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| raginbajin | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 15 14:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is raginbajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 14:00 |
| raginbajin | Notes from last meeting are found here | 14:00 |
| raginbajin | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-01-14.00.txt | 14:00 |
| raginbajin | #topic Review last meetings action items | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review last meetings action items (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 14:00 | |
| raginbajin | We have three action items from last meeting. | 14:01 |
| raginbajin | 1. Ensure that meeting notes get sent to Operators list | 14:01 |
| raginbajin | 2. Team needs to look for ways to break down each Monitoring and Tools sections into topics | 14:01 |
| raginbajin | 3. Next meeting work on creating a structure for the wiki | 14:01 |
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| raginbajin | Just waiting for others to join for the Operators Ops Tools and Monitoring | 14:04 |
| raginbajin | I am going to wait till 15 after the hour and if no one is here, I will end the meeting. | 14:06 |
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| raginbajin | One action item was for me to send out notes. I think the lack of participation is because of this. I will work on getting that worked out this week. | 14:17 |
| raginbajin | #endmeeting | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:17 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 15 14:17:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-15-14.00.html | 14:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-15-14.00.txt | 14:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-07-15-14.00.log.html | 14:17 |
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| eglute | #startmeeting defcore | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 15 15:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:00 | |
| zehicle | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 15:00 |
| zehicle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.8 | 15:00 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 15:00 |
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| markvoelker_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglute | Hello Everyone! Raise your left or your right hand if you are attending defcore meeting! \o | 15:01 |
| auld | o/ | 15:01 |
| catherine_d|1 | o/ | 15:01 |
| gema | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglute | Thanks to markvoelker_ and hogepodge for leading last week's meeting | 15:02 |
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| eglute | #chair zehicle | 15:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute zehicle | 15:02 |
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| eglute | #topic agenda | 15:02 |
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| eglute | please review agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.8 and add/update if you have things to dicuss that are not there already | 15:03 |
| eglute | if no comments on agenda, we will move to the midcycle discussion | 15:04 |
| eglute | #topic midcycle | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "midcycle (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:04 | |
| eglute | we have a tentative agenda for midcycle set, please review #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle | 15:05 |
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| markvoelker_ | eglute: do we have remote attendance info yet (so I can send it over to John/Kyle for 9:30/Day 1)? | 15:06 |
| zehicle | I think that we've officially adjusted times for remote attendees | 15:06 |
| eglute | markvoelker_ no not yet. | 15:06 |
| hogepodge | we're waiting on nikhil_k to set a good remote time also, and he'll need information for dial in | 15:06 |
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| eglute | #action eglute zehicle to work on info for remote attendance and send out updated invites | 15:07 |
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| eglute | thanks hogepodge for working with nikhil_k to find good times | 15:07 |
| eglute | do we need anything else for the midcycle? | 15:08 |
| zehicle | I think we're reaching the point of more planning = less effect | 15:09 |
| eglute | in that case, I would like a discussion on meeting times | 15:10 |
| zehicle | +1 | 15:10 |
| eglute | #topic meeting times | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meeting times (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:10 | |
| catherine_d|1 | We will need to register to get visitor badges for the people attending midcycle on site at IBM (eglute: has sent as a list ..) Let us know if we need to add any more names ... | 15:10 |
| eglute | right, please review the list on ehterpad link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle | 15:11 |
| eglute | #action everyone if you are attending midcycle in person, please be sure your name is on this list https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle | 15:11 |
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| AlanClark | sorry am a bit slow to jump in - Did you let the midcycle attendees know that they are invited to the board dinner on the 28th? | 15:12 |
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| zehicle | AlanClark, I thought it was the drinks after that was open | 15:12 |
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| eglute | AlanClark not yet, but can update it! | 15:12 |
| AlanClark | I'll update it | 15:13 |
| eglute | #action AlanClark send invite to the board dinner to the defcore mailing list | 15:13 |
| hogepodge | I'm in favor of going back to 15 UTC every week. I don't think we're achieving our attendance goals with the 1 UTC meeting. We can always revisit after the next summit. | 15:13 |
| eglute | thanks! | 15:13 |
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| zehicle | hogepodge, +1 | 15:13 |
| zehicle | I think that we could have a chat session at that time to involve more people | 15:14 |
| eglute | i am also in favor in going to one 15UTC since attendance at 1UTC is significantly less than that of 15UTC | 15:14 |
| eglute | I have not heard from anyone that would prefer 1UTC, and they are probably not here during this time eitehr | 15:15 |
| eglute | any other opinions on moving all meetings to 15UTC? | 15:15 |
| zehicle | FWIW, I think that we are doing a good job of making sure the discussions are on the patches | 15:15 |
| markvoelker_ | There was Konstantin who sent a note to the list preferring 15UTC. I'm fine either way. | 15:16 |
| gema | I prefer 15UTC | 15:16 |
| eglute | gema what time zone are you in | 15:16 |
| gema | UK :) | 15:16 |
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| gema | GMT | 15:16 |
| eglute | :) | 15:16 |
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| zehicle | my point is that missing a meeting does not prevent you from being part of the discussion | 15:18 |
| eglute | zehicle i agree! | 15:18 |
| gema | zehicle: agreed | 15:18 |
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| eglute | ok, so should we have one more meeting at 1UTC next week or switch it to 15UTC? | 15:18 |
| zehicle | we're not meeting the week of the offsite | 15:19 |
| zehicle | in IRC | 15:19 |
| eglute | wait that is next week? | 15:19 |
| zehicle | no, week after | 15:20 |
| zehicle | so the next meeting would be 1 UTC | 15:20 |
| hogepodge | Next week is OSCON, fwiw. | 15:20 |
| zehicle | yy | 15:20 |
| eglute | right | 15:20 |
| eglute | opinions on next week's meeting time? | 15:20 |
| zehicle | I could make the current time but not 1 UTC | 15:20 |
| zehicle | my preference would be to change to 15UTC | 15:21 |
| markvoelker_ | eglute: I can do either | 15:21 |
| zehicle | is there interest in a DefCore meetup at OSCON? | 15:21 |
| eglute | I am not attending OSCON, so either times work for me | 15:21 |
| * markvoelker_ isn't going to OSCON either | 15:21 | |
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| eglute | zehicle I think you should ask on mailing list about oscon meetup i think! | 15:23 |
| hogepodge | that just means I may be occupied. :-) Either time works for me | 15:23 |
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| eglute | ok, so I will send a note to the mailing list today letting people know about the change. If anyone from other time zones want to talk, myself and I am sure zehicle will be available for discussion via IRC or email | 15:24 |
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| zehicle | can do - will be mainly social | 15:24 |
| eglute | #action eglute will send out email about meeting time changes | 15:24 |
| eglute | #topic capabilities meeting times | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "capabilities meeting times (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:25 | |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker_ for starting ML thread on capabilities meeting times | 15:25 |
| markvoelker_ | eglute: sure. I'll send over a patch to infra as well. | 15:25 |
| eglute | markvoelker_ thank you! | 15:25 |
| eglute | #action markvoelker_ send a patch to infra about meeting times | 15:26 |
| eglute | looks like capabilities meetings will start after the midcycle | 15:26 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker_: there's also a bug in one of the wiki entries, saying our meeting is on Thursday | 15:26 |
| hogepodge | eglute: we're running out of time for initial proposal (July 27) | 15:26 |
| eglute | hogepodge the 1UTC is on thursday | 15:26 |
| eglute | hogepodge good point. I will work with zehicle on it | 15:27 |
| eglute | #action eglute and zehicle work on initial proposal | 15:28 |
| markvoelker_ | eglute: the initial proposal is really just 2015.next, isn't it? We have another month to identify new capabilities after that | 15:28 |
| zehicle | we do need to prep that for the board | 15:29 |
| eglute | markvoelker_ right, and what zehicle said | 15:29 |
| zehicle | yikes - that should be on the agenda! | 15:29 |
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| * eglute doesn't think there is coffee | 15:30 | |
| zehicle | eglute and I need to prepare a board report and setup 2015.07 | 15:30 |
| hogepodge | I'd be in favor of an extra meeting/call to work out how we want to try and prep .next for proposal to the board. | 15:30 |
| * eglute is affected by jetlag | 15:30 | |
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| markvoelker_ | zehicle: you mean 2016.01? =) | 15:30 |
| eglute | I am open this friday | 15:30 |
| * hogepodge is available all week | 15:30 | |
| zehicle | hogepodge, that's too late. we really need it this week for review | 15:30 |
| zehicle | can we get it by Friday? | 15:30 |
| eglute | i think so | 15:30 |
| zehicle | sorry to pull us off agenda... I can wait on this | 15:31 |
| zehicle | markvoelker_, no, 2015.07 would be the correct schedule | 15:31 |
| zehicle | then 2016.01 | 15:31 |
| zehicle | we should have a .next with added caps for the summit | 15:31 |
| * eglute updates agenda | 15:31 | |
| markvoelker_ | zehicle, Guidelines are named by their approval date according to 2015A (section D4). | 15:31 |
| hogepodge | It seems like 07 is going to be patching up regardless, fixing some mistakes and reconciling flags. | 15:31 |
| eglute | #topic new proposal | 15:31 |
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| zehicle | eglute, thanks | 15:32 |
| markvoelker_ | And we'd be submitting this for approval 1/27 according to the timeline (see bottom of etherpad) | 15:32 |
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| zehicle | at the last BoD meeting we committed to having a 2015.07 for review | 15:32 |
| zehicle | because of 1) sub-caps & 2) new schema | 15:32 |
| zehicle | IMHO, we really need to get that done | 15:32 |
| zehicle | the actual impact should be small | 15:32 |
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| zehicle | actual impact to vendors | 15:32 |
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| zehicle | since we're not adding caps or components | 15:32 |
| eglute | ok, so extra meeting on friday to review it? | 15:33 |
| zehicle | I suspect, yes | 15:34 |
| markvoelker_ | I'm fairly unconvinced that having another extra guideline does any good either, though. IMO if it's the same as the previous one (plus schema changes), then it just adds confusion. | 15:34 |
| zehicle | we changed the capabilities and schema. | 15:34 |
| markvoelker_ | E.g. if someone goes to the marketplace and see a bunch of vendors with 2015.05 and another set with 2015.07, does he assume they're the same? | 15:35 |
| markvoelker_ | Probably not. | 15:35 |
| zehicle | 2015.07 is the correct schedule | 15:35 |
| zehicle | you could make the same statement about 2015.04 | 15:35 |
| markvoelker_ | zehicle: how so? The 2015A timeline says otherwise. | 15:35 |
| zehicle | and 2015.07 has the prefered caps and schema | 15:36 |
| zehicle | we really want to get that into circulation | 15:36 |
| zehicle | 2015A timeline says BoD approves at the mid-cycle meeting | 15:36 |
| zehicle | which is 2015.07 | 15:36 |
| markvoelker_ | I disagree | 15:37 |
| zehicle | not really sure why there's an objection. | 15:37 |
| markvoelker_ | It says at S-3 we have a preliminary draft | 15:37 |
| markvoelker_ | And that we submit it for approval at S+3 | 15:37 |
| zehicle | yes, that draft is BASED on the appoved doc from s+3 | 15:37 |
| zehicle | so, we have both an approval and initial draft | 15:38 |
| markvoelker_ | Which would be the last Guideline, no? | 15:38 |
| zehicle | the schedule is written as approve in S+3 | 15:38 |
| markvoelker_ | Ok, so maybe I'm misunderstanding what we're submitting to the Board on 2015.07 then. We're submitting a preliminary thing and asking them to bless it, but it's not somehting people certify against? | 15:39 |
| zehicle | then use that guideline as the starting point | 15:39 |
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| zehicle | no, markvoelker_ | 15:39 |
| zehicle | we are taking what's in .next and asking the board to approve it | 15:40 |
| zehicle | then we create a new .next from that | 15:40 |
| hogepodge | .next needs work. | 15:40 |
| zehicle | and start making changes like adding more capabilities | 15:40 |
| hogepodge | I need to rebase the category changes | 15:40 |
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| hogepodge | we also need to decide if we're going to add a new list of removed flagged tests (which I would support) | 15:40 |
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| zehicle | flagged tests are not part of the BoD approval | 15:41 |
| zehicle | just the caps and components | 15:41 |
| zehicle | and designated sections | 15:41 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: no, but we might want to have a slight update to the schema to account for removed capabilities | 15:41 |
| zehicle | since BoD approves the actual JSON. the schema change should be approved | 15:41 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: (you convinced me that it's a valuable thing to have) | 15:41 |
| zehicle | I think we have removed caps | 15:42 |
| zehicle | are you thinking of removed tests? | 15:42 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: yes, for things that we removed because of hypervisor differences, for example | 15:42 |
| markvoelker_ | So, maybe we should discuss this offline. I don't want to rathole if we have other items on the agenda, but I'm failing to see why would continue to approve multiple Guidelines in a 6 month period now that we have completed the "catch up" to get a Guideline that covers the current OpenStack release. | 15:42 |
| markvoelker_ | To me that seems detrimental to interoperability. | 15:43 |
| zehicle | markvoelker_, we have not caught up until we get the subcaps and schema change in | 15:43 |
| zehicle | then we are caught up | 15:43 |
| hogepodge | plus there is a bug in keystone | 15:43 |
| markvoelker_ | zehicle: we disagree there | 15:43 |
| zehicle | since that it what was communicated to the BoD at the last meeting, I think we're in very safe ground | 15:44 |
| zehicle | I am aware we disagree | 15:44 |
| hogepodge | we have required capabilities, but not required components. It's confusing and a problem. | 15:44 |
| zehicle | components are required by the foundation for certification | 15:44 |
| zehicle | they choose which marks to offer based on components & platform | 15:44 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: I'll send up a patch illustrating what I mean | 15:45 |
| hogepodge | #action hogepodge to rebase subcaps patch | 15:45 |
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| zehicle | I don't think we're ratholed - we need a decision to have 2015.07 or not. | 15:46 |
| hogepodge | #action hogepodge to update identity requirements | 15:46 |
| zehicle | since we have limited time to get it ready | 15:46 |
| eglute | should we have a separate meeting over the phone to discuss it? | 15:46 |
| zehicle | I'd rather just resolve it | 15:47 |
| eglute | i do support zehicle on 2015.07, but I do want to make sure people are on board | 15:47 |
| markvoelker_ | zehicle: if you've committed to it then I think we have to do it. I really hope that this is the last time we rev the Guidelines so fast though. | 15:47 |
| zehicle | markvoelker_, I strongly agree with this being the last catch-up | 15:48 |
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| eglute | markvoelker_ right, we are still playing catchup | 15:48 |
| zehicle | I had wanted these two changes to make 2015.05 | 15:48 |
| zehicle | and we could not make it happen, so we are stuck with 2015.07 | 15:48 |
| zehicle | BUT... that's putting us on the right schedule at least | 15:49 |
| markvoelker_ | zehicle: I think it's broken the schedule that we talked about in Vancouver, unfortuantely. But it is what it is. | 15:49 |
| zehicle | sorry we're not on the same page there. | 15:50 |
| * zehicle ready to move on | 15:50 | |
| hogepodge | Can we have a call about this later today? | 15:50 |
| zehicle | how far off is the schema? | 15:51 |
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| eglute | hogepodge markvoelker_ zehicle i am in favor of a call later today and moving on | 15:51 |
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| catherine_d|1 | Has DefCore submitted any speaker sessions for Tokyo ... today is the last day ... | 15:51 |
| markvoelker_ | hogepodge: sure, I'll be around. I'm on the west coast today | 15:51 |
| eglute | #action eglute zehicle send out call meeting info for today | 15:51 |
| zehicle | 3-4 is ok | 15:52 |
| eglute | #topic summit proposals | 15:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit proposals (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:52 | |
| eglute | catherine_d|1 i have not submitted anything yet, but it is on my list for today. | 15:52 |
| hogepodge | I'm good all day (zehicle CDT?) | 15:52 |
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| zehicle | I did not - thought it was due Friday | 15:52 |
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| eglute | we can review proposals during the call as well. also, on IRC? | 15:53 |
| markvoelker_ | catherine_dl1: I have a talk on interoperable networking lined up that touchs on defcore (with a couple of nova/neutron folks) | 15:53 |
| eglute | anyone else submit it? | 15:53 |
| hogepodge | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-defcore-talks | 15:53 |
| eglute | thanks hogepodge | 15:53 |
| hogepodge | talk collaboration | 15:53 |
| eglute | was looking for that | 15:53 |
| hogepodge | I can submit something too. | 15:54 |
| zehicle | makes sense | 15:54 |
| eglute | hogepodge please do! let me know what | 15:54 |
| catherine_d|1 | I have sumit 1 for Refstack ... | 15:54 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, I'm assuming that summit planners will also setup a community time for us | 15:54 |
| zehicle | so we have to ask for that special? | 15:55 |
| zehicle | since we'll want to have a community session on new capabilities | 15:55 |
| zehicle | as per 2015A | 15:55 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: we do, but I can probably get something. It's harder for Tokyo because space is highly constrained | 15:55 |
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| zehicle | we need a place to discuss .next | 15:55 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: but yes, this falls under the category of institutional talk | 15:55 |
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| * eglute notes only 4 min left | 15:56 | |
| eglute | can everyone comment on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188661/ | 15:57 |
| zehicle | #agenda flag patch | 15:57 |
| zehicle | #topc flag patch | 15:57 |
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| zehicle | #topic flag patch | 15:57 |
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| eglute | #action everyone review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188661/ | 15:58 |
| eglute | thanks to all that been commenting, good discussion there | 15:58 |
| eglute | would appreciate other feedback as well | 15:58 |
| zehicle | are we done with it? | 15:59 |
| eglute | markvoelker_ still has -1 on it | 15:59 |
| zehicle | ok | 15:59 |
| eglute | so want to make sure his comments are addressed before merging | 16:00 |
| markvoelker_ | YEah, purp and I have been discussing | 16:00 |
| markvoelker_ | he's got another patch lined up that we've been talking about but I don't think he's pushed it yet | 16:00 |
| markvoelker_ | I just spoke with him this morning so I think it should go up shortly | 16:00 |
| zehicle | we'll wait for you both to +1 | 16:00 |
| zehicle | I'm ok w/ the changes being proposed | 16:01 |
| markvoelker_ | If you read the comments on the latest patch you can get a sense of what he's planning | 16:01 |
| eglute | we also need people to comment on other open patches. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/defcore,n,z | 16:01 |
| zehicle | if anyone objects, now is the time to raise the -1s | 16:01 |
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| eglute | we are out of time. further discussion in defcore irc. | 16:01 |
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| eglute | thanks everyone! | 16:02 |
| * markvoelker_ runs off to another meeting he's late for | 16:02 | |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 15 16:02:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-07-15-15.00.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-07-15-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-07-15-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
| zehicle | thanks! | 16:02 |
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| jokke_ | hello | 20:00 |
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| jokke_ | anyone up for log_wg meeting? | 20:00 |
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| nkrinner | hi | 20:00 |
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| nkrinner | jokke_: me, kind of | 20:00 |
| jokke_ | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 15 20:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:00 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 20:00 |
| jokke_ | #topic attendance | 20:00 |
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| jokke_ | #chair Rockyg | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Rockyg jokke_ | 20:00 |
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| jokke_ | courtecy call dhellmann johnthetubaguy | 20:02 |
| jokke_ | someone else we're missing? | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy: bknudson | 20:02 |
| bknudson | I'm at the keystone mid-cycle this week | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | yah. jokke_, keep the chair. I'm in two meetings at once. Blech. | 20:02 |
| jokke_ | do we have specific agenda points or do we go for open right away? | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | fyi. when we get there, I have a question/proposal that dhellmann can help decide on how to go on | 20:03 |
| nkrinner | i have something for open discussion | 20:03 |
| jokke_ | #topic open discussion | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: log_wg)" | 20:04 | |
| jokke_ | nkrinner: stage is yours | 20:04 |
| nkrinner | i was wondering if anybody submitted a talk about logging for the tokyo summit? | 20:04 |
| nkrinner | i might do so if none of the regular contributers did so | 20:05 |
| jokke_ | nkrinner: I submitted one ref this wg | 20:05 |
| nkrinner | jokke_: ok | 20:05 |
| jokke_ | if you have something specific in mind, please do so | 20:05 |
| nkrinner | then it is yours ;-) | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | nkrinner, go and add one if you have an idea... | 20:05 |
| nkrinner | i do not have anything special, but i looked at the last meetings and did not see it covered | 20:05 |
| jokke_ | nkrinner: fair enough | 20:06 |
| nkrinner | ok, i might still submitt something. let's see. but it is good to see that there is a chance that this topic is raised at the summit | 20:06 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: you had something in your mind | 20:06 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. Here's the idea. I think the spaceholders for optional log fields is less controversial and may be easier to get happening this cycle | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | I think it can be done strictly through oslo, but we still would want to put together a spec to get operators feedback | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | is that the thing where we include a '-' for a field that would be blank? | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | if we made it an option in global config, then it's backward compatible | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | Yup | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | ok, I believe we're doing that so if we're not then it's a bug and doesn't need a spec | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | are we not doing that somewhere? | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | cool. If we are doing it, we need to socialize how to get it set better. | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | I don't remember seeing it, but most of the docs are dev docs, not ops docs. | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | it's not something that needs to be set, it's just how the code should be working -- are you seeing logs with blanks in them? | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | operators do not need to do anything to enable the behavior | 20:09 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: is this about the syslog style structured data or just the '-' on empty field? | 20:10 |
| Rockyg | just the - on empty fields. | 20:10 |
| Rockyg | the ops have complained that from project to project the number of fields change in the logs | 20:10 |
| jokke_ | ok ... I'll try to do review for that in glance logs this week | 20:11 |
| jokke_ | see how they behave now | 20:11 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: is that something that has been there for a while or recent change? | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | Thanks! | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | we need someone to sit down and compare the logs to see how they're different | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | I'm not going to have time to do that for a while, so if there's some other resource who can do that we can turn the results into bugs and fix them | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: it has been our intent for it to work that way for a while. I thought it already was. | 20:13 |
| jokke_ | ++ I think biggest differencies probably comes from swift and keystone | 20:13 |
| Rockyg | great. If worse comes to worst, I can get this done at the ops midcycle. | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: ok, the swift logs are out of bounds for talking about these sorts of things -- the swift team is going to have to address any complaints themselves, because they don't use the oslo logs | 20:14 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: on, I'll verify and if it's not there I try to find the time to log a bug and submit a review for oslo.log | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | so we need someone to look at the other projects | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: ok | 20:14 |
| Rockyg | we can see if bknudson can look at keystone | 20:14 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: that was exactly my point swift is not using oslo logs and keystone is on apache which might give bit different outputs as well | 20:15 |
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| bknudson | keystone can work on eventlet or apache | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: right, we're not going to change apache logs but if keystone logs somewhere else besides apache then we can control those logs | 20:15 |
| bknudson | but eventlet server is deprecated | 20:15 |
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| dhellmann | and swift has some different requirements, so let's just leave that one alone for now -- the low hanging fruit are the projects that are all supposed to be using the same library | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | Yes. I'll see if I can get input for the various projects. | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | we need to start expressing these desires more concretely | 20:16 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: has anyone made check if any projects are still using the incubator code or has everyone moved to the actual oslo logs? | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | "everything is different" is not actionable because as a developer I wouldn't know which ones to change -- what format do you *want* | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | jokke_: I have not done that, I've been tied up with release stuff | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | I think there is still a project or two using incubator. They are supposed to be moving. | 20:17 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: fair enough ... | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | saying "project X does not log using the standard format" is actionable | 20:17 |
| jokke_ | yes, but not necessarily a bug ;) | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | true, but the action might be to say "yes, that's by design" | 20:18 |
| jokke_ | tru | 20:18 |
| jokke_ | #action jokke will check that empty fields are replaced with '-' on standard logging | 20:19 |
| Rockyg | I can double check on which projects are using oslo.log | 20:20 |
| jokke_ | #action Rockyg makes a list of projects that are still using incubated logging code | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | great, those are good steps | 20:21 |
| jokke_ | anyone going to be in ops midcycle this time? Rockyg? | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | putting the notes in an etherpad will help us track the changes, if any | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | I'll be there | 20:22 |
| Rockyg | Yup. I'm there. | 20:22 |
| Rockyg | so, maybe we can make an etherpad of info I should collect or questions to ask, or info to pass on? | 20:22 |
| jokke_ | cool ... yes and specially please probe around what are the feelings | 20:23 |
| Rockyg | Will do. | 20:24 |
| jokke_ | I do not want to be in the situation where we have no-one on the logging sessions next summit because they feel it being pointless | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | It's in August, so we have time to plan. | 20:24 |
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| jokke_ | yeah I just saw first mention about it yesterday or today so it's fresh on my mind | 20:25 |
| Rockyg | I'm still reinstalling stuff on my new laptop for instance have git and gerrit but can't clone a repo yet... | 20:25 |
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| Rockyg | and I've got booth duty at OSCon next week (what company sends senior engineers to stand around a booth?!?) | 20:25 |
| jokke_ | has anyone been able to follow up on the situation around those 2 specs over past couple of weeks? | 20:26 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: Huawei, I assume? :P | 20:26 |
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| Rockyg | xproject meeting talked about request ids again. The log has the etherpad link. | 20:26 |
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| Rockyg | they are converging on a solution for clients | 20:27 |
| jokke_ | argh ;) | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | It's either option 1 or 3. They keep bouncing back and forth. 1 is in the x-http field | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | or whatever. the x-nnn | 20:28 |
| jokke_ | how that is going to be implemented on client? :P | 20:30 |
| jokke_ | I mean wasn't the whole point to drop that convcersation for now and just focus the client support for current model? | 20:30 |
| Rockyg | It's how it gets sent to the client. What form | 20:31 |
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| jokke_ | ^^ | 20:32 |
| Rockyg | I don't think they are talking about how to generate at the moment. But, I need to look at etherpad. | 20:33 |
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| jokke_ | no worries ... sorry but I haven't had cycles lately to follow that up | 20:33 |
| jokke_ | bit too tied up with our next Helion release | 20:34 |
| Rockyg | Fun :P | 20:34 |
| jokke_ | one more thing, I just collected few poits to the agenda etherpad for next week | 20:35 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/log-wg-meeting-agenda | 20:35 |
| Rockyg | Another thing we as agroup should be doing is watching bugs against oslo.log and discussing if we should raise awareness on some | 20:35 |
| Rockyg | I likely won't make next week's meeting. It's lunch at OSCon and that's when the floor is most busy. | 20:36 |
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| jokke_ | Rockyg: ok, i'll make sure I'll be here then | 20:37 |
| Rockyg | Thanks | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | I should be here | 20:38 |
| jokke_ | last call for other items, or should we call this half way done? | 20:38 |
| Rockyg | Sounds good to me. I'm baked. | 20:39 |
| jokke_ | ok thanks everyone, we continue next week! | 20:39 |
| Rockyg | Thanks! | 20:39 |
| nkrinner | cu | 20:39 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 20:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 15 20:39:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-07-15-20.00.html | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | thanks, everyon | 20:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-07-15-20.00.txt | 20:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-07-15-20.00.log.html | 20:39 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 15 22:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 22:00 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 22:00 | |
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| rhallisey | hi | 22:00 |
| bmace | greetings | 22:00 |
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| jmccarthy1 | o/ | 22:00 |
| mandre | hi | 22:00 |
| sdake | i'll wait a couple mins for folks to appear ;) | 22:01 |
| mstachow | o/ evening | 22:01 |
| pbourke_ | hi | 22:01 |
| sdake | hi folks :) | 22:02 |
| sdake | #topic announcements | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 22:02 | |
| sdake | only real announcement is looks like ansible is coming right along | 22:02 |
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| sdake | everything seems to work which is committed so far - that is glance, keystone, galera, rabbit, and nova | 22:02 |
| sdake | the cool thing about the ansible codebase is it works well out of the box with minimum config, but allows complete customization | 22:03 |
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| sdake | oh one more hting | 22:03 |
| sdake | I will be on PTO next week | 22:03 |
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| sdake | anyone to run the meeting? | 22:04 |
| rhallisey | I can if you like | 22:04 |
| sdake | sounds good | 22:04 |
| sdake | any other announcements from community ? | 22:04 |
| sdake | #topic ci status | 22:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ci status (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 22:05 | |
| sdake | jpeeler has been woring on getting update.py running in the gate | 22:06 |
| sdake | rahter build.py in the gate | 22:06 |
| sdake | which shoudl speed up our gate runs | 22:06 |
| sdake | bmace has some work too, mind covering bmace? | 22:06 |
| bmace | sure, as of the last week pep8 actually works | 22:06 |
| bmace | some of the stuff in the pep8 test shouldn't be there, so is being broken out. a review is up for the infra guys to get that working | 22:06 |
| bmace | then i'll yank the non-pep8 tests out of the named pep8 test in our repo and it will be done. | 22:07 |
| bmace | but at least we can feel better that any python code that goes in is now appropriately covered. that is it for me. | 22:07 |
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| sdake | cool - the more gate jobs we have, the better our code willbe | 22:07 |
| sdake | (correct gate jobs) | 22:07 |
| sdake | so we want to continue to expand here as relevant | 22:08 |
| sdake | i've been thinking about ansible and the functional gate, in other words, perhaps we should just use ansible for the functional gate | 22:08 |
| sdake | since it will implement ovs to start | 22:08 |
| sdake | which we can run on one nic | 22:08 |
| sdake | any thoughts? | 22:08 |
| pbourke_ | ideally we'd have botg | 22:09 |
| pbourke_ | *both | 22:09 |
| bmace | ansible is the way we are going, the more it gets tested / covered the better imho | 22:09 |
| sdake | yes to both gates, need someone to tackle ovs for config-internal method pbourke :) | 22:09 |
| mandre | we're going to support ansible on the longer run, while it may not be true for the config internal | 22:10 |
| pbourke_ | sure I had a feeling that was the blocker | 22:10 |
| sdake | mandre support vs implement, we don't really support anything ;) | 22:10 |
| mandre | i'm ok on with only gating on functional ansible deployment at first | 22:11 |
| sdake | no openstack upstream that i am aware of provides support | 22:11 |
| sdake | cool | 22:11 |
| sdake | well hopefully someone will want to implement that ;) | 22:11 |
| sdake | any other discussion around ci? | 22:11 |
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| sdake | #topic liberty 2 planning | 22:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "liberty 2 planning (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 22:12 | |
| sdake | i'll cover the essential blueprints and make sure the state is updated | 22:12 |
| sdake | @link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/liberty-2 | 22:13 |
| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/liberty-2 | 22:13 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-aio | 22:14 |
| sdake | this seems to work | 22:14 |
| sdake | rhallisey can you run behind and set the states while i'll pull up the blueprints? | 22:14 |
| sdake | that should be "ready for review" | 22:15 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-service | 22:15 |
| sdake | this is missing neutron plus all the ancilllary services | 22:15 |
| rhallisey | k | 22:15 |
| sdake | but overall really good progress | 22:15 |
| sdake | so should probably be set to good progress since it seems to work well enough ;) | 22:15 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kolla-ansible-script | 22:16 |
| sdake | not sure what status is of this, diga you around? | 22:16 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kolla-compose-script | 22:16 |
| sdake | that is a git rename | 22:16 |
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| sdake | if anyone wants a really easy blueprint :) | 22:16 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-multi | 22:17 |
| sdake | again this is same as AIO, ready for review I think | 22:17 |
| sdake | #link Generate ini-type configuration files dynamically | 22:17 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/dynamic-configuration | 22:18 |
| sdake | this is depreactead, let me take care of that | 22:18 |
| sdake | cool that is all the essentials | 22:19 |
| sdake | i'll leave the high and below for later review unless someone wishes to discuss something now | 22:20 |
| sdake | anything that doesn't hit the started state by friday I am bumping to l3 :) | 22:20 |
| sdake | remember july 30 is our dealdine this go around, so we have 2 weeks left in this milestone | 22:20 |
| sdake | #topic mid-cycle planning | 22:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mid-cycle planning (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 22:21 | |
| sdake | #link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-kolla-midcycle-planning | 22:21 |
| sdake | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-kolla-midcycle-planning | 22:21 |
| sdake | groan | 22:21 |
| sdake | so pls open that up | 22:21 |
| sdake | we hae different group then last time | 22:21 |
| sdake | lets spend 10 minutes until 30 after tidying up this list | 22:22 |
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| sdake | so we have about 10 slots | 22:26 |
| sdake | I may ahve to merge some sessions | 22:26 |
| sdake | I think what we have is pretty good | 22:26 |
| sdake | we can call this done, and adjust as needed | 22:27 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 22:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 22:27 | |
| sdake | I'm really excited about our first midcycle, hope to see folks there the 28th and 29th :) | 22:27 |
| rhallisey | me too | 22:28 |
| sdake | with that I'll open up to open discussion | 22:28 |
| rhallisey | summit talks | 22:28 |
| rhallisey | we should make a doc with the links to the talks | 22:28 |
| sdake | ya apparently we hae about 6 people that submitted separate talks :) | 22:29 |
| sdake | lol | 22:29 |
| rhallisey | ya I did 2 | 22:29 |
| rhallisey | inc0 has 3 | 22:29 |
| rhallisey | sam has like 2 | 22:29 |
| bmace | i have one | 22:29 |
| rhallisey | nice | 22:29 |
| sdake | nice well I hope mine makes the vote cut ;) | 22:29 |
| sdake | ok well if there is nothing serious then we can go back to our cave and talk there :) | 22:29 |
| pbourke_ | night | 22:30 |
| * sdake heads back to #kolla | 22:30 | |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 22:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 15 22:30:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-07-15-22.00.html | 22:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-07-15-22.00.txt | 22:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-07-15-22.00.log.html | 22:30 |
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