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| gsagie | Hello everyone, who is here for the Dragonflow weekly meeting? | 08:58 |
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| Shlomo_N | me :) | 08:58 |
| gampel | info:gampel | 08:59 |
| gsagie | #startmeeting dragonflow | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 25 09:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gsagie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow' | 09:00 |
| yuli_s | Hello ! | 09:00 |
| gsagie | #info gampel, Shlomo_N, yuli_s, oanson, gsagie in meeting | 09:00 |
| gsagie | Even that oanson is not talking ;) | 09:01 |
| gsagie | #topic security groups | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "security groups (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:01 | |
| dingboopt | o/ | 09:01 |
| gsagie | hi dingboopt | 09:01 |
| dingboopt | hi | 09:01 |
| gsagie | #info dingboopt in meeting as well :) | 09:01 |
| dingboopt | I have some discussion with beijing guy | 09:02 |
| gsagie | dingboopt: I havent seen Raofei works on security groups ? | 09:02 |
| dingboopt | and we improve the flow design | 09:02 |
| gampel | dingboopt: just reviewed your patch take a look | 09:02 |
| gsagie | he is listed to work on this and DNAT.. | 09:02 |
| gsagie | dingboopt: you mean the design with the conjunction? | 09:02 |
| dingboopt | yes | 09:02 |
| dingboopt | some improvements | 09:03 |
| gsagie | dingboopt: can you please post a document describing the new design? | 09:03 |
| dingboopt | and reach agreents | 09:03 |
| dingboopt | not a new desing | 09:03 |
| dingboopt | design | 09:03 |
| gsagie | dingboopt: yes, just we need something that cover and has all the details about it | 09:03 |
| dingboopt | ok, we will send you all a letter describing the final desing | 09:03 |
| dingboopt | desgin | 09:04 |
| dingboopt | I will | 09:04 |
| gsagie | dingboopt: its better to just upload it to the specs in Dragonflow and we can iterate it in the review board | 09:04 |
| gsagie | its much easier to comment | 09:04 |
| gsagie | Is that ok? | 09:04 |
| dingboopt | ok | 09:04 |
| dingboopt | ye | 09:04 |
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| gsagie | #action dingboopt update design for security groups with improvments and conjunction | 09:04 |
| gsagie | dingboopt: you in contact with the guy with beijing, is he going to work on it as well? (contributing code) | 09:05 |
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| gampel | duankebo will join in a minute | 09:05 |
| gsagie | Hello DuanKebo :) | 09:05 |
| dingboopt | he is now get familiar with the code | 09:05 |
| gsagie | #info DuanKebo in meeting as well :) | 09:05 |
| raofei | yes, we discuss the security group solution together with Beijing team. | 09:05 |
| gsagie | raofei: are you going to help them implement this? | 09:06 |
| DuanKebo | Hi Gal! | 09:06 |
| raofei | this week, maybe tomorrow, we will commit the spec to review. sure, I will join the implemention. | 09:06 |
| gsagie | okie great, so first step lets see the spec and agree, we will review it quickly and dingboopt already working on the plugin side | 09:07 |
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| gsagie | What is the guy name from beijing that works on it? | 09:07 |
| dingboopt | yuanwei | 09:07 |
| gsagie | yuanwei right? | 09:07 |
| gsagie | okie | 09:07 |
| gsagie | #action dingboopt, raofei, yuanwei to start splitting work on security groups after spec is merged | 09:08 |
| gsagie | Okie, you will need to split the work between you three, dingboopt, raofei keep in mind you guys also listed as working on port security and DNAT | 09:08 |
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| gsagie | okie, anything else on security groups? | 09:08 |
| gsagie | hi kexiaodong :) | 09:08 |
| gsagie | #info kexiaodong in meeting | 09:09 |
| gampel | we need to update the DNAT spec to refract the changes | 09:09 |
| gsagie | gampel: yes i will do it but its very similar, lets talk about it when we reach that topic soon | 09:09 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: anything from your team regarding security groups? or things seems to be ok? | 09:10 |
| gampel | ok | 09:10 |
| raofei | no more, what we need to do is commit the spec patch ASAP for review | 09:10 |
| DuanKebo | Yuanwei is working together with Raofei and Dingbo | 09:10 |
| DuanKebo | Everything is OK | 09:10 |
| gsagie | okie, we will review it fast for you so you can start working on it | 09:11 |
| gsagie | #topic port security | 09:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "port security (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:11 | |
| gsagie | dingboopt: i need to update the patch with your comments which were good, anything else we need here? | 09:11 |
| dingboopt | no | 09:11 |
| gsagie | okie | 09:11 |
| gsagie | #action gsagie update port security spec with latest comments | 09:12 |
| gsagie | dinboopt: will need to work on this as well in addition to security groups, i will put everything we talked about in the spec ASAP | 09:12 |
| dingboopt | ok | 09:12 |
| gsagie | #action dingboopt implement port security spec once merged | 09:12 |
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| gsagie | #topic DB consistency | 09:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DB consistency (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:12 | |
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| gsagie | ok, nick-ma isnt here | 09:13 |
| gsagie | Hujie from DuanKebo team is working on this as well | 09:13 |
| DuanKebo | Hujie is working on this feature | 09:13 |
| gsagie | From the feedback i received, its possible to serialize write transactions to get consistency and most performance issues with SQL clusters (Galera) are for the reads (as Horizon/Nova) perform alot of reading from neutron | 09:14 |
| DuanKebo | He will submit a spec for review this week | 09:15 |
| gsagie | so implementing the distributed lock with a special table record | 09:15 |
| gampel | gsagie: so does Galera support looked write ? | 09:15 |
| gsagie | gampel: yes, there is a different behaivor as the transaction is terminated | 09:16 |
| DuanKebo | Hujie and me are not familiar with you solution about the distribution lock. | 09:16 |
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| gsagie | but we can still have serialized transactions, i talked with kevinbenton about it, they used a similar solution for Big Switch, he said they didnt notice problems on the writes at all in large setups | 09:17 |
| DuanKebo | Will you please give us some more detailed info. | 09:17 |
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| gsagie | DuanKebo: the idea in general was to keep a "transaction id" in a special table in Neutron, have the same id in Dragonflow DB and lock our transactions on it, then if these id's differs at some point we do full sync | 09:18 |
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| gampel | gsagie: so we serialized write transactions into a global lock and do write to the Cluster only from there ? | 09:18 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: this means we basically serialize all our write transactions, but from the feedback i recieved thats not a big problem | 09:18 |
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| gsagie | gampel: basically yes, most of the problems from the feedback i recieved are for reads, and usualy dont for HA as well (the Galera cluster) | 09:19 |
| gsagie | I think that maybe we can keep this as first solution, as its not that hard to implement and improve if we find problems | 09:19 |
| DuanKebo | The writer action from df local controllers will also be serialized? | 09:19 |
| gsagie | But we can also view Hujie spec once he upload it | 09:20 |
| gampel | gsagie: Sound good | 09:20 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: no, but the local controllers only register the compute nodes and the port status | 09:20 |
| DuanKebo | Will this introduce performance decrease? | 09:20 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: the publish/subscribe part, gampel will talk in a second | 09:20 |
| gsagie | i am only talking about the Neutron Db - Dragonflow DB consistency | 09:21 |
| DuanKebo | Ok | 09:21 |
| gsagie | I will email both you and Hujie detail information about it | 09:21 |
| gsagie | But he can submit his spec and we can review it anyway and decide the best solution | 09:21 |
| gsagie | #action gsagie write email with the detailed transaction id solution for DB consistency | 09:21 |
| gsagie | #action Hujie upload spec for DB consistency | 09:22 |
| gsagie | Lets talk about the publish-subscribe part soon, but thats another different problem we need to sovle | 09:22 |
| gampel | gsagie: lets try to get nick-ma feedback as well on this | 09:22 |
| DuanKebo | His spec is abut consistency about dragonflow db and local cache | 09:22 |
| gsagie | gampel: of course.. :) | 09:22 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: ok good, so different topics :) | 09:22 |
| dingboopt | Add me please :) | 09:22 |
| dingboopt | 09:23 | |
| gsagie | #action gsagie add dinboopt/nick-ma to the conversation of course | 09:23 |
| gsagie | dinboopt: sure, will send it to everyone | 09:23 |
| gsagie | anything else on this topic ? | 09:23 |
| gsagie | #topic publish-subscribe abstraction | 09:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "publish-subscribe abstraction (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:24 | |
| gsagie | gampel: would you like to update on this? | 09:24 |
| gampel | OK I will update the spec today or tomorrow | 09:24 |
| gsagie | i mean update here the status :) | 09:25 |
| gampel | There is all ready a working version with ZMQ | 09:25 |
| gampel | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263322/ | 09:25 |
| gsagie | #info working pub-sub with zeromq https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263322/ | 09:25 |
| gampel | I will add the Pluggability today | 09:25 |
| gsagie | gampel: any update on the topics registration? is it happening on server side or client side? | 09:25 |
| gampel | the last topic that is not in the spec yet is the reliability | 09:26 |
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| gampel | No yet please add it to my action items | 09:26 |
| gsagie | #action gampel verify if zeromq filters topics on server side or client side | 09:26 |
| gampel | The reliability we want to cover | 09:27 |
| gsagie | gampel: you want to update the spec or i should do it? | 09:27 |
| gampel | I will do that add it to my action items | 09:27 |
| gsagie | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263733/ pub-sub spec | 09:27 |
| gsagie | #action gampel update pub-sub spec and add reliability ideas | 09:27 |
| gsagie | I think we can iterate on your patch and on Hujie spec for that and find the best solution, if both you and DuanKebo agree | 09:28 |
| gsagie | lets review it there and discuss | 09:28 |
| gsagie | #topic Redis DB driver | 09:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Redis DB driver (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:29 | |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: any update on this? | 09:29 |
| gsagie | feipeng is going to work on it right? | 09:29 |
| DuanKebo | Feipeng has a draft spec | 09:29 |
| DuanKebo | He is update it according our advice. | 09:30 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: for the pub-sub reliability is there anything you would like to ask/discuss now? or we should do it over the review? | 09:30 |
| DuanKebo | He will submit it for you review this week too. | 09:30 |
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| gsagie | #action feipeng upload spec and start work on redis driver integration with dragonflow | 09:31 |
| gsagie | ok great, we heard some good things about Redis, so maybe its going to be a good solution for us | 09:31 |
| gsagie | not sure about the publish/subscribe part there | 09:31 |
| gampel | DuanKebo: I hope today to have an example how to plug pub/sub submitted | 09:31 |
| gampel | today | 09:31 |
| gsagie | #topic testing | 09:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "testing (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:32 | |
| gsagie | okie, dingboopt any update on the HW in Hangzhou? | 09:32 |
| gsagie | about the lab | 09:32 |
| dingboopt | i havn't contact huangkun yet | 09:33 |
| dingboopt | he is in charge of the servers | 09:33 |
| gsagie | dingboopt: ok, please update us for next meeting because i think we all need to know | 09:33 |
| dingboopt | I will contact him later | 09:33 |
| dingboopt | ok | 09:33 |
| gsagie | #action dingboopt update for next meeting regarding lab in Hangzhou | 09:33 |
| gsagie | Shlomo_N: has anything to update on your scale testing work? | 09:34 |
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| Shlomo_N | I have finished the bandwidth performance tests with DF+Etcd on 4 different scenarios | 09:34 |
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| dingboopt | I just ask hungkun about the server. They will arrive after chinese spring festival | 09:35 |
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| gsagie | dingboopt: ok thanks for the update | 09:35 |
| gampel | Shlomo_N: can you please share the scenarios | 09:35 |
| gsagie | Shlomo_N: can you work on some document describing these | 09:35 |
| gsagie | and maybe send the plan for review | 09:35 |
| gampel | Shlomo_N: i agree we need a performance testing spec | 09:36 |
| gsagie | I think we will want to perform dataplane performance tests for 1 hosts on a regular basis, maybe even as a CI | 09:36 |
| Shlomo_N | Sure. I am still working on the testing spec. | 09:37 |
| gsagie | #action Shlomo_N write spec about performance test scenarios and plan | 09:37 |
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| gsagie | DuanKebo: do you guys are also planning to do some testing in Beijing? | 09:37 |
| DuanKebo | Yes | 09:37 |
| DuanKebo | He is now evaluating gmdb. | 09:38 |
| DuanKebo | Can work on performance test later. | 09:38 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: even regardless of the DB, i am talking about L3 tests with iperf or something like that, can you maybe share your scenarios/plan if you have any document | 09:38 |
| gsagie | with Shlomo_N | 09:38 |
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| gsagie | anyone he can contact for more details? | 09:38 |
| gampel | Yuli: did you see my comment on the fullstack flow testing ? | 09:39 |
| DuanKebo | No, he only do some control plane test | 09:39 |
| DuanKebo | mostly for db r/w and sub/pub performance. | 09:40 |
| yuli_s | gampel: yes | 09:40 |
| gsagie | yuli_s: anything to share regarding fullstack tests? | 09:40 |
| yuli_s | i need to review the comments | 09:41 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: okie, we would also like to have some setup to do these tests here if possible so we would love any document you have on how you conduct these tests | 09:41 |
| yuli_s | and send a new version | 09:41 |
| gampel | i think that the flow test should follow the application logic so when we update the app it will be very easy to update the test | 09:41 |
| yuli_s | of the test patch | 09:41 |
| gsagie | Because we also need to be able to work and fix things while testing :) | 09:41 |
| yuli_s | https://review.openstack.org/265642/ | 09:41 |
| gsagie | yes i agree with gampel, doing the diff is a bit problematic | 09:42 |
| DuanKebo | OK, Zhu weiqiong will supply the doc about how these test are done. | 09:42 |
| gampel | the flow test should follow the application pipeline so the test will be clear | 09:42 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: thanks! that will be great for us | 09:42 |
| gampel | yuli_s: do you understand what i mean ? | 09:42 |
| gsagie | #action Zhu weiqiong send documents regarding control plane testing plan and scenarios for DB and for pub/sub | 09:42 |
| yuli_s | gampel: yes, the test code is a bit messy | 09:43 |
| gampel | yuli_s: let take the use case of l2_app we will have VLAN app and Tunnel app | 09:43 |
| gampel | we want to test the pipeline for the application L2 L3 DHCP | 09:44 |
| yuli_s | the dhcp part is preaty covered. we have test for dhcp enable and disbaled | 09:45 |
| gampel | the pipeline will change and we want it to be easy for a developer to update the pipeline in the test | 09:45 |
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| yuli_s | and we have tests to change dhcp status to enable / disable | 09:45 |
| gsagie | gampel, yuli_s: lets discuss it in the #openstack-dragonflow, we are running out of time :) | 09:45 |
| gampel | Ok | 09:45 |
| yuli_s | and the system works ok | 09:46 |
| gsagie | #action gampel, yuli_s work on improving the current OVS flows tests | 09:46 |
| yuli_s | great ! | 09:46 |
| gsagie | #topic selective proactive | 09:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "selective proactive (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:46 | |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: you are listed as working on it with me and Omer Anson (new employee that joined us) | 09:47 |
| gsagie | Would you like to write the spec? or i can do it as well | 09:47 |
| yuli_s | gsagie: u talk about L2 or L3 ? | 09:47 |
| DuanKebo | I can do it | 09:47 |
| gsagie | #action DuanKebo write spec about selective proactive | 09:47 |
| gsagie | okie, we can iterate on it | 09:47 |
| gsagie | Omer is right now doing some work at simplifying our applications so we have more control | 09:48 |
| DuanKebo | based on tenant at the first stage? | 09:48 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: i think so, what the rest think? | 09:48 |
| yuli_s | gsagie: selective proactive L2 or L3 ? | 09:48 |
| gampel | yes i agree | 09:48 |
| gsagie | yuli_s: its not related to L2 or L3, its about how we sync the DB with the local controller | 09:48 |
| DuanKebo | I agree. But i also think it's not enough | 09:49 |
| yuli_s | ok | 09:49 |
| gsagie | You will see in the spec that DuanKebo will upload | 09:49 |
| DuanKebo | let's us just start from tenant grained selective proactive. | 09:49 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: ok, if you want you can also upload to the repository other ideas you had and we can start iterating on them in parallel | 09:49 |
| gampel | DuanKebo: very reasonable why to start | 09:50 |
| gsagie | keep in mind we also need to cover cases of deletion | 09:50 |
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| DuanKebo | Yes. | 09:50 |
| gsagie | okie, so we can continue iterating on the spec | 09:50 |
| gampel | we have resources that are cross tenant | 09:50 |
| gsagie | btw DuanKebo, your team is familiar with how to upload and work with OpenStack Gerrit and the review board? | 09:51 |
| gampel | like shared networks define by admin we need to make sure we cover them as well | 09:51 |
| DuanKebo | gampel, I can discuss with you after the meeting. | 09:51 |
| gampel | Ok | 09:51 |
| gsagie | #topic distributed DNAT | 09:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "distributed DNAT (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:51 | |
| gsagie | sorry for moving fast but we have 2 more topics and no time, lets continue to iterate on the spec that DuanKebo will upload | 09:52 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: i think its big task so i will also work on this with you | 09:52 |
| gsagie | we need to also work on the DB parts for this and on the pub/sub parts for this | 09:52 |
| DuanKebo | Hi Gal, I will deal with the uploading and review processing | 09:52 |
| gsagie | Raofei: you are listed as working on the distributed DNAT, is the spec clear? | 09:53 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: great :) | 09:53 |
| DuanKebo | Great Gal, definitely I need your help! | 09:53 |
| gsagie | Raofei: i will update it with the latests changes, but just need to make sure everything is understandable | 09:53 |
| gsagie | there is one thing there that needs special care | 09:53 |
| raofei | Yes, I have read your spec of DNAT. | 09:54 |
| gampel | Just Please try to review all the dragonflow status open | 09:54 |
| gsagie | and thats updating the GW MAC address in the flows | 09:54 |
| gsagie | raofei: ok, please send any questions you might have, you have time to work on it? | 09:54 |
| gsagie | its an important task for the overall picture | 09:55 |
| gsagie | #action raofei working on distributed dnat implementation | 09:55 |
| raofei | yes, I think so. we need change the both dst ip and mac address to simulate gw sending. | 09:55 |
| gsagie | raofei: yes, the problem is that the GW MAC of the external network can change and we might need to update flows | 09:56 |
| gsagie | #topic controller reliability | 09:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "controller reliability (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:56 | |
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| gsagie | heshan is working on this right? | 09:56 |
| DuanKebo | Yes | 09:56 |
| gsagie | #action heshan upload spec regarding controller reliability | 09:57 |
| DuanKebo | Most part of the spec has been completed. | 09:57 |
| DuanKebo | Soon you can review it | 09:57 |
| gsagie | okie great work! thanks | 09:57 |
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| gsagie | #topic open discussion / bugs | 09:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion / bugs (Meeting topic: dragonflow)" | 09:57 | |
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| gampel | we need to get more reviews from all the group Please try to review all the dragonflow status open even if you are not listed | 09:57 |
| gsagie | #action everyone to review Dragonflow patches | 09:57 |
| DuanKebo | But our guys are not good at english, we net to refine the expression | 09:58 |
| gsagie | DuanKebo: its important everyone review the repository as we need everyone to be updated with all the code changes | 09:58 |
| gsagie | so they keep track of things happening | 09:58 |
| gsagie | But its understandable, dont worry about the english, we all understand | 09:58 |
| gampel | It is very impotent to get the feedback don't worry about the english | 09:59 |
| DuanKebo | OK | 09:59 |
| gsagie | thanks for joining everyone! | 09:59 |
| gsagie | if anyone has anything to add, please do | 09:59 |
| gsagie | and Welcome to Omer :) | 09:59 |
| DuanKebo | bye! | 09:59 |
| yuli_s | we havent covered bugs | 09:59 |
| gampel | welcome | 09:59 |
| Shlomo_N | welcome Omer | 09:59 |
| oanson | Thanks! | 09:59 |
| gsagie | yuli_s: this is a joint topic, any update? | 09:59 |
| gsagie | just dont have time :( | 10:00 |
| yuli_s | i closed some duplicate bugs today | 10:00 |
| gsagie | yuli_s: cool, good work, anything important is open ? | 10:00 |
| yuli_s | yes | 10:00 |
| gsagie | we can put it as an action item | 10:00 |
| yuli_s | cloud-init | 10:00 |
| yuli_s | i want to work on it | 10:00 |
| gsagie | yuli_s: good point | 10:00 |
| gsagie | #action yuli_s working on cloud-init support for dragonflow | 10:01 |
| gsagie | yuli_s: no problem | 10:01 |
| yuli_s | ok, great | 10:01 |
| gsagie | There is a bug opened right? | 10:01 |
| yuli_s | yes, I opened it | 10:01 |
| gsagie | okie, we are out of time, lets continue this in #openstack-dragonflow, thanks and good night for all our friends from China and talk to you later | 10:01 |
| gsagie | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 25 10:01:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-01-25-09.00.html | 10:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-01-25-09.00.txt | 10:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/dragonflow/2016/dragonflow.2016-01-25-09.00.log.html | 10:02 |
| yuli_s | good night | 10:02 |
| gsagie | yuli_s: ok please assign it to you :) | 10:02 |
| gampel | Yuli lets work on this together i have an idea to do it in app and not in the meta data service | 10:02 |
| yuli_s | xin nian kuai le ! | 10:02 |
| yuli_s | gampel: ok, great ! | 10:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, time for Ironic-neutron meeting | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting ironic_neutron | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 25 16:01:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron' | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Good morning folks | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_January_25.2C_2016 | 16:02 |
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| jroll | morning | 16:02 |
| vsaienko | morning | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | I kept the same agenda as last week - as we ran out time last week | 16:03 |
| sambetts | o/ | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:03 |
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| davidlenwell | o/ | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has anything they would like to share with the team before we get started? | 16:03 |
| jroll | so before we dive in, just making a note that I've updated the last nova patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206163 | 16:03 |
| jroll | we may need to apply for FFE on that, I need to bug john about it | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll : cool thanks | 16:04 |
| jroll | np | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : timing is great - I am in the middle of updating my test setup - will upload it and test it | 16:05 |
| jroll | cool | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | Any other announcement? | 16:05 |
| jroll | here's the weird part; | 16:05 |
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| jroll | that's going to depend on an ironicclient release | 16:05 |
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| devananda | o/ | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | oh - any specific version? | 16:06 |
| jroll | so landing it might get weird, because that code is still way down the road | 16:06 |
| jroll | also will depend on the api changes landing | 16:06 |
| jroll | the version that's released with the portgroup code... | 16:06 |
| devananda | ugh, right. and the API changes in ironic do not look right to me yet | 16:06 |
| devananda | that's something i wanted to talk about today | 16:06 |
| jroll | so we need to review all the things asap | 16:06 |
| jroll | cool | 16:06 |
| jroll | just wanted to point that out, we can move on :) | 16:06 |
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| vsaienko | I also have a question about portgroup and port UUIDs | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : I will ping you off-line if I need help in getting this tested | 16:07 |
| jroll | ok | 16:07 |
| vsaienko | As Ruby mentioned https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206245/ we could have a problem | 16:07 |
| vsaienko | because we do not guarantee that portgroup/port uuids are unique | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | vsaienko: I wanted to cover that as well - thanks for brining it up | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | vsaienko : I was not very clear about the comment - and was bit confused | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | vsaienko: if you understand the issue, can you elaborate? | 16:09 |
| jroll | I don't see a reason not to change the return format, fwiw | 16:10 |
| jroll | and I think that's the clearest path forward | 16:10 |
| vsaienko | jroll, but how we should identify it is a neutron port for port or portgroup in case portgroup.uuid == port.uuid | 16:10 |
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| jroll | vsaienko: sure, return {portgroups: {uuid: vif_id}, ports: {uuid: vif_id}} | 16:11 |
| devananda | jroll: changing the return format => affecting drivers | 16:11 |
| jroll | devananda: no | 16:12 |
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| jroll | this is used in ironic.dhcp.neutron | 16:12 |
| devananda | oh, cool | 16:12 |
| devananda | you're right | 16:12 |
| jroll | we *may* affect out of tree dhcp things, but we don't guarantee the ironic.common.network interface | 16:12 |
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| jroll | I'm inclined to not worry too much | 16:12 |
| devananda | yah, i'm fine with that. I was thinking of a different call | 16:12 |
| jroll | mhm | 16:12 |
| devananda | and typed before grepping to confirm ... | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | make sense | 16:14 |
| jroll | I replied on the diff and changed my vote | 16:14 |
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| vsaienko | jroll, I will change return format there. | 16:15 |
| jroll | cool | 16:15 |
| jroll | thanks | 16:15 |
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| vsaienko | jroll, what about vifs in update_dhcp_opts () https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/06d39ed5ca398540b587d41a16d1572cb085727f/ironic/dhcp/neutron.py#L144 | 16:16 |
| vsaienko | should we use the same format {portgroups: {uuid: vif_id}, ports: {uuid: vif_id}} for it? | 16:16 |
| jroll | vsaienko: those come from the method we're talking about... | 16:18 |
| jroll | https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/06d39ed5ca398540b587d41a16d1572cb085727f/ironic/dhcp/neutron.py#L165 | 16:18 |
| jroll | so yes it will affect that method | 16:18 |
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| devananda | k | 16:19 |
| devananda | (wrong window) | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | :-) | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | Do we need to discuss any further on this? or shall we move on to API issue that devananda brought up earlier | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | I will take silence as - lets move on :-) | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | devananda : what did you want discuss about API changes? | 16:22 |
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| devananda | Sukhdev: the API changes and new REST resources, eg /portgroups/ -- they aren't being encapsulated for backwards compat | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda : I thought portgroups did not exist before (not expert on the ironic side of this) | 16:24 |
| devananda | correct | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | so, no bacward compat issue :) | 16:24 |
| devananda | and after this change lands, if an old client invokes GET /v1/NNNN/portgroups/ | 16:24 |
| devananda | it should not see it | 16:24 |
| jroll | right, so we need to 404 on old api versions, yes? | 16:25 |
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| devananda | jroll: I think so | 16:25 |
| jroll | is there a larger problem here or does the patch just need extra work? | 16:25 |
| devananda | jroll: I don't offhand know how to do that in wsme - it may be easy. or not. | 16:26 |
| devananda | because it's part of hte root controller | 16:26 |
| jroll | ooo. fun. | 16:26 |
| devananda | we haven't added any new root objects before :) | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | wait a minute - the old client won't know about portgroups - why would it invoke? | 16:26 |
| jroll | there's probably a hack we can do | 16:26 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: not old ironicclient versions, rather api clients talking to older versions | 16:26 |
| jroll | devananda: worst case, in the controller, we could raise some 404 error if api version isn't high enough | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | oh I see | 16:27 |
| devananda | jroll: hm. that might work | 16:27 |
| devananda | that was it for me. sounds like jroll and I have a little experiment to run | 16:28 |
| devananda | and then we'll leave feedback on the API patch | 16:29 |
| jroll | +1 | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | sounds good | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else on the patches? | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | I noticed updated version of the patches got pushed - | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | I will be uploading them all today - timing is just perfect | 16:30 |
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| jroll | uploading theM? | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | will test them all out and post the issue, if I see | 16:30 |
| jroll | ah ok | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | Anything more to discuss on the patches? | 16:31 |
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| jroll | I have nothing | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | Moving on to the next topic - we ran out time last time | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Ironic Inspector and format of switch-id | 16:32 |
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| jroll | sambetts: you here? | 16:33 |
| sambetts | yup | 16:33 |
| jroll | ah cool | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : we could not finish the discussion last time | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | so, the idea behind using switch-id format as mac was | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | that the mac address is tied to the chassis and will not change - but, any other identifier can change - e.g. IP, hostID, etc | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | yhvh- : are you here as well? | 16:34 |
| yhvh- | yup | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | good | 16:34 |
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| jroll | so while I do understand that, I don't think mac address is a useful identifier as it's difficult to find a switch in a datacenter by mac address, whether you are a human or a computer | 16:35 |
| sambetts | I see that, but in ML2 our driver identifies switches by mgnt ip | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : if you see - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-ironic-network-isolation | 16:35 |
| sambetts | so forcing it to mac address will mean our ml2 driver will simply have to ignore that field | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | lines 14 - we discussed that during the summit | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : one does not have to use all three fields - | 16:36 |
| sambetts | it would be nice not to ignore a top level field though, because other wise we might as well remove switch_id and have switch info only | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | those three fields are for vendors - as long as the vendor is producer and consumer - there is no issue ( | 16:37 |
| jroll | sambetts++ | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | sambetts : switch-info is for vendor to pack anything they want - IP, model number, etc... | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | for example : you may have 3K and 9K chassis - you can use switch-info to identify | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | so that you can use appropriate ML2 driver (if you have different for 3k and 9k) | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | to provision the HW | 16:39 |
| sambetts | but why can't I use switch_id to identify... I don't see a reason to restrict it | 16:39 |
| jroll | I don't think mac address is a useful identifier as it's difficult to find a switch in a datacenter by mac address, whether you are a human or a computer | 16:39 |
| * jroll repeats himself | 16:39 | |
| Sukhdev | I thought about it a bit after our meeting last week - what if we make those as strings | 16:40 |
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| sambetts | I think that would provide the most flexablity | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | i.e. both switch-id and switch-info becomes strings - | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | yhvh-: your thoughts on this? | 16:41 |
| sambetts | jroll mentioned the use of host names in there too so that would provide for that case too | 16:41 |
| jroll | right, we use host names downstream | 16:42 |
| yhvh- | I'd need to check all uses of switch_id, anyone else have insight? | 16:42 |
| jroll | again, my problem is that a mac address doesn't say anything about how to connect to the switch | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : this is how I was thinking - lldp provides the mac address. when an operator plumbs the HW wiring it says it connected port X to switch Y | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | switch Y (Y may be IP or hostid, etc, which goes into the switch-info) | 16:44 |
| jroll | which forces every ML2 driver to have something in switch_info | 16:44 |
| jroll | rather than switch_info being used for fancy things | 16:44 |
| sambetts | jroll++ | 16:45 |
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| jroll | I mean, I understand why we did it this way | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | and then switch-id can be used by topology cross check to make sure switch Y is what is reported by lldp | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | I can see how this could create confusion - if we made them all strings, then it is free-for-all - use it the way it works for you | 16:46 |
| jroll | yeah, now that I think more I think switch_id just isn't useful as its own field :) | 16:47 |
| sambetts | yeah I think that works best for switch-id, I thought switch_info was going to be a more complex structure than a string, like a dict, I guess it can be json.dumped | 16:47 |
| jroll | I'd almost rather kill switch_id and have switch_info: {mac_addr: foo, hostname: foo, ...{ | 16:48 |
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| sambetts | for our ml2 case, we only need the mgnt IP to identify a switch, because all other info is stored in the ml2 .ini config file | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : that is very specific - we discover everything dynamically - and do not rely on config stuff (as it is subject to human errors) :-) | 16:50 |
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| sambetts | how do you deal with authentication? because we could discover everything we need to plumb a BM via lldp, except usernames and passwords we still need the config file for that | 16:51 |
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| Sukhdev | sambetts: for that you need to read Arista's CloudVision - it will tell you how the magic happens :-) | 16:52 |
| jroll | sambetts: so, switch_id being a mac address doesn't block you, it's just annoying right? | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : there are several ways to deal with it - but, that is a discussion of some other meeting :) | 16:53 |
| sambetts | jroll: pretty much, just means we'll end up using switch_info for everything and ignoring switch_id | 16:53 |
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| Sukhdev | sambetts : that would work | 16:53 |
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| jroll | sambetts: I say we just keep moving forward for now then, the validation is just in code, not in db yeah? | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : in our case, we do not rely much on switch_info (we just stuff model info, etc) - in other words, we use only two fields as well - | 16:54 |
| yhvh- | There are knock on effects, it would be nice to have a common usage for these fields, for example, for the inspector additions in IPA would require HW managers to pack the info as the ml2 driver expects | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | but, we wanted to provide both - as some people had made a case during the summit discussion that both were needed | 16:54 |
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| jroll | we can always make this less restrictive later, I'd prefer to just roll forward | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | jroll +1 | 16:55 |
| yhvh- | +1 | 16:55 |
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| sambetts | ok as long as there is a consensus, is it possible for someone to write up something that tells us the restrictions/validations of the local-link-info field so that we can program around them? | 16:56 |
| sambetts | the spec isn't very clear on them | 16:57 |
| jroll | sambetts: maybe leave that comment on the docs patch | 16:57 |
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| sambetts | good shout, I'll go do that | 16:57 |
| jroll | I have to run, thanks for the good meeting yall | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : its been a while since I looked at this - see, if this addresses it - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228496/2/doc/source/deploy/install-guide.rst | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : thanks - will catch you later | 16:58 |
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| sambetts | Sukhdev: thats ok from the ironic side, but I'm thinking about more from the neutron dev side I would be nice to know what to expect in the binding_profile | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | sambetts : oh I was suppose to push a patch for documenting that - completely forgot :-) | 17:00 |
| sambetts | Sukhdev: oh great! I look forward to seeing it | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : I had started it - will look for it, complete it, and push it | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : no worries | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | Folks, we are out of time - | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | thanks for attending - | 17:00 |
| sambetts | thanks for having this discussion | 17:00 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 25 17:01:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-01-25-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-01-25-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-01-25-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
| vsaienko | thanks to all | 17:01 |
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