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nikhilmfedosin: ativelkov: around?14:02
nikhil#startmeeting glance_artifacts_sub_team14:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Oct 19 14:02:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance_artifacts_sub_team'14:02
nikhillet's see who all are around for the meeting14:02
mfedosino/14:02
dshakhrayo/14:02
mfedosinhi :) Alex is not here14:03
jokke_o/14:03
* jokke_ is lurking around14:03
nikhilI see14:03
nikhilLet's get started.14:03
mfedosinI had no artifact activity last week :)14:03
nikhil#topic agenda14:03
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nikhilThere's no set agenda.14:03
mfedosinas usual14:03
nikhilHowever, we discussed a few action items last week.14:03
nikhil:)14:04
mfedosinoh, yes14:04
mfedosinwe added a summit session14:04
nikhilmfedosin: cool. so we can quickly do a review and have a small meeting today. see if we need to complete anything prior to summit.14:04
mfedosinnikhil, agree14:04
nikhillet's do that then.14:05
nikhil#topic review action items, add more (if any) for the summit.14:05
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nikhil#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2015/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2015-10-12-14.02.html14:05
nikhilthat's ^ where we had logged a few of them14:05
nikhilrather *most* of them14:05
nikhilreaching out to the teams has been done partially afaik14:06
nikhillet's continue that for this week14:06
nikhil#action Alex, nikhil, <any_with_ack>: reach out to heat and magnum team to discuss their possibility and intent to use artifacts14:06
nikhilativelkov: did send an article14:07
mfedosindid he?14:07
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nikhil#link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg65926.html14:07
nikhilas an email; I sup that was the intent behind it14:08
mfedosinah, you are talking about this email14:08
mfedosinI see hot discussions there14:09
nikhilshould we expect more on that as a separate article?14:09
mfedosinhe will try14:09
nikhilhere's the full thread14:09
nikhil#link http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/6663814:09
jokke_I was expecting blog post or something like that tbh14:09
nikhilI will try to comment on that today14:09
mfedosinbut the possibility is small14:09
nikhilok, hoping for the one.14:10
nikhilbut no worries if not14:10
jokke_but I do share the concerns of the app catalog folks ...14:10
nikhilI know it's a busy time of the year14:10
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mfedosinI'll tell him14:10
jokke_mfedosin: you think that Alex haven't noticed this being busy time? :P14:10
jokke_hasn't even14:11
nikhilshould  we move on to the next one?14:12
nikhilor are there more comments on this?14:12
mfedosinfrankly speaking I haven't read it carefully14:12
mfedosinI mean the email14:12
nikhilyeah, no worries.14:12
nikhilok, in the interest of time I will move forward14:12
mfedosinI just had a glance on it :)14:12
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mfedosinokey, go next14:13
nikhilwe do have a session proposed at the fishbowl track14:13
mfedosinI think so14:13
nikhilI meant accepted and published (not only proposed)14:14
mfedosinThursday 15:30 - 16:10 (fisbowl): Artifacts Review (ativelkov)14:14
nikhil#link https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/glance#.VhaVuqLShbo14:14
nikhilthat's the full list14:14
mfedosinhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-glance-summit-topics14:14
nikhilevent is at14:14
nikhil#link https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/4666ddcbed5c1b8c8e7301f84952e3d4#.ViT6uaJan9s14:14
nikhilyes, thanks mfedosin14:14
mfedosinyou're welcome14:14
nikhilgood to have the etherpad out there for any comments/conversation starters prior to the event14:14
nikhilthat reminds me14:15
nikhilI think Flavio created a discussion etherpad and linked it to the event14:15
nikhillink is14:15
nikhil#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-glance-artifacts-review14:15
mfedosinyes, exactly14:16
nikhilit asks for list of attendees (possibly for event planning)14:16
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mfedosinI added myself14:16
mfedosinHope Alex will be there too14:16
nikhil#info everyone: please list yourself as attendees to all events on sched.org and on etherpad to help with planning14:16
nikhilNext one is release notes14:17
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nikhilI created the wiki and linked it on -glance prior to publishing. Did hear feedback and everything was ok.14:18
nikhilThe documentation team actually helped clean it up a bit before link was distributed.14:18
mfedosinthanks nikhil !14:18
nikhilThe next one is related to rc-final and we are good on that.14:19
mfedosinyes, no problems at all14:19
nikhilawesome!14:19
nikhilLast but (likely) not the least is read and comment on Alex's article.14:19
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mfedosinsome bugs are there, but they are definitely not critical14:19
nikhilLet's add our comments to the email if possible.14:20
nikhilmfedosin: ah I see14:20
nikhil#info review on action items is done here.14:20
mfedosinI'll write email with my response to that thread14:20
nikhilmfedosin: cool!14:20
nikhilmuch appreciated14:21
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mfedosinis it all?14:21
nikhil#topic open discussion14:21
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mfedosinI have no any artifact related questions14:22
nikhilhey friends, so I have something to tell you guys14:22
jokke_shoot14:22
mfedosinc'mon14:22
nikhilI had to cancel my travel plans to Tokyo14:23
jokke_woot :o14:23
mfedosinO_O14:23
mfedosinomg14:23
mfedosinwhy?14:23
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nikhilyes, it was last minute14:23
nikhilactually, I still have to cancel my ticket14:23
mfedosingeez... it's bad14:23
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nikhilbut made a decision earlier14:24
nikhilI can share details with you personally.14:24
nikhilbut that's the news.14:24
jokke_:(14:25
mfedosinbut you have a presentation there14:25
nikhilyup :/14:25
nikhilI don't know how things are going to work out but we still have a week to figure things out..14:25
mfedosinwill you be at least in Texas next spring?14:25
nikhilthat is my plan14:26
nikhilLet's see where the mid-cycle is and when14:26
mfedosinI'm sad :(14:26
nikhilI am planning some time off for this matter later this year or early next.14:27
mfedosinI wish to see you there14:27
mfedosinI think the final place for mid-cycle is not set yet?14:27
nikhilI haven't heard anything about it yet14:28
jokke_I haven't heard anything yet 'bout midcycle14:28
nikhiljokke_: :)14:28
jokke_heh14:28
mfedosinlike twins :)14:28
jokke_from different parents :P14:28
mfedosinIt's popular in Indian movies14:29
nikhilmfedosin: lol, really?14:29
jokke_time14:29
nikhilexample14:29
mfedosinnikhil in PM14:29
nikhiljokke_: thinking twins14:29
jokke_we can continue this outside of the meeting ;)14:29
nikhillike there are scientists who make similar discoveries at the same time :P14:30
nikhiloh yeah, we are out of time14:30
nikhilthanks all for joining!14:30
nikhil#endmeeting14:30
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Oct 19 14:30:20 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:30
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mfedosinyeah, thanks folks14:30
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2015/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2015-10-19-14.02.log.html14:30
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gsagie_Hello everyone,14:58
feiskyhi14:59
gsagie_hi feisky :)14:59
banixgsagie_: hi15:00
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gsagie_ok, i think we can start15:00
gsagie_#startmeeting Kuryr15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Oct 19 15:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gsagie_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
tfukushimaToni is on vacation, BTW.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kuryr'15:00
gsagie_Yeah, Toni is in Tokyo :)15:00
gsagie_setting the grounds for us15:00
tfukushimaHe's visiting Kyoto actually.15:01
gsagie_Who is in for the meeting, i see banix feisty and tfukushima15:01
gsagie_feisky15:01
gsagie_i think we will have a short meeting this week because everyone are probably busy with the summit..15:02
gsagie_#topic libnetwork updates15:02
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gsagie_tfukushima: anything to update us on the progress? most patches are merged15:02
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tfukushimaSo my patches for catching up with the libnetwork was merged.15:02
tfukushimaVikas is working on updading the devref.15:03
salv-orlandoaloha15:03
gsagie_ok cool once this is done i will update our Kuryr spec at the neutron repository15:03
gsagie_Hello salv-orlando15:03
tfukushimaVikas is also working on the validation issue for /NetworkDriver.CreateEndpoint .15:03
gsagie_#action gassy update Kuryr neutron spec with lib network new workflow15:03
gsagie_#action gsagie update Kuryr neutron spec with lib network new workflow15:04
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gsagie_tfukushima: so we are right now synced with the service removal and it should work if i rebase on your Join patch?15:04
tfukushimaActually Vikas found the behaviour of change of creating endpoints as I put above.15:05
tfukushimaExcept for that I confirmed it works against the specific version of libnetwork.15:06
tfukushimaIn the latest one, I found some issues.15:06
tfukushimavagrant@devstack:~/kuryr$ sudo docker run -it --net=foo --rm ubuntu /bin/bash15:06
tfukushimaError deleting container: Error response from daemon: Driver aufs failed to remove root filesystem f7f5134b9043da4d5d44e6849ec4a609f1e41df0942ae9581714208134080332: rename /var/lib/docker/0.0/aufs/mnt/f7f5134b9043da4d5d44e6849ec4a609f1e41df0942ae9581714208134080332 /var/lib/docker/0.0/aufs/mnt/f7f5134b9043da4d5d44e6849ec4a609f1e41df0942ae9581714208134080332-removing: device or resource busy15:06
tfukushimaError response from daemon: Cannot start container f7f5134b9043da4d5d44e6849ec4a609f1e41df0942ae9581714208134080332: failed to create endpoint admiring_pike on network foo: driver modified interface address: endpoint interface IP present (172.19.0.2/16). Cannot be modified with (172.19.0.2/16).; rolled back15:06
tfukushimaI tested against the following version and everything works with that.15:07
tfukushimahttps://apt.dockerproject.org/repo/pool/experimental/d/docker-engine/docker-engine_1.9.0~dev~git20150924.164351.0.1e514de-0~jessie_amd64.deb`15:07
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gsagie_ok good work, we will probably demo from that version anyway and not the latest15:08
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vikasc__o/15:08
tfukushimaSo we'd use that version, yes.15:08
gsagie_and nice work from both you and vikas15:08
vikasc__sorry for being late15:08
banixso 1.9.0-rc1 is the one we nee dto work it but I think this late in our cycle staying with a couple of commits earlier we are ok15:08
gsagie_hi Vikas!15:08
vikasc__Hi Gal15:08
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vikasc__yes , IMO alo we should work on 1.9.0_rc115:09
gsagie_okie, vikas is that the version you changed the vagrant installation to point to?15:09
vikasc__yes Gal15:09
tfukushimaYeah, I tested with the env created by Vagrant. Thanks for that Vikas.15:10
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gsagie_okie great, after the summit we can probably investigate the things tfukushima noticed with latest builds15:10
gsagie_#topic demo in openstack summit15:11
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gsagie_mestery: here?15:11
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mesterygsagie_: howdy! :)15:11
gsagie_Anything is missing on your end for the demo?15:11
gsagie_Hi daneyon ! :)15:11
gsagie_tfukushima, banix: i think we agreed not to demo with Docker Swarm, or has that changed?15:12
banixgsagie_: no that’s my understanding15:13
gsagie_okie15:13
gsagie_anything new to update on that Integration band?15:13
gsagie_banix15:13
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banixgsagie_: are you referring to swarm?15:14
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gsagie_yes15:14
banixgsagie_: we have been doing some work on that area but nothing interesting to report yet; simply catching up with new changes15:15
gsagie_okie cool15:15
gsagie_tfukushima: is there any help you need for the demo ? i think you helping Toni on that, please let me know if there is anything you need from me15:16
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vikasc__i am also available for any help Taku15:16
banixgsagie_:  tfukushima it’s good to know what exactly the plan is for the demo15:17
tfukushimaI don't have issues for now. So I heard no multi node connectivity demo. Am I understanding correctly?15:17
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tfukushimaBasically it'd be the same as the last demo I put but with Horizon.15:17
tfukushimabanix: I heard you worked on some multi node connectivity stuff, which might be the next topic.15:18
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banixtfukushima: thanks; regarding horizon just to confirm my understanding, the conatiners show up only if we use compute:nova as owner?15:18
gsagie_banix: i believe so, we need to add support there feisky is working on it i believe15:19
banixtfukushima: yes, I have a multi node system but as independent docker hosts without swarm fronting them15:19
tfukushimabanix: Yes. We just show we set the device_owner field at this point.15:19
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banixok thanks15:19
gsagie_we want to be able to use kuryr:container as the owner15:19
gsagie_(similar to what Ironic is doing)15:19
gsagie_#topic trello board15:20
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gsagie_Ok, i believe everyone know but we have a Trello board for the project and after the summit i think we should start clearing it and transferring things to bugs/blue prints and track everything in launchpad15:20
gsagie_#link https://trello.com/b/cbIAXrQ2/project-kuryr15:21
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gsagie_so we should probably clean everything that is already done, i will work on it after the summit15:21
tfukushimaI finished some tasks, I believe, i.g., "Docker 1.9 new API adjustments".15:21
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tfukushimaOh, Ok.15:21
gsagie_tfukushima: Feel free to delete it, and anything else you finished15:22
gsagie_i think all the members should have edit premissions15:22
tfukushimagsagie_: Got it.15:22
gsagie_#topic Neutron design summit15:22
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gsagie_We will have part of a session to speak about Kuryr, i am still not sure how much time exactly but wanted to make sure the time it self fits everyone15:23
gsagie_http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/9be2ec1db45ea3267f811b8d35816e1c#.ViUK4kKfx-M15:23
gsagie_#link http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/9be2ec1db45ea3267f811b8d35816e1c#.ViUK4kKfx-M15:23
gsagie_If anyone has any conflict, please let me know and i will see what we can do15:23
gsagie_And if anyone from the team has something that he/she thinks should be on the items, please let me know as we are working on the exact schedule15:25
banixgsagie_: sounds good; it would be mice if we could find an hour or two for Kuryr to talk among ourselves. Saying it now as I am sure scheduling it will be a challenge15:26
gsagie_banix: yeah, its actually an action item on my self, are you staying friday as well?15:26
banixno mice, nice :)15:26
banixyes15:26
gsagie_so worst thing if we won't be able to find anything sooner we can do it on Friday, i will try to find something else and update everyone, would also like the Magnum team to join us15:27
gsagie_or at least the ones that are involved with the networking part15:27
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banixsounds good15:28
gsagie_#topic open discussion15:29
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gsagie_Anything else from anyone?15:29
tfukushimaIf we don't have any other topic, I'd like to talk about the multi node configuration a little bit.15:29
gsagie_tfukushima: sure15:29
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tfukushimaSo I tried --cluster-store and --cluster-adverties options of Docker 1.9.0.15:30
vikasc__Can we discuss remote ipam driver support after that?15:30
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tfukushimavikasc__: Yeah, mine would be short.15:31
vikasc__thanks tfukushima15:31
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gsagie_hi irenab15:31
tfukushimaActually I tried ZooKeeper as the backend because that's what I have right now.15:31
tfukushimaFrom the log I can see they're communicating each other.15:31
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tfukushimaHowever, when I create a network on a host, it's not synced on another host.15:32
tfukushimaWith overlay networking driver, it'd be synched among multiple hosts.15:33
banixtfukushima: when you say not sync, what do you mean? the network doesnt show on netowrk ls?15:33
tfukushimabanix: Yes.15:33
tfukushimabanix: How about your system? Have you experienced that? If so how did you add the capability to syncing multiple hosts?15:34
banixtfukushima: hmmm. have tried it with consul and that works fine15:34
tfukushimaIt's possible that I'm configuring it wrong.15:34
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tfukushimaOk, I'd appreciate if you could share the configuration. I must be doing wrong.15:35
banixtfukushima:  --cluster-store=consul://localhost:8500  --cluster-advertise=<your IP>:237515:35
tfukushimaDOCKER_OPTS="-D -H unix:///var/run/docker.sock -H tcp://0.0.0.0:2376 --cluster-advertise=192.168.11.14:2376 --cluster-store=zk://192.168.11.14:2181”15:35
tfukushimabanix: Thanks I'll try that. And I'm glad it worked on your side.15:36
banixtfukushima: this is the command line omn one node: docker -dD -H :2375 --cluster-store=consul://localhost:8500  --cluster-advertise=192.168.122.185:237515:36
banixtfukushima: sure; ping on IRC if you think i can be of any help15:37
tfukushimabanix: Ok. Thank you very much.15:37
tfukushimavikasc__: I think I finished. Please go ahead.15:38
vikasc__how are we going to support remote ipam driver apis?15:38
vikasc__in the same process or a seperate server for ipam driver also15:39
vikasc__thoughts?15:39
banixvikasc__: seperate sounds better15:39
banixas it allows possibly having different versins of it? if need be15:40
vikasc__banix, make sense15:40
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gsagie_Vikas: can you explain more what do you mean15:40
salv-orl_vikasc__: yeah curious about that too. I thought we'd leverage ipam via neutron only.15:41
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gsagie_yeah same, and neutron has a pluggable IPAM already, so we will just need to connect to it15:41
vikasc__gsagie_,  user has two options now.. either use built-in ipam of libnetwork or configure driver through docker cli15:42
vikasc__we will not need default subnets now i guess15:42
gsagie_vikasc__ : can you share a #link where its described maybe ?15:42
vikasc__one moment please15:43
vikasc__https://github.com/docker/libnetwork/blob/master/docs/ipam.md15:43
salv-orl_vikasc__: I think I see what you mean. A user can specify a 3rd party IPAM driver in addition to the libnetwork driver?15:43
gsagie_and are those lib network IPAM calls (that are done using docker cli) not being directed to the remote driver *Kuryr) ?15:43
gsagie_#link https://github.com/docker/libnetwork/blob/master/docs/ipam.md15:43
vikasc__gsagie_,  no15:44
vikasc__gsagie_, first they will go to ipam driver15:44
vikasc__if user has not mentioned .. libnetwork has a built it15:44
banixwell the remore drivers and the remote ipam drivers are essentially different entities; but they can of course be handled by a single kuryr driver15:44
salv-orl_vikasc__: it is interesting that this interface seems very close to neutron's ipam driver interface15:45
banixby remore driver i mean the dcker betwork plugin talking to the remote driver15:45
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vikasc__banix, agreed15:45
salv-orl_vikasc__: as docker has a default driver, does this mean that neutron's IPAM is going to be pretty much bypassed by docker's now?15:45
salv-orl_unless a kuryr IPAM driver is provided as well?15:45
gsagie_banix: just wondering why do you think that running those separately is better?15:46
banixsalv-orl_: right now yes15:46
vikasc__salv-orl_, yes15:46
tfukushimavikasc__:  I'm wondering what is the interface from the perspective of Kuryr or other remote drivers?15:46
tfukushima#link new create network API https://github.com/docker/libnetwork/blob/master/docs/remote.md#create-network15:46
banixright now there is no option of having a “null” libnetwork ipam driver so you either have that or you bring your own that implements the api15:46
salv-orl_banix, vikasc__: do you think an IPAM driver could just be implemented using Neutron's APIs or do you reckon we might need direct access to Neutron IPAM, which is not exposed via the API atm?15:46
vikasc__banix, exactly15:46
banixgsagie_: just because these are logically different components/modules15:47
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tfukushimaI thought it would be in /NetworkDriver.CreateNetwork.15:47
banixsalv-orl_: i think using Neutron API would be sufficient but need to look more closely15:47
vikasc__salv-orl_, abstraction layer need to be introduced for defining interface15:48
banixtfukushima: there are access through /IpamDriver.RequestPool etc15:49
banixthey are accesses15:49
banixaccessed15:49
vikasc__salv-orl_, we will have to define ipam apis. Then we can see how much we can reuse from neutron15:49
gsagie_banix: i am afraid that splitting these two in Kuryr, might lead to all strange race conditions, but i can't really back that up until i read more and understand the lib network IPAM better15:50
vikasc__gsagie_, thats why i brought this topic so that we can discuss more in next meeting15:51
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banixgsagie_: let’s look into it more closely and discuss further15:51
vikasc__we will have more thoughts by then15:51
gsagie_okie,15:51
gsagie_#action everyone to examine the new lib network IPAM APIs15:51
gsagie_#link https://github.com/docker/libnetwork/blob/master/docs/ipam.md15:51
salv-orl_vikasc__: why? bike shedding about things you don't actually know if fun ;)15:52
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* salv-orl_ is fun15:52
vikasc__salv-orl_, :D15:52
tfukushimaBTW, do we have the meeting next week in the same timeline?15:52
banixis there a session on bike shedding at the summit?15:52
vikasc__here is the blueprint i drafted for same.https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/remote-ipam-driver15:53
gsagie_tfukushima: i don't think so15:53
banixtfukushima: i would say let’s cancel the next week meeting15:53
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tfukushimaOk, there'd be tons of meetings next week. :-p15:53
vikasc__:)15:54
gsagie_yeah, we could all meet in person, no need to do it on IRC :)15:54
feiskyI'm coming back. Has the discussion finished?15:54
gsagie_feisky: yes, but you can read the log in a minute15:55
feiskyI have two questions15:55
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gsagie_sure, but we have 2 minutes before the other meeting start15:55
salv-orl_banix: the summit is actually all about bike shedding, as you surely know15:56
feiskyfirst about device_owner, we must have an agreement before take other actions to horizon15:56
banix:)15:56
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vikasc__:)15:57
feiskyWe can't expect expect horizon to accept a new device_owner since we are still be debating15:57
gsagie_feisky: lets take this offline, we discussed about it15:57
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gsagie_feisky: we are going to use a patch with nova:compute for the demo and then proceed with what was mentioned in the patch15:58
gsagie_i think irena was commenting15:58
feiskyOK15:58
gsagie_ok everyone are time is up, thanks for coming15:59
gsagie_our15:59
gsagie_and see you all in the summit15:59
tfukushimaHave safe trips, guys!15:59
gsagie_#endmeeting15:59
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salv-orl_adieuu15:59
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-10-19-15.00.html15:59
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2015/kuryr.2015-10-19-15.00.txt15:59
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vikasc__bye15:59
banixbye everyone15:59
tfukushimafeisky: We can continue on #openstack-neutron.16:00
SukhdevHey Folks, time for Ironic-Neutron meeting16:00
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cragusahi Sukhdev16:01
Sukhdev#startmeeting ironic_neutron16:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Oct 19 16:01:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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Sukhdevcragusa: hi16:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron'16:01
jrollmorning16:01
Sukhdev#topic: Agenda16:02
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Sukhdev#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_October_19.2C_201516:02
Sukhdev#topic: Announcements16:02
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SukhdevNext week is Summit - will see ya all there in Tokyo16:02
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lazy_princeo/16:03
lazy_princesorry a bit late..16:03
SukhdevNo meeting next week - everybody will be in transit16:03
Sukhdevlazy_prince: you are right on time16:03
lazy_princefine with me..16:03
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SukhdevThe week after Summit - some of us off as well traveling through Japan and others are travelling back home16:04
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SukhdevSo, I thought we cancel the meeting week after summit as well16:04
Sukhdevany body has any objection to that?16:04
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Sukhdevseems like there are no objections - so, next two weeks no meetings16:06
Sukhdevwe will resume on Nov 9th16:06
SukhdevMoving on with the agenda16:06
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Sukhdev#topic: Integration Status16:06
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SukhdevI have had all kinds of problems after installing the latest set of patches16:07
SukhdevLast week was a big struggle to get a BM to boot16:07
SukhdevIt turns out there is an issue with the Image -16:07
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Sukhdevjroll tried to help with the images, and I am chatting with lucas in the ironic channel with image related issues16:08
jrollthe prebuilt images should always work, ditto for the coreos builder. those are both CI'd extensively.16:08
Sukhdevjroll: the lasted on Friday was that the node will get into the reservation lock as you mentioned16:09
Sukhdevand the node will proceed further than wait-callback state16:10
jrollSukhdev: no, that's an edge case that can happen when code is broken, not a normal thing16:10
jrollanyway, we can take that stuff offline16:10
Sukhdevyes, we can take this after this meeting - need to undestand how to make forward progress on that16:11
SukhdevOther than this, I do not have any additional progress report to present16:12
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SukhdevAnybody has anything else to share?16:13
lazy_princeCan we ask all driver owners to validate if this works for them..16:13
lazy_princeor if some drivers are broken, we can get that addressed in nick of time..?16:14
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lazy_princejust a thought..16:14
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Sukhdevlazy_prince: do we know if any other driver is using this other than HP and Arista?16:14
jrolllazy_prince: ironic or neutron drivers?16:15
lazy_princeI was more particular about ironic drivers..16:15
jrollSukhdev: also of note, I just proposed the Nova spec for this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237067/16:15
Sukhdev#link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237067/16:15
Sukhdevjroll: thanks - I'll review it after the meeting16:16
jrolllazy_prince: we still don't have instructions for testing :(16:16
jrollnor docs for configuration16:16
jrollwe'll need those before asking people to test it; I'd also like it for my own testing16:16
Sukhdevjroll: cragusa has put out the initial version of the doc, we should help him beef it up16:17
lazy_princehmm.. I think we should take some time to complete those docs..16:17
jrollSukhdev: when I saw that it was just how to add portgroups :(16:18
cragusaI actually have addressed Sukhdev comments, but need to check it before pushing it16:18
cragusaI can do that tomorrow, if that's ok16:18
Sukhdevjroll: we should have everything in this spec - so, that this become one "go to" place for all the answers16:19
SukhdevI mean from the ironic side of the documentation16:19
jrollright16:19
lazy_princeagree..16:19
jrollwell, everything a deployer needs to know, step by step16:19
Sukhdevcorrect - if you see my comments on cragusa's spec, you will notice that I tried to elude to that - but, am sure I missed many steps16:20
Sukhdevso, if we all chip in, we can get this beefed up with information16:20
cragusaSukhdev: tomorrow I'll push the updated version, ok?16:21
Sukhdevcragusa: sounds good16:21
SukhdevWe should all review Nova spec which jroll just mentioned - make sure we are all good with that as well16:22
Sukhdevwe should get it ratified before the summit16:22
jrollit probably needs some updates, I spent a whole 15 minutes on it :P16:22
lazy_prince:) will make sure to review it..16:22
SukhdevI will do it as well16:23
yhvhme also16:23
jrollthanks16:24
cragusame too16:24
SukhdevSo, I think we have covered most of the items on the agenda - anybody wants to discuss anything else?16:24
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yhvhI answered a few comments on a patch, but I need to ask something16:25
SukhdevI will need help from jroll off-line to get past the issue that I am faced with so that I can make forward progress16:25
yhvhit seems we need port/groups uuids to be unique, but how should this be enforced?16:25
Sukhdevyhvh: please do16:25
jrollwhy do we need them unique?16:26
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jrollor rather, where16:26
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yhvhhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/206232/26/ironic/db/sqlalchemy/alembic/versions/5ea1b0d310e_added_port_group_table_and_altered_ports.py16:27
yhvhsecond comment16:27
yhvhI also seem to remember a comment on another patch but haven't found yet, possibly neutron side?16:27
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jrolloh, so we need the mac address to be unique, not the uuid16:27
yhvhsorry16:27
jrollthat's a great question16:28
jrollso for the portgroups, is that mac address supplied by the client? (does it need to be?)16:28
jrollI'm wondering if we can just generate those for the client16:28
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jrollis there a reason that needs to be sent by the client?16:30
jrollor can we just generate them like neutron does16:30
yhvhnot that I know of16:30
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jrollI guess that still doesn't help...16:30
jrollthe only thing I can imagine is a query to check, but that gets racy16:30
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jrollactually.16:30
jrollthey don't need to be unique, right?16:31
jrollif I have aa:aa and bb:bb, and put them into a portgroup16:31
jrollI could have the portgroup mac be aa:aa16:31
lazy_princeactually, they need to be . but i could be wron..16:31
jrollbecause neutron will only ever see the group mac16:31
jrollnow, if I made the portgroup mac cc:cc, and had a port with NO group as cc:cc, that could be problematic16:31
Sukhdev<port><mac> combo should be unique16:31
lazy_princesay some node have only ports but others could have portgroup//16:31
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jrollyeah16:32
lazy_princeso they could start stepping into each others mac ids..16:32
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jrollright16:32
lazy_princeless likely but practically possible that they could land up in same network too..16:32
lazy_princewhich could be problematic..16:33
jrollas terrible as it is, I'm inclined to think we should check the other table and let races happen if they happen16:33
jrolland document it well16:33
jrollI don't see a better way to do this16:33
yhvhI saw a hack with foreignkeys, then a constraint on that?16:33
yhvhjust seemed a little ugly16:33
lazy_princeor we say, only one of it can be active.. eith port or portgroups..16:34
jrollyeesh, yeah I don't love that16:34
jrollyhvh: like an intermediate table with macs?16:34
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jrollit isn't the worst idea, but I'm not a huge fan16:34
yhvhlike, portgroup has a relation to the address in port, and you can constrain on the values in foreignkey and local column16:35
jrolldevananda: ^ any thoughts? tl;dr what's the best way to enforce uniqueness of port.mac and portgroup.mac16:35
jrollhmm16:35
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jrolldeva used to build really fast databases in exchange for money, so I'd like to leverage his wisdom here16:36
jrollwhether he appears here or not16:36
yhvhwell if not I can ml and cc16:36
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jrollyeah, might be a good idea as others could chime in16:37
jrollhe'll respond eventually in irc, though16:37
Sukhdevso, we deal with this kind of stuff in the switches as well - but, generally, it is user conrolled16:38
SukhdevI mean users configure it -16:38
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baolijust a thought, does a port group mac use one of the macs from its memebers? and the member macs are hardware macs in this case?16:39
Sukhdevby virtue that <Port><mac> combo has to be unique, by defination, you can not screw it up16:39
lazy_princeanother thing i have is say how do we ensure that the mac ids are uniq across VM and baremetal..? We could still end up with a Mac id on BM allocated to a VM16:40
jrollSukhdev: a portgroup mac could still conflict with a port mac, if the port doesn't have a group16:40
jrolllazy_prince: the deployer configures the MAC prefix used by virtual ports, and they should be using a prefix that isn't assigned to a manufacturer16:41
SukhdevI am not expert on this, but, I can go check with our experts to query as to how do we deal with this16:41
jrollbaoli: it may but is not required, and yes16:41
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devanandaa wild devananda appears in a cloud of smoke16:44
devanandajroll: ohhai!16:44
yhvhlol16:44
jrollhaaaai16:44
Sukhdev:-)16:44
Sukhdevdevananda: how wild?16:44
devanandawhat do you mean "uniqueness of ..." ?16:44
jrolldevananda: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206232/26/ironic/db/sqlalchemy/alembic/versions/5ea1b0d310e_added_port_group_table_and_altered_ports.py16:44
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jrolldevananda: imagine a port with no group with MAC aa:aa, and a portgroup with MAC aa:aa16:45
jrollboom.16:45
devanandaheh16:45
devanandaso, unique across tables16:45
jrollyah16:45
jrollmy best shot at it is an intermediate table with the mac addresses16:45
devanandacan be done. but not in a reasonable or supportable-across-databases kind of way16:45
devanandajroll: how do you ensure that table is up to date?16:45
jrollor eat the race conditions and validate in code16:46
jrolleh?16:46
jrollport: id | mac_id  portgroup: id | mac_id  macs: id | mac_addr16:46
jrollmac_id fields are fk16:46
jrollmacs.mac_addr is unique constraint16:46
devanandatriggers, FKs16:46
devanandayah16:46
devanandajroll: but how do you know that there isn't a port AND a portgroup with the same MAC ?16:47
devanandaFK on those two table won't ensure that16:47
jrolldevananda: oh god16:47
jrollyeah16:47
jrolllol16:47
jrollidk if this is solvable in 12 minutes, but some help would be cool :)16:47
devanandaright. I'll read the review. lets not try to solve it now16:47
jroll16:46:01          jroll | or eat the race conditions and validate in code16:47
jroll^ I don't love this idea but it will work :P16:48
devanandait'll lead to a poor UX16:48
jrollright16:48
devanandaquestion16:48
devanandawhere does the MAC for a portgroup come from?16:48
jrollanother option is don't allow clients to supply portgroup.mac, but rather generate it16:48
devanandaheh16:48
jrollreccomend prefixes that definitely aren't HW16:48
yhvhdevananda: client supplied16:49
jrollrecommend*16:49
devanandacan a switch require a specific MAC for a portgroup?16:49
devanandaor is it totally arbitrary?16:49
jrollI have no clue16:49
jrollit seems arbitrary16:49
devanandawhat is the requirement within the network environment itself for the MAC address' uniqueness?16:49
jrollgenerally you tell the switch what the MAC is for the MLAG or whatever16:49
devanandaeg, what happens if there are two switches and each has a portgroup with the same mac ?16:49
devanandaseems bad16:49
jrolland the last question will depend on the deployment, I suspect16:49
devanandaand seems like a problem that network folks have already solved16:50
jrollin our v2 deployment I think it would work as there's L2 -> VXLAN translation in the switch16:50
devanandaSukhdev: ^ ?16:50
SukhdevThis is a well understood and solved problem by all switch vendors - I can go ask our experts how we deal with this and share with the team next meeting16:50
jroll(I think, I don't actually know what the group mac would do there)16:50
devanandajroll: ok. so portgroup must be unique withinthe VXLAN16:50
jrollSukhdev: "next meeting" is three weeks from now :P16:50
devanandastill seems like "just let the client set it" is not a great approach16:51
jrolldevananda: yeah, I think so16:51
jrollright16:51
jrollespecially if they don't need to16:51
Sukhdevjroll: Opps - I can post on the review - as a comment16:51
jrollthanks16:51
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devanandaironic or neutron API could accept a MAC then have it rejected by the switch because oops-not-unique-in-the-VXLAN16:51
jrollI think neutron might reject it at that point, but that's still too late16:51
Sukhdevdevananda: actually, in my Ironic testing, I often see error message saying mac address is already in use16:52
devanandaSukhdev: o.016:52
Sukhdevthis happens if Ironic driver drive does not clean neutron ports and tries to reuse upon an new launch of VM16:53
jrollyeah16:53
jrollthat's a nova->neutron thing16:53
* jroll has been there16:53
devanandaugh16:53
Sukhdevyup - so, it is checked somewhere16:53
devanandawell, feel free to move on. i've got enough now to think about the db side of this, but wont have an answer right away16:54
jrollbut "deploy time" is too late, regardless.16:54
jrollyeah, I need to bounce as well and stretch my legs before next meeting16:54
jrollgood meeting, thanks Sukhdev16:54
SukhdevThanks folks this was a great discussion16:55
yhvhyes thanks all16:55
SukhdevWe will see each other in Tokyo next week16:55
cragusathanks16:55
Sukhdevbye16:55
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Sukhdev#endmeeting16:55
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