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| nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 14:00 |
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| nikhil | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 5 14:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| tsymanczyk | \o | 14:00 |
| nikhil | hey guys | 14:00 |
| abhishek | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil | let's wait another min | 14:01 |
| mclaren | o/ | 14:01 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:01 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:01 |
| wxy | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil | let's get started | 14:01 |
| nikhil | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
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| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| nikhil | I'd set a few items. Shouldn't take full hour so we can have some open discussion. | 14:02 |
| nikhil | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
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| nikhil | #info Updates, upcoming events and more awareness http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093703.html | 14:02 |
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| nikhil | That;s the ML thread describing our checkpoints through the first part of cycle | 14:03 |
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| nikhil | I wanted to give people a chance to raise concerns, if any | 14:03 |
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| nikhil | calling 1 | 14:03 |
| nikhil | calling 2 | 14:03 |
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| nikhil | calling 3 | 14:03 |
| nikhil | ok, none | 14:04 |
| nikhil | So, let's think about our spec freeze | 14:04 |
| nikhil | I wanted to try out a spec-soft-freeze on R16 (midcycle) | 14:04 |
| nikhil | basically at this point we will filter out the specs that are likely going to be completed in newton | 14:05 |
| nikhil | then a spec-hard-freeze on R-10 | 14:05 |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:05 |
| nikhil | that will require any outstanding specs to request FFE and we will likely have none but sometimes one or two | 14:05 |
| nikhil | it should give 5 weeks for reviewing the code, bug fixing, release stuff | 14:06 |
| mclaren | what's r10? | 14:06 |
| nikhil | any concerns on that? | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | sounds reasonable | 14:06 |
| nikhil | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 14:06 |
| tsymanczyk | r10 is jul 25-29 | 14:06 |
| nikhil | the weeks are listed in that schedule using a number 'n' against release weeks | 14:07 |
| nikhil | again, the code can still get in till newton-3 where we will have a code-hard-freeze | 14:07 |
| nikhil | as a standard openstack practice | 14:07 |
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| nikhil | then use RCs as a way to strengthen the release | 14:08 |
| * sigmavirus24 apologizes for being late | 14:08 | |
| nikhil | if nothing, I will move on and get those dates listed on the release schedule | 14:08 |
| nikhil | one more thing: | 14:09 |
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| nikhil | please let me know soon on your mid-cycle plans as the logitical, travel, etc. planning is not trivial | 14:09 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:10 |
| nikhil | #topic Finalize process for lite-specs | 14:10 |
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| nikhil | our current process is not documented | 14:10 |
| nikhil | also, people are proposing against the lite specs repo | 14:10 |
| nikhil | and we currently have no way to refer back to those lite specs | 14:11 |
| nikhil | I wanted to propose this: | 14:11 |
| nikhil | 1. move lite specs under their separate folder in glance-specs repo | 14:11 |
| nikhil | 2. each lite spec has it's own file | 14:11 |
| nikhil | 3. code patches for those specs refer the lite-spec url optimistically | 14:12 |
| nikhil | for example | 14:12 |
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| nikhil | when someone is proposing a lite-spec they will choose the file name for it | 14:12 |
| nikhil | so they can anticipate where the spec is going to land | 14:13 |
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| nikhil | in this case the proposal was "buffered-reader-for-swift-driver" | 14:13 |
| nikhil | so the spec showed up on http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/specs/newton/approved/glance_store/buffered-reader-for-swift-driver.html | 14:13 |
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| nikhil | objections? | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | (need a few minutes to think) | 14:14 |
| nikhil | sure | 14:14 |
| bunting | So what makes this any different to a full spec? | 14:14 |
| hemanthm | just the content I believe | 14:14 |
| nikhil | yep | 14:14 |
| nikhil | having a separate file removes merge conflicts | 14:15 |
| hemanthm | I like it better than the current process | 14:15 |
| mclaren | I'm kinda -1 on lite-specs in general (but I realise that's not what's being asked) | 14:15 |
| nikhil | mclaren: 😃 | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | mclaren: say some more | 14:15 |
| nikhil | mclaren: how about we try to make the process faster (with a few experiments) | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | nikhil: my charset can't disply whatever symbol you typed | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | (unless it was a question mark inside a diamond) | 14:16 |
| nikhil | ok, yeah. I'd ask for info rather than presume based on implicit input! | 14:16 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: it was a smiley | 14:16 |
| nikhil | :) | 14:16 |
| mclaren | we're going to end up with release notes, commit messages, docs and lite-specs which will probably have a fair amount of duplication | 14:17 |
| nikhil | (but with extra semi-colon) | 14:17 |
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| nikhil | release notes are bit independent from the lite-specs | 14:17 |
| mclaren | but I'm happy to trial whatever folks want, I don't mind | 14:17 |
| nikhil | but I agree there is a likelihood of duplication | 14:18 |
| bunting | Just to get this clear, if I have a spec i want to propose, there would be no difference except the amount of boxes I have to fill in? | 14:18 |
| nikhil | to faster things up was one of the idea for a drivers' meeting but I guess that did not work (ETOOMANTMEETINGS) | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | bunting: are you anticipating that everyone will file lite specs from now on? | 14:19 |
| nikhil | bunting: for lite-spec you do not need a BP, you need may be feedback from just 2 cores whereas the specs are about feedback from as many cores as possible and then +W from PTL/liaison | 14:19 |
| bunting | It just seems the process is basicly the same, why don't we just make more option optional on a regular spec? | 14:20 |
| nikhil | we have redacted on the process for specs already | 14:20 |
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| nikhil | at this point only API impact, security oriented and new functionalities are required to have specs | 14:21 |
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| nikhil | lite-specs are about making sure the service behavior is consistent with it's constructs, original use cases (so that stakeholders inproduction are not affected), and to help those who don't have access to a large scale infra for testing, CI or staging/prod environments where things behave tenatively | 14:22 |
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| nikhil | bottom line -- lite specs are knowledge sharing, awareness for across openstack ecosystem and ability to understand the direction of a program without diving into commit messages | 14:23 |
| nikhil | ok, we've spent enough time on this topic | 14:23 |
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| nikhil | we can continue during open discussion or after the meeting on #openstack-glance | 14:24 |
| bunting | nikhil: sure | 14:24 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:24 |
| nikhil | #topic What is this config option intended for https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/scrubber.py#L36-L38 ? (hemanthm) | 14:24 |
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| hemanthm | yep, that's me | 14:24 |
| hemanthm | I was working on config opts and I just wanted to get a better feel of why that opt was introduced | 14:25 |
| hemanthm | does anyone remember/know? | 14:25 |
| mclaren | my guess | 14:25 |
| hemanthm | operators being able to recover image data for customers who delete images accidentally is one I could think of | 14:25 |
| mclaren | is the amount of time which needs to elapse before an image in pending_delete is deleted | 14:25 |
| hemanthm | mclaren: +1 but do you know what purpose is it serving? | 14:26 |
| nikhil | mclaren: was someone actually using it? | 14:26 |
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| mclaren | yeah, we switched it on in our cloud | 14:26 |
| mclaren | I think everything is probably deleted by this point :-) | 14:26 |
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| hemanthm | simply put, as an operator why would I want to use this config opt? | 14:27 |
| nikhil | ah, what would be a ideal/average delay you would say? | 14:27 |
| mclaren | we did have an idea that we could recover mistakenly deleted images | 14:27 |
| mclaren | I'm not sure we ever actually did such a recovery | 14:27 |
| nikhil | I see | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | also, isn't the image record deleted at this point, i.e., all the additionalProperties are non-recoverable? | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | i mean by normal API means | 14:28 |
| nikhil | my guess was that if you had a volume attached or a NFS system you could do a routine maintanence for the system to preserve the images | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | the stuff is in the DB, but you have to muck around in there to resurrect the full image record | 14:28 |
| nikhil | mclaren: should we assume that people are not using it? | 14:29 |
| mclaren | right so the data and metadata experience would be equivalent | 14:29 |
| hemanthm | nikhil: we use it too | 14:29 |
| nikhil | oh ok | 14:29 |
| hemanthm | I don't know how many folks are actually using scrubber | 14:30 |
| nikhil | ok, do we have all the answers? | 14:30 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: ? | 14:31 |
| hemanthm | hmmm, not sure | 14:31 |
| nikhil | we're running short of time, btw | 14:31 |
| hemanthm | ok, we can take it offline | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | hemanthm: maybe propose to deprecated that option in your patch | 14:31 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: if we have specific questions, I think that would help | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | guess that should be a different patch, though | 14:32 |
| mclaren | what's the motivation to deprecate? | 14:32 |
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| nikhil | no use | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | well, it seems pretty useless | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | we should remove, or add more support | 14:32 |
| hemanthm | simply put, as an operator why would I want to use this config opt? | 14:32 |
| hemanthm | nikhil: ^ that was my question | 14:32 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: ok. so, we need to take that to the operators' ML. we are likely not to get answers here. | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | i think fei long floated the idea of an undelete admin call a few cycles ago, but it was voted down | 14:33 |
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| nikhil | hemanthm I can ask IBM folks, next week | 14:33 |
| hemanthm | thanks nikhil | 14:33 |
| nikhil | ok, moving on | 14:33 |
| nikhil | #topic Image upload to specific backend https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310970/ (wxy or nikhil) | 14:33 |
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| nikhil | so, we decided during the summit that we are not going to expose "which glance stores are configured for glance deployment" | 14:34 |
| mclaren | if someone hacks your db to set pending_delete it may be useful to not delete everything straight away? | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | mclaren: you already have the scrubber interval | 14:34 |
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| rosmaita | this is in addition to that | 14:35 |
| mclaren | ok, but this is per image? the scrubber interval could fire straight away | 14:35 |
| hemanthm | ++ mclaren | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | i really think zhi added this for the undelete call that didn't happen | 14:35 |
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| nikhil | guys we need to take this offline | 14:36 |
| nikhil | (the topic has changed btw) | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | sorry | 14:36 |
| nikhil | so, as per agreement: how will I know which stores (are configured and thus) to upload the image to | 14:37 |
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| nikhil | also, the store configuration are supposed to be opaque from users' perspective | 14:37 |
| nikhil | and that could potentially change indeterministically | 14:37 |
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| nikhil | the feedback asks for admin only way | 14:38 |
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| nikhil | what's the feeling here? | 14:38 |
| hemanthm | is there a specific use-case for uploading to a particular store? | 14:38 |
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| mclaren | there seemed to be interest at the summit | 14:39 |
| nikhil | I asked for it on the lite spec | 14:39 |
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| nikhil | mclaren: from ops? | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | hemanthm: maybe snapshots to cheap slow store, public images to fast store | 14:39 |
| mclaren | I'm a bit uncomfortable with the leaky abstraction side of this | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | mclaren: +1 | 14:39 |
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| mclaren | Do swift have something like storage policies? | 14:39 |
| nikhil | mclaren: +1M | 14:39 |
| hemanthm | ++ mclaren | 14:39 |
| mclaren | which expose the idea of different backends, but without exposing the 'internals'? | 14:40 |
| nikhil | good point | 14:40 |
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| nikhil | mclaren: do you mind starting discussion on that thread on the lite-spec? | 14:41 |
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| nikhil | (as I do not see wxy here today) | 14:41 |
| nikhil | (or he's hiding) | 14:41 |
| djkonro | nikhil: Hello | 14:42 |
| nikhil | djkonro: hello | 14:42 |
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| nikhil | aight, let's take this on the spec. (no movement on the question here) | 14:43 |
| mclaren | I think it's possible I may not have any upstream cycles for the forseable future | 14:43 |
| nikhil | wat! | 14:43 |
| wxy | I'm here. But for my poor English, I don't want waste your guys time. Just as nikhil said, point out this question and we can't discuess it through the lite-spec.:) | 14:43 |
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| wxy | s/ can't/can | 14:43 |
| mclaren | some internal stuff going on | 14:44 |
| nikhil | wxy: ah hey, yeah let's chat more on lite-spec. we're a bit short on time too. | 14:44 |
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| nikhil | mclaren: that's a bummer. we need to chat offline on this! | 14:44 |
| mclaren | sure | 14:44 |
| nikhil | but for wxy's concern , I can start that discussion on the lite spec proxy mclaren | 14:45 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:45 |
| nikhil | #topic community_images_newton.__init__(assigned=tsymancz1k, cores_involved=[rosmaita, nikhil]) | 14:45 |
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| nikhil | tsymanczyk: rosmaita : floor is yours | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | tsymanczyk has been working on updating the spec | 14:45 |
| tsymanczyk | at this point i'm working on incorporating the existing feedback to the spec. | 14:45 |
| tsymanczyk | i'm afraid i don't have an overall understanding that's ... sufficient to have opinions of my own. yet. | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | i guess my main question is whether the hierarchical stuff affects what we do here | 14:46 |
| nikhil | I see | 14:46 |
| nikhil | My main design point on hierarchical stuff was visibility | 14:47 |
| nikhil | so, the answer is 'may be' | 14:47 |
| mclaren | does the hierarchical stuff affect community sharing more that the existing peer-to-peer sharing? | 14:47 |
| mclaren | that/than | 14:47 |
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| rosmaita | mclaren: i think so, in that we introduce these new visibility values | 14:48 |
| nikhil | I doubt that, but depends on how keen and in what way we plan to clean visibility semantics | 14:48 |
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| rosmaita | the problem i see is that you could have public, private, protected | 14:49 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: I see. so the refactor around visibility is something that may affect. | 14:49 |
| nikhil | (rosmaita: please keep going) | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | i may need to write this up in an etherpad | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | i don't think i have a one-minute explanation of what's bothering me | 14:50 |
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| nikhil | ok :) | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | i will take an action item to do tha | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | t | 14:50 |
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| nikhil | tsymanczyk: we (all of us) can chat offline on the architecture stuff | 14:51 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: ok, thanks. | 14:51 |
| tsymanczyk | ok | 14:51 |
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| nikhil | #action rosmaita to open a etherpad to discuss changes for visibilty flags | 14:51 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:52 |
| nikhil | #topic image import: implementation feedback ( mclaren ) | 14:52 |
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| nikhil | mclaren: we are short of time, so we can go with your topic first | 14:52 |
| mclaren | ok, thanks | 14:52 |
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| mclaren | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312653/ | 14:53 |
| mclaren | I've a bunch of questions on that patch | 14:53 |
| mclaren | it might be a bit moot, but if folks can have a look and comment that would be appreciated | 14:53 |
| nikhil | thanks for breaking them down! | 14:53 |
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| mclaren | np, it's the easy stuff so far... | 14:54 |
| nikhil | so my main worry with re-using existing task stuff is that the admin API and import API overlap at some point | 14:54 |
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| mclaren | what's the admin api? | 14:55 |
| nikhil | basically, an can start running a task for an image (say stored in users' container) | 14:55 |
| nikhil | mclaren: the task api is the admin (task) API | 14:56 |
| nikhil | as it used to be the (former) import API, I want to avoid overloading that term | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | mclaren: the default is admins only use it in mitaka, i believe | 14:56 |
| nikhil | correct | 14:56 |
| nikhil | s/an can/ an admin can/ | 14:57 |
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| nikhil | 3 mins to go | 14:57 |
| mclaren | I'm done | 14:57 |
| nikhil | thanks! | 14:57 |
| nikhil | #topic open discussion | 14:57 |
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| nikhil | I'd a chat with flwang yday on | 14:58 |
| nikhil | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1528453 | 14:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1528453 in Glance "Provide a ranking mechanism for glance-api to order locations" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Jake Yip (waipengyip) | 14:58 |
| nikhil | I need some input on: do people this this is a good idea or bad? is someone else using it in production? | 14:58 |
| nikhil | my feeling was that glance shouldn't bother with the values of the metadata | 14:59 |
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| nikhil | as it does not bother with values of the build_flags or licensing info | 14:59 |
| nikhil | that should be done on the user side | 14:59 |
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| rosmaita | i thought there was already some kind of strategy for this? | 14:59 |
| nikhil | the patch associated with it is linked in the bug in my comment | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | that you can configure? | 14:59 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: good point, I do not know if there's overlap though | 15:00 |
| nikhil | worth investigating | 15:00 |
| nikhil | and we're out of time | 15:00 |
| nikhil | thanks all for joining! | 15:00 |
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| nikhil | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 5 15:00:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-05-05-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-05-05-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-05-05-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
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| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 5 15:01:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
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| TravT | o/ | 15:01 |
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| lei-zh | o/ | 15:02 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:02 |
| sjmc7 | morning | 15:02 |
| TravT | light crowd today | 15:02 |
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| rosmaita | but high-quality | 15:02 |
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| yingjun | Hi | 15:03 |
| TravT | yes | 15:03 |
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| TravT | agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
| lakshmiS_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| TravT | #topic summit notes | 15:03 |
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| TravT | in case you didn't see | 15:04 |
| TravT | i sent out notes to the ml | 15:04 |
| TravT | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093861.html | 15:04 |
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| TravT | I forgot to mention the most critical part... rosmaita brought pie | 15:04 |
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| sjmc7 | :) | 15:05 |
| TravT | It was really great to meet you in person yingjun | 15:05 |
| yingjun | me too | 15:05 |
| TravT | i feel quite honored to have bought you your first american beer | 15:06 |
| yingjun | :) | 15:06 |
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| yingjun | nice beer, thank you | 15:06 |
| TravT | okay, so, out of those notes, there are a couple things to talk about, i think. | 15:06 |
| TravT | #topic Nova Cells v2 List API Proposed to be backed by Searchlight | 15:07 |
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| TravT | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093716.html | 15:07 |
| TravT | jump to the section on pagination | 15:07 |
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| TravT | item 4 under the pagination section | 15:08 |
| TravT | i'll paste here | 15:08 |
| TravT | 4. Use the OpenStack Searchlight project for doing massive queries like | 15:08 |
| TravT | this. This would be optional for a cell of one but recommended/required | 15:08 |
| TravT | for anyone running multiple cells. The downside to this is it's a new | 15:08 |
| TravT | dependency, and requires Elasticsearch (but many deployments are | 15:08 |
| TravT | probably already running an ELK stack for monitoring their logs). It's | 15:08 |
| TravT | also unclear at an early stage how easy this would be to integrate into | 15:08 |
| TravT | Nova. Plus deployers would need to setup Searchlight to listen to | 15:08 |
| TravT | notifications emitted from Nova so the indexes are updated in ES. It is, | 15:09 |
| TravT | however, arguably a better tool for the job than Nova trying to deal | 15:09 |
| TravT | with filtering and sorting with python. There is general agreement | 15:09 |
| TravT | within the core team that this is the path forward, but it's going to | 15:09 |
| TravT | require investigation and testing before we get a better idea of how | 15:09 |
| TravT | feasible this is. | 15:09 |
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| TravT | i think this is really important for us to support this effort | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | yep | 15:11 |
| TravT | and a big part / perhaps the main thing is for us to work on the versioned notifications | 15:12 |
| yingjun | great, but not sure how will cell v2 integration with searchlight | 15:12 |
| TravT | well, that's essentially the task in front of us | 15:13 |
| TravT | to help figure that out | 15:13 |
| TravT | i sent a response to the ML | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | i am kind of concerned about the mix of internal and user-facing data here | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | but maybe i am missing hte point | 15:14 |
| TravT | this is only meant for instances | 15:14 |
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| sjmc7 | take a seat, lyle. at the front. | 15:14 |
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| TravT | if you look at this message at the very bottom | 15:14 |
| TravT | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093657.html | 15:14 |
| TravT | 4) Have all instance listing operations in the Compute API proxy to a | 15:14 |
| TravT | call to Project Searchlight and ElasticSearch to handle the cross-cell | 15:14 |
| TravT | queries against the instance and instance update (task) information. | 15:14 |
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| rosmaita | i guess the idea is that the api db won't have a lot of hte data, and instead of calling out to hte cell dbs, just let searchlight listen to notifications, and then use the searchlight index | 15:15 |
| rosmaita | (ok, you already answered while i was typing) | 15:15 |
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| sjmc7 | i think yeah, there are now multiple DBs and they don’t want to have to aggregate them | 15:15 |
| rosmaita | ok, concern withdrawn | 15:15 |
| david-lyle | all list API calls or just cells? | 15:16 |
| TravT | yes, they don't have a solution for querying across them that supports sorting, filtering, pagination | 15:16 |
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| sjmc7 | it would be unnecessary for single cell, but depends how they want to do it i guess | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | they will have to support *something* for both single and cross cell cases in the absence of SL, it just might not be as good | 15:17 |
| TravT | david-lyle: this one is the better one to read | 15:17 |
| TravT | 09:07 TravT: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093716.html | 15:17 |
| TravT | 09:07 TravT: jump to the section on pagination | 15:17 |
| TravT | this youtube video was helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sieza5iMBXY | 15:18 |
| david-lyle | well that would help adoption :) | 15:18 |
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| TravT | david-lyle: yeah, i would think so | 15:18 |
| TravT | but basically, the direction they are going is that they want cells to be THE way that nova is deployed | 15:19 |
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| TravT | got dropped | 15:20 |
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| sjmc7 | :) | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | tough audience | 15:21 |
| TravT | :) | 15:21 |
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| TravT | So, sjmc7 and I think that the most critical part of us supporting this is the versioned notifications | 15:22 |
| TravT | there is an ML thread on that | 15:22 |
| TravT | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093962.html | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | more accurately, i think it’s really important we stop hitting the API every notification | 15:23 |
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| TravT | yes (our whole fishbowl session) :) | 15:23 |
| sjmc7 | and versioned notifications seem tio be the way we can get extra data into the notifications | 15:23 |
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| TravT | but as a part of that, we also need to make sure we have the ability to return the correct version of the data | 15:23 |
| TravT | as nova has a versioned api | 15:24 |
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| david-lyle | so we'll have to map the object to the requested version? | 15:24 |
| TravT | not entirely sure yet... | 15:24 |
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| sjmc7 | *shudder* | 15:24 |
| TravT | don't know if we'll just index 1 version | 15:24 |
| david-lyle | and also support specifying a version filter per request | 15:24 |
| TravT | or need to index more than one | 15:24 |
| TravT | so, part of the versioned notification work is a schema that nova will provide | 15:25 |
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| TravT | that in theory will allow us to drive data mapping | 15:25 |
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| TravT | and can be used for creating the object version | 15:25 |
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| david-lyle | so nova does the object version munging ? | 15:25 |
| TravT | so, i got slammed with a bunch of things early this week and haven't been able to go through all the related specs yet | 15:26 |
| david-lyle | request -> nova -> searchlight -> nova -> object versioning -> reply | 15:26 |
| TravT | yeah, that's the question to be answered. | 15:27 |
| david-lyle | that would be best rather than duplicate logic | 15:27 |
| TravT | if they expect all versions to be supported | 15:27 |
| TravT | that's interesting david | 15:27 |
| TravT | if multiple versions are to be supported, i like that concept | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, that’s an interesting option. that might require us to index exactly as nova does in its DB | 15:28 |
| lakshmiS_ | Which will have security implications if user goes to SL for same data | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | or at least exactly as a particular version (probably the latest one) looks. but that might be much better than us doing it | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | i guess we need to talk to them more | 15:29 |
| david-lyle | sjmc7: or just provide the relevant fields and nova translates | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | but first thing is supporting the versioned stuff at all | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | yeah | 15:29 |
| TravT | yeah, i attended the nova cells meeting yesterday, but stayed invisible | 15:29 |
| TravT | too many things going on | 15:29 |
| TravT | but my impression was that everybody is catching up from the summit and discussions can begin in earnest next week | 15:30 |
| TravT | I think there are several possibilities | 15:30 |
| TravT | 1) david's idea | 15:30 |
| TravT | 2) we configure to index a certain version | 15:30 |
| TravT | 3) we index multiple versions and store the version as a field we filter on | 15:31 |
| TravT | we have a blueprint now | 15:32 |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/nova-versioned-notifications | 15:32 |
| TravT | from our side | 15:32 |
| TravT | i think i'll turn that into a spec | 15:32 |
| TravT | because this got complicated | 15:32 |
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| TravT | i'm also curious if we should make this higher priority (currently high)... maybe essential? | 15:34 |
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| sjmc7 | it is dependent on nova actually implementing it | 15:34 |
| TravT | yes, that is true | 15:34 |
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| TravT | but, we should do everything on our part to support it, i think | 15:35 |
| yingjun | does sl support listening multiple notification topics at the same time? cause the versioned notification topic is hard coded | 15:35 |
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| sjmc7 | it can do | 15:36 |
| TravT | https://github.com/openstack/searchlight/blob/725862a637d4cdf09901a52929453bdde02e3558/searchlight/elasticsearch/plugins/base.py#L42 | 15:36 |
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| TravT | each plugin can configure its own. | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | we’d need to support pools i think | 15:37 |
| yingjun | but for nova plugin, can i config both versioned_notification and searchlight_indexer? | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | i haven’t tested it, but in theory yes. it might get a bit confusing | 15:37 |
| TravT | maybe we'd actually have two plugins | 15:37 |
| TravT | you can enable versioned or you can enable legacy | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | urgh | 15:38 |
| sjmc7 | maybe in that case we should fix the issue we currently have (not slamming the API) with the existing notifications | 15:39 |
| TravT | because I'm not sure versioned notifications are guaranteed to be enabled either. | 15:39 |
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| yingjun | actually when i was testing the hypervisor plugin, i have to make this to notifications_topic to versioned_notification, so it only listen the versioned one | 15:39 |
| yingjun | so the instance notifications are not received at all | 15:40 |
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| TravT | sjmc7 i'm okay with that. | 15:41 |
| TravT | you have a blueprint it seems and i also filed something. | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, there’s no legacy notifications going forward | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | we could just make the call that we only support versioned ones | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | so deployers should set it to versioned or both | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | little bit wary of us unnecessarily complicating testing | 15:42 |
| TravT | sjmc7, i'd rather first consider marking it deprecated until we understand all the ramifications of dropping the old | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | well right now we can’t drop it :) | 15:43 |
| TravT | so, we don't have to "support" it | 15:43 |
| TravT | but it is available for deployers who want to say upgrade horizon and use SL.... | 15:43 |
| TravT | i don't know | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | if it’s in the 1.0 release it becomes a burden | 15:43 |
| TravT | need to think about it as part of this work with versioned notifications | 15:43 |
| TravT | see what comes of them | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | the only reason i bring it up is that if we are gonna support it we need to decide how to cope with the missing data | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | if we put oureggs in the versioned basket we maybe don't | 15:44 |
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| TravT | yeah, fair point | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | dunno how we decide :) | 15:44 |
| TravT | i think we need to dig into the versioned notifications more | 15:44 |
| TravT | yingjun | 15:44 |
| TravT | wasn't ignoring what you said above | 15:45 |
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| sjmc7 | just to be clear right now they aren’t written for instances (nor is the spec approved yet) | 15:45 |
| yingjun | yeah | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | but yeah, we can gaze into the future a little | 15:45 |
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| TravT | i know... jay was insistent that it will get done this release. which he can't guarantee, but i'd like to work optimistically towards that direction since it will happen at some point. | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | yep | 15:46 |
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| TravT | yingjun: you have the most direct investigation at this point due to your hypervisor work | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | so one conversation we can have is what we do to avoid hammering the API with the existing notifications, because there’s no guarantee we’ll get more fields in newton even with versioned notifications | 15:46 |
| TravT | yingjun would you be able to also look at the | 15:47 |
| TravT | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093962.html | 15:47 |
| yingjun | sure | 15:47 |
| TravT | and regarding the dual listener thing, if that is a bug or needs a blueprint, please file and let's figure it out | 15:47 |
| sjmc7 | i’ll need some convincing on that | 15:48 |
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| TravT | sjmc7: looks like i filed a twin bug to your bp | 15:49 |
| TravT | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1577947 | 15:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577947 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Disable intermediate instance action callbacks in Nova" [Undecided,New] | 15:49 |
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| sjmc7 | the more the merrier | 15:50 |
| TravT | rosmaita: lakshmiS_ yingjun david-lyle any thoughts on | 15:50 |
| TravT | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1577947 & https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/optionally-disable-some-events | 15:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577947 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Disable intermediate instance action callbacks in Nova" [Undecided,New] | 15:50 |
| TravT | sjmc7, i think what you suggest makes sense. just a simple config for events to ignore. | 15:51 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, that only halfway solves it though | 15:52 |
| TravT | then it can be tuned in the field. | 15:52 |
| rosmaita | my feedback is that this can be independent of the versioned notification payloads | 15:52 |
| david-lyle | so 1577947 you just ignore certain events? | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | ultimately i still feel pretty strongly we need to not hit APIs at all | 15:52 |
| TravT | i think that possibly would be another configurable option | 15:52 |
| TravT | notification_data_only | 15:53 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, we’ve argued it forever :) | 15:53 |
| david-lyle | seems reasonable as long as error states are caught and updated | 15:53 |
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| TravT | we could first implement as a nova only thing | 15:53 |
| TravT | then generalize if needed | 15:53 |
| rosmaita | makes sense, nova is the most chatty of the services | 15:54 |
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| TravT | alright should i delete the bug of the BP? | 15:55 |
| TravT | any preference? | 15:55 |
| yingjun | agree with the configurable option | 15:55 |
| sjmc7 | i would still like (we’re out of time now, but sometime) to see what it looks like if we cut out API calls entirely. the reason i’m so against it is that it makes deployment configuration much harder | 15:55 |
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| sjmc7 | but i will say no more now | 15:55 |
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| TravT | okay, i'll prioritize one of the two up and delete the other. | 15:56 |
| TravT | also, given this is all around pagination | 15:57 |
| TravT | i was previously blocked on using server side pagination in the searchlight-ui due to the magic search widget's integration with smart table (horizon stuff). I think that is out of the way now, so i'm going to look at making that change. | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | that’ll be a good change | 15:58 |
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| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/searchlight-ui-pagination-scrolling | 15:58 |
| TravT | okay, we are out of time. | 15:58 |
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| TravT | please if you have time look into the versioned notifications to understand it better so we can work towards this effectively. | 15:59 |
| TravT | i appreciate all your time today! | 15:59 |
| rosmaita | go team! | 15:59 |
| TravT | and comment on the specs already up if you can | 15:59 |
| TravT | :) | 15:59 |
| TravT | rosmaita might even bring more pie in the future | 16:00 |
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| TravT | okay, adios! | 16:00 |
| TravT | #endvote | 16:00 |
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| TravT | or something like that | 16:00 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 5 16:00:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-05-05-15.01.html | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-05-05-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-05-05-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 5 16:03:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible' | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Rollcall & Agenda | 16:03 |
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| spotz | \o/ | 16:03 |
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| mrhillsman | \o/ | 16:04 |
| d34dh0r53 | o/ | 16:04 |
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| evrardjp | o? | 16:05 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 16:05 |
| jmccrory_ | o/ | 16:05 |
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| prometheanfire | o7 | 16:05 |
| b3rnard0 | \o/ | 16:05 |
| ametts | o/ | 16:05 |
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| eil397 | o/ | 16:06 |
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| * mhayden woots | 16:06 | |
| spotz | b3rnard0: !!!!:) | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | Welcome back everyone - hope you all enjoyed the summit and have sufficiently recovered. :) | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-04-21-16.02.html | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | ^ minutes from the last meeting | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | #action carried item: odyssey4me to add review for the collection of IRR job logs | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | The rest of the action items were completed. | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Cleanup of Appendix section in docs | 16:09 |
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| odyssey4me | evrardjp over to you | 16:09 |
| evrardjp | thanks | 16:09 |
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| evrardjp | it's simple: this page http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/install-guide/app-configfiles.html | 16:09 |
| evrardjp | brought confusion in the past | 16:09 |
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| evrardjp | because the configuration explained in openstack_user_config.yml isn't what was fully described in the rest of the docs page | 16:10 |
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| evrardjp | My suggestion: Stop using these examples | 16:10 |
| evrardjp | Actions points on this: Remove these examples, and adapt (when necessary) the doc | 16:11 |
| evrardjp | Impact: We don't have to worry about these useless files that we carry | 16:11 |
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| evrardjp | No other impact, at least for now? What's your opinion? | 16:12 |
| palendae | So I think having example files is useful in order to give full context | 16:12 |
| palendae | In-line snippets in docs can lose stuff like indentation, which people have had problems with before | 16:12 |
| Zucan | I wonder if it needs to be tailored more towards "use cases" with some example configs associated with use scases. | 16:12 |
| palendae | e.g. network information being under global_ovrrides | 16:13 |
| palendae | But I agree that carrying *two* things is a bad idea | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | I fully agree. I've made my thoughts on duplicated documentation quite clear previously. A previous discussion about this resulted in https://review.openstack.org/291310 which removed the networking config example and moves it into docs. I would like to see more of that. | 16:13 |
| michaelgugino | ++ | 16:13 |
| palendae | This did come up at summit, that we carry example files for specfic gate scenarios | 16:13 |
| evrardjp | palendae the context for examples is already a part of another of my commits, however insisting on the indentation wasn't | 16:13 |
| evrardjp | good point there | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | palendae with use-cases defined properly I will support example configs - but those examples will be used by the gate and therefore properly maintained | 16:14 |
| palendae | evrardjp: If the examples can provide at least the headers that the secction is indented under, that's good | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | so if I push this goog practice, are we ok for removing the files from the doc ? | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | also the config files should not explain things, that's what docs are for - they're simply samples | 16:14 |
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| palendae | odyssey4me: Sure, I'm not for having prose in example configs, or full configs in prose | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | ok | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | another point of context is that we discussed much of this at length in the summit session https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-newton-role-docs | 16:15 |
| palendae | And if they're maintained configs, that's cool | 16:15 |
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| palendae | People learn in different ways, and having only the prose with isolate segments would be confusing for me | 16:15 |
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| odyssey4me | but for the moment, evrardjp if you'd like to move ahead then please do - it'll take some time for the docs work to come to fruition and the changes you put in will likely merge before they really take full effect | 16:16 |
| evrardjp | that's why we have a conversation palendae , good to know | 16:16 |
| palendae | Yeah, I won't/can't block it, just sharing my view | 16:16 |
| evrardjp | let's try and we'll see, nobody seems against the principle | 16:16 |
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| odyssey4me | palendae the general drive is that the roles should largely be self documenting by good commenting in the defaults files | 16:16 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: Yeah, that's fair | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | the docs then simply include the defaults files | 16:16 |
| palendae | Yep | 16:17 |
| palendae | I liked that example | 16:17 |
| palendae | I seem to be in the minority, worth hearing a different view of it at least | 16:17 |
| spotz | Worst comes to worse we do a few folks don't like it and we try something new | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | also the tests done in the roles are supported by documentation which describes the design implemented, and provides included config files to show the example | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | that's the bit we need to work on asap | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | we need to figure out how practical it is to do that | 16:18 |
| evrardjp | we took 16% of the meeting with this conversation, let's move on :D | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | lol, ok - moving on | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Newton Summit Retrospective | 16:19 |
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| spotz | I thought it went well, lot of new faces | 16:19 |
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| odyssey4me | I'll try to put my thoughts together and publish a blog post before the next meeting. | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | Any comments/thoughts/questions? | 16:20 |
| michaelgugino | no | 16:21 |
| evrardjp | I'll wait for the blog post then | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | alright, moving on | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Release Planning and Decisions | 16:22 |
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| odyssey4me | Kilo 11.2.15 has just been tagged | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | Does anyone know of any reason not to tag Mitaka 13.0.2 and Liberty 12.0.12 today? | 16:23 |
| evrardjp | None | 16:23 |
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| odyssey4me | I mean, besides https://review.openstack.org/309511 not merging yet. :p | 16:24 |
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| odyssey4me | now that it's passed the gate, please can I get some core reviews on that | 16:24 |
| prometheanfire | :P | 16:24 |
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| odyssey4me | jmccrory automagically cloudnull d34dh0r53 stevelle mattt hughsaunders andymccr ^ | 16:24 |
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| cloudnull | odyssey4me: done | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | ok, moving on - I'll request the tags later | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Support | 16:27 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-newton-ubuntu16-04 | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | need another review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286282/ | 16:28 |
| michaelgugino | I'm working on galera_server as we speak | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino thanks - please assign it to yourself under the 'SystemD Support work item | 16:28 |
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| cloudnull | I've got much of the systemd init bits worked out, i'd be happy to throw up an initial review for the os.* roles. | 16:29 |
| michaelgugino | ok. I plan on doing galera_client this week (as it will be needed by galera_server) | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | if someone already has something on that too, maybe we can combine efforts and tackle it across the OS roles | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull cool - can you assign yourself to the roles in the etherpad to ensure that everyone else is aware that you're on it | 16:30 |
| michaelgugino | rabbitmq 16.04 support after jimmy's patch hits | 16:30 |
| evrardjp | FYI I'm trying to contact keepalived package maintainers for 16.04 support | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | or assign one on it as you start work on it | 16:30 |
| evrardjp | no news yet | 16:30 |
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| michaelgugino | okay, I put my name next to a couple items there | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | i'll tackle glance first. | 16:32 |
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| cloudnull | i think keystone we'll get for free because it uses apache | 16:33 |
| michaelgugino | cloudnull: keystone would be useful as other roles depend on it working | 16:33 |
| michaelgugino | that's why I'm trying to hit galera_server and client first | 16:33 |
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| cloudnull | indeed. i think its just a change in the apache layout for multi-distro, so ill bang on that too | 16:34 |
| michaelgugino | cloudnull: I have tested the new container_create locally, it's working great. | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull alright, please note which ones you're taking on in the ether pad and add review links once you have them up | 16:35 |
| cloudnull | awesome | 16:35 |
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| odyssey4me | lol, I see you're aiming right at the bootom section | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | who needs interim steps when you can do it all at once :p | 16:35 |
| spotz | hehe | 16:35 |
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| cloudnull | the bulk of the work will need to be done in the systemd detection and unit files | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | the infra section is largely done by the packages we install | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | so i'd like to get a pattern up for us to all agree on and follow in the bulk of the os_* roles | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, agreed - it would be nice to have a sample to work from | 16:37 |
| spotz | +1 | 16:37 |
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| odyssey4me | if anyone's looking for things to do there are still roles outstanding for the simple application of the pattern to implement different var sets fot different os's | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | the first set in the work breakdown has around 10 roles left | 16:38 |
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| stevelle | I might pick up a few of those | 16:39 |
| spotz | odyssey4me: I'm good at simple hacking let me go look | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | great, thanks - we need to get that done in the next two weeks or so | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | alright, moving on | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Ansible 2.1 Support | 16:41 |
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| odyssey4me | jmccrory are you around? | 16:41 |
| jmccrory | yep | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | we discussed at the summit running the rc for 2.1 but maintaining compatibility to ensure that we could fall back if it doesn't release this cycle | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | what do you think the best way to go about doing this would be? | 16:42 |
| jmccrory | could an experimental 2 job be added for integrated gate? | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | we could add a non-voting Ansible 2.1 job for the integrated gate | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | heh, snap - although I think it better that we do a non voting check so that we see the results for every patch | 16:43 |
| michaelgugino | we also mentioned 2.1 in a venv | 16:43 |
| jmccrory | ah even better | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | that's interesting to have a view of the 2.1 status | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | well, for the gate check it's not relevant whether it's in a venv or not | 16:44 |
| michaelgugino | we discussed supporting the venv via the openstack-ansible command, IIRC. I agree, let's not hold up the gate check for such a reason. | 16:45 |
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| odyssey4me | I'm trying to find cloudnull's patch to make ansible go into a venv | 16:45 |
| jmccrory | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304840/ - venv patch | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | thanks jmccrory | 16:46 |
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| odyssey4me | I think that's a great developer tool, but I am a little concerned about perpetuating that into production. | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | It seems like we're moving away from using Ansible in the way Ansible is typically used. That causes confusion. | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: ++ it takes away the root ansible command . | 16:49 |
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| cloudnull | well it puts it into a venv | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | you cant really have it both ways | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, I'm inclined to say that this is better than our current scenario | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | you can activate the venv if you want to run stock ansible commands | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | or pass the --adhoc, --galaxy, --playbook (default) if you want to execute using the helper | 16:50 |
| michaelgugino | venv's are not that complicated and are pretty ubiquitous in the Python world. I think it will be helpful overall. | 16:51 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:52 |
| evrardjp | michaelgugino venvs already work without the need of this wrapper tool | 16:52 |
| evrardjp | it's just convenient for our dev work | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | well no. openstack-ansible is how we run all of the commands. | 16:52 |
| evrardjp | I think the principle isn't bad, I just think we need to properly explain what's behind the seen to not make it a obscure way of doing | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | so openstack-ansible needs to be able to execute the venv | 16:52 |
| palendae | evrardjp: That was my first response too :p | 16:53 |
| palendae | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304840/24/doc/source/developer-docs/scripts.rst talks about that fwiw | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | I did update the docs | 16:53 |
| michaelgugino | I'm not sure I like the idea of bind mounting | 16:53 |
| palendae | Comments on the review could go on the review itself; will help track down discussion around it in the future :) | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino it's optional | 16:54 |
| michaelgugino | I think that is a fix for dynamic inventory, perhaps we can have dynamic inventory read an env variable if set | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, so I think this needs some review attention please | 16:54 |
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| odyssey4me | let's discuss it all in there | 16:54 |
| michaelgugino | k | 16:54 |
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| cloudnull | yea, michaelgugino im not a fan of that but i wanted to provide something for the multi-deployment / config scenario. | 16:54 |
| evrardjp | I don't disagree on this commit, I'm just afraid of splitting the community from ansible's a little more | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | sadly we have a lot of hard coded references to /etc/openstack_deploy | 16:55 |
| cloudnull | if we can fix that ^ i'd be happy to see that code never see the light of day | 16:55 |
| evrardjp | cloudnull maybe this is what should be solved, be more flexible with user changes | 16:55 |
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| cloudnull | i think we could spend an entire cycle on just that. | 16:56 |
| evrardjp | :D | 16:56 |
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| cloudnull | which wouldnt be bad | 16:56 |
| cloudnull | IMHO | 16:56 |
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| palendae | I started down cleaning some of that up in the dynamic_inventory.py file yesterday, but it was making my patch set too big and unfocused | 16:57 |
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| palendae | Won't completely remove the hard coding, but will clarify things | 16:57 |
| michaelgugino | I don't think that much run-time code is referencing /etc/openstack_deploy, definitely setup scripts, but that's outside the scope of adding an additional env. | 16:57 |
| palendae | Yeah | 16:58 |
| cloudnull | i think dynamic_inventory is the key to releasing our dependency on a lot of that. | 16:58 |
| odyssey4me | agreed | 16:58 |
| evrardjp | agreed | 16:58 |
| palendae | Indeed | 16:59 |
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| evrardjp | 40 seconds! | 16:59 |
| odyssey4me | should we isolate some time in the next meeting to discuss and put together some sort of basic idea of the things we want out of the dynamic inventory next version? | 16:59 |
| spotz | hehe | 16:59 |
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| palendae | odyssey4me: I would like to hear specific proposals around changes for multiregion | 16:59 |
| palendae | I think automagically was going to put something together for that, but not sure | 17:00 |
| odyssey4me | ok, we're out of time | 17:00 |
| palendae | I'll be out so I'll have to catch the notes | 17:00 |
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| odyssey4me | thanks all for coming | 17:00 |
| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 5 17:00:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-05-05-16.03.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-05-05-16.03.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-05-05-16.03.log.html | 17:00 |
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| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 5 17:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
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| cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:00 |
| LouisF | hi | 17:00 |
| yamahata | hello | 17:00 |
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| igordcard | hi | 17:01 |
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| scsnow | hi | 17:01 |
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| fsunaval | hi | 17:02 |
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| cathy_ | let's start | 17:02 |
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| mohankumar__ | Hi cathy_ | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | #topic Confirm the CI maintenance ownership | 17:03 |
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| cathy_ | hi mohankumar__ | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | In last meeting, this ownership is assigned to you, mohankumar__ . Is this OK with you? | 17:03 |
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| mohankumar__ | Okay cathy_ | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar__: Thank you! | 17:04 |
| pcarver | hi. sorry I'm going to be in voice meeting simultaneous with this IRC | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | #topic Consistent Repository rule for networking-sfc related drivers: Northbound Tacker driver and Southbound ONOS driver, ODL driver, OVD driver | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Consistent Repository rule for networking-sfc related drivers: Northbound Tacker driver and Southbound ONOS driver, ODL driver, OVD driver (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:04 | |
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| cathy_ | I am thinking we should have a consistent rule as to where the SFC driver located. | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | Since the SFC driver is a piece connecting networking-sfc with another project, so it could reside in either repo. | 17:07 |
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| cathy_ | Currently OVS driver resides in networking-sfc | 17:07 |
| mohankumar__ | cathy_: agree | 17:07 |
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| yamahata | as FYI, networking-odl includes drivers for other services like fwaas, lbaas, l2gw etc. | 17:08 |
| cathy_ | yamahata: thanks for the info | 17:08 |
| LouisF | networking-onos has a separate repo | 17:08 |
| mohankumar__ | Sfc Onos driver code kept n networking-onos | 17:09 |
| LouisF | mohankumar__: correct | 17:09 |
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| LouisF | mohankumar__: networking-onos repo also has the ml2 support - right? | 17:10 |
| mohankumar__ | LouisF: yes | 17:10 |
| doonhammer | The prototype I did for OVN could all live under networking-sfc but I needed some extensions in networking-ovn not part of the OVN/SFC driver but an interface to OVN | 17:10 |
| cathy_ | doonhammer: OK, we can discuss the extension for OVN | 17:11 |
| regXboi | so... that doesn't quite make sense - I would argue that networking-sfc should be the API and a reference implementaiton on ovs and let the other projects handle their own thing | 17:11 |
| doonhammer | The sfc driver model worked very well - but perhaps we need another abstraction for the actual mechanism OVN, ONOS, ODL etc ? | 17:11 |
| regXboi | because for example, networking-ovn is likely going to split into an ML2 and L3 service drivers | 17:11 |
| regXboi | and having the SFC specific driver code in yet another project could slow velocity | 17:12 |
| LouisF | regXboi: will that work be in separate repo? | 17:12 |
| doonhammer | yes - not sure of the best approach | 17:12 |
| regXboi | I believe that is planned for the networking-ovn repo | 17:12 |
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| regXboi | at least for now | 17:12 |
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| LouisF | regXboi: does having separate repos affect packaging? | 17:13 |
| vishnoianil | regXboi, i agree with your thoughts | 17:13 |
| regXboi | for our operations to date, no | 17:13 |
| regXboi | but I won't speak for other folks there | 17:13 |
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| cathy_ | I think probably the rule is that the repo team for the driver should be responsible for making sure to update the driver accordingly if there is any new update in either repo | 17:13 |
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| cathy_ | For example, if there is a change in networking-sfc, then networking-sfc team will update the OVS driver if needed, but ODL team will be responsible for updating the SFC driver in ODL accordingly | 17:15 |
| LouisF | cathy_: +1 | 17:15 |
| mohankumar__ | cathy_: yes +1 | 17:15 |
| regXboi | that makes sense | 17:15 |
| yamahata | cathy_: that's quite reasonable. | 17:15 |
| vishnoianil | cathy_, yes | 17:15 |
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| mohankumar__ | We should document it somewhere , may with the driver owners | 17:16 |
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| cathy_ | #agreed we agreed on the rule that the repo team for the driver should be responsible for making sure to update the driver accordingly if there is any new update in either repo | 17:16 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar__: yes, we should add this in the driver spec | 17:17 |
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| yamahata | If major/big change is expected, I expect it will be communicated in advance before merge. | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar__: could you add this to the ONOS driver spec? | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | yamahata: yes, we will always discuss the change in the networking-sfc meeting | 17:18 |
| mohankumar__ | Yes cathy_ , will add | 17:18 |
| cathy_ | yamahata: could you add this rule to the ODL driver spec? | 17:18 |
| yamahata | vishnoianil: can you do it? | 17:18 |
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| yamahata | cathy_: he seems away. Anyway I'll take care of it somehow. | 17:19 |
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| cathy_ | #action mohankumar__ will add the driver updating rule to the ONOS sfc driver spec, yamahata will add the driver updating rule to the ODL sfc driver spec | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | Let's go to next topic | 17:20 |
| vishnoianil | yamahata, sure | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | #topic Requriement for reference Implementation on OVS driver and OVS Agent path for any API extension | 17:20 |
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| cathy_ | We do not want an API extension without corresponding implementation. But I understand that it might take long for the implementation to be completed. And we should not block merge of an API change for a long time. | 17:22 |
| cathy_ | Any suggestion on how to resolve this? | 17:22 |
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| pcarver | cathy_: I think we should start with a spec | 17:23 |
| scsnow | I think it's better to add spec and blueprint to pass API change | 17:23 |
| LouisF | cathy_: are you refering to adding say the symmetric attribute? | 17:23 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: yes | 17:23 |
| fsunaval | or l2 option for that matter ? | 17:23 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: Yes, spec and BP are fine | 17:23 |
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| pcarver | If we discuss and merge a spec for a new API extension then we can figure out who's going to add the API and implemetation code | 17:23 |
| igordcard | cathy_: but is that an API change? | 17:23 |
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| pcarver | The change to the API code and dataplane implementation should be close in time, but perhaps don't have to be simultaneous | 17:24 |
| LouisF | igordcard: depends on the definition of an api change | 17:24 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: but my concern is that once we approve the spec for the API extension, but no implementation is done | 17:24 |
| cathy_ | I mean no reference implementation is done | 17:24 |
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| pcarver | cathy_: we should try to model after Neutron process | 17:25 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: Yes, could you clarify the process? | 17:25 |
| pcarver | targetting blueprints but bumping them out if it doesn't look like implemnetation will meet a milestone | 17:25 |
| cathy_ | fsunaval: yes, l2/l3 is another extension that is being proposed by people | 17:25 |
| fsunaval | cathy_ : Sometimes we might not be able to do the reference implementation with OVS or it would take a lot more effort with OVS than with OVN (for example) | 17:25 |
| pcarver | cathy_: blueprints are targetted at milestones | 17:25 |
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| pcarver | they can slip and get bumped out to a later milestone or to a later release | 17:26 |
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| mohankumar__ | pcarver: exactly +1 | 17:27 |
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| cathy_ | pcarver: yes, I am thinking the same when we merge a spec for a new API extension, we should make sure someone is going to add the API and reference implementation code on the OVS driver path | 17:28 |
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| pcarver | cathy_: the spec would be tied to a blueprint I think | 17:29 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: what specific mechanism do you mean by "the spec tied to the BP"? | 17:29 |
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| pcarver | The BP usually references a spec review | 17:31 |
| pcarver | as well as implementation reviews | 17:31 |
| mohankumar__ | One BP can have multiple spec | 17:32 |
| pcarver | I'm not sure if there's a rule on when a spec can be merged vs when code is merged | 17:32 |
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| pcarver | I think Neutron also maintains different spec directories for each cycle unless that has changed | 17:34 |
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| pcarver | I believe that a spec can be moved out of the Mitaka directory to Newton directory for example | 17:34 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: I think what we can do to enforce the reference implementation is to identify the owner of the API spec and related implementation. If an implementation is not in place at the targeted milestone, the spec will be moved out to a later release. | 17:35 |
| LouisF | yes https://github.com/openstack/neutron-specs/tree/master/specs/newton | 17:35 |
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| cathy_ | LouisF: looks like a spec can be moved from one release to another release, right? | 17:37 |
| regXboi | it not only can, it should | 17:37 |
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| LouisF | cathy_: separate release dirs exist - its up to the team on their usage | 17:38 |
| LouisF | regXboi: +1 | 17:38 |
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| cathy_ | #agreed to enforce the reference implementation for an API extension, the owner of the API spec and related implementation needs to be identified before the spec can be merged. If the implementation is not in place at the targeted milestone, the spec will be moved to the next release | 17:40 |
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| cathy_ | #topic Add support for Querying Driver capability for SFC functionality support | 17:41 |
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| cathy_ | This is a good suggestion by Paul Carver. Anyone would like to own this? | 17:43 |
| scsnow | Any details what is that? | 17:43 |
| LouisF | pcarver: can you give an example? | 17:43 |
| pcarver | This is related to the idea that not all drivers may be able to implement all capabilities of the API | 17:43 |
| pcarver | e.g. symetric reverse flow hashing | 17:44 |
| regXboi | so... isn't this microversioning and GET / ? | 17:44 |
| pcarver | There ought to be a mechanism for a driver to indicate that it can't provide a capability so that the API can let the client know | 17:44 |
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| pcarver | and it would be better to be able to discover capabilities in advance rather than by just trying to make an API call and getting a failure response | 17:45 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: 100% agree | 17:45 |
| LouisF | pcarver: does neutron support this currently? | 17:45 |
| regXboi | I repeat... isn't this microversioning and GET / ? | 17:45 |
| regXboi | and IIRC, not yet - I'm looking for the LP bug | 17:45 |
| pcarver | LouisF: I'm not sure in general, but something along this line was discussed specifically around VLAN transparency | 17:45 |
| igordcard | a question, all these capabilities to be queried to the driver - will they be capabilities already standardized inside chain_parameters, or could it be any other "string" passed to chain_parameters? | 17:46 |
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| regXboi | all... see https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1577410 for the test against Neutron | 17:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577410 in neutron "Neutron needs a test for GET /" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Mark T. Voelker (mvoelker) | 17:46 |
| pcarver | igordcard: I think we'd probably need to enumerate somewhere. I don't know if it could be totally open to runtime | 17:46 |
| igordcard | that would then be queried to the driver (which might my own homebrewed driver) | 17:47 |
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| scsnow | Do we have a list of capabilities, that driver should report? | 17:49 |
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| scsnow | Per my understanding that's something different to microversions | 17:50 |
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| cathy_ | regXboi: from reading https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1577410, it seems the GET is for a specific release version's API capability, not a specific backend driver capability. My understanding may be wrong. | 17:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577410 in neutron "Neutron needs a test for GET /" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Mark T. Voelker (mvoelker) | 17:51 |
| cathy_ | scsnow: yes, I think the same | 17:51 |
| regXboi | Yes, but I'm asking why that same idea can't be leveraged | 17:51 |
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| igordcard | in my opinion the capabilities reported should be up to what different possible chain_parameters are supported in the API itself | 17:52 |
| LouisF | there should be a general solution for all apis not just networking-sfc | 17:52 |
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| cathy_ | regXboi: Yes, it is similar idea. But we need some ownership to implement this idea (could leverage whatever available in Openstack). | 17:53 |
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| regXboi | There was a design session on the Neutron API in ATX that included microversioning, but I don't remember how it came out... | 17:54 |
| scsnow | I could help with implementation, but currently I don't fully understand the idea | 17:54 |
| scsnow | So I expect that someone could help with spec | 17:55 |
| cathy_ | scsnow: I don't think we will define what API capability a driver should support as long as it supports the basic chain capability | 17:55 |
| regXboi | I agree with LouisF that the solution should be general | 17:55 |
| cathy_ | scsnow: sure, I can hep you with the spec. | 17:56 |
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| igordcard | cathy_: so is the correlation type mpls part of the basic chain capability? | 17:56 |
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| cathy_ | scsnow: thanks for taking this ownership. You may need to do some investigation on microversioning that regXboi mentioned to see if there is any work we can leverage | 17:57 |
| cathy_ | igordcard: no | 17:57 |
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| igordcard | ok | 17:57 |
| regXboi | are we to the open mike part of the agenda yet? | 17:57 |
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| scsnow | I familiar with nova microversioning and know how to deal with it. So I'll take a look how things are done in neutron. | 17:58 |
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| cathy_ | regXboi: not yet. We are going through the topics listed in the meeting agenda of the project wiki page. | 17:59 |
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| regXboi | scsnow: be warned - afaik, it's not *there* yet | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | scsnow: great! thanks | 17:59 |
| scsnow | regXboi, yes, I see | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | #agreed scsnow will take ownership of the "Add support for Querying Driver capability for SFC functionality support" work. Cathy will help with the spec. | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | time us up. We will continue our discussion next week. | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | Thanks everyone. bye now | 18:00 |
| LouisF | bye | 18:00 |
| scsnow | bye | 18:00 |
| igordcard | bye | 18:00 |
| mohankumar__ | Bye | 18:00 |
| yamahata | bye | 18:01 |
| doonhammer | bye | 18:01 |
| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 5 18:01:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-05-05-17.00.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-05-05-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-05-05-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
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