Monday, 2015-09-14

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nikhil_k#startmeeting glance_artifacts_sub_team14:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 14 14:00:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance_artifacts_sub_team'14:01
ativelkovo/14:01
dshakhrayo/14:01
nikhil_kSo, we do not have a set agenda for today.14:01
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nikhil_kI wanted to quickly sync for some highlights that we need to prep for the summit14:02
nikhil_kyou guys okay with that/14:02
nikhil_k?14:02
ativelkovnikhil_k: sure14:02
nikhil_k#topic summit prep items14:02
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nikhil_kSO, we are still in EXPERIMENTAL API phase14:02
mfedosino/14:02
nikhil_kand we are aware that there's lot of work ativelkov is doing to fix that14:03
ativelkovwe have 3 ppl here working with that14:03
nikhil_khowever, with the dis-grumblement from people on GLance14:03
mfedosinyep, we're discussing it a lot these days14:03
sigmavirus24o/14:03
nikhil_kI wanted to see how better can we communicate and make this an interactive project for the community14:04
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nikhil_kTHere's a accepted  session on this at Tokyo summit14:04
nikhil_kcan we do something prior to that?14:04
nikhil_kMay be start with a blog? ativelkov ?14:04
ativelkovnikhil_k: sounds nice. So, you need a blog on basic concepts of v3-to-be?14:05
nikhil_kAlso, would documenting use cases and the reasoning behind the API , would that make sense?14:05
mfedosinI hope this week we'll write a bunch of docs and proposals for v314:05
nikhil_kativelkov: yes, I think what we have in etherpad isn't very reachable across domains14:05
nikhil_kmay be start with v3-to-be starting with the already documented stuff14:06
sigmavirus24mfedosin: how's the API spec coming?14:06
nikhil_kin a blog14:06
sigmavirus24speaking of docs and proposals for v3 ;)14:06
nikhil_kthat's the reason for the blog-ask sigmavirus2414:06
nikhil_kso that openstackers non-glancers will find it convenient and easy read14:07
ativelkovnikhil_k: where should that be published?14:07
nikhil_kand make effort to provide feedback on already existing use cases14:07
ativelkovopenstack wiki?14:07
nikhil_kativelkov: that sounds good14:07
ativelkovWe can try making it to mirantis blog, but the corporate approvals will take time14:07
mfedosinsigmavirus24, I'm in two minds - to abandon the current spec and write new from scratch or to update it with new PS to Mitaka14:07
nikhil_kI think we should leave some links incl. spec, an etherpad for discussion etc for people to provide feedback on that14:08
ativelkovmfedosin: abandoning is bad idea, as it has some feedback from reviewers14:08
nikhil_kativelkov: openstack wiki sounds simpler to me too14:08
mfedosinmany things is going to be changed there14:08
ativelkovand we are trying to address that feedback, not to hide it14:08
nikhil_kativelkov: so that it's easier to update and add a watch on the page14:08
ativelkovits fine if the new patchset changes 100% of lines of code, but please leave all that comments in place14:09
ativelkovnikhil_k: got it. Will do14:09
nikhil_kThank you.14:09
sigmavirus24mfedosin: new patchsets are fine for that purpose14:09
sigmavirus24I just want a spec describing the API that's somewhere even if it isn't technically approved for L14:09
mfedosinativelkov, sigmavirus24, okay. I got you :)14:09
nikhil_kOne more thing that keeps bothering me.14:10
nikhil_kWe currently do not have any driver in glance for artifacts14:10
nikhil_keven though, it's a big project and priority for glance as we picked for L14:11
nikhil_kI wanted to do one more round of rotation this week and propose one of you for this reason14:11
ativelkovSo, this is technically a core-reviewer for artifact specs?14:12
nikhil_kthere's been enough work on this topic, good interaction on corres specs and discussion on images too14:12
nikhil_kativelkov: for all glance-specs14:12
mfedosinI agree :)14:12
nikhil_kI don't think any glance spec can be ignored on the impact it will have on artifacts for non-artifact proposal (too)14:12
ativelkovAgree14:12
nikhil_kand visa versa14:13
ativelkovyes, it makes sense - especially given that we'll wrap v2 under the v3 hood14:13
mfedosinconsider me as a volunteer14:13
ativelkov+1 on mfedosin nomination :)14:13
mfedosinbtw, will anyone use this wrap?14:14
mfedosinI mean it's easier to use v2 directly, isn't it?14:14
nikhil_kso, I was hoping to add ativelkov just on the basis that he's been around for the longest period of time and driven artifacts for so long but I can add mfedosin if he has more b/w and on the same page as previously discussed approch for artifacts as well as interactive updates to the same14:14
mfedosinadd both ;)14:14
nikhil_kjust wanted to throw that out there14:15
ativelkovnikhil_k: Mike has more time available: I'm at least 50% Murano right now14:15
nikhil_kso that there's good justification for the this nomination14:15
nikhil_kativelkov: gotcha.14:15
nikhil_kmfedosin: thanks for the ack14:15
ativelkovI'll keep an yey on the specs as well, but cannot make any signifcant time commitments14:15
nikhil_ksounds good14:15
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mfedosinI'll try my best to review all the specs14:16
nikhil_k#action nikhil_k to propose mfedosin for glance-specs core nomination14:16
ativelkovmfedosin: if some artifact type needs a (dynamic) reference to an image-as-artifact, it will use v314:16
nikhil_kmfedosin: I think what we need more now is cross team collaboration and some feedback +1/-1 directions to specs, attending drivers meeting is big plus!14:17
nikhil_kwhatever you can help with on those fronts would be helpful towards building a stronger community14:17
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mfedosinIt's a little bit tricky, because I have downstream meeting at the same time14:18
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nikhil_kmfedosin: no worries, we can reschedule if needed or pick stuff up on thursday at allocated time slot14:18
mfedosinbut I think I can handle it14:18
nikhil_kcool14:18
nikhil_kThat was it from my end for today.14:18
nikhil_k#open discussion14:18
nikhil_k#topic open discussion14:19
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mfedosinLet's talk about commits on review14:19
ativelkovnikhil_k: are you aware that we are co-presenting a talk on Glance Api evolution of the main summit? :)14:19
mfedosinwe made a list of Murano blockers14:19
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nikhil_kativelkov: haha, that's what I meant earlier in this meeting today. the approved summit talk on the glance v3 api :)14:19
mfedosinhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fastTrackPatches14:19
ativelkovnikhil_k: ah, got it.14:20
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nikhil_kativelkov: thanks though!14:20
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ativelkovThanks for the link, mfedosin14:20
ativelkovSo, there are 6 fastTrack patches which are blockers for Murano14:20
nikhil_kmfedosin: can we categorize them based on bugs and API, config etc impact that would not be proper for Liberty RC period?14:20
nikhil_kI am looking if all are bugs or not..14:21
mfedosinnikhil_k, yes, sure. in etherpad?14:21
nikhil_kmfedosin: yes, please14:21
ativelkovnikhil_k: all of them are bugs in the experimental part of the API14:21
nikhil_kativelkov: I see, that should be fine. mostly14:22
ativelkovSome still has the APIImpact flags though, but that are actually bugs, not the "new features" or changes14:22
nikhil_kexcellent. thank you.14:22
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mfedosinI'm not sure that we have to merge all of them, but it's better to close as much bugs as we can14:24
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nikhil_kmfedosin: it would be nice to know if murano team is going to be affected by those blockers severely14:26
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nikhil_kit would be bad to break things for them when we could have avoided!14:26
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nikhil_kso, please let me know if there are specific patches to look out for in RC14:27
nikhil_kand I will try to review and get reviews14:27
nikhil_kativelkov: ^14:27
ativelkovnikhil_k: the first 6 patches are realu blockers for Murano14:28
ativelkovreally*14:28
* sigmavirus24 wonders the value of using "ApiImpact" for those changes14:28
mfedosinand we reviewed them carefully14:28
ativelkovsigmavirus24: that's what I was asked to do even for experimental part of the API14:29
nikhil_ksigmavirus24: how bad is it?14:29
nikhil_ksigmavirus24: may be not even put that flag there?14:29
sigmavirus24ativelkov: wasn't saying you were doing anything wrong14:29
nikhil_kI am trying to think who all are interested in that flag14:30
sigmavirus24nikhil_k: so that tends to indicate an impact on a stable API first of all, second of all, that is supposed to attract API WG member attention14:30
nikhil_kI see14:30
sigmavirus24Third, when combined with a DocImpact flag that files a bug on the api-site repo I think14:30
nikhil_kto me it was a tool for grepping through commits and figure out how API evolved14:30
sigmavirus24And if that has documentation for artifacts I'd be a little surprised given how volatile the API is14:30
ativelkovwell, for example, the first patch puts the output of list artifacts from just a json array into a proper object14:31
sigmavirus24nikhil_k: maybe a different tag then that's specific to that case then?14:31
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nikhil_ksigmavirus24: I see, that's a good point.14:31
sigmavirus24ativelkov: sure, I'm not saying this is wrong, just that perhaps we should use a different flag because we could be spamming other teams in openstack14:31
nikhil_kwe should chat on -glance14:31
nikhil_kwe are out of time here14:31
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nikhil_kthanks all for joining!14:31
ativelkovThanks!14:31
mfedosinthanks!14:31
nikhil_k#endmeeting14:31
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banixhmmm, did kuryr meeting get canceled by any chance?15:02
VikasCwaiting for same15:03
VikasClast week also it started a bit late15:03
daneyonI didn't see a cancelation.15:03
tfukushimaI'm waiting as well...15:04
salv-orlandoaloha?15:04
banixok, we’ll wait a couple of more minutes :)15:04
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banixwell, we can discuss anything we have on our mind while we are here15:06
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tfukushimaThe current submitted patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/kuryr,n,z15:07
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banixis Diga around?15:08
banixIf you guys can have a look at the config patches it would be good; I submitted a patch but we can abandon it….15:10
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banixhey diga15:12
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digahi banix15:13
banixno meeting as of now since  Antonie and Gal are not around15:13
banixdiga: please have a look at the config patch i submitted and the comments i left on your patch15:13
banixdiga: when you get a chance that is15:14
digasure banix15:14
digaI am also waiting for Toni & Gal15:14
banixgsagie_ are you around?15:14
tfukushimaOr someone can just start. I don't know how to set the topic and so on though. :-p15:15
banixtfukushima: I don’t see an agenda for the meeting either15:15
banix#startmeeting kuryr15:15
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 14 15:15:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is banix. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:15
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:15
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banixHere we fo15:16
tfukushimaThanks, banix.15:16
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banixGal and Toni don’t seem to be around and I do not see an agenda posted15:16
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banixGal is off today. Happy Rosh Hashanah :)15:17
banixAnyway let’s have a quick open discussion15:17
banix#topic Open Discussion15:17
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tfukushimaWe usually discuss our updates e.g., VIF binding and IPAM these days.15:18
digaGuys, I am submitting VIF patch with tests & exception tomorrow15:18
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banix@diga I also left a comment regarding the vif binding15:19
digayes, I saw those15:19
banixIs it settled that we want vif binding as binaries?15:19
digayes15:19
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digabanix : my dad is hospitalized, can I leave early today ?15:20
banixdiga: yes of course15:20
digaThanks :)15:21
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tfukushimaFor IPAM, I updated my patches and now it reuses the existing subnets if it's necessary.15:21
digawill ping you tomorrow15:21
banixdiga: I am sorry to hear that. Hope everything will be alright soon15:21
banixsalv-orlando: are you still around?15:21
tfukushima#link IPAM(CreateEndpoint) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210052/15:21
digayes, he is getting discharge today15:21
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digaso I need to take him to the home15:21
banixdiga: great. yes of course.15:22
digathanks, see you tomorrow15:22
banixtfukushima: do you have anything you want to discuss, any reviews?15:22
banixI see the link above15:22
tfukushimaYeah, I'd appreciate if salv-orlando could take a look at it.15:23
banix@tfukushima I will review it today15:23
tfukushimaDeleting the Docker endpoint also takes care of that model now.15:23
tfukushimaThanks, banix.15:23
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tfukushima#link IPAM(DeleteEndpoint) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210053/15:23
banixI will review all the patches out there today.15:25
tfukushimaIn this model, Kuryr tries to delete the subnets which IDs are contained in the port to be deleted. But if the subnet is still referred from other ports, python-neutronclient would get the exception.15:25
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tfukushimaKuryr records that and keeps going on.15:26
banix@tfukushima I see15:26
banixwhat about when the last port is deleted?15:26
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banixWouldn’t a dhcp port prevent the deletion?15:26
tfukushimabanix: Oh, I might miss that possibility. Could you give me the pointer to DHCP port?15:27
banix@tfukushima if we have dhcp enabled (which is what we want in most cases), then a port is created for the dnsmaq to provide dhcp services15:28
tfukushimaI want to examine if a subnet has any port but it seems there's any good way to achieve that. So I took this nasty approach, try to delete and catch exceptions if it was failed.15:29
tfukushimaOk, that sounds my code is flawed.15:30
banixyou can know if the port is a dhcp port; will leave comment on your patch15:30
banixtfukushima: not flawed, may need to be modified a bit15:30
banixanything else to discuss now? if not let’s call it a day :)15:32
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apuimedotfukushima: sorry for the delay15:33
banix#chair apuimedo15:33
openstackCurrent chairs: apuimedo banix15:33
tfukushimaNP. banix is generously organising the meeting now.15:33
apuimedo:-)15:33
apuimedothanks banix15:33
banixnp15:33
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apuimedoWe're on open discussion already, right?15:34
banixapuimedo: we started there :)15:34
apuimedooh, good15:34
banixDidn’t see an agenda15:34
apuimedobanix: well, it was just reviewing the state after the virtual sprint15:34
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apuimedobut I propose to go over that tomorrow in #openstack-neutron15:35
banixapuimedo: please go ahead with the discussion15:35
banixok15:35
apuimedowho's here for the meeting?15:35
apuimedoif we are enough we might as well do it now15:35
banixi think some may have left15:36
apuimedobut I think we don't have much of a quorum15:36
banixyeah15:36
apuimedobanix: tfukushima: do you have some update that is not yet on the logs of this meeting?15:36
banixI will review all the patches15:36
apuimedobanix: thanks15:36
banixno, i submitted a patch for config, diga can see if useful15:36
apuimedotfukushima: did you submit the delete subnet with the try except approach?15:37
tfukushimaYes, I did.15:37
apuimedogreat15:38
tfukushimaBut banix pointed out that could have some problems when we have DHCP ports.15:38
apuimedoIIRC it is configurable whether those prevent subnet deletion15:38
banixtfukushima: now i am wondering iof the delete subnet logic has that15:38
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apuimedo#action apuimedo to review remaining tfukushima patches by 15th15:38
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banixyes apuimedo that may be the case15:39
apuimedobanix: I read that code some time ago15:39
apuimedobut I'm almost sure it is now possible15:39
banixapuimedo: and I did probably before then :)15:39
apuimedo#action tfukushima apuimedo: to check about special ports and subnet/net deletion15:39
apuimedoany other topic?15:40
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apuimedobanix: did you put me as a reviewer to your patch?15:40
banixbanix: will do if not there15:40
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apuimedothanks15:41
tfukushimaI found new patches as well although I was not added to their reviewers.15:41
tfukushimaSo we need to check out the following link periodically.15:42
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apuimedowhich?15:42
tfukushima#link Kuryr patches https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/kuryr,n,z15:42
apuimedotfukushima: right. But people should be proactive in adding reviewers15:42
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apuimedoI'll keep an eye out though15:43
apuimedosince there are no more topics, Thank you all for joining, specially banix for covering for my emergency absense15:43
apuimedo#endmeeting15:43
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banixbye15:43
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apuimedobanix: bye15:43
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SukhdevHello folks time for meeting16:00
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jrollohai!16:00
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yhvhhi16:01
lazy_prince0/16:01
Sukhdev#startmeeting ironic_neutron16:01
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Sukhdev#topic: Agenda16:01
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Sukhdev#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_September_14.2C_201516:01
SukhdevFolks, the agenda is more towards the testing and integration today -16:02
Sukhdevfeel free to add anything that you would like to discuss in addition16:02
SukhdevSo, lets dive into this16:02
Sukhdev#topic: Announcements16:02
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SukhdevIronic soft FF is this week16:02
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Sukhdevjroll: can you elaborate on this?16:03
jrollSukhdev: we aren't merging anything remotely risky after thursday16:03
jrollin preparation for the integrated liberty release next thursday16:03
lazy_princeso does that mean we are targeting Mitaka..?16:04
Sukhdevjroll: I added to the agenda a topic about merging some of the patches16:04
jrolland we've decided these patches are already too risky to merge at this point16:04
jrollI saw16:04
jrolllazy_prince: yes16:04
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lazy_princeack..16:05
SukhdevLets discuss later in the meeting - if we can have some patches merged (if we feel we are ready)16:05
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Sukhdevjroll: thanks for clarification16:05
Sukhdev#topic: Integration Test Status16:06
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SukhdevAs you all know I have been trying to test end-to-end all of our patches16:06
SukhdevI have posted my findings on the etherpad - at the bottom16:06
Sukhdev#link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-neutron-mid-cycle16:06
SukhdevI do not know if you had a chance to look at it yet16:07
* lazy_prince will address some of those in next patchsets..16:07
yhvhI added validation to the api layer today16:07
SukhdevI noticed yhvh pushed couple of updated patches this morning16:07
yhvhneeds review16:07
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Sukhdevyhvh: yup - saw them this morning - will test them in the next go16:08
lazy_princefor 194413, do we have a patch to update the node object with network_provider attribute..?16:08
lazy_princeI was planning to do that later but looks like I will need to do it soon..16:09
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Sukhdevlazy_prince: which one is 194413?16:10
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jrollI haven't done it, I thought that was part of one of the existing patches :(16:10
lazy_princejroll: I will address that in my patch.. Anyways, I have a todo in patch to get it done..16:11
Sukhdevlazy_prince: presently, I have hard coded that value to make forward progress so that I can test the rest of the stuff16:12
jrollok16:12
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Sukhdevlazy_prince: I forgot to list that in my list of findings :-):-)16:12
lazy_princeSukhdev: good to know that its not a blocker for you..16:13
Sukhdevlazy_prince: thanks for looking into this16:13
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Sukhdevlazy_prince: because, I could hard code the value :-):-)16:13
Sukhdevlazy_prince: BTW, in the comments, it says somewhere that the it should be set to neutron - which tripped me16:14
Sukhdevlazy_prince: later I discovered it should be neutron_plugin - that made it work :-)16:14
lazy_princeHowever, I had discussion with jroll on gate failure for the cleaning port stuff... do we want to discuss that now or shall i bring it later..?16:14
Sukhdevlazy_prince: This is good time16:15
lazy_princeaha.. so I was thinking that we write a flat_neutron_provider for now to make the gates work which will imitate the existing behaviour and let the gates pass..16:16
jrollhmm16:17
jrolland that would be "neutron dhcp + flat network"?16:17
jrolland 'none' would be "don't manage dhcp + flat network"?16:17
lazy_princeyup.. as in current form, neither none nor neutron_plugin will work for cleaning port stuff..16:17
jrollfwiw, the gate is basically testing for backwards compatibility right now, as it uses the existing method16:18
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jrolllazy_prince: does 'none' still create ports and such for the provisioning network? is there a reason we can't do the same for cleaning network?16:19
lazy_princethis way everyone will be happy I guess and we will not break responsibility distribution to dhcp plugin and network provider plugin..16:19
jrolldevananda: ^ you may be interested in this conversation, btw16:19
lazy_princenone does not create the ports..16:19
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* devananda lurks16:19
jrolllazy_prince: oh, because nova does it16:19
jroll:/16:20
lazy_princeyes.. and the assumption is that none will be used in non-vlan environment..16:20
jrollright, but we still need to be able to clean in that environment16:20
lazy_princeyeah.. so in that case, we need to update the none (Noop) provider to actually do the flip for cleaning-network..16:22
jrollyeah, I think that's the best route, rather than a new provider16:22
lazy_princewhich is against Noop driver as it is supposed to do no operation.. :)16:22
jrollleave the cleaning port creation in the dhcp stuff, and then pass the ports it creates to the network provider interface to be updated16:23
jroll(and either no-op or add physical port info)16:23
lazy_princeI am wondering how will the neutron side behave...16:23
lazy_princeSukhdev: ^^16:24
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* Sukhdev digesting the discussion 16:24
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jrolllazy_prince: in terms of?16:25
jrollit should behave fine, I don't see why not16:25
lazy_princewhen dhcp will create the port, it will still need the local_link_information... as the mech driver will need it...16:25
jrollwhat I suggested is equivalent to what we do for tenant networks between ironic and nova16:26
SukhdevI am thinking the same way as jroll  - it should be fine16:26
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jrollnova creates the port without local link info, and then we update it16:26
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jrollthis is the same thing16:26
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lazy_princeokay.. got it...16:27
Sukhdevyup - keep in mind, when you do not set the local link information, also, ensure to set the host_id to none16:27
Sukhdevcurrently, when you issue nova boot - I see original call from nova to neutron does not have local-link information16:28
Sukhdevand later in the subsequent call it comes in -16:28
lazy_princeright..16:28
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lazy_princeso when dhcp provider creates the port, it would create the port without host id and without local_link_info...16:29
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Sukhdevjroll: Oh BTW, one more issue I noticed (which I forgot to log) - when host_id is not set, we need to still set the vnic_type to "baremetal' - I noticed this is not set16:29
jrollSukhdev: right, I never made a patch like that, I thought you wrote that patch?16:30
lazy_princeand when the call comes to network provider, depending on the network provider, it will populate the host id and local_link_info..16:30
jrolllazy_prince: correct16:30
lazy_princeand if that network_provider happens to be noop, then it only populates the host id..16:31
Sukhdevjroll: my patch makes the neutron/nova API interface happy, it actually does not set the vnic_type16:31
jrollSukhdev: oh, ok16:31
jrolllazy_prince: yep16:31
jrolllazy_prince: actually, hrm, I think we should only not populate host_id when using the neutron providr16:32
jrollbecause, as you said, noop provider shouldn't touch neutron16:32
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lazy_princeif we do that, gates will still fail as the devstack does not populates the local_link-info for the ports..16:33
jrollerm, network provider should default to none16:33
jrolland we should have another job at some point that tests this with the neutron provider16:33
lazy_princeyup.. but then in a valid use case, with dhcp provider should populate the lli, so that neutron_plugin can set the host_id..16:35
jrollright, we'll need to add code to devstack to do that, and create a job that triggers it16:35
lazy_princeI hope we should not end up with one provider setting up only hostid and the other adding hostid and lli..16:35
Sukhdevjroll lazy_prince: Is either one of you tracking or planning on this?16:36
lazy_princeSukhdev: you can put action on me..16:37
Sukhdev#action: lazy_prince to look into gate and devstack related cleanup16:37
lazy_princeI will come up with a write up and circulate around the dev list.. to make sure what we agreed on..16:37
Sukhdevlazy_prince: done :-)16:38
lazy_princeSukhdev: ty16:38
Sukhdevlazy_prince: please add a link to the etherpad as well -16:38
lazy_princeSukhdev: sure..16:38
Sukhdevlazy_prince: when are you planning on pushing the updated patches?16:39
lazy_princeSukhdev: as soon as I have them ready.. :)16:39
Sukhdevi saw yhvh pushed updated patches - I will update my environment only when all of these ready -16:39
Sukhdevit is takes too much time to get everything going :-):-)16:39
Sukhdevlazy_prince: ha ha -- that really helps me with planning :-):)16:40
Sukhdevi will look for emails and act accordingly16:40
lazy_princeI was held up with something else last week.. Will take some time out this week to get the patches rolling out..16:40
Sukhdevlazy_prince: cool - thanks16:41
Sukhdevanything else we want to discuss on this topic?16:41
Sukhdev#topic: patch merge decision16:41
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SukhdevI added this topic for the sake of discussion -16:42
Sukhdevnow that we know we are not going to make it in Liberty -16:42
SukhdevI though we discuss if it make sense to merge some of our patches -16:42
jrollin Liberty?16:42
Sukhdevjroll: yes16:43
Sukhdevanything which does not impact the main functionality16:43
jrollthe first few aren't terribly useful without the rest, IMO16:43
jrolland the first patch is failing unit tests16:43
lazy_princeyeah.. and even if we merge, what use they would serve without the others..16:44
jrollright16:44
Sukhdevjroll: I bring it from the patch management point of view -16:44
jrollI don't want to spend reviewer time on it if it isn't useful16:44
SukhdevIf you want to test anything you have to deal with applying all the patches - I was thinking if some of these merge (the ones which will not impact the baseline)16:45
Sukhdevthen we have less number of patches to manage and continue to test forward16:45
lazy_princemy point is, if we merge half solution, it may create confusion among users...16:45
jrollsure, but it doesn't make sense from a project perspective16:45
jrollit would be odd to have this stuff in the DB/API and not usable16:46
jroll(not to mention (again) that these are failing tests so we can't merge them anyway)16:46
jrolland again, reviewer time is a rare commodity16:46
lazy_prince+116:46
Sukhdevjroll lazy_prince: understood - hence, I wanted to just discuss only :-)16:47
jrollyep16:47
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SukhdevOK - in that case, we will put this discussion to rest16:47
yhvhI think I should move those tests later in the patchset16:47
jrollyhvh: it's also existing tests failing16:48
jrolle.g. FAIL: ironic.tests.api.v1.test_ports.TestPost.test_create_port16:48
yhvhah kk I will look into it16:48
SukhdevAre any of you testing these patches as well?16:49
jrollyhvh: it's a wsme thing, lucasagomes might be able to help you, he's aware of why this happens16:49
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yhvhjroll: ty16:49
jrollnp16:50
lazy_princeSukhdev: me..16:50
Sukhdevlazy_prince: can you please log your findings at the etherpad (at the bottom) as well?16:50
lazy_princebut as I said, I have not been able to spend much on this...16:50
lazy_princewill do if i find anything obvious..16:51
Sukhdevlazy_prince: cool16:51
lazy_prince(Time check: 9 mins )16:51
Sukhdevlazy_prince: thanks16:51
SukhdevI am mostly done with what I wanted to discuss16:52
Sukhdev#topic: Open Discussion16:52
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lazy_princewhats the update on docs..16:52
Sukhdevlazy_prince: no update - this part is lagging16:52
jrollwho was supposed to be getting started on that?16:53
lazy_princewell.. okay.. since we have moved to Mitaka, we have more time now...16:53
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lazy_princeumm.. some one from Japan, I guess.. I do not remember his name..16:53
Sukhdevjroll: akihiro had volunteered for neutron side - but, he had family emergency - I have not been able to track him16:53
jrollah16:54
jrolllazy_prince: pshige_ maybe?16:54
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Sukhdevno amotoki16:54
lazy_princeyes.. amotoki16:54
SukhdevWe do not have any volunteer for the Ironic side of documentation16:54
jrolloh16:55
Sukhdevin the neutron side, we have a core responsible for documentation, and we coordinate with him - do we have something similar on the Ironic side?16:55
jrollpshige_ is our docs liasion, but I'd love it if we had someone else responsible for writing the docs on this16:56
cragusaI can be the one for ironic16:56
jroll\o/16:56
jrollthanks cragusa.16:56
Sukhdevcragusa: perfect - shall I assign to the action?16:56
cragusayes16:56
lazy_princecragusa: let us know if you need more info on this..16:57
cragusaas is for16:57
cragusasorry about that, sure I will16:57
Sukhdev#action: cragusa to work on documenting Ironic-Neutron integration in Ironic documentation16:57
lazy_princeinfo as in how it works/what to document etc..16:57
cragusawhat deadline do we have being now for Mitaka?16:57
lazy_princeprobably M116:58
Sukhdevwe should shoot for M116:58
jrollmilestones aren't a thing in ironic16:58
jrolllet's say ASAP :)16:58
Sukhdevjroll: +116:58
cragusa:)16:58
jrollcragusa: basically I'd like to land docs around the same time as the code16:58
cragusasure, will do that16:59
jrolla bit later is fine16:59
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jrolldocs are published from master anyway16:59
Sukhdevcragusa: we are here to help - feel free to ping us16:59
cragusasure, thanks16:59
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SukhdevAnything else?16:59
Sukhdevtime is up -17:00
lazy_princebye..17:00
Sukhdevthanks for attending folks, this was very productive discussion17:00
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cragusabye17:00
Sukhdevbye17:00
Sukhdev#endmeeting17:00
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SukhdevHello L2 GW folks17:00
jrollthanks all17:00
SukhdevAre we ready for our meeting?17:00
vikashi sukdev17:00
vikasyes17:01
Sukhdev#startmeeting networking_l2gw17:01
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Sukhdevhi vikas17:01
Sukhdevmondays are crazy for me - back-to-back meetings :-)17:02
vikas:-)17:02
Sukhdevwho else is here? please give me a shout17:02
Sukhdevarmax: are you here?17:02
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armaxmaybe17:02
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Sukhdevarmax: ah ha - I was looking for you in neuron channel -17:03
Sukhdevarmax: we need you here - as I have couple of items where we need you17:03
armaxk17:03
Sukhdevlooking maruti is not here yet17:04
Sukhdev#topic: Agenda17:04
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Sukhdev#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/L2Gateway17:04
Sukhdev#topic: Announcements17:04
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SukhdevLiberty is around the corner - RC1 is in the works17:05
SukhdevLater we will discuss when do we want to release?17:05
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SukhdevAnybody has any announcements?17:05
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gsagie_I have a general question, is L2GW aimed at solving spanning networks across clouds (public+private) ?17:06
gsagie_or is that not an "official" mission17:06
Sukhdevgsagie_: thanks and welcome to our meeting17:07
Sukhdevgsagie_: I am sure armax will chime in - but, the charter of L2 GW is to provide inter-connect between two L2 broadcast domains17:08
Sukhdevto create a one larger L2 broadcast domain17:08
armaxgsagie_: are you thinking of spanning an l2 broadcast domain over WAN?17:08
Sukhdevgsagie_: so, based upon that definition, yes - it covers your use case17:08
gsagie_armax: yes17:08
Sukhdevgsagie_: so couple of things17:09
armaxgsagie_: I am sure there are use cases17:09
armaxgsagie_: I would never use it if it was available though17:09
armaxperformance would suck17:09
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Sukhdevgsagie_: the two things that I was going to mention is - 1)17:10
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Sukhdev1) present implementation is based upon OVSDB -17:11
armaxcan’t say that latency would be enough to dismiss it entirely17:11
Sukhdev2) the orchestration -17:11
gsagie_armax: there are some use cases for that in the telco world, but it really depends how you use it and how you implement it, i am not sure actually sending ARP's across WAN make sense but was asking from an API level17:12
Sukhdevarmax: you mean performance because of encap/decap on both ends?17:12
Sukhdevgsagie_: my point 2) was going to cover the API level orchestration17:13
armaxSukhdev: not just that alone17:13
armaxgsagie_: I think that there’s more to understand before we can model it through the api17:14
armaxwe are really crossing the vpn site-to-site use case too17:15
armaxto some extent17:15
gsagie_armax: i agree, i was looking at the current API and think it needs more work for that use case, but didn't want to jump in with it and spend all your time without understanding if thats a project goal17:16
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armaxwe’d have to understand more about your use case17:18
armaxwithout further details it’s diffucult to assess that it can be a project goal17:18
armaxin lack of further input I’d say, no17:18
Sukhdevgsagie_: even though we have specifically have not said that we will use L2GW for that purpose, but, your use case definitely falls into the broader category17:18
armaxfor instance, are you thinking of bridging another l2 neutron doamin with another neutron one?17:18
armaxare you thinking of VM to VM traffic?17:19
armaxwe can surely discuss, but it seems premature to expand the project further when the basics are still missing17:21
gsagie_One of the use cases is to have a neutron network span across 2 clouds, so you could have VM's deployed in both clouds and all in the same L2 network,17:21
gsagie_armax: ok, maybe i will consult with some people and propose a document that describe the use cases17:21
armaxgsagie_: two separate neutron deployments?17:22
gsagie_armax: yes17:22
armaxgsagie_: have you thought on how you’re gonna handle ipam?17:22
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Sukhdevthinking in a very simplistic way, one could create an L2 GW on one l2 neutron domain to map VxLAN to a VLAN and create another one in the other neutron domain and use the same VLAN17:22
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Sukhdevto create connectivity - hence, understanding the orchestration is important17:22
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Sukhdevgsagie_: I think documenting the use case will really help -17:23
gsagie_armax: yes, in our case we have a centralised control plan that does the allocating17:24
armaxgsagie_: so it’s not two separate neutron deployments then?17:24
armaxif they share ipam17:25
armaxI mean17:25
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gsagie_armax : its two deployment that are controlled from a centralised location, i guess they are not "separate"17:26
armaxgsagie_: I am sorry, I am not sure what this means17:27
gsagie_armax: We have a project (Tricircle) in stack forge, it takes a centralised OpenStack layer and it controls other OpenStack clouds, it has its own implementation (for nova for neutron and so on) that what it does in a nutshell is split the OpenStack API calls and sync the resources between the different clouds17:29
Sukhdevgsagie_: I think this complicates - if you keep two separate deployments and use L2 GW on both sides to bridge on the same VLANs, then I could see it working - otherwise, I am at loss as well :-):-)17:29
gsagie_and we use availability zone to mark the specific cloud, so the user can using OpenStack API (or UI) to deploy VM's in different clouds by picking different availability zone17:30
gsagie_and the project layer, knows to sync all the dependent resources17:30
gsagie_armax: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tricircle17:31
gsagie_more information17:31
armaxgsagie_: sounds like a lot of complication17:31
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Sukhdevgsagie_: Interesting - this gives me something to read about -17:32
armaxyou could bridge the clouds completely transparently without ever letting the admin know about it17:32
Sukhdevgsagie_: coming back to L2GW, I think, if you can document as to how do you envision using it, then we can discuss further and provide guidance17:32
gsagie_Sukhdev: ok thanks, i will do that, we have some ideas API/implementation wise17:33
Sukhdevarmax: that is what I was thinking in my earlier statement - but, it will be good to understand the deployment model better17:34
armaxSukhdev: yes17:34
Sukhdev#action: gsagie_ to document inter-cloud connectivity use case17:35
SukhdevFolks, I want to return back to the agenda - as we have couple of critical items to discuss17:35
gsagie_armax: the tenant has the option to deploy the VM's in which ever cloud he/she wants (or allowed), and of course i guess the pricing/performance model changes accordingly so i am not sure what do you mean "bridge the clouds completely transparently" ?17:35
gsagie_ok, sorry for taking too much time17:36
gsagie_will document it and post the link, thanks for the time17:36
Sukhdevgsagie_: when you write it up, I can help you clarify as to how this will all play out17:36
Sukhdevgsagie_: lets discuss the details after you have your thoughts on the document17:37
* Sukhdev returning back to the agenda now17:37
gsagie_Sukhdev: ok, thanks17:37
Sukhdev#topic: L2GW release planning for Liberty17:37
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Sukhdevarmax: we are close in terms of our work for L2 GW - barring some pending patches (next agenda item)17:38
Sukhdevarmax vikas: Can you think of things that we need to do before the release?17:39
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armaxSukhdev: what things?17:40
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Sukhdevany logistical issues - other than merging pending patches17:41
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armaxk17:41
Sukhdevarmax: by logistics - I mean any release announcement - adding this to neutron Liberty release notes, documentation for neutron etc....17:41
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Sukhdevarmax: any thoughts?17:43
armaxnone17:43
Sukhdevarmax: if you think of any, which we need to prepare, please let me know (ping me)17:44
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armaxwill do17:44
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Sukhdevarmax: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202495/17:45
Sukhdevarmax: you have -2 on this - have you had a chance to look into the issue?17:46
SukhdevWe have tested this and it looks ready to go -17:46
armaxSukhdev: ok let me double check with henry17:46
armaxand I’ll get it sorted17:47
Sukhdevarmax: OK - thanks - and, if all checks out OK, please approve it for merge17:47
armaxwill do17:47
Sukhdevarmax: we have couple of back port patches for killo that require core approval -17:48
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Sukhdevarmax: I am assuming this is from the infra core people, right?17:48
Sukhdevarmax: shall I go bug them on infra channel - or my understanding is wrong?17:48
armaxSukhdev: no the stable team17:48
armaxso kyle, et al17:49
Sukhdevarmax: who is that?17:49
Sukhdevkyle already approved it?17:49
armaxihar or gary would be the others17:49
Sukhdevso, it is you and doug then17:49
Sukhdevarmax: OK - I will make noise on neutron channel then -17:49
Sukhdevarmax: next one this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221932/17:50
Sukhdevdo we want to approve it? I think this has to do with python 3, right?17:50
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SukhdevI am not too sure about it17:51
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Sukhdevvikas: BTW, I have asked ash win to test this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222841/17:52
Sukhdevvikas: will let you know as soon we are done with the testing - or will approve it17:52
vikasok fine17:52
Sukhdevarmax: any thoughts on that patch? python 3 scares me - :-)17:53
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Sukhdevarmax: or I am reading too much into this?17:53
armaxnot sure I have teh full context17:53
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Sukhdevarmax: this patch came from some infra - even I do not have context -17:55
Sukhdevarmax: since you are more plugged in, I thought you would know :-)17:55
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armaxwhich one?17:56
armaxthe bot patch?17:56
armaxthat’s fine17:56
Sukhdevyes17:56
Sukhdevwhat is that for?17:56
armaxthat’s a version bump that kyle posted a few days ago17:56
armaxhe released a new version of the client17:57
Sukhdevarmax: Oh - I thought this has to do with python 3.0 support -17:57
armaxnop17:57
Sukhdevarmax: oh no worries then17:57
Sukhdevarmax: shall we approve it for merge then?17:58
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armaxgo ahead17:58
Sukhdevarmax: cool -17:58
Sukhdev#topic: Mitaka discussion17:58
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Sukhdevarmax: we do not have full quorum here - but, any thoughts about Mitaka for L2 GW?17:59
armaxnot sure what’s the point of talking about mitaka17:59
armaxwhen nothing got done in Liberty18:00
Sukhdevarmax: I mean the charter for L2GW for mitaka18:00
Sukhdevarmax: i.e. do we want to plan any new features, use cases for L2GW for mitaka?18:01
gsagie_:)18:01
armaxI think we lack the basics18:01
armaxand we didn’t tackle those in liberty18:01
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armaxso really Mitaka should be a Liberty redux18:02
Sukhdevarmax: we got couple of critical enhancements done in Liberty18:02
armaxmeh, that shouldn’t have taken the entire cycle, come on!18:02
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Sukhdevarmax: understood - but, that also depends upon the resource availablity18:03
armaxwe’re over time18:03
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armaxagreed18:03
Sukhdevarmax: thanks for pointing it out -18:03
armaxso no resource availability no point on discussing mitaka thoughts18:04
Sukhdevwe are done - need to free up the channel18:04
Sukhdevthanks folks for attending18:04
Sukhdevbye18:04
Sukhdev#endmeeting18:04
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