00
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jokke_anyone up for log_wg meeting?20:00
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nkrinnerhi20:00
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nkrinnerjokke_: me, kind of20:00
jokke_#startmeeting log_wg20:00
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Rockygo/20:00
jokke_#topic attendance20:00
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jokke_#chair Rockyg20:00
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jokke_courtecy call dhellmann johnthetubaguy20:02
jokke_someone else we're missing?20:02
dhellmanno/20:02
dhellmannjohnthetubaguy: bknudson20:02
bknudsonI'm at the keystone mid-cycle this week20:02
Rockygyah. jokke_, keep the chair.  I'm in two meetings at once.  Blech.20:02
jokke_do we have specific agenda points or do we go for open right away?20:03
Rockygfyi.  when we get there, I have a question/proposal that dhellmann can help decide on how to go on20:03
nkrinneri have something for open discussion20:03
jokke_#topic open discussion20:04
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jokke_nkrinner: stage is yours20:04
nkrinneri was wondering if anybody submitted a talk about logging for the tokyo summit?20:04
nkrinneri might do so if none of the regular contributers did so20:05
jokke_nkrinner: I submitted one ref this wg20:05
nkrinnerjokke_: ok20:05
jokke_if you have something specific in mind, please do so20:05
nkrinnerthen it is yours ;-)20:05
Rockygnkrinner, go and add one if you have an idea...20:05
nkrinneri do not have anything special, but i looked at the last meetings and did not see it covered20:05
jokke_nkrinner: fair enough20:06
nkrinnerok, i might still submitt something. let's see. but it is good to see that there is a chance that this topic is raised at the summit20:06
jokke_Rockyg: you had something in your mind20:06
RockygYeah.  Here's the idea.  I think the spaceholders for optional log fields is less controversial and may be easier to get happening this cycle20:07
RockygI think it can be done strictly through oslo, but we still would want to put together a spec to get operators feedback20:08
dhellmannis that the thing where we include a '-' for a field that would be blank?20:08
Rockygif we made it an option in global config, then it's backward compatible20:08
RockygYup20:08
dhellmannok, I believe we're doing that so if we're not then it's a bug and doesn't need a spec20:08
dhellmannare we not doing that somewhere?20:08
Rockygcool.  If we are doing it, we need to socialize how to get it set better.20:09
RockygI don't remember seeing it, but most of the docs are dev docs, not ops docs.20:09
dhellmannit's not something that needs to be set, it's just how the code should be working -- are you seeing logs with blanks in them?20:09
dhellmannoperators do not need to do anything to enable the behavior20:09
jokke_Rockyg: is this about the syslog style structured data or just the '-' on empty field?20:10
Rockygjust the - on empty fields.20:10
Rockygthe ops have complained that from project to project the number of fields change in the logs20:10
jokke_ok ... I'll try to do review for that in glance logs this week20:11
jokke_see how they behave now20:11
jokke_dhellmann: is that something that has been there for a while or recent change?20:12
RockygThanks!20:12
dhellmannwe need someone to sit down and compare the logs to see how they're different20:12
dhellmannI'm not going to have time to do that for a while, so if there's some other resource who can do that we can turn the results into bugs and fix them20:12
dhellmannjokke_: it has been our intent for it to work that way for a while. I thought it already was.20:13
jokke_++ I think biggest differencies probably comes from swift and keystone20:13
Rockyggreat.  If worse comes to worst, I can get this done at the ops midcycle.20:13
dhellmannjokke_: ok, the swift logs are out of bounds for talking about these sorts of things -- the swift team is going to have to address any complaints themselves, because they don't use the oslo logs20:14
jokke_dhellmann: on, I'll verify and if it's not there I try to find the time to log a bug and submit a review for oslo.log20:14
dhellmannso we need someone to look at the other projects20:14
dhellmannjokke_: ok20:14
Rockygwe can see if bknudson can look at keystone20:14
jokke_dhellmann: that was exactly my point swift is not using oslo logs and keystone is on apache which might give bit different outputs as well20:15
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bknudsonkeystone can work on eventlet or apache20:15
dhellmannjokke_: right, we're not going to change apache logs but if keystone logs somewhere else besides apache then we can control those logs20:15
bknudsonbut eventlet server is deprecated20:15
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dhellmannand swift has some different requirements, so let's just leave that one alone for now -- the low hanging fruit are the projects that are all supposed to be using the same library20:15
RockygYes.  I'll see if I can get input for the various projects.20:16
dhellmannwe need to start expressing these desires more concretely20:16
jokke_dhellmann: has anyone made check if any projects are still using the incubator code or has everyone moved to the actual oslo logs?20:16
dhellmann"everything is different" is not actionable because as a developer I wouldn't know which ones to change -- what format do you *want*20:16
dhellmannjokke_: I have not done that, I've been tied up with release stuff20:17
RockygI think there is still a project or two using incubator.  They are supposed to be moving.20:17
jokke_dhellmann: fair enough ...20:17
dhellmannsaying "project X does not log using the standard format" is actionable20:17
jokke_yes, but not necessarily a bug ;)20:17
dhellmanntrue, but the action might be to say "yes, that's by design"20:18
jokke_tru20:18
jokke_#action jokke will check that empty fields are replaced with '-' on standard logging20:19
RockygI can double check on which projects are using oslo.log20:20
jokke_#action Rockyg makes a list of projects that are still using incubated logging code20:20
dhellmanngreat, those are good steps20:21
jokke_anyone going to be in ops midcycle this time? Rockyg?20:22
dhellmannputting the notes in an etherpad will help us track the changes, if any20:22
dhellmannI'll be there20:22
RockygYup.  I'm there.20:22
Rockygso, maybe we can make an etherpad of info I should collect or questions to ask, or info to pass on?20:22
jokke_cool ... yes and specially please probe around what are the feelings20:23
RockygWill do.20:24
jokke_I do not want to be in the situation where we have no-one on the logging sessions next summit because they feel it being pointless20:24
RockygIt's in August, so we have time to plan.20:24
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jokke_yeah I just saw first mention about it yesterday or today so it's fresh on my mind20:25
RockygI'm still reinstalling stuff on my new laptop  for instance have git and gerrit but can't clone a repo yet...20:25
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Rockygand I've got booth duty at OSCon next week (what company sends senior engineers to stand around a booth?!?)20:25
jokke_has anyone been able to follow up on the situation around those 2 specs over past couple of weeks?20:26
jokke_Rockyg: Huawei, I assume? :P20:26
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Rockygxproject meeting talked about request ids again.  The log has the etherpad link.20:26
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Rockygthey are converging on a solution for clients20:27
jokke_argh ;)20:28
RockygIt's either option 1 or 3.  They keep bouncing back and forth.  1 is in the x-http field20:28
Rockygor whatever.  the x-nnn20:28
jokke_how that is going to be implemented on client? :P20:30
jokke_I mean wasn't the whole point to drop that convcersation for now and just focus the client support for current model?20:30
RockygIt's how it gets sent to the client.  What form20:31
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jokke_^^20:32
RockygI don't think they are talking about how to generate at the moment.  But, I need to look at etherpad.20:33
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jokke_no worries ... sorry but I haven't had cycles lately to follow that up20:33
jokke_bit too tied up with our next Helion release20:34
RockygFun :P20:34
jokke_one more thing, I just collected few poits to the agenda etherpad for next week20:35
jokke_#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/log-wg-meeting-agenda20:35
RockygAnother thing we as agroup should be doing is watching bugs against oslo.log and discussing if we should raise awareness on some20:35
RockygI likely won't make next week's meeting.  It's lunch at OSCon and that's when the floor is most busy.20:36
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jokke_Rockyg: ok, i'll make sure I'll be here then20:37
RockygThanks20:37
dhellmannI should be here20:38
jokke_last call for other items, or should we call this half way done?20:38
RockygSounds good to me.  I'm baked.20:39
jokke_ok thanks everyone, we continue next week!20:39
RockygThanks!20:39
nkrinnercu20:39
jokke_#endmeeting20:39
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dhellmannthanks, everyon20:39
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-07-15-20.00.txt20:39
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sdake#startmeeting kolla22:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 15 22:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)"22:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kolla'22:00
sdake#topic rollcall22:00
*** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)"22:00
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rhalliseyhi22:00
bmacegreetings22:00
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jmccarthy1o/22:00
mandrehi22:00
sdakei'll wait a couple mins for folks to appear ;)22:01
mstachowo/ evening22:01
pbourke_hi22:01
sdakehi folks :)22:02
sdake#topic announcements22:02
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sdakeonly real announcement is looks like ansible is coming right along22:02
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sdakeeverything seems to work which is committed so far - that is glance, keystone, galera, rabbit, and nova22:02
sdakethe cool thing about the ansible codebase is it works well out of the box with minimum config, but allows complete customization22:03
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sdakeoh one more hting22:03
sdakeI will be on PTO next week22:03
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sdakeanyone to run the meeting?22:04
rhalliseyI can if you like22:04
sdakesounds good22:04
sdakeany other announcements from community ?22:04
sdake#topic ci status22:05
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sdakejpeeler has been woring on getting update.py running in the gate22:06
sdakerahter build.py in the gate22:06
sdakewhich shoudl speed up our gate runs22:06
sdakebmace has some work too, mind covering bmace?22:06
bmacesure, as of the last week pep8 actually works22:06
bmacesome of the stuff in the pep8 test shouldn't be there, so is being broken out.  a review is up for the infra guys to get that working22:06
bmacethen i'll yank the non-pep8 tests out of the named pep8 test in our repo and it will be done.22:07
bmacebut at least we can feel better that any python code that goes in is now appropriately covered.  that is it for me.22:07
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sdakecool - the more gate jobs we have, the better our code willbe22:07
sdake(correct gate jobs)22:07
sdakeso we want to continue to expand here as relevant22:08
sdakei've been thinking about ansible and the functional gate, in other words, perhaps we should just use ansible for the functional gate22:08
sdakesince it will implement ovs to start22:08
sdakewhich we can run on one nic22:08
sdakeany thoughts?22:08
pbourke_ideally we'd have botg22:09
pbourke_*both22:09
bmaceansible is the way we are going, the more it gets tested / covered the better imho22:09
sdakeyes to both gates, need someone to tackle ovs for config-internal method pbourke :)22:09
mandrewe're going to support ansible on the longer run, while it may not be true for the config internal22:10
pbourke_sure I had a feeling that was the blocker22:10
sdakemandre support vs implement, we don't really support anything ;)22:10
mandrei'm ok on with only gating on functional ansible deployment at first22:11
sdakeno openstack upstream that i am aware of provides support22:11
sdakecool22:11
sdakewell hopefully someone will want to implement that ;)22:11
sdakeany other discussion around ci?22:11
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sdake#topic liberty 2 planning22:12
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sdakei'll cover the essential blueprints and make sure the state is updated22:12
sdake@link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/liberty-222:13
sdake#link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/liberty-222:13
sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-aio22:14
sdakethis seems to work22:14
sdakerhallisey can you run behind and set the states while i'll pull up the blueprints?22:14
sdakethat should be "ready for review"22:15
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sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-service22:15
sdakethis is missing neutron plus all the ancilllary services22:15
rhalliseyk22:15
sdakebut overall really good progress22:15
sdakeso should probably be set to good progress since it seems to work well enough ;)22:15
sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kolla-ansible-script22:16
sdakenot sure what status is of this, diga you around?22:16
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sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kolla-compose-script22:16
sdakethat is a git rename22:16
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sdakeif anyone wants a really easy blueprint :)22:16
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sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-multi22:17
sdakeagain this is same as AIO, ready for review I think22:17
sdake#link Generate ini-type configuration files dynamically22:17
sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/dynamic-configuration22:18
sdakethis is depreactead, let me take care of that22:18
sdakecool that is all the essentials22:19
sdakei'll leave the high and below for later review unless someone wishes to discuss something now22:20
sdakeanything that doesn't hit the started state by friday I am bumping to l3 :)22:20
sdakeremember july 30 is our dealdine this go around, so we have 2 weeks left in this milestone22:20
sdake#topic mid-cycle planning22:21
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sdake#link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-kolla-midcycle-planning22:21
sdake#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-kolla-midcycle-planning22:21
sdakegroan22:21
sdakeso pls open that up22:21
sdakewe hae different group then last time22:21
sdakelets spend 10 minutes until 30 after tidying up this list22:22
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sdakeso we have about 10 slots22:26
sdakeI may ahve to merge some sessions22:26
sdakeI think what we have is pretty good22:26
sdakewe can call this done, and adjust as needed22:27
sdake#topic open discussion22:27
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sdakeI'm really excited about our first midcycle, hope to see folks there the 28th and 29th :)22:27
rhalliseyme too22:28
sdakewith that I'll open up to open discussion22:28
rhalliseysummit talks22:28
rhalliseywe should make a doc with the links to the talks22:28
sdakeya apparently we hae about 6 people that submitted separate talks :)22:29
sdakelol22:29
rhalliseyya I did 222:29
rhalliseyinc0 has 322:29
rhalliseysam has like 222:29
bmacei have one22:29
rhalliseynice22:29
sdakenice well I hope mine makes the vote cut ;)22:29
sdakeok well if there is nothing serious then we can go back to our cave and talk there :)22:29
pbourke_night22:30
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sdake#endmeeting22:30
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"22:30
openstackMeeting ended Wed Jul 15 22:30:09 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)22:30
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-07-15-22.00.html22:30
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-07-15-22.00.txt22:30
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