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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 23 13:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| oomichi_ | hi | 13:00 |
| annegentle | o/ | 13:00 |
| gmann_ | hi | 13:00 |
| tojuvone | hi | 13:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 13:00 |
| Kevin_Zheng | hi | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | welcome everyone, let's start the meeting | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | #topic Nova Microversion testing in Tempest | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova Microversion testing in Tempest (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| alex_xu | gmann_: your turn first | 13:01 |
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| gmann_ | ye | 13:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 13:01 |
| annegentle | anyone have a link to the agenda handy? | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaAPI | 13:01 |
| gmann_ | so all necessary patches are merged now. | 13:01 |
| annegentle | ty! | 13:01 |
| gmann_ | framework is in tempest/lib and 2.2 tests are already running on gate | 13:01 |
| gmann_ | u2.10 and 2.20 are up | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: cool, I guess just need some review on specific version test | 13:02 |
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| gmann_ | so basically microverions tests can be implemented | 13:02 |
| gmann_ | yea | 13:02 |
| oomichi_ | nice :-) | 13:02 |
| gmann_ | creating doc for those also | 13:02 |
| gmann_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261426/ | 13:02 |
| gmann_ | oomichi_: Thanks for review. i updated that patch | 13:03 |
| annegentle | woop woop doc :) | 13:03 |
| oomichi_ | gmann_: ok, will review it again later | 13:03 |
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| gmann_ | That's all from my side | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: thanks for the works, really good progress! | 13:03 |
| gmann_ | annegentle: :) | 13:03 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: npo | 13:03 |
| gmann_ | np | 13:03 |
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| alex_xu | #topic API Doc | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API Doc (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:04 | |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294078/ | 13:04 |
| * edleafe walks in late | 13:04 | |
| gmann_ | sdague: Thanks, i saw the devstack patch for capping the max microversion for mitaka. | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ^ I saw this in the agenda, so i start a separate topic for this, do you want to update something for this PoC | 13:04 |
| sdague | alex_xu: yeh, we wanted to talk about this a bit for where we're getting | 13:05 |
| sdague | I think this etherpad is probably a better link so far - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-site-in-rst | 13:05 |
| annegentle | also I invited karenb who has been working on fairy-slipper | 13:05 |
| karenb | hi | 13:05 |
| * annegentle waves | 13:06 | |
| sdague | Last week I spent much of the week trying to see what it would look like to get our API docs over into RST more directly, plus a bit of structured content for things like tables | 13:06 |
| karenb | I just started to look at your patch | 13:06 |
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| sdague | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/51/294151/4/check/gate-nova-docs/c2a264a//doc/build/html/rest_api/servers.html is an example of what the output looks like for the servers resource | 13:06 |
| * alex_xu poke oomichi_: we should have something similar with swagger also | 13:06 | |
| * johnthetubaguy nodding with respect at the etherpad | 13:06 | |
| sdague | karenb: yeh, it's kind of a mess of a patch stack, so appologies in advance, this was mostly just pushing forward to see where we could get to | 13:07 |
| karenb | I am a bit behind in understanding how this fits together | 13:07 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: I think what we're finding though is swagger needs too much additional engineering to get an author/ publish workflow | 13:07 |
| sdague | the crux of this is - RST files that look like this - https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/nova/e8afd02ca66a0801974ba2199c5323736c606257/doc/source/rest_api/servers.rst | 13:07 |
| sdague | ok, so how about I provide some common background | 13:07 |
| karenb | are you trying to automate the generation of parameter definitions | 13:07 |
| annegentle | karenb: yeah sorry for the "oh geez context" | 13:07 |
| sdague | 2 weeks ago I spent some time looking at swagger and how it would apply to a long standing api like compute | 13:08 |
| annegentle | mostly sdague and my concerns are around ongoing maintenance | 13:08 |
| annegentle | both of content and tooling | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: yes | 13:08 |
| sdague | and the problem is that swagger (and raml) is an API design tool, that has the side benefit of a docs framework | 13:08 |
| annegentle | sdague: yeah it's the legacy APIs that aren't a fit | 13:08 |
| sdague | however, if you don't start with swagger at your design, things like request parameter body is pretty rough to model | 13:09 |
| karenb | yes, agreed. there is some mismatch | 13:09 |
| annegentle | karenb has dug in and yeah... | 13:09 |
| oomichi_ | sdague: yeah, I know | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yes | 13:09 |
| sdague | because it expects a pretty strict model definition for in: body fields | 13:09 |
| sdague | that we just don't have | 13:09 |
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| sdague | however, the WADL stack we have today is definitely holding us back from having docs that people can use | 13:10 |
| annegentle | oh for sure | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | sdague: wait, body just a json-schema, why we said it is rough to model? | 13:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | adding microversion to WADL seem like a backwards step, so we need another route | 13:10 |
| sdague | so... could we have a nearish term solution of getting over to RST | 13:10 |
| oomichi_ | sdague: I have another idea now, my prototype is trying to create swagger data from api router info instead of the code | 13:10 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: it's not just jsonschema | 13:11 |
| oomichi_ | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296146/ | 13:11 |
| annegentle | oomichi_: that's the idea for fairy-slipper too but the engineering burden is then high | 13:11 |
| karenb | json schema should be able to model the api, no? | 13:11 |
| sdague | karenb: parts of it, probably | 13:11 |
| annegentle | karenb: at least the request/ responses in this case I believe | 13:11 |
| sdague | our jsonschema changes based on microversion though | 13:11 |
| annegentle | (nova has those defined?) | 13:11 |
| annegentle | sdague: ah ok | 13:11 |
| sdague | some of them | 13:11 |
| oomichi_ | annegentle: yeah, we need to find a nice way to avoid it | 13:11 |
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| oomichi_ | and I am trying to create a prototype for action api which is most difficult api for us | 13:12 |
| sdague | anyway, I feel like the trap that WADL provided us was that we assumed that if we had some machine format, and a tooling pipeline, we end up with good docs | 13:12 |
| oomichi_ | to avoid the big burden | 13:12 |
| sdague | but, it puts all the burden on the tooling pipeline | 13:12 |
| gmann_ | in json schema we can add description for each param etc but those are not yet complete info we can put there | 13:12 |
| annegentle | the original idea for fairy-slipper was to automate making the reference info. however, in practice nothing was structured enough for "prose plus examples" I believe, and migrating showed us that. | 13:12 |
| sdague | and doesn't let humans realize that sometimes things have to be explained differently to make sense | 13:13 |
| annegentle | oomichi_: right on the /actions POST, ack | 13:13 |
| sdague | there is very little human judgement on the output | 13:13 |
| oomichi_ | my idea is to provide swagger definition from REST API directly | 13:13 |
| sdague | so, let's see what a content first approach looks like | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think we need to have a concrete problems to focus on here, my choice would be: "how do we doc the microversions ASAP" and "how do we replace WADL quickly"? | 13:13 |
| oomichi_ | like kurbenetes | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 lets look at that | 13:13 |
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| sdague | so, that would be RST that looks like this - https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/nova/e8afd02ca66a0801974ba2199c5323736c606257/doc/source/rest_api/servers.rst | 13:14 |
| sdague | and you will notice there is a rest_parameters stanza | 13:14 |
| sdague | which is a list of parameters and types, that look up in a different file | 13:14 |
| karenb | have you determined that swagger cannot replace wadl for compute? | 13:14 |
| oomichi_ | johnthetubaguy: nice point. I am thinking swagger definition of microversionscan be gotten easily if REST API | 13:14 |
| oomichi_ | johnthetubaguy: because we can specify microversion on nova api | 13:15 |
| annegentle | karenb: it can, but only with a lot of extensions and then we have toolchain maintenance | 13:15 |
| sdague | this is "just enough structure" to make generating tables in RST | 13:15 |
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| annegentle | oomichi_: also, these parameters.yaml files could be built from Swagger's parameters sections | 13:15 |
| sdague | oomichi_: I 100% believe that swagger on the compute API is a wild goose chase. You are going to need to hack up swagger way outside the spec to make it work | 13:15 |
| sdague | then you have to own an entire swagger publish toolchain | 13:15 |
| sdague | we do not have the engineering for that | 13:16 |
| gmann_ | sdague: in that rst, can we use json schema for pram definition ? | 13:16 |
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| annegentle | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/491575/ | 13:16 |
| annegentle | this is an example of some yaml pulled from a wadl migration | 13:16 |
| sdague | gmann_: maybe, it actually looks very much like what fairy-slipper was producing in the wadl -> swagger conversion | 13:16 |
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| sdague | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/e8afd02ca66a0801974ba2199c5323736c606257/doc/source/rest_api/parameters.yaml | 13:17 |
| annegentle | yeah | 13:17 |
| sdague | I snagged the in: idea from swagger | 13:17 |
| annegentle | to me, this might be an ideal way to prioritize "more contributors by getting off of wadl" while still borrowing what we can from swagger | 13:17 |
| alex_xu | one idea is we generate swagger from code, and generate api doc like sdague's way | 13:17 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: yeah but we've not got the engineering time for that | 13:18 |
| sdague | here is the thing, generating swagger from code is engineering effort beyond getting content to the user | 13:18 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: I mean, I would love if we could generate parameters.yaml from code! | 13:18 |
| annegentle | that would be really cool | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I like sdague's approach as it opens up more options for the future, gets us microversion docs, and kills the WADL issue | 13:18 |
| annegentle | but swagger from code, not so much | 13:18 |
| sdague | my concern is what is the shortest path to get off WADL in a content first approach | 13:18 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: ah, yes, something like that | 13:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, lets get some docs where we control the tooling better, then start iterating some improvements, I love it | 13:19 |
| sdague | and, because of the way we plug structured data into the RST with things like the rest_parameters stanza, that could clearly be swapped out later for other kinds of structured data | 13:19 |
| oomichi_ | another merit of swagger is for client api also if we provide it with rest api | 13:19 |
| annegentle | and I know this is a nova-centric meeting, but of course I have to be the voice of reason for "ALL THE APIS" and I'm okay with RST plus YAML instead of RST plus Swagger for the legacy APIs that don't fit the model well. | 13:19 |
| oomichi_ | not only for doc | 13:19 |
| sdague | oomichi_: all of those are theoretical benefits | 13:19 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yes, and we won't generate another huge work for migating wadl to something else | 13:19 |
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| annegentle | oomichi_: yeah I know, but most people I talk to aren't huge fans of the generated clients | 13:19 |
| annegentle | oomichi_: believe me, I've asked and asked | 13:19 |
| annegentle | another thing this makes a bit harder is a "try it out" site | 13:20 |
| oomichi_ | because client code also can be genereted from swagger definition via rest api | 13:20 |
| annegentle | but again, we would need more engineering time | 13:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the problem we have is all our new APIs have zero docs | 13:20 |
| sdague | oomichi_: that I think is the huge falacy that gave us WADL | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | RST gets us there real quick | 13:20 |
| sdague | WADL was used for the same assumptions | 13:20 |
| annegentle | oomichi_: yes but not unless you use x-post (an extended definition) and then engineer all tools specifically for your extensions | 13:20 |
| sdague | and it turns out the consumers of our API docs are.... humans | 13:20 |
| karenb | do you plan on using the sphinx tools to generate html from the rst | 13:21 |
| annegentle | WADL was used for filtering requests | 13:21 |
| sdague | and we are serving them well | 13:21 |
| sdague | karenb: yes | 13:21 |
| annegentle | and we need something that does one thing not multiple | 13:21 |
| sdague | this is a normal sphinx pipeline from rst forward | 13:21 |
| annegentle | karenb: yeah, there is a need for a sphinx extension to make nice tables from yaml | 13:21 |
| annegentle | karenb: when sdague has created | 13:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | annegentle: yeah, we need the docs, the other stuff we can worry about later | 13:21 |
| sdague | if you pull that nova branch and run tox -e docs, it will build this html locally | 13:22 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: agreed, outcome is developer.openstack.org that's useful | 13:22 |
| annegentle | karenb: what I'd like to do this week is try to use the openstackdocstheme and better CSS for tables | 13:22 |
| annegentle | but want to be sure we have agreement on the path in general of course | 13:22 |
| annegentle | we'll also talk about it at the API WG meeting this week | 13:22 |
| sdague | right | 13:23 |
| oomichi_ | annegentle: aren't there any projects which use swagger yet? | 13:23 |
| sdague | I think the important thing to focus on is how soon can we get real docs to our users | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | it feels like this is our only chance of getting good microversion docs by the end of the cycle, so it excites me | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 13:24 |
| annegentle | oomichi_: magnum has a swagger file, but their API might be redesigned | 13:24 |
| oomichi_ | annegentle: ah, ok. thanks for the info | 13:24 |
| annegentle | oomichi_: and sahara has one generated with a pecan plugin I believe | 13:24 |
| karenb | do you have detailed docs on the use of microversions | 13:24 |
| karenb | I am not sure how that is related to your api model | 13:25 |
| annegentle | oomichi_: we have a patch in progress to build the migrated swagger files | 13:25 |
| annegentle | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/59/286659/9/check/gate-build-swagger/95e743a/swagger/compute-v2.1-swagger/index.html | 13:25 |
| oomichi_ | annegentle: cool, thanks again :-) | 13:26 |
| sdague | karenb: what kind of info are you looking for? | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | karenb: I tend to point people at sdague's blog post: https://dague.net/2015/06/05/the-nova-api-in-kilo-and-beyond-2/ | 13:26 |
| sdague | yeh, that link is good background | 13:26 |
| alex_xu | karenb: and this is also one http://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/compute/microversions.html | 13:26 |
| sdague | and then there are details in the tree a bit on the ones we've landed | 13:26 |
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| annegentle | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/api_microversions.html | 13:26 |
| karenb | what resources are available on what version, how do you access these versions, etc | 13:26 |
| annegentle | ^^ yeah that one is for contributor devs | 13:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | http://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/compute/microversions.html | 13:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh wait, yeah, thats the same thing, the API user guide | 13:27 |
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| alex_xu | ah, looks like we already have a lot of doc for microverions :) | 13:27 |
| gmann_ | :) | 13:28 |
| sdague | except for the user :) | 13:28 |
| alex_xu | sdague: this is for user http://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/compute/microversions.html | 13:28 |
| annegentle | only one for the user and no reference info :) | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, no reference info yet, thats the aim here | 13:28 |
| annegentle | but honestly, this is firstly about maintainable content | 13:28 |
| sdague | oomichi_: we will not that on http://docs-draft.openstack.org/59/286659/9/check/gate-build-swagger/95e743a/swagger/compute-v2.1-swagger/index.html doesn't have response parameters | 13:28 |
| gmann_ | yea | 13:28 |
| sdague | alex_xu: it's not, it doesn't tell them what's in the various microversions | 13:29 |
| oomichi_ | sdague: yeah, nice point. | 13:29 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ah, I got it | 13:29 |
| annegentle | oomichi_: and that's part of the findings as we got deeper into swagger... | 13:29 |
| annegentle | what got us here won't get us there? Or something? | 13:29 |
| oomichi_ | sdague: we need to migrate jsonschema from tempest if swagger | 13:29 |
| oomichi_ | sdague: then the ownership of jsonshema discussion again.. | 13:30 |
| sdague | oomichi_: again, that's a whole lot of engineering effort before we ever actually solve any problems for our users | 13:30 |
| alex_xu | oomichi_: ah, yes, that is another huge work for support swagger :( | 13:30 |
| sdague | we have to be user centric here | 13:30 |
| annegentle | right... | 13:30 |
| sdague | how do we solve that fact that anyone who wants to write an application with nova has to read the nova source code today | 13:30 |
| sdague | solve for that first | 13:30 |
| sdague | then look at ways we might optimize our storage / generation of some of that data | 13:31 |
| oomichi_ | sdague: yeah, I know. maybe swagger thing is long-term work on nova. not so soon ;-) | 13:31 |
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| annegentle | oomichi_: yeah, that's my sense of it | 13:31 |
| alex_xu | but I also hope we can show json-schema in the doc, even with sdague's propose | 13:31 |
| sdague | alex_xu: as a phase 2, probably | 13:32 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu yea that will be nice | 13:32 |
| karenb | somehow it would be good to generate a schema to a specification whether swagger or something else | 13:32 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: yeah I don't sense we're cutting off innovations there | 13:32 |
| karenb | it makes your api interoperable | 13:32 |
| annegentle | karenb: yeah, and interoperability is needed for OpenStack DefCore | 13:33 |
| annegentle | meeting the tests. | 13:33 |
| oomichi_ | but here are tempest-cores also, it is not so hard :) | 13:33 |
| sdague | karenb: I agree | 13:33 |
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| annegentle | oomichi_: good :) | 13:33 |
| sdague | however, I want to make sure we don't get caught up on the schema before the user docs | 13:33 |
| alex_xu | current odc didn't tell user what is request and response format | 13:33 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: yea, got it, step by step | 13:34 |
| alex_xu | s/odc/doc/ | 13:34 |
| sdague | as a for instance, just telling people 3 of the server parameters are only available in later versions of nova | 13:34 |
| gmann_ | sdague: but if we do schema thing later then would not it be duplicate effort to put all those param info in rst and yaml | 13:34 |
| sdague | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/51/294151/4/check/gate-nova-docs/c2a264a//doc/build/html/rest_api/servers.html#id5 | 13:35 |
| gmann_ | and then ref those to schema | 13:35 |
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| sdague | gmann_: we can either optimize for getting working docs, or optimize for data formats | 13:35 |
| annegentle | maintainable docs | 13:36 |
| gmann_ | sdague: from schema ('required'), we can show the mandatory and optional param there | 13:36 |
| sdague | and I believe that if we optimize for working docs, we'll open up the api docs to new contributors that can help | 13:36 |
| annegentle | (not arguing, heh) | 13:36 |
| sdague | instead of kicking them in the face with a pile of hard to understand sgml | 13:36 |
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| gmann_ | humm | 13:36 |
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| edleafe | annegentle: if they aren't maintainable, they won't be working (for long) | 13:37 |
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| annegentle | aww sdague there are still over 100 contribs to the WADL each release, but yes we need to get off of it | 13:37 |
| sdague | annegentle: they are, and I commend their hero level of dedication to get there | 13:37 |
| annegentle | one other Q I want to ask this group, is it easier in some ways to contribute to YAML and json schema files instead of RST due to English-as-a-second language? | 13:37 |
| annegentle | I want to consider that many many contributors to the API reference don't mind it because it's like filling in a form. | 13:38 |
| annegentle | swagger would have given us the "form" | 13:38 |
| annegentle | but... the API doesn't quite fit. | 13:38 |
| annegentle | does that make any sense or is it a needless worry? | 13:38 |
| sdague | annegentle: possibly, but at the end of the day you still need to write english on descriptions | 13:39 |
| alex_xu | English will always a problem, you need English explain the thing | 13:39 |
| annegentle | sdague: so, so true | 13:39 |
| * alex_xu 's problem | 13:39 | |
| annegentle | alex_xu: yeah... I don't want to be inconsiderate of a big group of contributors here just because I write a ton | 13:39 |
| oomichi_ | annegentle: it is easy to understand the code (json-schema, also) than English for me always :) | 13:40 |
| gmann_ | apart from english, i feel each developer like json nd yaml format(even with description than witting all in rst :) | 13:40 |
| annegentle | gmann_: :) | 13:40 |
| alex_xu | oomichi_: me too :) | 13:40 |
| edleafe | oomichi_: me too, sometimes :) | 13:40 |
| annegentle | ok yeah... to me, this does mean it's worthwhile to eventually enable something like Swagger. | 13:40 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: when you ready my commit message | 13:40 |
| sdague | however, so far that has failed to make an API site that anyone would use | 13:40 |
| annegentle | but! There's a ton of work on parameters.yaml to get those up to par | 13:41 |
| annegentle | yeah I think this is a decent compromise | 13:41 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: :) | 13:41 |
| oomichi_ | annegentle: yeah, it is easy to understand api design from sample files actually | 13:41 |
| alex_xu | parameters.yaml should convert from wadl? | 13:41 |
| oomichi_ | the body structures can be understandable from sample files | 13:41 |
| karenb | getting the content pieces right (req+response examples, params) is important | 13:41 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: well, I'd like to find someone who would investigate | 13:41 |
| annegentle | maybe it's sdague? | 13:41 |
| sdague | karenb: yes, absolutely | 13:41 |
| sdague | alex_xu: I would hope so | 13:42 |
| oomichi_ | karenb: agree | 13:42 |
| annegentle | maybe karenb can take a look? | 13:42 |
| sdague | I believe the fairy-slipper wadl -> swagger built content almost exactly like it | 13:42 |
| sdague | and we can tweak things to make that match | 13:42 |
| karenb | I need to look at parameters.yaml | 13:43 |
| sdague | this was an attempt to build a semi structured format that would be readonable to get over from our current bits | 13:43 |
| annegentle | sdague: for now, parameters.yaml was just one idea right? | 13:43 |
| annegentle | sdague: ok | 13:43 |
| sdague | so that the conversion could be quick | 13:43 |
| sdague | annegentle: yes, it's just the current thing I built that worked | 13:44 |
| oomichi_ | sdague: yeah, I agree | 13:44 |
| karenb | wadl-> swagger has a model that is slightly different than swagger | 13:44 |
| sdague | if we need field changes in it, that's all negotiable | 13:44 |
| karenb | you could do anything with it | 13:44 |
| annegentle | malleable! | 13:44 |
| sdague | karenb: yeh, annegentle showed me the json there and it looked really similar to https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/e8afd02ca66a0801974ba2199c5323736c606257/doc/source/rest_api/parameters.yaml | 13:44 |
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| sdague | and the content / structure of that file is just inside the rest_parameters sphinx extension, we can make it whatever makes sense | 13:45 |
| sdague | I also expect that the tools will get us about 90% of the way in a conversion, then we'll just have to clean up the final bits in a sprint | 13:46 |
| annegentle | there will definitely be cleanup | 13:46 |
| annegentle | but a sprint per project would get us there | 13:46 |
| karenb | sure. swagger2rst from fairy-slipper also creates custom rst directives and | 13:47 |
| karenb | collects the various rst pieces together | 13:47 |
| karenb | the parsing is not complicated | 13:47 |
| sdague | karenb: cool | 13:47 |
| annegentle | karenb: oh yeah | 13:47 |
| annegentle | (were there other agenda items?) | 13:48 |
| alex_xu | yes | 13:48 |
| sdague | yeh, we kind of monopolized here :) | 13:49 |
| annegentle | ok didn't want to take over :) sorry | 13:49 |
| alex_xu | if we are cool for the doc, then we jump to open | 13:49 |
| sdague | sorry, but it was a big change in direction and wanted to get discussion going | 13:49 |
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| annegentle | yeah appreciate it all | 13:49 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yes, anyway we want to discuss newton work, the doc is part of that | 13:49 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 13:50 |
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| alex_xu | I think we didn't have time discussion other newton item today. Let us go through those next week | 13:50 |
| cdent | after discussion yesterday with sdague I've created this: https://github.com/cdent/microversion-parse | 13:50 |
| cdent | that might be relevant to some folk | 13:50 |
| sdague | cdent: thanks again for that | 13:51 |
| sdague | alex_xu: do you have the etherpad linke for newton api items? | 13:51 |
| cdent | it's pending infra-ness at https://review.openstack.org/296046 | 13:51 |
| alex_xu | sdague: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-api-ideas | 13:51 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy also put something in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas | 13:51 |
| sdague | we should put the standard header parsing as an item | 13:51 |
| alex_xu | sdague: microversion's header? | 13:52 |
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| sdague | the new guideline on OpenStack-API-Version | 13:52 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ah, yea | 13:53 |
| alex_xu | sdague: it's in line 23 | 13:53 |
| sdague | that's what cdent's library helps with | 13:53 |
| alex_xu | cdent: cool | 13:53 |
| gmann_ | cdent: looks interesting , will check in detail tomorrow. | 13:54 |
| cdent | thank alex_xu, gmann_ | 13:54 |
| cdent | thanks :) | 13:54 |
| gmann_ | so it will be candidate for all project's microversion header parsing right | 13:54 |
| sdague | gmann_: yes | 13:55 |
| gmann_ | i mean for api-wg | 13:55 |
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| gmann_ | sdague: ok, will be good for tempest microversion testing too | 13:55 |
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| alex_xu | if any people have real 'open' item, please bring up, otherwise you will lose the chance :( | 13:55 |
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| alex_xu | ok, I guess no... | 13:57 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: there is one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293790/ I guess you put it here | 13:57 |
| Kevin_Zheng | yes | 13:57 |
| Kevin_Zheng | if there is still time | 13:57 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: anything we can help? | 13:57 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: sorry, 3 mins :( | 13:58 |
| Kevin_Zheng | yes last week I talk about your ideas about force stop instances | 13:58 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I put up a spec | 13:58 |
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| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: ah, cool | 13:59 |
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| alex_xu | I will try to reach that | 13:59 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Thanks, looks like you guys have alot of things important than this | 13:59 |
| Kevin_Zheng | yes, its not in a hurry | 13:59 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Thanks again | 14:00 |
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| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: no worries, free to bring question at here | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | sorry, it's time to close the meeting | 14:00 |
| Kevin_Zheng | NP | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | thanks all! | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 23 14:00:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-03-23-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| gmann_ | Thanks all | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-03-23-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-03-23-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 23 14:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
| acabot | hi everyone | 14:00 |
| jinquan | hi | 14:00 |
| edleafe | o/ | 14:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:00 |
| tpeoples | o/ | 14:00 |
| vtech_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| seanmurphy | hi all | 14:01 |
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| sballe_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| acabot | agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#03.2F23.2F2016 | 14:01 |
| tkaczynski | hi | 14:01 |
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| jed56 | hi | 14:01 |
| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
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| acabot | #info we released Watcher RC-1 yesterday (3 days later than the official schedule) | 14:02 |
| acabot | sorry for that | 14:02 |
| acabot | our next target is RC-final (April 1st) | 14:03 |
| acabot | and its not a joke ;-) | 14:03 |
| sballe_ | :) | 14:03 |
| seanmurphy | ;-) | 14:03 |
| alexchadin | hi | 14:03 |
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| hvprash | hi | 14:04 |
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| acabot | #info Slides for the Austin summit are available for reviews #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xzuIgmvRXiwTxv4R0al8DZoFd7u6OA6hx6aUrid7JPw/edit?usp=sharing | 14:04 |
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| acabot | sballe_: do you want me to integrate Joe & Sean comments ? | 14:05 |
| acabot | xavier already did updates yesterday | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | yes thta is my plans. I have been sick the last 3 days | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | but feeling better today | 14:05 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ integrate comments in Austin slides | 14:06 |
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| acabot | #info PTL election has ended and I'm the only candidate so if anyone is against nominating myself, please say something now ;-) | 14:07 |
| tpeoples | :D | 14:07 |
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| sballe_ | I would nominate you too | 14:07 |
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| sballe_ | you have done a great job | 14:07 |
| acabot | thx | 14:07 |
| acabot | #info acabot will be Watcher PTL for Newton | 14:08 |
| tkaczynski | +1 for acabot :) | 14:08 |
| vincentfrancoise | +2 | 14:08 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:08 |
| jinquan | +1 | 14:08 |
| alexchadin | +1 | 14:08 |
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| acabot | ok in this case just synchronise yourself to avoid rebasing | 14:24 |
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| vincentfrancoise | gzhai2: I can push a first version by EOD so you can compare | 14:24 |
| gzhai2 | vincentfrancoise: merged? | 14:24 |
| vincentfrancoise | gzhai2: but it's not ideal | 14:24 |
| vincentfrancoise | no just push for review | 14:24 |
| gzhai2 | ok. I'll have a look. Other issues do you have? | 14:25 |
| tkaczynski | vincentfrancoise: if we are talking about few days to implement that, it will not affect me really. I should be able to use your changes easily | 14:25 |
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| acabot | #action vincent francoise push code for 'Achieved goal should be returned by each strategy' asap | 14:25 |
| vincentfrancoise | gzhai2: I don't have any strategy_para_info | 14:25 |
| acabot | #action vincentfrancoise push code for 'Achieved goal should be returned by each strategy' asap | 14:26 |
| vincentfrancoise | tkaczynski: you are much less affected by this than gzhai2 | 14:26 |
| gzhai2 | vincentfrancoise: I'll add it:) If we just conflict with strategy, I think it's ok. | 14:26 |
| tkaczynski | vincentfrancoise: this is why I'm saying I'm good :) | 14:26 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ jwcroppe BIG PRIORITY review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293862/ | 14:26 |
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| sballe_ | ok | 14:27 |
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| acabot | alexstav: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286153/ needs a new PS based on last reviews | 14:27 |
| acabot | #action alexstav add a new PS for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286153/ | 14:27 |
| alexchadin | alexchadin* | 14:28 |
| acabot | WIP: Cluster model objects wrapper needs reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ | 14:28 |
| acabot | #action alexchadin add a new PS for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286153/ | 14:28 |
| tpeoples | #action tpeoples to submit non-WIP review for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ | 14:29 |
| acabot | tpeoples: I think you can start working on work items | 14:29 |
| alexchadin | I'll add it tomorrow or by friday | 14:29 |
| tpeoples | i will start on implementation this week as well | 14:29 |
| acabot | tpeoples: cool | 14:29 |
| seanmurphy | regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ - i had point abt integration with notification system | 14:29 |
| acabot | please update the BP status on launchpad | 14:29 |
| tpeoples | will do acabot | 14:29 |
| seanmurphy | is this an architectural change? | 14:29 |
| tpeoples | no seanmurphy, it has been part of the architecture plans | 14:30 |
| seanmurphy | ok - i did not realize this | 14:30 |
| tpeoples | there was always an intention to have watcher connected to the same message bus as all other services | 14:30 |
| seanmurphy | ok - got it | 14:30 |
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| acabot | Add specification for Watcher Scoring Module needs reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289880/ | 14:31 |
| acabot | thanks tkaczynski for your detailed answers | 14:31 |
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| acabot | it would be great to have more reviewers on the scoring module | 14:31 |
| dtardivel | acabot: I will review it | 14:32 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: sure, I'm trying to keep this up to date and improve the spec. thanks to jed56 for his comments! | 14:32 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel acabot review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289880/ | 14:32 |
| hvprash | i will review too | 14:33 |
| acabot | Provide efficacy indicators is locked on licences discussion https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/ | 14:33 |
| acabot | #action hvprash review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289880/ | 14:33 |
| acabot | tpeoples : there is a concern from IBM about licenses | 14:34 |
| acabot | tpeoples : any update on this ? | 14:34 |
| tpeoples | acabot: no, let me ask joe when i talk to him next | 14:34 |
| tpeoples | he's traveling internationally | 14:34 |
| acabot | #action jwcroppe clarify the license problem on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/ | 14:34 |
| acabot | thats it for specs | 14:35 |
| tpeoples | just took a look, don't think it'll be an issue really | 14:35 |
| tpeoples | aren't other projects starting to look into using voluptuous as well? | 14:35 |
| acabot | #info regarding watcher and python-watcherclient, a couple of bugs have been fixed | 14:36 |
| jed56 | I think zull | 14:36 |
| jed56 | is using voluptuous | 14:37 |
| tpeoples | yeah, i don't think there's an issue. i'll ask him what was up there | 14:37 |
| acabot | ok thx | 14:37 |
| jed56 | https://github.com/openstack-infra/zuul/blob/master/requirements.txt#L12 | 14:37 |
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| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:37 |
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| acabot | the RC-final details are available at #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/mitaka-rc-final | 14:38 |
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| jed56 | monasca is using also voluptuoushttps://github.com/openstack/monasca-api/blob/master/requirements.txt#L18 | 14:38 |
| acabot | as you can see, we wont be able to deliver everything by end of next week ! | 14:38 |
| dtardivel | voluptuous was part of global requirement, before we decided to use it. Is it not a sufficient guarantee ? what is the condition to introduce new lib into global requirements ? | 14:38 |
| tpeoples | it should be sufficient dtardivel. i don't know what jwcroppe had an issue with really | 14:39 |
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| acabot | gzhai2: do you plan to implement "Allow specification of threshold defining when optimization is needed" for rc-final ? | 14:39 |
| gzhai2 | yes | 14:40 |
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| gzhai2 | The due date? | 14:40 |
| acabot | we need to have the code avaiable for review by EOW | 14:40 |
| acabot | to have one full week to review and merge | 14:41 |
| gzhai2 | No problem. | 14:41 |
| acabot | thanks | 14:41 |
| acabot | tpeoples: I suppose I can postpone the object wrapper to Newton right ? | 14:42 |
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| acabot | tkaczynski : same for scoring module | 14:42 |
| tpeoples | yeah. i'll start working on it but getting that done *and* reviewed by april 1st is not going to happen | 14:42 |
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| acabot | seanmurphy: your code has been reviewed but dtardivel is still working on it | 14:43 |
| seanmurphy | ok - cool - thanks | 14:43 |
| acabot | so we were not able to merge it last week | 14:43 |
| acabot | but it will be merged for mitaka | 14:43 |
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| tkaczynski | acabot: yes, scoring module (implementation) has no way to happen before April 1st. the spec is still not approved | 14:44 |
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| acabot | vincentfrancoise can you assign yourself "The achieved goal should be returned by each strategy" . | 14:44 |
| acabot | ? | 14:44 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: ok will do it now | 14:44 |
| acabot | alexchadin: when do you plan to submit your code for review ? | 14:44 |
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| alexchadin | Once my spec pass, no? | 14:45 |
| alexchadin | I already have a code and unit-tests | 14:45 |
| acabot | alexchadin: I know that your code is already on github ;-) | 14:45 |
| alexchadin | yeeees | 14:45 |
| sballe_ | lol | 14:45 |
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| alexchadin | Should I publish it? | 14:45 |
| alexchadin | To the gerrit | 14:45 |
| acabot | alexchadin: you can submit it as WIP | 14:46 |
| acabot | and I will move the BP to Newton | 14:46 |
| acabot | as the specs need more work | 14:46 |
| acabot | I suggest to move all low priority bugs to Newton cycle | 14:46 |
| alexchadin | Where can i submit it as WIP? At launchpad? | 14:47 |
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| acabot | just add a "WIP" at the beginning of your commit message | 14:47 |
| acabot | and submit it to gerrit | 14:47 |
| dtardivel | and pass WORKFLOW indicator tp -1 | 14:48 |
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| dtardivel | to -1 | 14:48 |
| alexchadin | Oh, okay, i'll do it tomorrow | 14:48 |
| acabot | #action alexchadin submit the code for Watcher Overload standard deviation algorithm as WIP | 14:48 |
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| acabot | #action acabot clear the rc-final BP and bugs priorities according to meeting logs | 14:48 |
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| acabot | #topic Open Discussion | 14:49 |
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| acabot | What is the good practice to re-assign a bug to someone ? | 14:49 |
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| tpeoples | leave a comment on launchpad asking the status. if you don't hear within a reasonable time (a day, two days?) then just move it to the other person | 14:49 |
| tpeoples | imo | 14:49 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: +1 | 14:50 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:50 |
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| gzhai2 | yes. ask current owner if want to reassign. | 14:50 |
| tpeoples | don't want to just move it since the person may have a changeset locally they haven't pushed up yet | 14:50 |
| jinquan | +1 | 14:50 |
| vincentfrancoise | +1 | 14:51 |
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| jed56 | +2 | 14:51 |
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| acabot | #info when a bug should be reassigned, leave a comment on launchpad asking the status. if you don't hear within 2 days then just move it to the other person | 14:51 |
| dtardivel | Can we just remove the assignee, and let someone else take the bug later ? | 14:51 |
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| acabot | dtardivel: IMO, you can set it as unassigned | 14:52 |
| gzhai2 | assigne to nobody should be ok. | 14:52 |
| dtardivel | perfect | 14:52 |
| jinquan | It should also be acceptable | 14:52 |
| tpeoples | i think that might make sense. i know looking at other projects i initially skip over looking to work on bugs that have owners | 14:52 |
| tpeoples | so yeah | 14:52 |
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| acabot | edleafe: I saw you got a -1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276840/ | 14:53 |
| acabot | do you plan to get more reviewers on this ? | 14:54 |
| dtardivel | acabot: I will have a look on bugs and add re-assign comment if necessary | 14:54 |
| edleafe | acabot: yeah, now that Newton is open, I'll push more for it | 14:54 |
| sballe_ | edleafe: thx +1 | 14:54 |
| jinquan | acabot: Is appropriate to start coding now ? because https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283449/ has something need discuss | 14:55 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel reassign bugs after acabot priority check | 14:55 |
| acabot | edleafe : thx | 14:55 |
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| vincentfrancoise | acabot: shouldn't we re-open undone Mitaka BPs to now target Newton in watcher-specs? | 14:55 |
| acabot | jinquan: I think you can start coding | 14:55 |
| jinquan | ok | 14:56 |
| acabot | jinquan: there is a dependency on vincentfrancoise work | 14:56 |
| jed56 | jinquan: IMHO, you need to discuss with vincentcrnoise | 14:56 |
| acabot | jinquan: I will add it in launchpad | 14:56 |
| jinquan | get it | 14:57 |
| acabot | jinquan: so please review vincentfrancoise code before starting implementing this | 14:57 |
| vincentfrancoise | acabot: just added the dependency on launchpad | 14:57 |
| jed56 | beacause there is dependency for getting the indicators from pythonwatcherclient | 14:57 |
| jed56 | acabot :thansk | 14:57 |
| acabot | jinquan : there is an open BP with specs merged here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/select-destinations-filter | 14:57 |
| acabot | jinquan: it could be a good way to enter Watcher code | 14:58 |
| acabot | with a bit of stevedore to deal with | 14:58 |
| jinquan | ok i will read it thank you | 14:58 |
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| acabot | thank you | 14:59 |
| acabot | time to close the meeting | 14:59 |
| jed56 | bye | 14:59 |
| acabot | bye | 14:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye everyone | 14:59 |
| tkaczynski | bye | 14:59 |
| alexchadin | ину | 14:59 |
| sballe_ | bye | 14:59 |
| alexchadin | bye | 14:59 |
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| hvprash | bye | 14:59 |
| gzhai2 | bye | 14:59 |
| seanmurphy | bye! | 14:59 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 23 14:59:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-03-23-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-03-23-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-03-23-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
| vtech | bye | 14:59 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 23 16:30:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:30 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:30 |
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| vhosakot | o/ | 16:30 |
| SamYaple | o/ | 16:30 |
| sdake | \o/ | 16:30 |
| rhallisey | hi | 16:30 |
| SamYaple | pbourke: ping | 16:31 |
| pbourke | o/ | 16:31 |
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| inc0 | o/ | 16:31 |
| akwasnie1 | hi | 16:31 |
| jpeeler | hey | 16:31 |
| nihilifer | hi | 16:31 |
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| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:32 |
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| sdake | mitaka branch was created | 16:32 |
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| sdake | i proposed onthe mailing list creating an rc2 this friday | 16:32 |
| sdake | and heard no complaints | 16:33 |
| sdake | so thats happening ;) | 16:33 |
| sdake | rc3 will still be end of march-april2ndish | 16:33 |
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| sdake | any other announcements folks have? | 16:33 |
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| inc0 | how do we look like on 1.1.0 front? | 16:34 |
| sdake | that is in the agenda inc0 | 16:34 |
| sdake | #topic Liberty backport status | 16:34 |
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| sdake | SamYaple any progress? | 16:35 |
| sdake | i think this work is sort of blocked on teh fact that percona broke our gating | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | since the last meeting i have not touched liberty due to mitaka needing love | 16:35 |
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| SamYaple | i havent tested centos, but the ubuntu stuff should be done by end of week assuming mitaka needs no more love | 16:36 |
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| SamYaple | my proirity is mitaka atm though | 16:36 |
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| sdake | agree mitaka is the priority | 16:36 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 16:36 |
| sdake | we have `50 bugs in various states of being worked on | 16:36 |
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| sdake | #topic Bug tracking process [timebox 20 minutes] | 16:37 |
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| sdake | I'm not sure if evyerone reads the mailing list | 16:37 |
| sdake | so I will just cut and paste my email here | 16:37 |
| sdake | just a moment | 16:37 |
| SamYaple | please paste link :) | 16:37 |
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| sdake | Thierry (ttx in the irc log at [1]) proposed the standard way projects typically handle backports of newton fixes that should be fixed in an rc, while also maintaining the information in our rc2/rc3 trackers. | 16:38 |
| sdake | Here is an example bug with the process applied: | 16:38 |
| sdake | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1540234 | 16:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1540234 in kolla mitaka "rabbitmq cluster does not work with dashes in the hostname" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to weiyu (weiyu) | 16:38 |
| sdake | To apply this process, the following happens: | 16:38 |
| sdake | Any individual may propose a newton bug for backport potential by specifying the tag 'rc-backport-potential" in the Newton 1 milestone. | 16:38 |
| sdake | Core reviewers review the rc-backport-potential bugs. | 16:38 |
| sdake | CR's review [3] on a daily basis for new rc backport candidates. | 16:38 |
| sdake | If the core reviewer thinks the bug should be backported to stable/mitaka, (or belongs in the rc), they use the Target to series button, select mitaka, save. | 16:38 |
| sdake | copy the state of the bug, but set thte Mitaka milestone target to "mitaka-rc2". | 16:38 |
| sdake | Finally they remove the rc-backport-potential tag from the bug, so it isn't re-reviwed. | 16:38 |
| sdake | The purpose of this proposal is to do the following: | 16:38 |
| sdake | Allow the core reviewer team to keep track of bugs needing attention for the release candidates in [2] by looking at [3]. | 16:38 |
| sdake | Allow master development to proceed un-impeded. | 16:38 |
| sdake | Not single thread on any individual for backporting. | 16:38 |
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| sdake | I'd like further discussion on this proposal at our Wednesday meeting, so I've blocked off a 20 minute timebox for this topic. I'd like wide agreement from the core reviewers to follow this best practice, or alternately lets come up with a plan b :) | 16:38 |
| sdake | If your a core reviewer and won't be able to make our next meeting, please respond on this thread with your thoughts. Lets also not apply the process until the conclusion of the discussion at Wednesday's meeting. | 16:38 |
| sdake | woops too late ;) | 16:38 |
| sdake | so lets talk about this in mor edetail | 16:38 |
| sdake | after irc catches up | 16:38 |
| inc0 | really sdake...? not even paste.openstack.orh? | 16:38 |
| SamYaple | ugh | 16:38 |
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| sdake | inc0 sorry - failure on my part ;( | 16:38 |
| SamYaple | you didnt paste link | 16:38 |
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| sdake | ok, so everyone read throug hthat please | 16:39 |
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| sdake | the basic idea is we are going to use bug tracking as defined by best practices of the general openstack community | 16:39 |
| sdake | that email lcontains the details of what those best practices are | 16:40 |
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| sdake | this is a proposal not a mandate | 16:40 |
| sdake | so I'd like discussion around the idea | 16:40 |
| sdake | and wide agreement that thee core reiviewers are on board | 16:40 |
| sdake | i've been using the process for 1-2 days, and it works very well for my needs | 16:41 |
| jpeeler | perhaps a bit clearer: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090146.html | 16:41 |
| sdake | one of the nice htings is it gets rid of single threading | 16:41 |
| sdake | thanks jpeeler | 16:41 |
| sdake | apologies for not linking that | 16:41 |
| sdake | cafeeine free diet ftl | 16:41 |
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| sdake | are there any questions on the process? | 16:42 |
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| sdake | hey sbezverk welcome to our meeting :) | 16:43 |
| sdake | nobody has a single question? | 16:43 |
| sbezverk | Hi sorry keep loosing channel name | 16:43 |
| vhosakot | sbezverk: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla | 16:44 |
| jpeeler | isn't there some magic that happens if the commit message containers the backport potential tag? perhaps having to skip setting it in launchpad? | 16:44 |
| jpeeler | containers lol, contains | 16:44 |
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| sdake | jpeeler no not at this time | 16:44 |
| vhosakot | sdake: so, "rc-backport-potential" is needed to backport changes to Mitaka or to Liberty ? | 16:44 |
| sdake | the commit message doens't contain a backport potnetial flag | 16:44 |
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| sdake | the bug tracker is set with that | 16:44 |
| inc0 | we could perhaps write some magical filter to gerrit that will work | 16:45 |
| sdake | vhosakot only for people in the core review team | 16:45 |
| sdake | not in the drivers team i mean | 16:45 |
| vhosakot | sdake: ah ok | 16:45 |
| vhosakot | cool | 16:45 |
| sdake | the drivers team goes straight past that step vhosakot | 16:45 |
| vhosakot | sdake: ah ok | 16:45 |
| sdake | rc-backport-potential is meant for people outside the drivers team | 16:45 |
| vhosakot | sdake: didn't know there are two teams :) | 16:45 |
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| sdake | ya drivers team is responosible for launchpad | 16:46 |
| vhosakot | ah ok | 16:46 |
| sdake | core review team is responsible for reviews and policy setting | 16:46 |
| vhosakot | cool | 16:46 |
| sdake | drivers team contains all core reviewers | 16:46 |
| sdake | or it should :) | 16:46 |
| sdake | as well as anyone else who shows an interest in the project | 16:46 |
| sdake | ay more questions? | 16:47 |
| sdake | I'd like a rollcall vote of the core reviewers present here | 16:47 |
| SamYaple | == | 16:47 |
| inc0 | << | 16:47 |
| sdake | i am +1 for the proposal as worded in the email | 16:48 |
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| pbourke | sdake any chance you could do it on the ML? | 16:48 |
| sdake | pbourke i can but i want to ge tthe ball rolling | 16:48 |
| pbourke | np | 16:48 |
| sdake | we need this right now not in a week | 16:48 |
| sdake | i will follow up with a formal vote | 16:49 |
| sdake | on the mailing list with a 1 week expiration | 16:49 |
| sdake | if you want | 16:49 |
| sdake | but id' like a vote on irc now | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | hi | 16:49 |
| sdake | sounds like we have 3 in favor sdake, SamYaple inc0 | 16:49 |
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| sdake | any others? | 16:49 |
| nihilifer | +1 fro me | 16:49 |
| jpeeler | +1 | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | yes | 16:49 |
| sdake | need 1 more | 16:50 |
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| pbourke | can people not just submit a review targeted at the branch | 16:50 |
| pbourke | and core +/- 1 the usual way | 16:50 |
| inc0 | +1 from me | 16:50 |
| akwasnie1 | +1 | 16:50 |
| SamYaple | pbourke: this is about bugs specifically | 16:50 |
| sdake | pbourke the problem is around tracking | 16:50 |
| elemoine_ | +1 | 16:50 |
| inc0 | I was part of initial discussion | 16:50 |
| sdake | ok we have 7 votes os thats a majority | 16:51 |
| sdake | but i wan tto make sure pbourke 's concerns are discussed | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | for those wondering why this sounds, this was also discussed back in Dec, without the rc-backport tag | 16:51 |
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| SamYaple | so this just formalizes it all | 16:51 |
| sdake | pbourke this process results in a way to track a patch for master, as well as mitaka as well as liberty | 16:51 |
| sdake | pbourke if devs use cherry-pick only for backports there is no priortiization no tracking, no definition of done | 16:52 |
| sdake | which means backports get lost | 16:52 |
| sdake | which is precisely what happened in liberty | 16:52 |
| pbourke | im sure its fine | 16:53 |
| sdake | this process should fix that | 16:53 |
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| sdake | and its relaly only onerou on the ptl | 16:53 |
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| sdake | eveyrone else has minimal extra buttons to click during bug triage | 16:53 |
| sdake | one thing id' ask | 16:53 |
| sdake | when doing reviews, click through the link kto the bug | 16:53 |
| sdake | and decide if it should be backported | 16:53 |
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| sdake | if it should, mark it for mitaka | 16:54 |
| sdake | lets try notot bakcport the universe | 16:54 |
| sdake | but any bug is fair game | 16:54 |
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| sdake | ok any last thoguhts from anyone? | 16:54 |
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| sdake | #topic Brainstorming problems people have seen in etherpad [timebox 15 minutes] | 16:55 |
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| sdake | this is going to be a little bit of a wierd session | 16:55 |
| sdake | i've never done anything ike this in the past | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | we should all vote on the issues! | 16:55 |
| sdake | but I keep hearingabout all sorts of random faiure scenarios that people know about | 16:55 |
| sdake | no voting :) | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | :{ | 16:56 |
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| sdake | so what I'd like is for people to write down in a lightweight fashion any kind of oddness they find | 16:56 |
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| rhallisey | SamYaple, new voting? | 16:56 |
| sdake | using a etherpad | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: i think you mean "voting" | 16:56 |
| sdake | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-mitaka-oddities | 16:56 |
| inc0 | you want us to use etherpad to write down why etherpad isn't working? | 16:57 |
| vhosakot | sdake: is this etherpad for cores ? | 16:57 |
| sdake | no anyone can participate | 16:57 |
| vhosakot | cool | 16:57 |
| sdake | vhosakot nothing is excluded from participation by others in our meetings except policy votess | 16:58 |
| vhosakot | ah cool! | 16:58 |
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| sdake | if you wnt to vote on the midcycle sessions as well, feel free ;) | 16:58 |
| vhosakot | ah ok | 16:58 |
| sdake | ok we have until 15 after to finish this session | 16:59 |
| sdake | nothing may come of it | 16:59 |
| sdake | but please try to think back to any of those one off fialure casess you hae had | 16:59 |
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| sdake | ok 10 minutes left | 17:05 |
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| sdake | i'mg oing to gie it another 5 for foks to put in ideas | 17:06 |
| sdake | if we have run out of iideas by then, we ca nmove on | 17:06 |
| sdake | so please keep going ;) | 17:06 |
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| vhosakot | should the multinode issue where nuetron hosts must be present in a specific order due to Ansible bug be mentioned as an oddity ? | 17:06 |
| sdake | vhosakot yes | 17:06 |
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| sdake | folks this is brainstomring | 17:07 |
| sdake | even if your not sure, write it down :) | 17:07 |
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| sdake | ok i'm going t o file bugs on these issues | 17:10 |
| sdake | and bring them into mitaka rc series | 17:10 |
| sdake | we can kick them out later if we want | 17:10 |
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| sdake | they will start out in triaged state | 17:11 |
| vhosakot | are we moving to Ansible 2.0 in Newton ? | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | vhosakot: yes | 17:11 |
| sdake | vhosakot thats been discussed | 17:11 |
| vhosakot | cool | 17:11 |
| inc0 | that is the plan | 17:11 |
| vhosakot | cool, just checking | 17:11 |
| sdake | #topic format of globals.yml | 17:12 |
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| sdake | there have been lots of reviews about globals.yml | 17:12 |
| sdake | changing things back and forth | 17:12 |
| sdake | i'd like to settle on a standard and get it in mitaka | 17:12 |
| sdake | since its a critical piece of documentation | 17:13 |
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| sdake | the debate that came up in the review was whether the defaults should be listed | 17:13 |
| SamYaple | useful defaults* | 17:13 |
| sdake | and if the default commented value should be the same as the default or opposoite | 17:13 |
| sdake | opposiet allows for easy config by remvoing a comment and space | 17:14 |
| sdake | SamYaple agree, we dont want to expose everything | 17:14 |
| sdake | i am thinnking things like 'enable_heat" | 17:14 |
| sdake | which is in globals.yml | 17:14 |
| sdake | but enable_swift is not | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | comments in config files across all stable software show the default | 17:14 |
| sdake | or maybe it was added | 17:14 |
| sdake | but you get the idea | 17:14 |
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| sdake | ok that is a good attern to follow then | 17:14 |
| sdake | i'd ike to be consistent with other openstack projects | 17:15 |
| sdake | but do we want the commented item to be the default or the opposite? | 17:15 |
| sdake | for example we could do something like | 17:15 |
| sdake | # Descritpion | 17:15 |
| sdake | # The default is XYZ | 17:15 |
| sdake | # enable_heat: yes | 17:15 |
| sdake | rather the default is no | 17:15 |
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| vhosakot | should a single variable be in all three files ? in globals.yml, all.yml and <service name>/defaults/main.yml ? | 17:16 |
| sdake | atm we have comletely incosnsitency in thsi file | 17:16 |
| sdake | and its 1 of 2 of our go to documents | 17:16 |
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| sdake | vhosakot yest hat is normal, globals.yml is for an ovveride | 17:16 |
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| inc0 | I think way everyone do this is to comment on default | 17:17 |
| inc0 | # enable_heat: no | 17:17 |
| SamYaple | inc0: correct | 17:17 |
| SamYaple | though the eefault for heat is yes i believe | 17:17 |
| vhosakot | inc0: yes, that is good... and make globals.yml dictate the final values | 17:17 |
| SamYaple | but yes, everyone comments out values that are defaults | 17:17 |
| sdake | i think we took heat out of yes default | 17:17 |
| sdake | so maybe heat is a bad example | 17:17 |
| sdake | lets use manila instead :) | 17:17 |
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| SamYaple | there ya o | 17:17 |
| SamYaple | go* | 17:18 |
| vhosakot | yes, manila has good variables separation.. | 17:18 |
| sdake | ok folks | 17:18 |
| sdake | we are discussing multipe lthings | 17:18 |
| sdake | lets focus on one thing now | 17:18 |
| sdake | enable_service | 17:18 |
| sdake | should the # enable_service be the default or opposite | 17:19 |
| sbezverk | would it not be more straight forward not to rely on defaults but on explicitely enabled service? | 17:19 |
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| inc0 | we can also point in docs that defaults are here: https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/ansible/group_vars/all.yml | 17:19 |
| inc0 | so we won't do commented all.yml in globals.yml | 17:20 |
| vhosakot | sdake: I like all commented out variables _not_ default so that way an operator sees a different behavior when the comments var in uncommented | 17:20 |
| inc0 | it will also be good documentation for what people can change | 17:20 |
| sdake | vhosakot i agree with that line of thinking | 17:20 |
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| sdake | inc0 ddocumenting defaults as a link wfm | 17:20 |
| SamYaple | vhosakot: sdake then the operator has no idea what the default it | 17:21 |
| SamYaple | what if there are three options? | 17:21 |
| vhosakot | sdake: otherwise, the opearator not only has to uncomment, but also find out what non-deafalt value must be used after uncommenting to see new behavior | 17:21 |
| inc0 | I'm -2 for commenting oposites | 17:21 |
| SamYaple | inc0: agreed -2 | 17:21 |
| inc0 | this is now how ini configs works usually | 17:21 |
| SamYaple | we have 2 places where we do it, and that should be fixed | 17:21 |
| sdake | SamYaple please expand | 17:21 |
| inc0 | if operator wants to see a change, it should be because he explicitly changed it | 17:21 |
| SamYaple | sdake: we have two places in globals.yml where we comment opposite, we should correct that | 17:22 |
| sdake | SamYaple i agree its inconsistent | 17:22 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, which ones? I think that was the question;) | 17:22 |
| vhosakot | ah ok | 17:22 |
| sdake | the purpose of this discussion is to come up with the definition of what consistent is | 17:22 |
| SamYaple | as stated several times, the _normal_ way to do this is to have a comment with teh default values | 17:23 |
| sdake | i like the commenting opposite personally | 17:23 |
| inc0 | I think we should have commented defaults of most commonly changed options in globals.yml | 17:23 |
| sdake | but understand inc0's pov | 17:23 |
| inc0 | and point to all.yml | 17:23 |
| pbourke | can we autogen gloabls in the same way as the build conf? | 17:23 |
| vhosakot | let us follow what neutron. nova. glance, etc do for their *.ini files... | 17:23 |
| SamYaple | pbourke: not really. because its not jsut from all.yml | 17:23 |
| SamYaple | pbourke: its _all_ of ansible and that includes some vars set by tasks | 17:23 |
| sdake | vhosakot which is what? | 17:23 |
| pbourke | i see | 17:23 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, and that is commented defaults | 17:24 |
| pbourke | that said it should follow the same convention default wise | 17:24 |
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| sdake | heres the deal, i am super keen to be consistent with other openstack projects | 17:24 |
| SamYaple | then defaults it is | 17:24 |
| vhosakot | sdake: don't know.. need to check... inc0 confirmed that they comment out defaults | 17:24 |
| sdake | ok, then decision made | 17:24 |
| inc0 | when I said everyone else does that, I meant it;) | 17:24 |
| SamYaple | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294392/ | 17:24 |
| SamYaple | that review solves all of this conversation | 17:24 |
| sdake | thanks for that - now we all are on same page re how globals.yml should work :) | 17:25 |
| sdake | I hope folks enforce that | 17:25 |
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| sdake | #topic open discussion | 17:25 |
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| sdake | i am working on getting us to be able to apply for the assert upgrade tags in the governance repo | 17:26 |
| inc0 | duh... | 17:26 |
| inc0 | so this is tricky | 17:26 |
| sdake | it requires alot of change to the governance repo and voting by the tc ;) | 17:26 |
| sdake | but its in progress | 17:26 |
| inc0 | because afaik it's based whether or not we upgrade using grenade | 17:26 |
| sdake | inc0 the governance repo has not seen the end of my change reviews | 17:27 |
| sdake | those documents are not final, they can be modified by anyone in the community | 17:27 |
| inc0 | and well, we do not and never be, nor we should | 17:27 |
| sdake | atm we are stuck on requriement 1: must be a type:service project | 17:27 |
| inc0 | that being said | 17:27 |
| inc0 | we don't really ugrade ourselves per se | 17:27 |
| inc0 | nor support upgrade of kolla | 17:28 |
| inc0 | we just...git reset --hard | 17:28 |
| sdake | inc0 perhaps a new assertion tag is needed | 17:28 |
| inc0 | yeah | 17:28 |
| sdake | inc0 i'll sort it out | 17:28 |
| inc0 | let me know if you need any help | 17:28 |
| sdake | also going on, the vmt requires architecture diagrams | 17:28 |
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| sdake | i do need help wit hthe architecture diagrams | 17:28 |
| sdake | I am using a web service called gliffy for shared document creation | 17:29 |
| sdake | the downside of gliffy is you hae ot pay for it | 17:29 |
| sdake | the upside is documents can be share-edited | 17:29 |
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| sdake | these arch diagrams are needed for the VMT tagging | 17:29 |
| sdake | i create some rough ones and send links out | 17:29 |
| sdake | if people want to help and dont mind paying for gliffy, you can contribute | 17:30 |
| sdake | i know the pay bar sucks | 17:30 |
| sdake | its not meant to exclude people | 17:30 |
| inc0 | google docs are free.. | 17:30 |
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| sdake | I just dont have a bettter way | 17:30 |
| sdake | google docs doesn't diagram | 17:30 |
| pbourke | google slides | 17:30 |
| sdake | anyway meeting time is up | 17:30 |
| sdake | google slides diagramming tools are bad pbourke compared to gliffy | 17:30 |
| sdake | its nto super expensive | 17:30 |
| pbourke | fair enough | 17:31 |
| sdake | 10 bucks a month or something | 17:31 |
| sdake | anyway our time is up | 17:31 |
| sdake | lets overflow into #kolla | 17:31 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 17:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 23 17:31:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-03-23-16.30.html | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-03-23-16.30.txt | 17:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-03-23-16.30.log.html | 17:31 |
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| dougwig | o/ anyone around for networking_lib, or are ya'll sucked into mitaka rc land? | 17:31 |
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| HenryG | I am here | 17:32 |
| HenryG | But I don't have much to talk about | 17:33 |
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| dougwig | ok, then we can punt the formal meeting i'll ping kevin about your pagination review. any eta on a respin of your other patch? | 17:33 |
| HenryG | I can get it up today I think | 17:34 |
| dougwig | ok, i'll be looking forward to that. | 17:34 |
| kevinbenton | oy | 17:34 |
| HenryG | Any plans to switch neutron constants to lib? | 17:34 |
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| dougwig | i'm trying to get the abstracted models up first, then i script that if no one else has. | 17:35 |
| dougwig | /i/i'll/ | 17:35 |
| dougwig | i noted some issues with folks thinking they had to land and release items in lib in order to make progress in neutron, which is not a scenario we want to let people fall into. | 17:35 |
| HenryG | right | 17:36 |
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| dougwig | you did too, but i know you know the issues around that, so i didn't care. :) | 17:36 |
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| HenryG | But it means we will need to have most neutron core code import both neutron constants and neutron_lib constants | 17:38 |
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| HenryG | We should start by getting the usage of lib constants to a point where we can re-enable the deprecation warnings | 17:39 |
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| dougwig | agreed. and i don't have a problem with common.constants staying around for staging, though i know you wanted it gone. | 17:41 |
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| HenryG | That was before your devious python magic | 17:41 |
| dougwig | lol | 17:42 |
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| dougwig | ok, let's switch back to the neutron channel | 17:44 |
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| mriedem | sure, i don't know when those sessions are though | 19:23 |
| raginbajin | We could also use the OSOps repo's for capturing information as well. | 19:23 |
| mriedem | monday? | 19:23 |
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| raginbajin | Throughout the week and some of Friday | 19:23 |
| mriedem | ok | 19:23 |
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| raginbajin | But it's just an idea. I'll raise a couple of question to the list and see what feedback comes out. | 19:24 |
| mriedem | sounds good | 19:24 |
| raginbajin | I'll hopefully have that email out by the weekend to the list. | 19:24 |
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| mdorman | back now. | 19:25 |
| mriedem | raginbajin: note that http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-March/009942.html is already in the ops list | 19:25 |
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| raginbajin | Oh good. I'll reference that as well. | 19:25 |
| raginbajin | Thanks for dropping by. | 19:26 |
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| mriedem | np, i'd like to actually focus more in newton on communication between nova and ops | 19:26 |
| mriedem | so if there are issues from ops, getting those back in front of nova | 19:27 |
| raginbajin | That would be great. That was one of the purposes of the OSOps groups.. Trying to figure out where we can bridge a lot of these ideas. | 19:27 |
| mriedem | e.g. things that a bunch of operators are struggling with or just having to patch themselves and need to integrate into nova | 19:27 |
| raginbajin | Lets see if we can use this to start some discussions during some of these meetings and getting feedback that way. | 19:27 |
| raginbajin | Unless you (mriedem) want to discuss anything else, we'll get those emails out and see if we can start up some discussions and get some ideas going. | 19:29 |
| mriedem | i don't have anything else | 19:29 |
| raginbajin | Cool. I think it's just you and me mdorman | 19:30 |
| anteaya | the meetbot is back | 19:30 |
| anteaya | sorry it took so long | 19:30 |
| klindgren | We worked on getting some patches ops were caring into the tokyo summit | 19:30 |
| klindgren | but bascially I have bee nswamped and dropped the ball on all of that | 19:30 |
| raginbajin | anteaya: no problem.. | 19:30 |
| klindgren | its in an etherpad somewhere of common things more than one had done | 19:30 |
| raginbajin | klindgren: I remember seeing that somewhere and one from the mid-cycle as well. | 19:31 |
| klindgren | #end https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/operator-local-patches | 19:31 |
| klindgren | argh | 19:31 |
| klindgren | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/operator-local-patches | 19:31 |
| klindgren | I think a few things in there are specific to nova | 19:32 |
| klindgren | such as extended validation on hostnames | 19:32 |
| klindgren | always generating the network template into config drive even if the neutron network is set to dhcp | 19:32 |
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| klindgren | some stuff around config drive and live migration - which I think was generally confirmed as new enough nova + new enough libvirt everything was probably resolved | 19:33 |
| raginbajin | So, I think we have to think about how we make this easier for Nova guys to see this and for us to add this from these etherpad's so they get into a state that we can show them what we need | 19:33 |
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| raginbajin | We'll start the discussion on the Ops List and see what we get. Then take these as well as others we have created, and find the best path to get these in front of the necessary teams. | 19:35 |
| raginbajin | The last thing we have was about the updates to the PyPI that was sent around via email for the monitoring-for-openstack repo. | 19:35 |
| mdorman | seems like a good plan. i think the major issue the last few months is just none of us have really had time to push on these things | 19:35 |
| raginbajin | Agreed. We should think about how we make it esaier. | 19:36 |
| klindgren | so re: the monitoring-for-openstack | 19:37 |
| raginbajin | But for the PyPI discussion - The basics was that someone was asking permission or if we could update a particular part of the monitoring-for-openstack repo. | 19:37 |
| klindgren | seems like the guy who created that pypi repo no longer does tuff in the community anymore | 19:37 |
| raginbajin | Ahh | 19:37 |
| klindgren | and dropped it off into our repo when he left | 19:37 |
| klindgren | as near as I can tell | 19:37 |
| klindgren | atleast I remember something like that | 19:38 |
| raginbajin | gotcha. Maybe we need to have some sort of disclaimer in the repo's that talk about that this is not an actively maintaned set of repo's and that it's a central source for finding tools | 19:38 |
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| raginbajin | or we just call this a one off and see if this comes up more. | 19:39 |
| raginbajin | I really just wanted to make sure the group knew about this more than anything. | 19:39 |
| raginbajin | Maybe nothing really needs any action at this ponit. | 19:39 |
| raginbajin | point* | 19:39 |
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| raginbajin | That's the last thing on the list of items.. Unless anyone else has anything else, then that is it for today. | 19:40 |
| mdorman | thanks raginbajin | 19:41 |
| klindgren | so actually re looking - looks like this was done by: Julien Danjou (jd) | 19:41 |
| mriedem | i have a question | 19:41 |
| mriedem | L116 in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/operator-local-patches | 19:41 |
| klindgren | hes still active maybe we can jsut ask him to cut a new release? | 19:41 |
| raginbajin | klindgren: The guy sent in a patch today. and it was approved and pushed | 19:42 |
| raginbajin | so it was done atleast in the repo's | 19:42 |
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| klindgren | mriedem, so all that stuff came from josh - and Y! has bascially stopped doing openstack stuffs except ironic as I understand it | 19:43 |
| mriedem | klindgren: plus harlowja isn't there anymore | 19:44 |
| klindgren | yea hes with us now | 19:44 |
| mriedem | ok, so, ....should the yahoo section be struck through? | 19:44 |
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| mriedem | i remember going through this list at one point | 19:44 |
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| klindgren | bascially everything that was line 93 and above was things that multiple people had done | 19:44 |
| raginbajin | I don't think it should be. They have some interesting ideas that help other groups. | 19:45 |
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| klindgren | or things that people had +1'd next to as in I dont have this but I want it | 19:46 |
| raginbajin | Doesn't sound like there is anything else. Officially I will say that the meeting is over. | 19:47 |
| mriedem | ok, | 19:47 |
| mriedem | i guess rolling the high priority ones up to nova is what i'm looking for in newton | 19:47 |
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| mriedem | might work in with the RFE process proposal | 19:47 |
| raginbajin | #endmeeting | 19:48 |
| raginbajin | even though it wasn't started.. just making sure for the next guy | 19:48 |
| klindgren | yea - and anything thats godaddy related - I can get you patches for | 19:48 |
| klindgren | raginbajin, you so nice | 19:48 |
| raginbajin | :) | 19:48 |
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| mriedem | i'll poke through this list and make notes where possible | 19:51 |
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| rocky_g | anyone here for logging? | 20:01 |
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| rocky_g | ping jokke_ rbradfor dhellmann ? Or did I get the time messed up? | 20:02 |
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| rbradfor | rocky_g, not sure with the TZ change. I'm busy at present for rest for today. | 20:04 |
| rocky_g | rbradfor, thanks. Just an FYI for you. I added you to a review on cross project config spec to replicate nova's efforts across all proj's | 20:05 |
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| JRobinson__ | Good morning, | 21:16 |
| JRobinson__ | First of all apologise to the channel, there User Guide meeting has had a delayed start today, but will begin now | 21:16 |
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| gmolson | Hi Joseph. I'm here. | 21:18 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, hello, the DST change affected my time plan, unfortunately | 21:18 |
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| gmolson | oh... boo. :( | 21:18 |
| rocky_g | o/ | 21:19 |
| gmolson | heads up - I need to head out at the bottom of the hour. | 21:19 |
| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 21:20 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 23 21:20:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:20 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:20 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic CLI chapter | 21:22 |
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| JRobinson__ | So while I try and figure out what time the meeting should be starting now that DST has changed in the US, Well run through the agenda. | 21:22 |
| JRobinson__ | This won't take long though. The first item is the cli chapter. gmolson thanks again for starting this part of the reorg. | 21:23 |
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| JRobinson__ | bernd has taken on moving the second half, which included just the remaining cli common files. | 21:23 |
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| gmolson | Sounds good to figure out a new time. I'm not currently a fan of DST time change. ;) | 21:24 |
| gmolson | No problem - thanks for helping get them integrated. | 21:24 |
| gmolson | Sounds great that Bernd is working on the second half - common cli files. | 21:24 |
| gmolson | I noticed your troubleshooting updates. Nice work! | 21:24 |
| gmolson | That is a good improvement. | 21:24 |
| JRobinson__ | okay, I updated the file tracking table after the patch - | 21:25 |
| JRobinson__ | #info double check the table to ensure no files were missed in the move | 21:25 |
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| gmolson | thanks | 21:26 |
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| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReorganizeUserGuides#File_Tracking_Table | 21:26 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic title change | 21:26 |
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| JRobinson__ | gmolson, thanks, the troubleshooting change is the second last reorg item next to the title change | 21:26 |
| JRobinson__ | Change use of 'Cloud Admin Guide' to change to 'Administrator Guide' | 21:27 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info Change use of 'Cloud Admin Guide' to change to 'Administrator Guide' | 21:27 |
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| JRobinson__ | I will most likely need some help on this to change all the instances. | 21:28 |
| JRobinson__ | Okay, last item | 21:29 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Release Notes Update | 21:29 |
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| JRobinson__ | This is just a notice - I'll also be patching the release notes for the User Guides for Mitaka | 21:29 |
| gmolson | When do the title reference changes need to be complete? | 21:29 |
| JRobinson__ | The large changes are Guides reorganised together, Consistent troubleshooting, Several edits for style and Grammar. | 21:30 |
| JRobinson__ | Open discussion | 21:30 |
| gmolson | saw your update with draft bullets in your note. Looks good to me. | 21:30 |
| JRobinson__ | thanks gmolson, | 21:30 |
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| JRobinson__ | and the title change is going to start today, or early next week. As long as it is complete by the start of April to have all the major changes complete by the release. | 21:31 |
| gmolson | ok | 21:32 |
| gmolson | Not sure how much time I will have to help out. Have some vacation scheduled next week and some ibm deadlines, but will see what I can do to assist. I'll also pass the word to Linette. | 21:32 |
| JRobinson__ | I'll add some of the files changed to the file tracking table, just to keep the changes clear. | 21:32 |
| gmolson | ok | 21:33 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, thanks, it's appreciated :) | 21:33 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Open Discussion | 21:33 |
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| JRobinson__ | So that was all, sorry for the high speed meeting, | 21:34 |
| gmolson | What time is it for now? | 21:34 |
| gmolson | *you now? | 21:34 |
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| JRobinson__ | Right now, 7:34 AM, so the meeting time is an hour earlier in the APAC timezone. | 21:35 |
| JRobinson__ | is it around 3pm in the US? | 21:35 |
| rocky_g | 2:35 in PDT, west coast | 21:35 |
| gmolson | oh geez. my world clock on my phone is saying that it is 8:35 in Sydney. | 21:35 |
| gmolson | it's 4:35 in CST | 21:35 |
| JRobinson__ | rocky_g, thanks, thanks gmolson, that makes sense | 21:36 |
| gmolson | sorry for the early meeting for you :/ | 21:36 |
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| rocky_g | what gmolson said :-( | 21:36 |
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| JRobinson__ | it's okay - it's workable since it's just fortnightly. Weekly might be a struggle | 21:36 |
| gmolson | Hope that you find some coffee (or your morning drink of choice) and have a good day! | 21:36 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, thanks :) | 21:37 |
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| JRobinson__ | also will you and Linette be at the summit in Austin? | 21:37 |
| rocky_g | I'd take a nap for you, but I think it would only help me ;-) | 21:38 |
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| JRobinson__ | rocky_g, ha ha thanks :) | 21:40 |
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| JRobinson__ | anyway gmolson I'll send out an email about title changes. | 21:41 |
| gmolson | sorry - missed your question, Joseph | 21:42 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, no problems | 21:42 |
| gmolson | We are hoping to be, but have not gotten the thumbs up at this point. | 21:42 |
| JRobinson__ | Incidentally, this Friday and next Monday are public holidays in Australia, so most likely early next week for the last updates. | 21:43 |
| gmolson | sounds good on the email with title changes | 21:43 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, okay, | 21:43 |
| gmolson | gotcha, Joseph | 21:43 |
| JRobinson__ | alright, I'll end the meeting for now | 21:43 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 21:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 23 21:44:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-03-23-21.20.html | 21:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-03-23-21.20.txt | 21:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-03-23-21.20.log.html | 21:44 |
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| JRobinson__ | Hello everyone, I'll start the APAC user guide meeting now | 23:34 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 23:39 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 23 23:39:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:39 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:39 |
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| JRobinson__ | okay, so it looks as though APAC attendance is lower than last meeting. | 23:40 |
| JRobinson__ | Just to reiterate for anyone reading the logs or following along: | 23:43 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Create a command line chapter patch update | 23:44 |
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| JRobinson__ | I have contacted the team to discuss this point. | 23:45 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Title change | 23:45 |
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| JRobinson__ | The title and use of "Cloud Admin" for the Cloud Admin guide is set to change to "Administrator Guide" soon. | 23:45 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Release Notes Update | 23:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Notes Update (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 23:45 | |
| JRobinson__ | Changes for the Mitaka release wiill soon be added to the release notes | 23:46 |
| JRobinson__ | Discussion within the team included noting the changes to: | 23:46 |
| JRobinson__ | Admin Guide is now a part of the cloud admin guide | 23:47 |
| JRobinson__ | The cloud admin guide has been renamed | 23:47 |
| JRobinson__ | the administrator guide has consistent troubleshooting headings | 23:47 |
| JRobinson__ | several chapters have had thorough edits to style and grammar to improve readability | 23:48 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic open discussion | 23:48 |
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| JRobinson__ | Having said that, and recorded the discussion points for the meeting minutes, I'll close this short meeting down if there are no questions. | 23:48 |
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| JRobinson__ | okay, thanks everyone | 23:50 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 23:50 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-03-23-23.39.html | 23:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-03-23-23.39.txt | 23:50 |
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