Tuesday, 2015-08-11

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crinkle#startmeeting puppet-openstack15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 11 15:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is crinkle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack'15:00
crinkle#link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-2015081115:00
crinkleanyone here?15:00
iurygregoryme o/15:00
richmhello15:00
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spredzymorning15:01
crinkle#topic Review past action items15:01
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xarseso/15:01
crinklesbadia launch a initial msync on all our modules - sbadia ?15:01
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sbadiahi!15:01
mdormano/15:02
sbadiasorry for the delay15:02
bogdando\o15:02
sbadiacrinkle: still in progress15:02
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angdraugo/15:02
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mattymo_hi15:02
sbadiabut, I'll finish the clean just after the meeting15:02
sbadiaI'll send an email after on the ml15:02
mfischhey15:02
crinklePeople to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190361/ and eventually give feedback -1/+1 <-- looks like we need some more reviews15:02
iurygregorywell about the spec15:03
iurygregoryi've recived only 2 +1 and onde +215:03
iurygregoryone*15:03
mfischI will look again today15:03
iurygregoryo/ thanks mfisch15:03
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crinkle#topic Liberty status15:04
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crinkle#link blockers https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-liberty-blocker15:04
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crinkleEmilienM's been looking into this, I'm sure he would appreciate help debugging those unknown failures15:04
crinkle#topic CI15:05
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crinklepaul and emilien are working on setting up integration tests15:06
crinkle#link integration https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/puppet-openstack-integration+status:open,n,z15:07
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crinklewe're also trying to figure out how to gate that repo with a couple of "canary" beaker tests from the modules it affects15:07
spredzycrinkle, could you define "canary" please ?15:07
iurygregory++15:08
crinklespredzy: we want to be able to test a module with the changes made to the integration repo to see if the changes will break the gate for the other modules15:08
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crinklewe'd use "canary" modules in the sense that we don't feel like we need to test every single module, just a couple would be good indicators of whether things will break15:09
spredzycrinkle, ok thanks for the explanation. It makes sense15:09
crinkle(comes from https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/canary_in_a_coal_mine)15:10
iurygregorynice reference15:11
iurygregory^^15:11
* spredzy thinks poor canaries15:11
crinklewe also need to start defining a few scenarios to test against, so operator input there would be very helpful15:11
mfischhow complete would those be?15:12
crinklethat's been started in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207070/ but is not in its final form15:12
crinklemfisch: not sure15:12
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crinklemfisch: do you have something in mind?15:13
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mfischcrinkle: well you just mean small openstack scenarios?15:14
mfischlike a control node and compute node? that kind of thing?15:14
crinklemfisch: probably yes, I don't think we'd be able to handle massive deployments15:14
mfischeven a single node setup would work15:15
mfischwe do a 5 node here for our testing15:15
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crinkleawesome15:17
crinkleat some point later we can maybe start an etherpad to brainstorm what kinds of deployments to test15:17
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mfischsure15:17
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mfischwe should start small15:17
crinkleanything else on CI?15:17
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crinkle#topic Keystone v3 - always include "::domain"15:19
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crinkle#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071433.html15:19
crinklerichm: ?15:19
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richmSo how does everyone feel about having to add "::domainname" to every single Keystone domain scoped resource everywhere?15:19
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richme.g. every user has to be specified as "username::domainname"15:20
angdraugmattymo_: you've been working on v3 related patches recently, do you have a strong opinion?15:21
angdraugwould it make your life more difficult?15:21
richmFrom a purely developer standpoint - I think it's great - makes naming domain scoped resources completely unambiguous15:21
mfischeven if its foo::default?15:22
mattymo_I'd like to see it flexible and not have to specify domain in every single ref imaginable15:22
saneaxo/15:22
richmmfisch: yes, and it probably will be15:22
mfischnot sure we have any plans to use any v3 stuff here15:22
mattymo_it only applies to multidomain scenarios which are currently quite rare15:22
richmthat is, the first pass would be to just do s/name/name::Default/g15:22
mfischso Im hoping for a simple path15:22
richmThe current solution is this15:22
richm- use the name without the ::domain part if it is unique throughout all domains15:23
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bogdandolets follow KISS here15:23
richm- if there is more than one resource with the same name, if there is one in the default domain, use it without a domain e.g. "admin"15:24
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richm- otherwise, a non-unique name not in the default domain must use "::domainname"15:24
richmbogdando: The KISS approach varies depending on your perspective15:24
richmbogdando: From a puppet/ruby dev standpoint, requiring "::domainname" everywhere is a very KISS approach15:25
bogdandorichm, I mentioned provider's perspective. And I agree with your comment. Less logic in provider - the better is15:25
richmhowever, from an operator standpoint, if I have a user named "glance", there is obviously only going to be one user named "glance", no matter which domain it is in15:26
richmso if I refer to a user named "glance", the code should just "do the right thing" and find and use the one and only user named "glance"15:26
mfischand some of us dont want to deal with domains at all15:26
richmmfisch: at least, for the foreseeable future15:27
bogdandothis reminds FQDN or shortname15:27
angdraugI'm still confused about the ::default case, why s/name/name::Default/g if "if there is one in the default domain, use it without a domain"?15:27
richmangdraug: I guess I am confusing things15:27
bogdandoif there good examples for node names, we could follow15:27
richmangdraug: When I said that, I meant that if we decide to require the domain name everywhere, the easiest thing to do would be to just stick "::Default" on the name of every resource15:28
bogdandoother modules I mean, how they solve FQDN vs shortname?15:28
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richmbogdando: yes, this is similar to the problem of host naming + aliases15:29
bogdandouse_fqdn could be a good way to treat names. So, probably use_domains could help us15:29
richmbogdando: not sure what you mean - what is 'use_fqdn'?15:29
bogdandowhich switch the provider's logic15:29
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bogdandoWhen use_domains=true, foo::default would be considered as just a name, without domain15:30
bogdandosorry, typo. When use_domains=false15:30
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richmbogdando: is that a facter fact?15:30
bogdandoI think it is not, just a class (provider?) parameter15:31
richmor are you proposing a new resource parameter?15:31
bogdandorichm, yes15:31
bogdandonew param15:31
richmbogdando: I think that would be very difficult to do - e.g. if you use use_domains=true in keystone_user, you would need to use it in keystone_user_role15:32
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richma global fact I think would be the way to go - either all resources are domain aware, or none of them are15:33
richmand you will need this logic at the puppet level as well15:33
bogdandothe UX would depend on defaults15:33
HunnerAny time yop need to access something in the catalog (like use_domains) from a provider, things get ugly15:33
HunnerBecause self.instances can't really read facts, for example15:34
richmok15:34
richmthe way it works now, if there is the "::" character in a resource name, it means "use domains"15:34
richm"::" string, not character15:35
bogdandomakes sense15:35
richmmfisch: Am I correct in assuming you prefer the way it is now, where domains are not required?15:35
mfischwell perfer it out of laziness15:36
mfischprefer it15:36
richmack15:36
bogdandoso we should either "require the domain name everywhere" or benefit users who "dont want to deal with domains at all". Cannot do both15:36
richmbogdando: correct15:36
saneax2 cents, domains are realty in largeer deployments15:36
saneaxlarger*15:37
richmyes - we have to support domains, one way or another15:37
bogdandouse_domains could, but seems not a KISS at all...15:37
richmgildub is the one who is running into problems with domain support in keystone_trusts and keystone_groups15:37
richmUnfortunately he is East Australia and could not attend this meeting15:38
richmI think he has made his case in the email thread mentioned above and in the etherpad15:39
bogdandoas we cannot do both, we have no choice actually, but benefit the most part of users who may want not have domains15:40
richmbogdando: I don't know if our sample size is big enough to know if we have heard from "the most part of users"15:40
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bogdandoI don't mean the most of users don't want domains15:41
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angdraugrichm: what about adding openstack-operators to that thread, would that yield a bigger sample of users?15:41
richmangdraug: +115:41
bogdandobut we should not reject them15:41
richmas it is now, gildub doesn't really want to proceed until this issue is solved, so this is holding up key v3 features such as trusts and federation15:42
bogdandobut I personally would prefer use_domains, to address both cases15:42
crinkleokay, so continue this on the mailing list?15:43
richmcrinkle: ok15:43
crinkle#action continue keystone domains discussion on operators ml15:43
crinkle#topic Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage15:43
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angdraug#link https://review.openstack.org/19869515:44
crinklesome patches have been submitted on the agenda etherpad to review15:44
mattymo_can we discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207890/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207873/ ?15:44
angdraugI'd like to register a concern about 198695 first15:44
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angdraugit was a month between the patch being submitted and it getting a -115:45
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angdraugthe -1 was submitted yesterday so it's too early to tell if it's in disagreement or if there will be a consensus about it15:45
angdraugbut the comment is about the general principle of the commit, not code specifics15:46
alex_didenkoas for https://review.openstack.org/198695 - I've added a comment there like 20 minutes ago15:46
angdraugwhich means it shouldn't have taken a month to -1 it15:46
angdraugI said my piece, if there's no objections lets move on to mattymo_'s patches15:46
crinkleangdraug: thanks for bringing it up, we can continue discussing it on the patch15:48
sgolovatiukhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/208462/ was rebased also, it had EmilienM +2 though15:48
crinkle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207890/15:49
crinkle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207873/15:49
crinkle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208462/15:49
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angdraugmattymo_: what's changed about your keystone patches since last week?15:50
mattymo_What's tough here is how 207890+207873 should be tested.... 207890 is failing because adding "depends-on" doesn't actually ensure that code gets used15:50
mattymo_the openstackclient commands fail when you use v2.0 api in auth_url... as I reported. so we need to consider if 207873 has enough test coverage to get merged and we can finish fixing keystone15:50
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mattymo_the test case seems to be adequate, but maybe too crude in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207890/8/spec/acceptance/basic_keystone_spec.rb15:51
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mattymo_deploy normally, then add /root/openrc, apply again, add env vars, apply yet again15:51
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crinklemattymo_: the depends-on should work here15:51
mattymo_definitely covers regressions15:51
mattymo_crinkle, is it possible for you to deploy that beaker scenario and see physically if the patch to openstacklib is there?15:52
mattymo_I've spent the entire day trying to get a beaker deployment up15:52
crinklemattymo_: we can't use depends-on for local testing15:53
angdraugis there a dev-usable canned beaker env anywhere?15:54
mattymo_ok so we have a chicken and egg scenario?15:54
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mattymo_depends-on should work, but we can't prove it15:54
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bogdandodo you mean gerrit dependency or just a commit message?15:55
angdraugcommit message15:55
mattymo_bogdando,  dependency so that puppet-keystone uses my puppet-openstacklib patchset15:55
crinklemattymo_: I can investigate after the meeting15:55
bogdandounderstood15:55
crinklewe specifically set it up to work15:55
bogdandoseems like a major dev issue15:56
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crinkleto emulate it locally you can modify http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/puppet-keystone/tree/spec/spec_helper_acceptance.rb#n48 to copy the module from a local directory15:56
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crinklebut we don't have a good solution to make beaker just do it based on the commit message15:56
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mattymo_as a short term workaround, we could push forward and consider my openstacklib patch first15:57
angdraug3 minutes left15:57
mattymo_but if someone wants to discuss another bug, go ahead15:57
angdraugaction?15:57
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angdraugor back to ML?15:57
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crinkle#action crinkle to check on depends-on functionality in CI15:58
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crinkleI can do that quickly and if we find out it really doesn't work we can test the patch locally with my workaround ^ and go from there15:59
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crinkleany other patches?15:59
crinkle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:fix_fixtures,n,z15:59
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iurygregoryif you have time https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190361/15:59
iurygregory^^15:59
crinkle#link https://review.openstack.org/20257415:59
bogdandojust please make more reviews, nothing more to add from my side, I'm not a patch author15:59
crinkle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:inifile_proxy_provider,n,z15:59
crinkleokay, thanks everybody16:00
crinkle#endmeeting16:00
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mugsiehey16:01
johnsomHi there16:02
KunalGandhihello16:02
xgermanhi16:02
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mugsie#startmeeting Kosmos16:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 11 16:03:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kosmos'16:03
johnsomo/16:03
mugsiemay as well start using the right name :)16:03
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mugsieagenda has not changed since last week - my bad16:04
mugsie#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GSLB16:04
mugsie#topic Polaris16:04
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mugsie#link https://github.com/polaris-gslb/polaris-description16:04
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mugsiedid anyone get a chance to look at ^16:04
mugsie#link https://github.com/polaris-gslb/polaris-core16:05
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mugsiesorry, they actually opensourced the code base16:05
johnsomSadly, no, I haven't had a chance to peak at it16:05
mugsieI thouight the main point of interest is the status checking16:05
mugsieas we will have to integrate the rest into OpenStack16:06
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mugsieI unfortunatly haven't had a chance to look either16:06
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mugsiecan we all agree to look at this before next week?16:06
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johnsomYes16:06
KunalGandhi@mugsie .. yes16:06
mugsieOK.16:07
mugsie#topic Any Other Business16:07
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mugsieanyone have any off agenda topic to discuss?16:07
KunalGandhii wanted to bring up a discussion on the roadmap of kosmos16:07
johnsomAre you working on gerrit setup?16:07
mugsiejohnsom: yeah, dougwig has a review up to get it all created16:07
mugsiewe may need to poke -infra16:08
johnsomOk, I will hunt for it and give my lowly +116:08
dougwigpartially here. got pulled into a last minute call.16:08
mugsie#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201658/16:08
mugsiedougwig: np - i think this will be a quick meeting16:08
johnsomThanks16:08
mugsieKunalGandhi: sure - what are you thinking of for the roadmap?16:09
mugsietime lines etc?16:09
mugsieor features?16:09
KunalGandhiyes.. we sort of wanted to get a MVP running in the next couple of months16:09
mugsieyup16:09
KunalGandhihopefully something going to demo for the summit16:09
KunalGandhiso maybe targeting that in mind, features, technical discussion, arch review, etc.16:10
mugsieI think next step should be a reference arch - very high level. we can then break up the work into the different services16:10
KunalGandhi@mugsie .. i agree.. an arch review would be required..16:10
KunalGandhinext..16:10
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KunalGandhiso i can take up the task to build a high level arch diagram..16:11
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mugsiecool16:11
mugsie#action KunalGandhi to build high level arch diagram16:11
mugsiewe dont have to wait until this meeting to do the inital review either - sent it to the list and the IRC room whenever you have something16:12
KunalGandhican we also get a list of features that we need for the MVP..16:12
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KunalGandhi@mugsie .. ok i will do that16:12
mugsie#link etherpad.openstack.org/p/kosmos-mvp-feature-list16:13
mugsielist them out ^16:13
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KunalGandhiok cool16:13
mugsieand we can circle back over the next week16:14
KunalGandhiok16:14
mugsieany other off agenda topics?16:14
mugsieOK16:15
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mugsie#endmeeting16:16
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mugsiethanks all o/16:16
xgermanthanks16:16
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