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| Piet | #startmeeting OpenStack UX | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 6 15:02:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Piet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack UX)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ux' | 15:02 |
| ducttape_ | hey | 15:02 |
| Piet | Hey | 15:02 |
| Piet | Let me take role in a few minutes | 15:03 |
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| Piet | timur? You around? | 15:04 |
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| Piet | Let's go ahead and take role to see if anyone is able to make it this morning. Changed the time last minute, so maybe poor attendance | 15:06 |
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| Piet | @ducttape_ | 15:07 |
| ducttape_ | yo | 15:07 |
| Piet | Anyone else? | 15:08 |
| ducttape_ | might be extra quiet, with summit and US daylight savings fallout ? | 15:08 |
| Piet | Well, I also changed the time last minute and we have a lot of newbs | 15:09 |
| Piet | Let me give you a few things to review (please) and I'll close | 15:09 |
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| Piet | Hi travis | 15:09 |
| TravT | hey Piet | 15:09 |
| TravT | i volunteer at my kids school this morning, so actually can only be on here for about 5 minutes. | 15:10 |
| Piet | @tsufiev_ | 15:10 |
| Piet | K | 15:10 |
| Piet | real quick | 15:10 |
| tsufiev_ | hello | 15:10 |
| Piet | Hi timure | 15:10 |
| TravT | o/ tsufiev_ | 15:10 |
| Piet | Need reviews and +2/-2 | 15:11 |
| Piet | Ironic Panel: https://openstack.invisionapp.com/d/main/#/projects/4821968 | 15:11 |
| tsufiev_ | Piet, will do a couple today, because the next 2 weeks I'll be on a PTO ) | 15:11 |
| Piet | k | 15:11 |
| TravT | i looked at the yesterday and it looked like Michael had a bunch of comments | 15:11 |
| TravT | s/the/that | 15:12 |
| Piet | Ironic? | 15:12 |
| TravT | yeah | 15:12 |
| Piet | Yeah, feel free to respond to his comments | 15:12 |
| Piet | Project Image Panel: https://openstack.invisionapp.com/d/#/projects/4882126/screens | 15:12 |
| Piet | LBaaS: https://invis.io/FD4LVVAX7 | 15:13 |
| Piet | @tsufiev_ Please +2/-2 if you feel comfortable doing so | 15:14 |
| TravT | so, this horizon blueprint has a mockup with it that isn't in invision | 15:15 |
| Piet | #topic Neutron Migration Study | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Neutron Migration Study (Meeting topic: OpenStack UX)" | 15:15 | |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/import-images | 15:15 |
| TravT | https://projects.invisionapp.com/share/S33TEMG4E#/screens | 15:15 |
| TravT | FYI. | 15:15 |
| TravT | I'm -1 on it right now | 15:15 |
| Piet | k - remember to record your vote on the first image | 15:16 |
| Piet | So we have a record | 15:16 |
| TravT | ok, i have to run. will read back from the logs. | 15:16 |
| TravT | thx | 15:16 |
| Piet | Ciao | 15:16 |
| tsufiev_ | Piet, going to assess Project Images in a while | 15:17 |
| Piet | We are presenting the results of the Nova Networks / Neutron migration study in two weeks | 15:17 |
| Piet | Cool | 15:17 |
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| tsufiev_ | are we supposed to review mockups during this meeting or it's just for coordination/discussion things etc? | 15:17 |
| Piet | coordination | 15:17 |
| tsufiev_ | k | 15:18 |
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| Piet | The Neutron Migration study overview will be on Nov 23 @ 10AM MST - I will send out invities to the team | 15:19 |
| ducttape_ | what happened with lbaas? it seems like a another redo ? | 15:19 |
| Piet | Yeah - there was a lot of information that was missing. I had three meetings with stakeholders this week to get it straightened out | 15:20 |
| Piet | Please hammer it if you see a lot of issues | 15:20 |
| ducttape_ | so is it something to review now? it looks like a step backwards, tons of screens to get stuff setup | 15:20 |
| Piet | Tons of options for LBaaS. Review when you have time. Don't think it's practical to do now | 15:21 |
| tsufiev_ | I see 3 modals stacked here https://openstack.invisionapp.com/share/FD4LVVAX7#/screens/113517311 | 15:22 |
| Piet | We can also schedule a time to review via google hangouts if you like | 15:22 |
| Piet | looking now | 15:22 |
| tsufiev_ | how many modals in a stack are we going to have? 3 already look like a little bit too much | 15:22 |
| Piet | I was uncomfortable with it as well, but the rationale is that imports happen infrequently | 15:23 |
| Piet | So we pulled it from the Listener workflow | 15:23 |
| tsufiev_ | ok | 15:23 |
| Piet | However, I will add it to the Listener workflow if I get a lot of comments | 15:24 |
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| Piet | The other thing is that its cleaner if you select "Import Instance" as an in row action | 15:24 |
| Piet | But, again, feel free to push back | 15:25 |
| julim_ | hi - sorry late to join. | 15:25 |
| Piet | And it's my work, so I'm probably biased and will not vote on it | 15:25 |
| Piet | Hi Ju | 15:25 |
| Piet | We're talking about needed reviews | 15:26 |
| Piet | Timur noticed 3 modals on the LBaaS workflow https://openstack.invisionapp.com/share/FD4LVVAX7#/screens/113517311 | 15:26 |
| Piet | Note, it's my work so I'm not voting on it | 15:27 |
| Piet | One other thing, I'm going to have folks reach-out to the UX cores via IRC if they need a review/approval for a project. | 15:28 |
| tsufiev_ | btw, I wonder what's the usual resolution you guys are using? | 15:28 |
| Piet | two +2s | 15:28 |
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| Piet | We're moving to Gerrit, so that process will be automated | 15:28 |
| Piet | - 2 blocks | 15:29 |
| tsufiev_ | I have standard 1920x1080 and it's not enough to fit both mockup and the invision sidebars on one display | 15:29 |
| tsufiev_ | have to zoom out, which also has its cons | 15:29 |
| ducttape_ | 1920x1080 seems like it should be good enough, but I have 2560 x 1440 | 15:30 |
| Piet | Does reducing the viewport size on your browser help? | 15:30 |
| tsufiev_ | Piet, not sure it could help because the image is too big to fit into my display :) | 15:31 |
| Piet | Do we need people creating slightly smaller mocks? | 15:32 |
| tsufiev_ | so I'm looking at Project Images zoomed out at 67% | 15:32 |
| tsufiev_ | I don't want to force anyone using suboptimal resolution, instead I suggest to create a survey/polling where each regular contributor would post his working resolution | 15:33 |
| Piet | Julim_ Same issue? | 15:33 |
| julim_ | I'm looking at lbaas mocks but not having an issue | 15:33 |
| tsufiev_ | if I'm in a minority, it's better to stay with existing resolution. But if a majority suffers, why use resolution which is too big? | 15:33 |
| julim_ | do you have the link to the what tsufiev_ is looking at? | 15:34 |
| Piet | https://openstack.invisionapp.com/share/FD4LVVAX7#/screens/113517311 | 15:34 |
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| Piet | Also note from the usability that we had some issues with combining too many things into a single step, but no complaints about the workflow being too long | 15:35 |
| Piet | For Launch Instance | 15:35 |
| Piet | Go ahead and leave feedback. I;ll take a look in Invision | 15:36 |
| Piet | #topic personas | 15:36 |
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| julim_ | piet - I don't have problems with resolution. | 15:37 |
| julim_ | My Resolution: 2880 x 1800 Retina | 15:37 |
| Piet | k | 15:37 |
| Piet | Let's shelve for now | 15:37 |
| tsufiev_ | ah, lucky people with big monitors :) | 15:37 |
| Piet | Yep | 15:37 |
| julim_ | that's my laptop | 15:37 |
| * tsufiev_ sighs | 15:38 | |
| Piet | ;^) | 15:38 |
| Piet | Any interest in chatting about the personas? | 15:39 |
| Piet | Ju and I discussed yesterday | 15:39 |
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| julim_ | I might have missed the persona discussion yesterday (mtg conflict) | 15:40 |
| julim_ | was there anything on persona validation that was discussed? | 15:41 |
| Piet | julim_ sorry...I mixed-up with the Neutron study discussion with Melissa | 15:41 |
| Piet | Stan and I emailed a few times about creating a wiki with links to the survey and the personas. We would provide operators with a link to the wiki | 15:42 |
| Piet | Were you invited to the meeting on personas next week? | 15:43 |
| Piet | Just checked my calendar - you have an invite | 15:43 |
| Piet | Timur and Eric: I can send an invite, but not sure it would be interesting because we're just talking about how to get them reviewed | 15:44 |
| ducttape_ | no prob. you can skip me | 15:45 |
| tsufiev_ | Piet, please skip me next week as well, as I'll be on a PTO | 15:45 |
| Piet | ducttape_ I will be asking you to review the personas | 15:46 |
| Piet | ducttape_ since you're an operator | 15:46 |
| ducttape_ | thats fine | 15:46 |
| Piet | ducttape_ thanks | 15:47 |
| Piet | Anything else? | 15:47 |
| ducttape_ | not from me | 15:48 |
| Piet | julim_ ? | 15:48 |
| julim_ | none from me piet | 15:48 |
| Piet | tsufiev_ ? | 15:48 |
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| tsufiev_ | I wonder if anybody seriously considered moving to SparkleShare? | 15:48 |
| tsufiev_ | (as it was suggested on Summit) | 15:49 |
| tsufiev_ | just curious | 15:49 |
| tsufiev_ | git integration looks interesting | 15:49 |
| Piet | I was chatting w wendar about it, but we're not sure if it works with Gerrit | 15:49 |
| Piet | But is being looked at | 15:49 |
| tsufiev_ | okay, good to know | 15:50 |
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| Piet | hurgleburgler and I are chatting about creating a repo next week | 15:50 |
| Piet | hurgleburgler: is planning to do the leg work to get everything running and help document | 15:51 |
| Piet | BTW - Diana was also promoted to core | 15:51 |
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| ducttape_ | :D | 15:51 |
| tsufiev_ | I would be surprised if she wouldn't ) | 15:51 |
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| Piet | tsufiev_ promoted to Core? | 15:52 |
| tsufiev_ | Piet, yes | 15:52 |
| Piet | Yeah, she's been very involved in both reviews and process | 15:52 |
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| Piet | BTW - Intel OTC UX is working on a heuristic for conducting reviews. Basically a checklist of things that reviewers should focus one. | 15:54 |
| Piet | For example, no more than two modals stacked. ;^) | 15:54 |
| tsufiev_ | +2 :) | 15:55 |
| Piet | hinnant_ Morning | 15:55 |
| Piet | + 2 from me, as well. I like that they're looking at helping with that kind of stuff | 15:55 |
| hinnant_ | Piet morning, you moved the meeting up an hour... didn't see that | 15:55 |
| Piet | That was my bad. It's actually easier to download the ICS file from here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_UX_Working_Group_Meeting | 15:56 |
| hinnant_ | Where will they post the hueristics? | 15:56 |
| Piet | hinnnant_ I am pushing them to post to an OpenStack wiki | 15:56 |
| ducttape_ | gotta run, thanks all | 15:57 |
| Piet | Kind of bad form to use other tools | 15:57 |
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| hinnant_ | Should be to the UX wiki page, right? that way designers and development teams can reference it so they can make those part of the design before we have to -2 them | 15:57 |
| Piet | Yep | 15:57 |
| Piet | Might be interesting to post to Invision for review | 15:58 |
| Piet | They're also creating a site map for Horizon | 15:58 |
| Piet | OK - out of time. Good meeting - thanks for attending! | 15:59 |
| hinnant_ | Piet re:site map - we have one in a spreadsheet, may be out of date and depends on the services turned on... | 16:00 |
| tsufiev_ | bye! | 16:00 |
| hinnant_ | okay, out! | 16:00 |
| Piet | #endmeeting OpenStack UX | 16:01 |
| Piet | hold on | 16:01 |
| Piet | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| Piet | @tsufiev an i using the wrong command? #endmeeting? | 16:01 |
| tsufiev_ | yes | 16:01 |
| tsufiev_ | try openstack_ux | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 6 16:01:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2015/openstack_ux.2015-11-06-15.02.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2015/openstack_ux.2015-11-06-15.02.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2015/openstack_ux.2015-11-06-15.02.log.html | 16:01 |
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| tsufiev_ | I mean, no, command looks ok | 16:02 |
| Piet | #endmeeting OpenStack UX | 16:02 |
| tsufiev_ | what if '#endmeeting openstack_ux' | 16:03 |
| Piet | #endmeeting openstack_ux | 16:03 |
| tsufiev_ | hm.. | 16:03 |
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| Piet | ;^) embarrassing | 16:03 |
| tsufiev_ | haha | 16:03 |
| tsufiev_ | I think #endmeeting should have been enough | 16:04 |
| tsufiev_ | maybe the bot was lagging | 16:04 |
| Piet | Heh | 16:04 |
| Piet | Have a good vacation? | 16:04 |
| Piet | Vacation "!" | 16:04 |
| tsufiev_ | Piet, thank you, hope it'll be good. Will try to read as little mail/chats as I can :) | 16:05 |
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