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acabot#startmeeting watcher14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 20 14:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'watcher'14:00
vincentfrancoiseo/14:00
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dtardivelo/14:00
edleafe\o14:00
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slaweqhello14:00
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acabotour agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#01.2F20.2F201614:01
tkaczynskihi14:01
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acabot#topic Announcements14:02
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tpeoples\\o14:02
acabotquick update regarding mitaka-214:02
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acabot#info : 11 BPs en 41 bugs targeted for mitaka-214:02
sballeo/14:03
acabotit is more BPs than Nova project :-)14:03
acabotso thanks to all of you14:03
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jwcroppe+1000014:03
sballeone quick annoucement from Intel. bzhou has decided to leave intel and will be replaced with edwin ...14:03
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acabotjust to remind you that we had only 3 BPs for mitaka-1 !14:03
sballeI cannot remember edwin;s irc14:04
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gzhaiI'm edwin14:04
acabothella gzhai14:04
gzhaihello14:04
sballeWelcome gzhai :-)14:04
acabotwelcome14:04
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jed56Welcome gzhai!14:04
tpeopleshi gzhai14:04
vincentfrancoisewelcome gzhai :)14:04
gzhaihello all:)14:05
sballeacabot: I am working with nishi and team to get the bps in asap. she has been super busy reworkign the story around the demo and showing it to senior folks at intel14:05
acabotgzhai : could you please register to watcher drivers ? https://launchpad.net/~watcher-drivers14:05
gzhaiacabot: ok14:05
acabotsballe: is gzhai the new Intel core contrib ?14:05
sballeyes please14:05
sballeacabot:  yes please14:06
acabot#action dtardivel update gzhai & bzhou core dev status on launchpad14:06
sballebzhou told me he still want to work on watcher when he moves over to his new company but I think let's see if they let him and maybe he can earn his core status the regular way14:06
acabotI suppose we remove the core feature to bzhou ?14:06
acabotsballe : +114:07
tkaczynskihi Tomasz here, should I also register to watcher drivers?14:07
acabot#action acabot reassign BPs & bugs to gzhai14:07
sballetkaczynski: Welcome too14:07
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sballeyes please register to watcher drivers tkaczynski14:07
acabottkacynski : hi Tomasz, yes you can14:08
jed56everybody can register to watcher drivers for  contributing : -)14:08
acabot#action gzhai tkaczynski register to watcher-drivers14:08
acabotany other annoucement so far ?14:08
sballeno from me14:09
acabot#topic Review Action Items14:09
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jwcroppejust that it will be nice to see everyone in Austin in two weeks :)14:09
acabotjwcroppe : :-D, we will be 10 in Austin which is great !14:09
sballe+1'14:09
dtardiveltkaczynski: what is your username on Launchpad ?14:09
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jwcroppebtw, for mid-cycle - we will order lunch in every day14:11
sballe+1000014:11
tkaczynskidtardivel I don't have username there yet14:11
acabotwe need a status on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/optimization-threshold, gzhai do you plan to take it ?14:11
sballeso working lunches ;-)14:11
acabotsballe : ok ;-)14:11
gzhaiacabot: I assume that14:11
tkaczynskiI'm just starting to organize myself here, looking around :)14:12
sballeis bzhou in the meeting?14:12
acabotgzhai : ok thx14:12
gzhaisballe: seems no14:12
sballegzhai: ok I was just checking14:12
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sballeso gzhai thx for taking that over14:13
acabot#info the spec regarding efficacy indicator is in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266446/ but I need to add work items14:13
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seanmurphyi have a basic q which i think touches on this14:14
jwcroppeacabot: thanks, any other urgent specs to review?14:14
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seanmurphydo we assume that there can be multiple strategies which can achieve a specified goal then?14:15
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seanmurphyand the efficacy indicator is the way of arbitrating between them14:15
seanmurphy?14:15
acabotjwcroppe : no14:15
acabotseanmurphy : I think we should discuss that in specs14:15
jwcroppeI think we decided that we'd start with 1 strategy<-->1 goal to start with ?14:15
seanmurphyok14:15
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seanmurphythat seems more reasonable to me14:16
acabotjwcroppe: right14:16
acabot#info a lot of improvement on Watcher doc is ongoing with many reviews14:16
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acabotjwcroppe: I'd like to have your review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266461/14:16
acabotvmahe did a great job putting sequence diagrams in Watcher doc14:17
sballeI need to leave. Sorry about that14:17
acabotand I think its important for everyone who wants to understand how Watcher is working right now14:17
acabotsballe: ok14:17
gzhaisballe: bye14:18
acabot#action jwcroppe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266461/14:18
sballebye14:18
jwcroppeacabot: will do14:18
acabot#info dynamic loading of Actions handlers in the Watcher Applier feature is now available in Watcher14:19
jwcroppethat's excellent14:19
acabotbut there is still  a bit work to do14:19
acaboton contract and oslo14:19
jwcroppeacabot: in mid-cycle can we carve out an hour time slot (maybe one evening Mon/Tue) to see demo of some of these new feature?14:19
seanmurphyis there a list of known actions?14:19
acabotjwcroppe : yes I will add on hour of demo time on tuesday14:20
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jwcroppeok, great - we can make it maybe last topic in evening14:20
jed56You can take a look to the entry points14:20
jed56but we can update the documentation to list them14:20
jed56we have ( Migrate,Nop, Sleep, Change hypervisor State )14:21
seanmurphyjed56: perhaps i can discuss this offline with you - thanks14:21
jed56https://github.com/openstack/watcher/blob/master/setup.cfg#L4914:21
acabot#info vincentfrancoise has set up Tempest in Watcher14:21
jed56seanmurphy : yes of course14:22
acabotand he needs reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/tempest-basic-set-up14:22
acabotanyone want to review tempest ?14:22
tpeoplesyeah i will when i get time14:22
acabot#action tpeoples review Tempest set up https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/tempest-basic-set-up14:23
acabottpeoples: thx14:23
acabot#info tpeoples is working on external API versionning WIP14:23
tpeoplesyeah, hoping to get that done in the next 1-2 days14:24
tpeoplesi decided to follow what magnum is doing with their clients14:24
tpeoplesthink that will get us the flexibility we need14:24
acabottpeoples: it would be great to have it for mitaka-214:24
jwcroppetpeoples: can you put me on the review for that when you post it up?14:24
tpeoplesyep, will try :)14:24
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acabot#info watcher-client has been updated to reflect changes in Watcher14:25
jed56tpeoples : what are the clients you want to support ?14:25
jed56neutron, keystone, ... ?14:26
tpeoplesjed56: just going to do nova, ceilometer, glance, cinder for now14:26
tpeoplesbut it will be easy to add more14:26
tpeoples+keystone14:26
jed56okay cool14:26
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acabotthere is still on review open on watcher-client #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266473/14:26
acabotseanmurphy : do you want to share your work in progress now ?14:27
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seanmurphywe have not had much to update tbh14:27
gzhaitpeoples: means watcher-client can call nova/ceilometer's API?14:27
seanmurphywe said we would produce a spec for today14:27
seanmurphyon how to implement our load consolidation mechanism in watcher14:28
seanmurphywe will produce a draft of it later14:28
tpeoplesgzhai: implicitly yes, but you won't be able to do `watcher ceilometer-meter-list` or anything like that14:28
seanmurphyi sent a link of the draft gdoc to you so you can see14:28
acabotseanmurphy : seems great, thx for the update14:28
tpeoplesjust that there will be a standard way to fetch other project's clients from the watcher backend14:28
jed56seanmurphy : you can follow the doc ( https://github.com/openstack/watcher/blob/master/doc/source/dev/plugins.rst)14:28
seanmurphytbh it’s our first time writing such a spec14:28
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seanmurphyso we’re not sure if we’re hitting all the right notes14:29
gzhaitpeoples: got it.14:29
seanmurphyjed56: thanks - will do14:29
seanmurphythe process is that we git push to watcher-specs, right?14:29
acabotseanmurphy : no :-p14:30
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edleafetpeoples: is the watcher API stable enough yet to consider controlled versioning, like microversions?14:30
acabot#action seanmurphy look at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher/Contributing#Your_first_commit14:30
seanmurphyok - will do14:30
tpeoplesi would say not yet edleafe14:31
acabotseanmurphy : we will iterate on your spec through Gerrit14:31
seanmurphyok14:31
edleafetpeoples: ok, I didn't think so.14:31
acabotseanmurphy : please push it for reviews in watcher-specs/specs/mitaka/approved folder14:31
jwcroppeedleafe: IIRC, when we discussed that in Tokyo, we decided to get through the POCs and determine which APIs, etc. are really needed, which need to be updated, etc. and do some 'clean up' before we get to the full-blown microversions, etc. that folks will expect once 'big tent'14:32
seanmurphyright - and it should follow the format in https://github.com/openstack/watcher-specs/blob/master/specs/mitaka-template.rst14:32
acabotseanmurphy : yes14:32
edleafejwcroppe: that sounds sane14:32
acabot#topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion14:32
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acabotI'd like to have a quick bug list review for mitaka-2 as we still have 17 bugs opened14:33
acabot#link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/mitaka-214:33
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tkaczynskidtardivel: I added myself to watcher drivers, waiting for approval14:34
jwcroppeacabot: need to attend another meeting, will review any new action items you post for me... I will also review the spec later this afternoon referenced earlier14:34
dtardiveltkaczynski: done14:34
acabotwe need folks for #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1536191 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1525830 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/152351314:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1536191 in watcher "Bad place for checking goal existence when creating a new audit template" [Low,New]14:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1525830 in watcher " Refactored Watcher codebase to add py34 support" [Low,Confirmed]14:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1523513 in watcher "Add tests to primitive" [Medium,In progress]14:35
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acabotand https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/152163614:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1521636 in watcher "MessagingCore - reference to a self.client only defined in children" [Low,In progress]14:36
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acabottpeoples: you want to talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1510188 ?14:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1510188 in watcher "Creation of a watcher audit with an unknown audit template generates bad error" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Taylor Peoples (tpeoples)14:37
tpeoplesyeah, so the fix for this is a tad more complicated i think14:38
tpeoplesa user could use an audit template to create an audit, then update the audit template to use a totally other goal14:38
tpeoplesand the audit has no trail of that change14:38
tpeoplesso the history of the audit would make no sense14:38
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tpeopleslikewise, if someone deletes the audit template, the audit has no way to "know" what goal it had originally14:39
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vincentfrancoisetpeoples: It's kind of linked to #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1532843 then14:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1532843 in watcher "Can create Audit with invalid parameters" [Low,Confirmed]14:40
tpeoplesi propose that the audit template is simply a holder of the metadata for the audits, and when an audit is created it copies over that metadata so there is no hard link there14:40
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acabottpeoples: true but is it the problem targeted by this bug ?14:40
tpeoplesbut i think that is going to require a BP14:40
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acabottpeoples: right we need a BP & specs14:41
tpeoplesyes acabot, because if i fix it, it has implications for listing audits when doing the validation of the audit template14:41
jed56+114:41
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acabottpeoples : could you submit a BP wih your first assumption ?14:41
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tpeoplesyes. i will outline the problem in more words14:41
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tpeoplesbut long story short, i'm not going to get that bug done since i think we need a more complete solution14:42
acabot#action tpeoples submit a BP regarding audit template history management14:42
acabottpeoples : ok I will schedule it for mitaka-314:42
tpeoplessounds good acabot14:42
acabot#action acabot schedule https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1532843 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1510188 for mitaka-314:43
openstackLaunchpad bug 1532843 in watcher "Can create Audit with invalid parameters" [Low,Confirmed]14:43
openstackLaunchpad bug 1510188 in watcher "Creation of a watcher audit with an unknown audit template generates bad error" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Taylor Peoples (tpeoples)14:43
acabot#topic Open Discussion14:43
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dtardiveltpeoples: acabot not sure. bug is only bad return error14:43
dtardivelwhen we try to create an audit with a bad audit template name.14:44
acabotdtardivel: you want to fix it with the good error code ?14:44
tpeoplesthe fix for that would break the listing audits (if there are any audits with deleted audit templates)14:44
dtardivelI think we can try to return the correct error status in that case. and create a new BP about how to store data for history14:45
dtardivelacabot: yes14:45
dtardivelacabot: this is the scope of the bug14:45
tpeoplesdtardivel: let's discuss in irc after the meeting14:46
acabottpeoples: ok14:46
acabotcross-project liaison14:46
acabotI think it would be great to start having a cross project liaison for Watcher14:46
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acabotthe weekly meeting is at 9pm UTC14:47
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acabotI'm sure I will be able to atend at 10pm my time14:47
tpeoplesacabot: there was a note on the ML about this.  it looks like the PTL's were encourage to attend the meeting, but if you aren't interested / can't make the meeting then we should find someone else to do it14:47
acabotanyone would be interested in doing it ?14:47
tpeoplesjwcroppe or sballe may be interested in that role?14:48
acabotI suppose but none of them is here :-D14:48
acabot#action jwcroppe sballe would you be interested in being cross-project liaison for Watcher ?14:49
acabotthey will discover it ;-)14:49
tpeoples:P14:49
acabotslaweq: how is it going with watcher ?14:50
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tpeoplesacabot: what's it?14:51
acabotslaweq is one of our first Watcher user ;-)14:51
acabotbut I'm not sure he is still with us14:52
jed56(OVH)14:52
tpeopleswow i totally misread your last comment, too early :D14:52
acabotI just relealized I forgot to mention taskflow integration by jed5614:53
acabot#info taskflow integration is now in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264142/14:54
tpeoplesthanks for working on that jed5614:54
acabotas we plan to release mitaka-2 on friday EOD, we will need to merge a lot of code tomorrow14:55
acabotso please try to review most of the code before14:55
tpeoples+1 acabot, lots to do today14:56
acabotand set it to -1 if you dont want something to be merged in mitaka-214:56
acabot#info 21 reviews open waiting for mitaka-214:57
acabot#info mid-cycle agenda is available on #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_mitaka_mid-cycle_meetup_agenda#Agenda14:58
acaboteven if you dont plan to be there, please add subjects you would like to be discussed14:59
acabotits time to close the meeting14:59
acabotthank you14:59
acabotbye14:59
tpeoplestalk to you later14:59
tkaczynskibye14:59
vincentfrancoisebye14:59
jed56bye14:59
acabot#endmeeting14:59
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gzhaibye15:00
jasondotstarno vahana meeting today15:00
jasondotstarFYI.15:01
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sdake#startmeeting kolla16:30
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 20 16:30:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:30
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sdake#topic rollcall16:30
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Jeffrey4lo/16:30
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pbourkeo/16:30
sdake\o/ good morning/evening depending on your local :)16:30
sdakelocale that is16:30
inc0o/16:30
sdakeJeffrey4l thanks for making it at what I am sure i like 3am for you :)16:31
sdakei/is16:31
Jeffrey4lactually, it is 0:50 am now. Not too late. :P16:31
akwasnieo/16:31
jpeelerhi16:31
Jeffrey4l0:30 am16:31
sdakeahh thats not terrible16:31
elemoineo/16:31
sdakebut sstill not ideal16:31
Jeffrey4lright..16:32
sdakeand to our other apac attendees, we are going to fix the meeting times to fit an apac schedule half the time16:32
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inc0yeha we need APAC-friendly meeting16:32
britthouser0/16:32
sdake#topic announcement16:32
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sdake#undo16:32
Liuqinginc0:  agree16:32
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sdake#topic announcements16:32
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sdake1. there is a vote for meeting times for the APAC specific meeting for odd ISO weeks16:32
sdakeplease vote on all the hours you can attend16:33
sdakei will give preference to our apac + core members16:33
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sdakefor that meeting time16:33
SamYaplespliting the meeting between weeks like this still splits the team into two cores essentially, with a bit of overlap16:33
sdakethis mean emea wil probably get short end of stick for this meeting16:33
sdakei disagree, but we can discuss further on mailing list if you like SamYaple  - please respond to the thread16:34
inc0SamYaple, that's how it works, but AMR people can make sure to keep both teams in track16:34
sdake2. our midcycle is ready to rock - February 9th 10th, please schedule your flights now16:34
sdakebreakfast/lunch/dinner is provided the 9th, breakfast/lucnh provided the 10th16:34
elemoinethe time of the "emea" meeting won't change?16:34
sdakewe are concluding at 3:30 PM on the 10th for our wesst coast folks to catch a flight home wednesday16:35
sdakeelemoine yes the existing meeting will stay intact on even weeks16:35
sdakethat is emea/us timezone friendly16:35
elemoinesdake, ok16:35
sdakeplease RSVP for the midcycle - also note the facilities don't offer phone service, so it will be difficult to have remote participation16:36
sdakeI am going to put my cell lphone in the center o the room on speaker so folks can listen in, and connect it ot webex, but fwiw, it wont be very interactive16:36
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sdakeso really recommend getting budget to attend in person16:36
Liuqingcool16:36
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sdake3. .21st is our dealdine for mitaka 2, I am tagging in the afternoon tomorrow, so please wrap up any work you think is necessary for mitaka -216:37
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sdakealso please update the state of bugs/llaunchpad tracker blueprints to match existing work16:37
inc0sdake, can you borrow one of these fancy cisco conference microphones and hook it up to phone?;)16:37
sdake(21st is tomorrow, so I will be tagging in 24 hours)16:38
sdakeinc0 I don't work in an office, so I can't get that kind of gear ufnortunately16:38
sdakeare there any announcements from the community?16:38
sdakehere is the meeting agenda:16:39
sdake#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla16:39
sdake#topic mitaka-2 announcement16:39
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ajafo_o/16:39
sdakeI will be announcing after the tag16:39
sdakeso lets put all mitaka-1 and mitaka-2 changefs in the announcement please16:40
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sdakelets sort it by what went inn mitaka-1 vs what is going in mitaka-216:40
sdake#link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/announce-kolla-mitaka-216:40
sdaketimeboxed to maxx 15 minutes16:40
sdakeso 55 after we will move on16:40
sdake#link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/announce-kolla-mitaka-216:40
sdake#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/announce-kolla-mitaka-216:40
sdakeugh sorry :)16:40
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sdakecan i get some help writing thi folks :)16:45
sdakethe launchpad for mitaka-1 is completely accurate16:46
sdakemitaka-2 less so16:46
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nihiliferare we going to mention about drop-root stuff?16:50
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SamYaplenihilifer: through it up there16:53
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ajafo_should we mention about implementation some ubuntu binary containers?16:53
SamYapleajafo_: yea! throw it up there16:54
SamYaplegood progress on ubuntu-binary implementation16:54
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sdakeok i'm going to extend the timebox16:56
sdakelets give it 4 more minutes16:56
* sdake breaks all the rules :)16:56
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ajafo_and new containers? like mistral?16:59
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SamYapleajafo_: always17:00
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sdakeok i want to finish the job on this announcement17:01
sdakeannouncements are one of our most important items17:01
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sdakeso i'll extend time box 5 more minutes17:01
sdakeplease finish in that allotted itme, I am definately moving on at 5  after17:01
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sdakeplease dont remove color from etherpad17:03
sdakeit helps folks understand who contributed what17:03
sdake(to the etherpad session)17:03
SamYaplealright17:04
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SamYaplesdake: 10 minutes past the original time ;)17:05
sdakeya17:05
sdakewe are movign on17:05
sdakethanks folks17:05
ajafo_I've got some problems with colours see other write in other :)17:05
sdakethat took longer then I thought it owuld17:05
sdakessecond let me find agenda in my sea of windows17:06
sdakeif someone could fix up that prestage language on the timing so its not so awkward I'd apprecaiate it17:06
sdake#topic Upgrade Status17:06
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inc0ok17:06
sdakeinc0 and friends, mind giving an update on current status17:06
inc0so we got keystone merged \o/17:06
sdakeand tested17:07
inc0which means other projects are green to go and follow playbook structure of ks17:07
sdakein 3 node ha17:07
sdakeinc0 nova?17:07
inc0in review, need to address comments and so on17:07
inc0but that's on me17:07
nihiliferi unfortunately didn't made progress with neutron upgrade, but i'd try to do this this week17:07
nihiliferi'll*17:08
inc0so nihilifer will do neutron17:08
sdakenihilifer  march - need sto be done by march :)17:08
nihiliferok17:08
elemoinebtw, kudos on the upgrade work, it's a major thing!17:08
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inc0we still need cinder play and other services17:08
SamYaplewhere is the list of who is assigned what for upgrades?17:08
sdakesooner obviously better17:08
sdakeyes ugprade is super huge17:08
inc0most of them are really simple17:08
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sdakeok so i'll take na action to create the work items for the master upgrade task17:08
inc0SamYaple, we have bps per project17:08
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inc0if it's assigned, its assigned17:08
sdake#action sdake to make work items in upgrade-kolla blueprint17:08
sdakei'll do that after my meeting with inc017:09
inc0its already done;)(17:09
sdakethen i'll announce on ml that we are in need of contributors for that work17:09
sdakethe work iteems?17:09
SamYaplebps per project is a bit overkill, this is what work items are for17:09
sdakeare in upgrade-kolla?17:09
sdakecool17:09
inc0https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla?searchtext=upgrade17:09
sdakewe decided in this case to do separeate bps because the work may be signifciantly unique per service17:09
sdakeanyway whats done is done17:09
sdakewe are tracking everything in the master blueprint as well as individual blueprints17:10
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SamYaplefor some, yea. like nova and neutron, but as stated most will not17:10
SamYaplesomething to keep in mind for the future17:10
sdakeagree SamYaple17:10
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inc0so most of services, like heat for example will be super simple in terms of play17:10
sdakefwiw I wanted oen blueprint, but the project has a mind of its own :)17:10
sdake#topic heka status17:10
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inc0and generally follow keystone case17:10
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sdakeinc0 gotta move on, we aree itght on time, sorry :)17:10
akwasniethere is also a master bp that agregate the rest https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/upgrade-kolla17:11
sdakeinc0 but we will get this kicking on the mailing list today17:11
sdakeelemoine you have the floor17:11
elemoineon heka17:11
elemoineso, currently working on Heka for Kolla PoCs, to figure out if we'll still need Rsyslog17:11
elemoinefirst PoC I've been focusing on is "Use Heka to collect OpenStack logs".  This relies on the OpenStack services writing their logs to stderr.17:11
elemoinemy work is in <https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269745/>17:12
elemoineI have a couple observations already17:12
elemoineI had to make the OpenStack services write their logs to stderr instead of stdout. stdout is buffered somewhere and I cannot make it available to neither "docker logs" nor Heka17:12
sdakehmm17:13
elemoineI really don't know what's going on here17:13
SamYapleSo i reaised a question on this elemoine17:13
elemoineand I think Angus experienced the same issue in kolla-mesos17:13
SamYaplewhat of services that have multiple logs, how will logging work?17:13
SamYaplei dont think we can use stdout/err like you purpose17:13
elemoineyeah, we will need a way to know where the logs come from17:14
elemoineI need to think about this17:14
elemoinegood question SamYaple17:14
sdakeelemoine any progress on getting the spec into the repo?17:14
elemoineother observation:17:15
elemoineHeka cannot access the logs if the container is run with tty set to true.  It may be a bug in Heka or in an upstream module.  I don't know.17:15
elemoinesdake, I'll do that tomorrow17:15
sdakeelemoine  soundsgood17:15
elemoinehave been focusing on the PoC17:15
sdakethere is always tomorroow :)17:15
elemoinesdake, it's late here already :)17:16
sdakejust kidding around17:16
sdakeits an old idiom in the united states17:16
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elemoineso there's this tty problem17:16
sdakeso i think we need more of a rsyslo type action, where data comes from /dev/log instead of coming from stderr17:16
sdakethat way the logs can be sorted into their proper streams17:17
sdakeif we get this in a spec we can discuss it there17:17
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sdakeso we dont end up wasting your time on courses of developemnt which wont yeild a positve outcome ;)17:17
sdakeany other updates elemoine ?17:17
elemoineI still need to be sure we won't able to use stdout17:18
elemoinestderr I mean17:18
sdakewfm17:18
elemoinethat's all for me17:18
sdakeok i'm going to move on, since our agenda is tight on time and i want to give everyone equal time17:18
sdake#topic Kolla Python API17:18
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sdakenot sure who put htis on the agenda17:18
sdakebut whoever it was, you have the floor17:18
nihiliferi putted it17:18
nihiliferAngus registered a bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/kolla-python-api17:18
nihiliferto have a python api for kolla17:19
sdakecool i remember the irc conversation17:19
Liuqingnihilifer: will have another project for kolla python api?17:19
sdakeI am in favor of his ideas adn his thinking here17:19
nihiliferthe problem is that both kolla and kolla-mesos have to be configured via /etc files17:19
nihiliferor have some bash scripts17:19
nihiliferthat would make integrating kolla with anything (i.e. fuel) hard17:20
Jeffrey4lIs it the same like oracle's python-kollaclient?17:20
sdakeJeffrey4l no completely different topci  ithink17:20
nihiliferJeffrey4l: maybe similar17:20
sdakewell what do I know ;)17:20
nihiliferso, we would like to have a python library, to which we can push the whole configuration in some serializable format17:20
nihiliferinstead of editing files17:20
sdakeok well this is a big change17:21
nihiliferi'm welcome for propositions of technical implementation17:21
sdakeand need sto be discussed on the mailing list for wider community visiblity17:21
nihiliferAngus and me will of course make a ML and spec17:21
sdakespec may not be necessary17:21
sdakelets focus on the mailign list discussion first17:22
nihilifernow i just wanted you to be aware of this idea17:22
sdakeour typical process is to discuss the ideas in the blueprint17:22
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sdakemake sure to suggest that in the mailing list thread17:22
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nihilifersdake: ok17:22
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sdakeblueprint is where we sort of hash out hte design17:22
sdakeif it needs more detail, then we write a spec17:22
nihilifergot it17:23
sdakeespecially if its contentious or the community is not in compelte agreeement on course of action17:23
* elemoine confuses bp and specs I believe17:23
sdakenihilifer anything further?17:23
nihiliferon this topic, no17:23
nihiliferi think we can move on17:23
sdake#topic OpenStack configuration without kolla-ansible (as a container)17:23
sdake* Open Discussion17:23
SamYapleI have topic17:23
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sdake3 minutes on config without kolla ansible, then sam your up for 3 mins17:24
nihiliferwell, currenltly we're doing the most of config tasks17:24
sdakenihilifer di you add this agenda item?17:24
nihiliferlike creating tenants in openstack17:24
nihilifersdake: yes17:24
sdakefolks if you could add your name next to the agenda item, i'd super appreciate it in the future17:24
SamYaplei would like to add that kolla-ansible container only exists to containerize dependancies. its completely possible to be without kolla-ansible..... by pushing the deps to the hosts17:25
nihiliferok, so for now we're using ansible for creating tenats or any other entities in openstack17:25
sdakenihilifer we dont want a bunch of deps on the host17:25
sdakethat is why kolla-ansible exists17:25
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sdakeso keep that in mind when proposing whateveer change you have in mind :)17:26
nihiliferok. but we can create entities in openstack just by openstacclient, can't we?17:26
SamYaplenihilifer: that requries host deps17:26
sdakeopenstackclient installs a whole slew of host deps17:26
SamYaplebut yes17:26
sdakelike 30 or more17:26
inc0nihilifer, and openstackclient has a lot of deps17:26
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Liuqinghow about using openstacksdk?17:26
nihiliferwell, i thought about keeping them in container17:26
SamYaplethats koll-ansible :P17:26
SamYaplewe can rename it17:26
pbourkeha17:26
SamYaplekolla-toolbox17:26
inc0well, it uses shade17:26
sdakeoh is the objection the name?17:26
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sdakeor how its implemented?17:27
inc0but shade uses openstackclient17:27
sdakeSamYaple cn your topic overflow into #kolla after our meeting?17:27
SamYapleits rather important17:27
sdakeok nihilifer  - please start a ml thread17:27
SamYaplegates b0rked. need this patch merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270031/17:27
sdake#topic sam's topic17:27
nihiliferok17:27
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SamYaplegates b0rked. need this patch merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270031/17:27
SamYapleparent patch here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270070/117:28
SamYapleonce gate is fixed we need to address this new pip issue17:28
sdakeSamYaple i have meeting right now, but will review after it cinclude sif its not merged17:28
pbourkeSamYaple: we just need to wait till pip release a fix17:28
SamYaplethe patch above is a quick temp fix to get things building again17:28
pbourkeSamYaple: there's already one proposed17:28
pbourkeafaik17:28
SamYaplepbourke: ok good info to have17:28
SamYaplebut i thought this was a long time coming thing17:28
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SamYapleits been WARNING us ofr a while17:28
sdakepbourke  can you hunt down when the patch is going to be merged17:28
SamYapleso ill be suprised if this is "fixed"17:29
Jeffrey4lyep. Wait for a pip fix will take long.17:29
pbourkeJeffrey4l linked it on the bug I think17:29
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pbourkehttps://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/338917:29
sdake1 minute17:29
sdakeapologies for mismanaging the time for our meetingagenda17:29
SamYapleok i think we need to move back to channel17:29
Liuqingand we could bump to latest pip until the bug fixed in pip17:29
SamYaplei rasied the issue, everyone is aware now17:29
sdakebut releae annoouncements are the 3rd most important thing we do as a project :)17:29
sdakethanks sam17:29
sdakethanks for coming folks, we are out of time17:30
pbourkebye17:30
sdake#endmeeting17:30
Jeffrey4lbye17:30
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akwasniethanks17:30
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elemoinebye17:30
nihiliferbye17:30
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-01-20-16.30.txt17:30
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Liuqing:-)17:30
ajafo_bye17:30
dougwig#startmeeting networking_lib17:30
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 20 17:30:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:30
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:30
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib'17:30
dougwiganyone here this morning?17:30
SamYaplesorry for overage dougwig17:30
sdakesam i already apologied :)17:30
pc_mhi17:31
dougwigabsolutely no worries, sdake SamYaple .  :)17:31
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dougwigpc_m: looks like it's you and me.17:33
dougwigagenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Lib/Meetings17:33
dougwig#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Lib/Meetings17:33
pc_mmaybe a different time would be appropriate for the IRC?17:33
dougwignot a bad thought. i think we could go later than a typical meeting, given who is usually involved.17:34
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dougwig#topic Current Work Items17:34
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dougwigjust to highlight stuff that needs eyes...17:35
dougwigRPC routines and a 'legacy' section17:35
dougwighttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/267807/17:35
dougwignote that the above is about more than rpc. it introduces a section in the library for things we need to move, but aren't super fond of the interface.17:35
dougwigMoving base db gunk17:35
dougwighttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/267214/17:35
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HenryGI will post a new patch set on that today17:36
dougwigand this one is henry's, setting up how to do the base model stuff. he says it's getting opinionated, but that's probably a good thing.17:36
HenryGI tried to get rid of common_db_mixin, but that did not go well17:36
dougwigkill it with fire.17:36
HenryGunfortunately it is used in aweful ways :(17:37
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dougwigcan we get rid of it, or are we stuck with mixins?17:37
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HenryGnot sure yet17:38
dougwiganything you want to chat about, or should we wait for the next patchset?17:39
HenryGWe can discuss in next patchset17:39
dougwigok17:39
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dougwig#topic Open Discussion17:40
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dougwigpc_m: let's talk about neutron tests first?17:40
pc_mok17:40
pc_mMy latest change fixed the API test.17:41
dougwigfor the hook, i noticed that you might also be able to use LIBS_FROM_GIT instead of doing the git clone17:41
pc_mDid not fix the LB test (but I didn't check why it failed).17:41
dougwigand for the non hook tests, i think we have several *very similar* jobs in the experimental queue that are actually controlled by hooks now, so we could cover that base there.17:41
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pc_mThere are 4 tests, IIRC.17:42
dougwigpc_m: lb test will likely have to be done here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242220/17:42
dougwigwhich ones?17:42
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* pc_m looking up17:43
dougwigunless by lb you meant linuxbridge. it's hookless, so it'll just have to fail.17:43
pc_mgate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full17:43
pc_mgate-grenade-dsvm-neutron17:43
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pc_mgate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr17:44
pc_mgate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-lib-linuxbridge17:44
pc_mThe LB one is gate-neutron-lbaasv2-dsvm-minimal17:44
pc_mit has a gate hook, but failed. May be an unrelated failure.17:45
dougwig, so -dvr and -linuxbridge are the same as -full, but with dvr and LB.  i think we can ignore those two.  -plus in the experimental queue is -full with a few extra things turned on, so it can provide coverage there.17:45
pc_mI recall, before I went on PTO, some failure with that test.17:45
dougwigsince these are just pre-release sanity checks.17:45
pc_mSo do we want to make them non-voting (the two)?17:46
dougwigno, because it's only in that one review where they fail.  hmm, so this is about how to test that changes to neutron work against lib changes, before those changes are released.  maybe we can flip this around and make a neutron-lib change that is dependent on the neutron fixes, once this merges: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268240/17:47
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dougwigif api and unit are passing, that's actually a pretty good sanity screen, too.17:49
pc_mdougwig: not quite sure I'm following.17:50
dougwigi think maybe we just update the process for making changes to note which tests you should expect to pass/fail ?17:50
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* pc_m sorry - I'm still in PTO mode17:51
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pc_mHow does 268240 help?17:52
dougwigpc_m: we're talking about item 4 in 'submission procedures' on this page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/Lib . We don't need infra changes for that, just enough info from existing tests to know if neutron related lib changes are correct, before the lib changes ship (because it's easier to do them at the same time.) for that, we don't need a perfect17:52
dougwigpass rate.  right?17:52
dougwigpc_m: no worries, let's chat offline.17:52
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pc_mdougwig: OK. Would like to clearly understand the procedure for migrating.17:53
dougwigok17:53
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dougwiganything else to chat about today?17:53
pc_mUnfortuantely, I don't right now.17:53
pc_mDo you want to move neutron-lib to using constraints based jobs?17:53
pc_mI did this for VPN. Can do it for neutron-lib, if desired.17:54
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dougwigyes, but there is a change to how that's done as of yesterday's TC meeting.17:54
dougwigno more -constraints jobs. just constrain the normal jobs.17:54
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pc_mok. Any pointers to outcome of that meeting/changes?\17:54
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* pc_m wondering how it affects the VPN changes done/17:55
dougwigmeeting minutes are likely the only thing so far. they'll have a link to the resolution that was passed.17:55
pc_mwill look at them.17:56
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dougwigok, anything else, or we get a half hour back ?17:57
pc_mnope17:57
HenryGnope17:57
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