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| nikhil_k | #startmeeting glance drivers | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 29 14:01:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_drivers' | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | Courtesy Glance Drivers' meeting reminder: nikhil_k, flaper87, sigmavirus24, rosmaita, mclaren | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:02 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-drivers-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | dhellmann: if you wish to add your nick there for reminders | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | fyi :) | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | nikhil_k: cool, thanks | 14:02 |
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| nikhil_k | just one pre-added topic there | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | that was by me | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | #topic inheritable admin prop | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "inheritable admin prop (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:03 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206431/ | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | I haven't read that one yet but I will | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | is there a tl;dr ? | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | yes | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | I will try to give a quick one | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | This is somewhat broken experience afaict | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | The way to inherit certain prop (via nova) in today's deployments is if you have separate glance-api running and they have their own individual prot files | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | so, in devstack inheritance won't work | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | gotcha | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | the proposal is in nova, and I think the TODOs from our side are to ensure if the CRUD granularity supports this purpose | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | i guess it hasn't come up before because property protections are "off" by default | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | and yes, we would want to have appropriate defaults | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | possibly certain published org.openstack.my_prop_list to avoid collisions | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | That sounds fair enough. I'll give it a detailed read this week | 14:06 |
| * nikhil_k done for now | 14:07 | |
| flaper87 | by quickly glancing at the spec, it seems they want to add a new config option w/ a list of properties | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | in nova | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | That way of aligning services hasn't work well in the past. Or better, it's proven to be painful | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: yes | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: in nova | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | but you know, it would be really cool if we could figure out a way for nova to do this while using user credentials | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | please see line 118 | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | that's an important note to have | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | the proposal is to have nova use admin creds | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: exactly | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | we should ensure that the images proxy behaves consistently | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | I think there are some other use cases for adding support for service tokens | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | that way we are less exposing admin creds over the wire, minimize the risk | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | if it's a configuration option, it will be deployment-specific. will that matter? | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | it's a long shot but if efforts are in momentum we should attempt for that | 14:09 |
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| flaper87 | dhellmann: that's the other concern I have | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | I mean, some properties are already deployment specific | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: shouldn't matter, it's already a deployment-specific option what properties to protect and wehther to protect any at all | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | does the user need to know which of these options are inherited and/or locked? (I'm not clear on all the use cases for these properties) | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | rosmaita: interesting, ok | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: up to now it's been communicated via documentation | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | dhellmann: deployment specific sounds like a sane requirement as the licensing stuff would be quite contextual to those clouds. I think api wise, this should not matter but we can expose discoverability of those prop | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: could use metadefs, though | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | nikhil_k: I like adding a discoverability api | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | does extending schemas sounds sane? | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | (for discoverability) | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | mmh, probably | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: our advice has been to do it by convention, e.g., don't use com.rackspace as a prefix for your personal properties | 14:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | dhellmann: e.g. JSON Home? | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | rosmaita: makes sense | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | but if you use metadefs to describe the properties, i think that would work | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | I like that idea | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | sigmavirus24: is that already being used in glance? | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | oh for properties in general | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | dhellmann: not quite, no | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | but I guess that adds a precedence for mandatory deployment and exposure of metadefs | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | there's only one or two projects that use it and that's controversial for other reasons | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: I'm curious to know how it'd work but we can take it offline | 14:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | dhellmann: feel free to hop into #openstack-api to talk about that more =P | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: sure | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | but they will need to be able to determine that inheritance in Nova no matter how it's done | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | Glance doesn't use json-home | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: it would be via configuration option | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: what I mean is Nova needs to do the setting of those properties | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: my question is, is json home recommended for such purposes by API_WG? | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | One more thing that worries me is that this work may have some conflicts with the v1 -> v2 work. We'll have to make sure we help these 2 specs moving forward | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: yes, the proposal is that there would be a list, like the current non-inheritable properties list, to tell nova what to do | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: we haven't reached agreement on that last I checked | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | gotcha, thanks | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | The RFC for JSON Home was half-abandoned and never revised so there's disagreement as to whether it is useful since none of those projects' clients use it | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | It's an involved topic :P | 14:15 |
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| nikhil_k | #chair flaper87 | 14:15 |
| openstack | Current chairs: flaper87 nikhil_k | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: FWIW, I personally emailed the author like a year ago and yeah, it's quite abandoned | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: plus, the RFC is headache-inducing | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah, mnot was definitely focused on HTTPBis at that point | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: thanks :D you can keep leading it, fwiw! | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | haha, sure | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: I read RFCs the way some people eat bread, so they rarely induce headaches for me (unless it's crypto related) | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: remind me not to take you to lunch | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: ++ | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | LOL | 14:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | lol | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | alternate topping :) | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | i just added an agenda item | 14:17 |
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| nikhil_k | cool | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | it's lakshmi's patch/bugfix/spec-lite change | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | #topic image member notifications | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "image member notifications (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:18 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221307/ | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | There are good compelling arguments both ways. I perceived it as a bug as I am aware about notifications being exposed in certain clouds. | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | I mentioned to lakshmi that we'd provide feedback on our meeting on thursday but it's good to have a short discussion now to collect thoughts | 14:19 |
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| rosmaita | so in one way, i can see this as a bug, in that notifications were forgotten when the image-memmber v2 code was done | 14:19 |
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| rosmaita | but, as flaper87 points out, it's a fairly significant change | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | It's a bug from SearchLight/Horizon POv but for Glance it really isn't. | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | I think this converges into a discussion around lite-specs | 14:19 |
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| rosmaita | though, as nikhil_k points out, it does seem kind of innocuous | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: ++ | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | but I don't want to get stuck on that specific point rather than the size of the change | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | but yes, let's discuss lite-specs so this doesn't happen again | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | or happens a different way, i mean | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | this does look like a surprising amount of code just to add notifications on edits | 14:20 |
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| rosmaita | dhellmann: well, glance has this domain model ... | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | I honestly don't feel comfortable backporting this change for RC2 | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | dhellmann: the reason is that bad coupling that exists (Existed) between images and image member entities | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | but I'd like to hear others opinions | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | s/backporting/proposing/ | 14:21 |
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| flaper87 | you get my point | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | so, the onion layer is sorta tangled with images and image members at this point | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | and anything we try to do ;) | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | I found it surprising when I saw the image member get method being statified at the API level | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | Also, the change was proposed on Sept 8 and the bug has been opened since Kilo | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | we would need a year of waterfall approach and rewrite that :P | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | which kinda makes me think, on good faith (obviously), that this could have been taken care of a bit earlier in the cycle and not for RC2 | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | Again, saying that on good faith and I'm not trying to point fingers to anyone | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | but probably, it wasn't a high prio until now | 14:23 |
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| nikhil_k | the feedback I had was that it was hard change | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: searchlight is also operating with fewer developers/reviewers than we are | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | I too find it inconvenient that a lot of the non-related code has to be changed to fix this | 14:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | And so I'm certain this isn't in bad faith and was merely a matter of finding time to address it appropriately | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: yup, I keep that in mind,really. | 14:24 |
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| sigmavirus24 | That said, I too am against backporting such a large change to RC2 | 14:24 |
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| flaper87 | it seems that they have a fallback plan in case this isn't backported | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | rosmaita, nikhil_k : is "domain model" related to "onion layer" in some way here? | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | ok, can we please have -1, +1, +2, -2s on the patch to better understand the RC2 waitlist | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | ? | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | so, I'd probably go with that | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: ++ | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: tbh I don't care why it came this late but I had my concerns to the intrusiveness that change has at the last moment before release :( | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | dhellmann: might be easier to explain in -glance | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | dhellmann: it's the onion architecture, with all the business buses | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | sigmavirus24: ack | 14:25 |
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| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: agreed | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/domain_model.html | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | rosmaita: awesome, thanks | 14:26 |
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| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: the other thing to consider is that for at least two cycles now, this is the way Glance tends to work. Letting large changes in at the last minute because of pressure by a group of developers | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: the onion is the way the domain layer gets explained | 14:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: I know we call it the onion model, but it really is turtles all the way down ;) | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: ain't gonna happen anymore. | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: onion-eating turtles | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | right from this blog post (a general PSA) | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | #link http://jeffreypalermo.com/blog/the-onion-architecture-part-1/ | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: ++ I had never seen that before | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/domain_model.html | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/domain_model.html | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | It's called onion model because every time you try to cut through it, you just burst into tears ;) | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: ++ | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: :P | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: ++ | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | lol | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | hilarious | 14:28 |
| * flaper87 claps | 14:28 | |
| flaper87 | anyway, that's discussion probably for N or even O | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | No wonder my office always smells bad =P | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | I read that as 0 :P | 14:28 |
| * rosmaita notes another reason not to lunch with sigmavirus24 | 14:28 | |
| nikhil_k | limit n->inf (1/n) :P | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | I'll vote on the review and provide feedback | 14:28 |
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| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: A+ maths | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | :P | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | (spoken as a person with a BS and MS in Pure Maths) | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | also as it fits N and O :P | 14:29 |
| * flaper87 has nothing else | 14:30 | |
| * sigmavirus24 either | 14:30 | |
| flaper87 | btw! | 14:30 |
| * sigmavirus24 needs to find more coffee so he can be less silly | 14:30 | |
| flaper87 | This patch here can land as long as it's not proposed for RC | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | we are out of time | 14:30 |
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| flaper87 | my comments are not about this patch but the backport | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: yep | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | If this patch lands in master, that'll be part of mitaka | 14:30 |
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| flaper87 | just want to make sure eeryone knows that | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | true, we need comments on the bug then! | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | so please, comment on the bug and lets remove the tag | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | (the rc-potential tag) | 14:31 |
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| nikhil_k | thanks all for joining! | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | woohoo | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 14:31:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-09-29-14.01.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-09-29-14.01.txt | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | \o | 14:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-09-29-14.01.log.html | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: do you have a few minutes to talk in #openstack-glance ? | 14:32 |
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| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 29 15:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | #link meeting agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20150929 | 15:00 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 15:00 |
| xarses | o/ | 15:00 |
| degorenko | hi o/ | 15:00 |
| aderyugin | o/ | 15:00 |
| IBerezovskiy | o/ | 15:00 |
| crinkle | o/ | 15:00 |
| iurygregory | hi o/ | 15:00 |
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| mfisch | yo | 15:00 |
| sbadia | hello | 15:00 |
| sbog | hi | 15:01 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 15:01 |
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| skolekonov | hi | 15:01 |
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| EmilienM | #topic review past actions items | 15:01 |
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| EmilienM | "EmilienM send proposal to ML about neutron plugin mngt" > done - we have a topic later for that | 15:01 |
| richm | hello | 15:01 |
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| EmilienM | "chem to propose PoC on top of gilles's patch" > ? | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | _ody to propose another default pattern solution > done - we have a topic later for that too | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | chem: ? | 15:03 |
| chem | EmilienM: 2s I find the link | 15:03 |
| chem | EmilienM: this is this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226919/ | 15:03 |
| mattymo_ | hi all | 15:03 |
| _ody | o/ | 15:03 |
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| EmilienM | chem: the patch isn't on top of any other patch, isn't? | 15:04 |
| chem | EmilienM: no, it has been found with gilles that no other patch was required | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | chem: do you still have any blocker? | 15:04 |
| chem | EmilienM: yep, I still have to find why my beaker test are not run ... it's like insane ... | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | we can talk about it in open discussion if timing allows it. | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | let's move on to the agenda | 15:05 |
| chem | EmilienM: I commenting the file by half each time to find the culprint and run beaker | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | #topic review use zuul-cloner to prepare fixtures | 15:06 |
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| angdraug | EmilienM: default pattern? | 15:06 |
| chem | EmilienM: really no need, the blocker is an obvious thing that I cannot point my finger on | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226830/ | 15:06 |
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| EmilienM | except a few, we haven't got much feedback on this patch | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | I would like feedback from nibalize (not here atm), Hunner, _ody, crinkle | 15:07 |
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| EmilienM | the code is ready for review. Is anyone against this proposal? | 15:07 |
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| EmilienM | well, if not, I guess we can co ahead with the patch. | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | #action core team to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226830/ | 15:09 |
| crinkle | I'm looking at the thread about this, I'm not convinced by the proposed solution to alex's issue | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | ah | 15:09 |
| crinkle | editing the puppetfile isn't the same as editing fixtures.yml | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | #undo | 15:09 |
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| crinkle | in fixtures.yml you can add a symlink to a local copy, that's not something the puppetfile can support | 15:10 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: I haven't read you on Gerrit before :( | 15:10 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: sorry, just catching up | 15:10 |
| mwhahaha | does r10k not support a local file git ref? | 15:10 |
| EmilienM | nibalizer: we're talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226830/ | 15:11 |
| crinkle | mwhahaha: i suppose it might | 15:11 |
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| mwhahaha | i like using symlinks w/ .fixtures.yml but that's usually a local dev thing | 15:11 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: what do you suggest? | 15:12 |
| nibalizer | the goal here is to get depends-on working or something else? | 15:12 |
| crinkle | using a local file git ref is probably sufficient, i withdraw my concern | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | nibalizer: I sent a thread. | 15:12 |
| crinkle | nibalizer: yes but for unit tests this time | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | let me find it | 15:13 |
| EmilienM | nibalizer: https://openstack.nimeyo.com/59931/openstack-dev-puppet-use-zuul-cloner-when-running-rspec | 15:13 |
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| EmilienM | nibalizer: not only depends-on | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | but also consistent in what we test | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | I found out some modules were testing a different version of a dependency | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | which is not really what we want | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | using the same Puppetfile for unit testing, beaker & integration CI would be good imho | 15:15 |
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| EmilienM | nibalizer: thoughts? | 15:16 |
| nibalizer | i dont really have time at the moment to gice an opinion | 15:17 |
| nibalizer | sorry | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | :( | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: any proposal? suggestion? | 15:17 |
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| crinkle | EmilienM: let's move forward with it and review the patch | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | mhh ok | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | #action puppet team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226830/ | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | I hope we can make progress on it | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | #topic re- default value parameter | 15:18 |
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| EmilienM | _ody, spredzy: o/ | 15:19 |
| _ody | o.O | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | _ody: can you post your patches? | 15:19 |
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| _ody | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228670/ | 15:19 |
| _ody | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228662/ | 15:19 |
| EmilienM | ok, unit tests are failing because previous topic | 15:20 |
| _ody | Correct, plus one other thing. | 15:20 |
| _ody | But i know what it is, I put a fail in a could defined on purpose. | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | I would like to run a vote for the default pattern proposals | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | if we summarize them we have: | 15:20 |
| _ody | That is what i think people should go evaluate. Go look at the defines. | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: proposal #1 - use a Puppet function | 15:21 |
| * EmilienM looks for links... | 15:21 | |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224277/ | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | proposal #1 would set default params to service_default() function | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | the function is in openstacklib | 15:22 |
| mwhahaha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224187/ | 15:22 |
| mwhahaha | ^- functionm | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | proposal #2 is _ody's one, with ::openstacklib::params https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228662/ | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | in proposal #2, all <module>::params would inherits from openstacklib::params | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | benefit of proposal #2 is using $servicedefault instead of hardcoding <SERVICE DEFAULT> | 15:24 |
| mwhahaha | and it's overridable per module right? | 15:25 |
| _ody | correct | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | both proposals address what we need | 15:25 |
| iurygregory | we will vote? | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | but #1 is something kind of new in a Puppet module, so we don't really know the downsides | 15:25 |
| mwhahaha | I also threw out using a fact (not a static fact from facts.d, just a regular one) in openstacklib | 15:25 |
| mwhahaha | not sure if you wanted to include that | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory: we're discussing now | 15:25 |
| iurygregory | i like both the ideas =) | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | it's sounds overkill to add a fact for this, isn't? | 15:26 |
| mwhahaha | it reduces the overhead of the inheritance stuff | 15:26 |
| mwhahaha | it's a mix of both | 15:26 |
| _ody | mwhahaha's idea makes the defined type issue easier. | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | _ody: can you explain? | 15:27 |
| _ody | EmilienM: You can not inherit a params class in a define so if you want the servicedefault params pattern...base classes MUST be delcared before using defines. | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | good point | 15:28 |
| _ody | So, in the example, cinder MUST be defined before using the backend defines. | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | ::cinder ? | 15:29 |
| _ody | I am good with a fact if it is facts.d and static. | 15:29 |
| _ody | EmilienM: Correct. | 15:29 |
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| EmilienM | I think everyone using providers deploy ::<module> class in their manifest, but I might be wrong. | 15:29 |
| _ody | shipping a whole ruby fact I agree would be overkill. | 15:29 |
| mwhahaha | I think it would be a problem for fuel | 15:29 |
| mwhahaha | we may not always include the base class | 15:30 |
| mwhahaha | i'd have to double check everywhere | 15:30 |
| angdraug | mwhahaha: you're right we don't | 15:30 |
| _ody | mwhahaha: I doesn't HAVE to be the base class...really. | 15:30 |
| mwhahaha | yea just the params class right? | 15:30 |
| _ody | It just needs to be one that include ::cinder::params. | 15:30 |
| angdraug | but we probably include params everywhere | 15:30 |
| _ody | That is actually the important part. | 15:30 |
| _ody | I just chose cinder because it seem the most likely to be included. | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | I think we can include params in defines | 15:31 |
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| mwhahaha | you have to include it before | 15:31 |
| mwhahaha | i think | 15:31 |
| mwhahaha | not sure processing order of params before the includes within a define? | 15:31 |
| _ody | EmilienM: We can but it must be before so the variable exists before define parameters are parsed. | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | if it's up to the composition layer, then we have a problem | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | ie: if fuel has to change their manifests - we probably have other people who would have to do the same | 15:32 |
| _ody | EmilienM: For defines, likely yes. | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | mhh, it's not the best solution then. | 15:32 |
| _ody | Can't get around it with a define. | 15:32 |
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| mwhahaha | i think a fact might be the best middle ground, we lose per-module overrides though | 15:33 |
| _ody | mwhahaha: We shouldn't | 15:33 |
| EmilienM | do we have a PoC of the fact solution? | 15:33 |
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| _ody | Oh no, you're right we do | 15:33 |
| mwhahaha | no, but i could put one together for the next meeting | 15:33 |
| mwhahaha | if we want to move on and come back to this next week | 15:34 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: that would be great. | 15:34 |
| EmilienM | I would like to move out _ody's proposal for now, because it's not backward compatible - and require some actions from people using our Defines. | 15:34 |
| EmilienM | do we agree on that ? ^^^^^ | 15:34 |
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| EmilienM | our solution would be between service_default() function or a fact | 15:35 |
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| _ody | Yeah. I'll look to see if there is another way and wait on mwhahaha's fact. | 15:35 |
| EmilienM | cool | 15:35 |
| EmilienM | #action mwhahaha provides (another) POC for service default parameter (using a fact) | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: thank you | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | let's move on | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | any thoughts are welcome to the ML thread by the way ^ | 15:36 |
| EmilienM | #topic puppet-openstack retirement | 15:36 |
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| EmilienM | so we have two options iiuc | 15:36 |
| richm | a gold watch or an amazon gift cert? | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | 1/ retire the repo (read only and committing a change to replace all the files with a README) | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | 2/ move it to openstack and continue the developpement | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | the module is deprecated since Juno | 15:38 |
| EmilienM | #startvote Should we retire puppet-openstack module? yes, no, maybe | 15:39 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we retire puppet-openstack module? Valid vote options are yes, no, maybe. | 15:39 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:39 |
| EmilienM | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| _ody | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| chem | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| degorenko | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| iurygregory | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| aderyugin | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| dmsimard | #yes | 15:40 |
| sbadia | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| dmsimard | #fail | 15:40 |
| dmsimard | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| crinkle | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| mwhahaha | #vote yes | 15:40 |
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| EmilienM | 10 seconds more | 15:41 |
| skolekonov | #vote yes | 15:41 |
| EmilienM | #endvote | 15:41 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we retire puppet-openstack module?" Results are | 15:41 |
| openstack | yes (11): aderyugin, skolekonov, mwhahaha, _ody, dmsimard, sbadia, iurygregory, crinkle, EmilienM, degorenko, chem | 15:41 |
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| EmilienM | #action emilien to update Wiki page to retire puppet-openstack | 15:41 |
| EmilienM | thanks for voting, it's important to make sure we agree on that. | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | I'll also make sure to communicate over the ML about it | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | #topic puppet-ceph future | 15:42 |
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| EmilienM | dmsimard: o/ | 15:42 |
| dmsimard | oi | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075631.html | 15:42 |
| iurygregory | oi? O.o | 15:42 |
| dmsimard | It's like a "hi" but with an accent | 15:42 |
| dmsimard | :) | 15:42 |
| iurygregory | br =D | 15:42 |
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| EmilienM | we're running out of time | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | let's move on please ;) | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | we need to agree if we move stackforge/puppet-ceph to openstack or not. | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | Bonus question: should it also move under Puppet OpenStack project (big tent) | 15:43 |
| dmsimard | There hasn't been a lot of feedback from the community on that topic, would love if you can share your thoughts on the mailing list so it doesn't look like we've made a decision without asking anyone about it | 15:43 |
| dmsimard | The puppet-ceph cores have all voted in favor of moving to /openstack, it isn't clear yet if we'll stay standalone or join the puppet openstack project | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | AFIK, stackforge/puppet-ceph is 1/ the only one community module to deploy Ceph with Puppet - 2/ is considered official by Ceph project (see mirror on ceph namespace) | 15:44 |
| EmilienM | dmsimard: right ? ^ | 15:44 |
| dmsimard | From what hogepodge told me, puppet-ceph could potentially move to /openstack without being part of puppet-openstack and thus not requiring the CLA to contribute to which is an asset for this particular module | 15:45 |
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| EmilienM | dmsimard: right. | 15:45 |
| dmsimard | EmilienM: Yes | 15:45 |
| EmilienM | moving to openstack/ namespace does not mean "you are in OpenStack big tent" anymore. | 15:45 |
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| EmilienM | dmsimard: in short term, I suggest you take care of the move from stackforge to openstack | 15:46 |
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| dmsimard | Speaking from a community perspective, I'm convinced it's important for puppet-ceph to stay as opened as possible to contributors (see: without CLA, owned by the community) | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | in long term, I would like to see a concensus between stackforge/puppet-ceph & OpenStack community to see if we move it or not under the big tent. If yes, moving under Puppet OpenStack project or not. | 15:46 |
| dmsimard | I'm obviously biased towards making it a part of puppet-openstack but I don't think that's the right thing to do, at least in the short term | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | good | 15:47 |
| dmsimard | EmilienM: I think that's a good option. Moving it to /openstack first and see what happens later. | 15:47 |
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| EmilienM | #action dmsimard move stackforge/puppet-ceph to openstack/ | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | dmsimard: thx | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | next | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | #topic should puppet-neutron manage third party software | 15:47 |
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| EmilienM | I ran a thread about it | 15:48 |
| EmilienM | not sure we need to discuss it over here, except if there is concerns | 15:48 |
| EmilienM | if you have concerns go ahead now, otherwise we follow-up on ML | 15:48 |
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| EmilienM | #action emilien to follow-up neutron plugins third party software management thread on ML | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | #topic use openstackclient for nova auth | 15:49 |
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| EmilienM | degorenko: hey | 15:49 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, hey o/ | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226862/ | 15:49 |
| degorenko | so, i'm working on a new auth for nova providers, based on openstacklib and openstack client | 15:50 |
| degorenko | now it uses auth_nova based on nova client and also nova-manage without auth | 15:50 |
| degorenko | and problem that is openstack client doesnt support managing networks for nova-network | 15:50 |
| degorenko | only for neutron | 15:50 |
| EmilienM | hum. | 15:50 |
| degorenko | so, i want to know how we can have deal with this problem | 15:50 |
| degorenko | i have a couple of solutions | 15:50 |
| degorenko | first, we can use old way with using nova-manage cli command | 15:50 |
| EmilienM | I'm aware nova network is still in use | 15:50 |
| degorenko | second, we can drop posibility to manage networks by nova provider | 15:50 |
| EmilienM | the question is: when is it deprecated? | 15:50 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, yes, as i know since kilo? | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | can you deploy OpenStack without Neutron in Liberty? | 15:51 |
| EmilienM | I think proposal #1 is enough for the few people using our modules to deploy nova-network | 15:51 |
| degorenko | hmm, never didn't tried | 15:51 |
| degorenko | yes, i vote for #1 too | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | so much efforts for that... I'm not sure it's worth it | 15:52 |
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| degorenko | actually, it's also old way :) | 15:52 |
| degorenko | it was changed to nova sometime ago | 15:52 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: so your patch is doing #1 ? | 15:53 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, right now - patch with nova_networks with openstack client - and it doesn't work | 15:53 |
| degorenko | but it works with nova-manage | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | looking at http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-users-share-how-their-deployments-stack-up | 15:53 |
| EmilienM | nova-network is still here. | 15:54 |
| degorenko | yes, we can use nova-manage for creating nova-networks | 15:54 |
| degorenko | only one problem - no any auth | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: yeah, using DB, right? | 15:54 |
| degorenko | exactly | 15:54 |
| EmilienM | old way :) | 15:54 |
| angdraug | EmilienM: this reminds me of an old thread where xarses asked about supporting previous openstack releases | 15:54 |
| degorenko | like it done right now for aggregates and cells | 15:54 |
| degorenko | and others :) | 15:55 |
| EmilienM | angdraug: it was not exactly about it | 15:55 |
| angdraug | are you suggesting we support pre-liberty releases? | 15:55 |
| EmilienM | angdraug: it was "supporting multiple releases in one puppet module release" | 15:55 |
| crinkle | does the current nova_network provider work? | 15:55 |
| degorenko | crinkle, yep | 15:55 |
| degorenko | crinkle, now it uses nova auth | 15:55 |
| angdraug | well next release of puppet-openstack will support liberty | 15:55 |
| angdraug | if liberty doesn't support nova-networks, the only relevant use case is kilo and earlier | 15:55 |
| EmilienM | angdraug: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069147.html | 15:56 |
| degorenko | and i'm not sure, that openstack client will be have possibility to manage nova networks :( | 15:56 |
| richm | it doesn't | 15:56 |
| crinkle | why not just leave it alone? it might be going away soon and openstackclient is probably not going to add support for it | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | so why do you need to patch it if it works? | 15:56 |
| richm | openstack network list et. al. use neutron | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | crinkle++ | 15:56 |
| degorenko | crinkle, because it uses now old way with nova client auth | 15:56 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: do anyone needs this feature? | 15:57 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, openstack client auth for nova? | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | for networks* | 15:57 |
| EmilienM | we have 2 min left | 15:58 |
| degorenko | i'm not sure :) just security question may be :) | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: let's followup after the meeting on the channel | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | ok? | 15:58 |
| crinkle | i don't see a reason to put a lot of effort into moving it away from nova client | 15:58 |
| degorenko | EmilienM, yeah, ok :) | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | +1 | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | crinkle is right, I'm not sure neither | 15:58 |
| EmilienM | #topic debian package support | 15:58 |
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| EmilienM | mwhahaha: what's up? | 15:58 |
| mwhahaha | we're looking to leverage the debian packages and they have different names/script locations | 15:58 |
| mwhahaha | so rather than fork and change the ubuntu stuff, would it be beneficial to propose debian support? | 15:59 |
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| EmilienM | afik, there are already community efforts for packaging | 15:59 |
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| EmilienM | zigo & number 80 are (DEB & RPM) PTLs afik | 15:59 |
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| mwhahaha | yea we're just running into package names | 16:00 |
| EmilienM | we should coordinate together maybe | 16:00 |
| crinkle | yes please fix the debian support | 16:00 |
| mwhahaha | k | 16:00 |
| crinkle | should just be enough to fix params.pp | 16:00 |
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| mwhahaha | it shouldn't be too bad, but just want to make people aware | 16:00 |
| EmilienM | let's close the meeting and follow up on our channel | 16:00 |
| EmilienM | sorry guys | 16:00 |
| EmilienM | end of time | 16:00 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 16:00:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-09-29-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-09-29-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-09-29-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| crinkle | o/ | 16:00 |
| EmilienM | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| mugsie | thanks EmilienM | 16:00 |
| mugsie | #startmeeting Kosmos | 16:00 |
| degorenko | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 29 16:00:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Kosmos)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kosmos' | 16:01 |
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| mugsie | #topic rollcall | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: Kosmos)" | 16:01 | |
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| mugsie | so, whos around? | 16:01 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
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| elarson | o/ | 16:01 |
| mugsie | give people a few mins | 16:01 |
| mugsie | this is now offically our time now btw, http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Kosmos_(Global_LBaaS)_Meeting | 16:02 |
| mugsie | i submitted a patch to swap ownership | 16:02 |
| xgerman | o/ | 16:03 |
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| mugsie | OK - I think thats enough time for everyone to join | 16:03 |
| timsim | o/ | 16:03 |
| mugsie | #topic Action Items from Last week | 16:03 |
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| mugsie | there is .... | 16:03 |
| mugsie | eh, none as it turns out | 16:04 |
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| mugsie | #topic Architecture - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223663/ | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Architecture - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223663/ (Meeting topic: Kosmos)" | 16:04 | |
| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223663/ | 16:04 |
| johnsom | I see you have put up an update | 16:04 |
| mugsie | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/63/223663/2/check/gate-kosmos-specs-docs/8f73cfa/doc/build/html/specs/liberty/sysarch.html | 16:04 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 16:04 |
| mugsie | yeah, I think I got all the questions answered - I moved a lot of it around | 16:05 |
| mugsie | (it got quite confusing wiht the single diagram) | 16:05 |
| mugsie | I would like to get this merged soon, so we can start finding thre holes | 16:05 |
| johnsom | I will give it another pass today/tomorrow | 16:06 |
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| mugsie | is there any questions so far? | 16:06 |
| mugsie | am I crazy? | 16:07 |
| mugsie | :P | 16:07 |
| johnsom | Probably | 16:07 |
| mugsie | :) | 16:07 |
| johnsom | You signed up for two PTL positions | 16:07 |
| mugsie | yeah | 16:08 |
| mugsie | OK, so the action is all interested parties look at the reivew | 16:08 |
| mugsie | #action ALL Review arch spec | 16:08 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 16:09 |
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| mugsie | any off agenda items? | 16:09 |
| johnsom | Is the status tree API complete enough for your needs? | 16:10 |
| mugsie | I think so. | 16:10 |
| johnsom | Great | 16:10 |
| mugsie | but any holes will show during the implementation phase I think | 16:10 |
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| mugsie | is there a library for the v2 API | 16:10 |
| xgerman | neutron-client | 16:11 |
| johnsom | Yep, but status tree isn't implemented there yet | 16:11 |
| mugsie | OK, that will be a hole | 16:11 |
| xgerman | well, I am sure that can be fixed, johnsom ;-) | 16:12 |
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| mugsie | xgerman loves signing people up for things :) | 16:12 |
| xgerman | well, he wrote the CLI for v2 in the first place | 16:12 |
| johnsom | This may be covered in the new arch docs, but is there the idea that we would roll up stats as well? | 16:12 |
| johnsom | I got it cleaned up, working, and merged.... | 16:13 |
| mugsie | its not in the docs yet ... by roll up you mean a single status endpoint for a whole GLB? | 16:13 |
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| johnsom | I'm still a bit fuzzy on how deep the integration with LBaaSv2 will go | 16:13 |
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| johnsom | stats, i.e. bytes in and out | 16:14 |
| mugsie | oh | 16:14 |
| mugsie | I hadnt even considered that | 16:14 |
| mugsie | that is a good question | 16:14 |
| mugsie | should we have that in scope? | 16:14 |
| johnsom | I guess I am full of them recently | 16:14 |
| mugsie | :) | 16:14 |
| johnsom | Let me read through the new spec, and I'll comment there | 16:15 |
| mugsie | cool. | 16:15 |
| mugsie | we have not defined a stats endpoint yet at all | 16:15 |
| mugsie | so that might need to be added to the API spec as well | 16:15 |
| johnsom | Yeah, just thinking about metering/billing type issues | 16:16 |
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| mugsie | yeah | 16:16 |
| mugsie | damn deployers needing to charge people | 16:16 |
| mugsie | :) | 16:16 |
| dougwig | in theory, we should just be hitting the rest endpoints of designate and lbaas, right? if not, i think we have a missing api. :) | 16:16 |
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| mugsie | yeah, so maybe the stats may not be needed | 16:17 |
| johnsom | One approach could be to just account for gslb hits/traffic. Another could be a deeper integration. I lean towards the first option myself. | 16:17 |
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| mugsie | yeah. which comes back to the designate stats endpoint | 16:18 |
| dougwig | i'd think you'd want to track DNS hits, for billing gslb. | 16:18 |
| mugsie | where we decided to explicitly *not* support number of queries | 16:18 |
| mugsie | so we may have to revisit that | 16:18 |
| johnsom | Hahahaha, fun had by all | 16:18 |
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| mugsie | OK, any other queries / comments / complaints? | 16:20 |
| mugsie | or bikesheds? | 16:20 |
| * dougwig readies his paintbrushes. | 16:20 | |
| mugsie | we could talk about commit message lengths? :P | 16:20 |
| johnsom | Did we pick a logo? | 16:20 |
| mugsie | oh, yeah | 16:20 |
| johnsom | Or we could talk about code width | 16:20 |
| xgerman | tabs or spaces anyone? | 16:20 |
| mugsie | https://a248.e.akamai.net/cdn.hpcloudsvc.com/g8f08eda56ca72a0a73bb6684f43aac18/prodae1//kosmos-logo.zip | 16:21 |
| mugsie | will link that off the wiki | 16:21 |
| mugsie | tabs converted to 3 spaces obviously xgerman | 16:21 |
| davidlenwell | 2 spaces or go home ;) | 16:21 |
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| * xgerman gets scissors for the yak | 16:22 | |
| mugsie | and windows line ending | 16:22 |
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| mugsie | there will be stickers in tokyo as well :) | 16:22 |
| johnsom | Awesome! | 16:22 |
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| johnsom | Ok, that was the important business I had. | 16:23 |
| mugsie | :D | 16:23 |
| mugsie | OK, last chance .... | 16:23 |
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| mugsie | OK | 16:24 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:24 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 16:24:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:24 |
| xgerman | o/ | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2015/kosmos.2015-09-29-16.00.html | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2015/kosmos.2015-09-29-16.00.txt | 16:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kosmos/2015/kosmos.2015-09-29-16.00.log.html | 16:24 |
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