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alex_xu#startmeeting nova api13:00
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openstackMeeting started Wed May 11 13:00:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
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alex_xuwho is here today?13:00
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jicheno/13:01
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alex_xuemm...strange, nobody at here today13:01
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alex_xuas i know, ken'ichi on the travel13:02
sdagueo/13:02
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sdaguesorry, was generating new stats for the sprint to put on email13:02
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Kevin_Zhengo/13:02
alex_xusdague: np13:02
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alex_xuok, we have people now, let's start the meeting :)13:03
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alex_xu#topic API priority13:03
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alex_xulet's talk api ref first13:03
alex_xusdague: i guess we are good, and maybe we should keep today's meeting short, and back to doc sprint?13:04
sdaguealex_xu: yeh, the doc sprint is pretty much the priority this week. I haven't even looked at any of the specs13:04
sdaguehttp://burndown.dague.org/ it's coming along, but it will take a bit13:05
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alex_xuah, that diagram is cool13:05
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sdaguethere are a bunch of changes up for review, we should probably just fix/update reviews that are close when we find issues13:05
johnthetubaguya have a quick random question from a review, but I can leave that till open13:06
sdagueI was going to go back through the list and do that after the meeting13:06
alex_xu++13:06
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: no, lets do it now13:06
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: yea, please go ahead13:06
johnthetubaguyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/314924/2/api-ref/source/os-hosts.inc@7313:06
johnthetubaguysorry creating link13:06
johnthetubaguywe have two host params13:06
johnthetubaguyits kinda nested13:07
johnthetubaguyhttps://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/doc/api_samples/os-hosts/host-get-resp.json#n713:07
johnthetubaguyas its an admin API, I am fine ignoring the problem13:07
sdagueoh, host / host13:07
johnthetubaguyjust not see that happen before, so its a heads up13:07
johnthetubaguyyeah13:07
johnthetubaguyhost and host13:07
sdagueso... I think you can actually specify it twice13:07
alex_xuthe host at line 68 looks like useless13:07
sdagueit's a list13:08
jichenmaybe hosts?13:08
johnthetubaguyoh right, good point13:08
johnthetubaguyjichen: we can't change the representation, otherwise I would be tempted13:08
sdagueI almost anticipated this issue because of nested resources13:08
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johnthetubaguysdague: :)13:08
jichenjohnthetubaguy: ok :)13:08
sdaguewhat we probably should do is actually the following13:08
sdagueresource.x13:08
alex_xuthat is just part of structure, no exactly meaning, we needn't list that in the parameters list13:08
sdaguefor all of these13:08
johnthetubaguyyeah, I was just thinking about that13:08
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johnthetubaguythey are all the same then13:09
sdaguethat's what I was doing for complex data in servers13:09
sdaguelike security_groups.name13:09
sdaguebecause, otherwise, name being in the list twice is super confusing13:09
johnthetubaguyyeah, that works, when its needed13:09
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johnthetubaguyso, I am happy, lets fix that up13:10
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sdague johnthetubaguy great13:11
alex_xuyes, that is also works.13:11
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sdaguejohnthetubaguy: thanks for catching that13:11
johnthetubaguysdague: np13:12
alex_xuanymore question on the api-ref?13:12
alex_xus/anymore/any more/13:12
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johnthetubaguyFWIW, I thought this was terrible to review, until you have the code open for the API and the samples in another window, and its so much easier13:13
alex_xuyea13:13
sdagueyeh, servers is still a pain, because of all the extensiosn13:13
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sdagueI can't wait until that's gone13:13
johnthetubaguysdague: true, +10013:13
johnthetubaguyjust a note to the docs team, I have no idea how the docs are so good as they are right now!13:14
sdague:)13:14
alex_xu:)13:14
alex_xuok, i think we can move on13:15
alex_xufor legacy v2 api removing, looks good. just the patches need rebase13:15
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alex_xuafter the v2 code removed, we also can begin to clean the policy for legacy v13:16
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johnthetubaguyah, so looking at this, we totally have a task to clean up our policy rules later on13:16
sdaguealex_xu: yeh, let me know when it looks like we're going to be close on the legacy v2 side13:16
johnthetubaguythe admin_or_owner stuff is very... misleading in how it works today13:17
alex_xusdague: ok, got it13:17
sdagueas I've got that -2 on the final remove to let everyone pile on for +213:17
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sdaguejohnthetubaguy: well, that's going to come much later13:17
johnthetubaguyyeah, once the defaults are in code13:17
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sdagueok, next topic?13:18
alex_xuyeh, as mentioned policy...for the policy discovery, i didn't notice that this week13:18
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sdagueright, I think that all the specs work is sort of on hold this week to get through as much of the api-ref work as possible13:18
sdaguekeep folks focussed13:19
alex_xuyea13:19
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sdaguenext week we should revisit the various specs13:19
johnthetubaguysdague: +113:19
sdagueand probably plan to spend this meeting mostly on outstanding specs, including the deprecations ones13:19
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alex_xu+113:20
johnthetubaguydo we want to defer any +W on them, till next week?13:20
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johnthetubaguyactually ignore that, regular view process should be fine, I was being over-optimistic13:20
mriedemthey have -1s anyway13:20
johnthetubaguyyeah, that would do it13:21
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alex_xuok, i think we can just to open now13:21
alex_xu#topic Open13:21
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alex_xuthere is one item about "Add support for user defined stop instance"13:21
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Kevin_ZhengI can wait for next week13:21
Kevin_Zhengas there are more priority work13:22
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alex_xupeople want to talk about it today? or back to doc sprint this week first?13:22
sdaguelets focus on doc sprint13:22
johnthetubaguythe second one13:23
alex_xusdague: ok13:23
alex_xuKevin_Zheng: thanks13:23
Kevin_ZhengNP, I will try to help on doc tomorrow13:23
mriedemkeep in mind non-priority spec freeze is in 3 weeks13:23
alex_xumriedem: got it, thanks13:23
alex_xuKevin_Zheng: thanks again13:23
alex_xuso we can close the meeting now?13:23
alex_xu3...13:24
alex_xu2..13:24
alex_xu1.13:24
alex_xuthanks all!13:24
jichenthanks~13:24
alex_xu#endmeeting13:24
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acabot_#startmeeting watcher14:01
openstackMeeting started Wed May 11 14:01:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is acabot_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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acabot_hi guys14:01
sballe_o/14:01
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gzhai1hi14:01
dtardivelhi14:02
acabot_agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#05.2F11.2F201614:02
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jed56\o14:02
acabot_#topic Announcements14:02
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acabot_we planned last week to sync with Congress over their IRC meeting, does anyone attended ?14:03
sballe_I wasn't able to14:03
acabot_ok I will do it this week then14:03
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acabot_#action acabot attend the next Congress IRC meeting14:04
seanmurphyhi guys - apols for being late and apols for not being present at last few meetings14:04
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acabot_#info in Austin, we talked about changing the meeting time for Asian contributors14:05
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acabot_I suggested it in the ML14:05
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jwcroppeo/14:05
acabot_9:00 UTC on odd weeks would be 5:00PM chineses time14:05
gzhai1It's good :)14:06
jinquano/14:06
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sballe_that would be 5:00 AM Wednesday, Eastern Time (ET) which would work as long as it is every other week14:06
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sballe_the folks on the West Cost would not be able to attend since that is 2amPST14:07
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acabot_so even weeks same time as today, and odd weeks 9:00UTC on the same channel14:07
sballe_What time zone is hvprash in?14:07
jwcroppe4 am CT is probably too early for me and Taylor14:07
hvprashsballe_ I am in ET14:07
edleafejwcroppe: zzzzzzz14:07
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hvprashthat should work :)14:07
sballe_oh cool! so we are in the same timezone14:08
jwcroppeedleafe: or just pull all nighters :)14:08
acabot_jwcroppe : I know that it would be too late for you ;-)14:08
acabot_too early sorry14:08
edleafejwcroppe: wayyyy too old for that. And if I did, I wouldn't be on IRC :)14:08
sballe_yeah I cannot promise I will be awake ;-) (coffee_14:08
jwcroppeacabot_: I know it'll be a tough time find times.... so let's try this and see what happens14:08
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acabot_I tried to find a time before 6PM in China14:09
edleafethe main thing is that people get to participate at least every other week14:09
sballe_acabot_: make sense14:09
jwcroppeyeah, understand14:09
edleafethat's always better than only a few participating every week14:09
sballe_jwcroppe: you work all the time anyway.14:09
acabot_ok so next week will be the same time as today14:10
sballe_aren't you awake at 4am ;-) I assumed you had customer meetings at that time.. ;-)14:10
jwcroppeyes, only offline when in the airplane.14:10
acabot_and the week after will be 9:00UTC14:10
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sballe_perfect!14:10
jwcroppeacabot_: sounds good14:10
sballe_acabot_: can you please send out a new calendadr invite. I find taht very useful14:10
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acabot_#info Watcher mid-cycle details are available on eventbrite #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/watcher-newton-mid-cycle-developer-meetup-tickets-2526732324414:11
acabot_#action acabot update the calendar invite for our next meetings14:11
jwcroppesballe_: so it's safe to book travel - we're all systems go there?14:11
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sballe_yep. everything is ready. Just sign up via the eventbrtite site so I can get you wirelss access14:12
acabot_sballe_ : I have created the wiki page #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Watcher_newton_mid-cycle_meetup_agenda , can you update the link on eventbrite ?14:12
sballe_and a badge so oyu can get in14:12
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sballe_aca14:12
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sballe_acabot_: yes will do14:12
sballe_I'll update the hotels, etc as well14:13
acabot_#info pav0 started a discussion with puppet team to build a repo for Watcher puppet scripts14:13
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acabot_feedback about congress delegation VM-placement #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ksDilJYXV-5AXWON8PLMedDKr9NpS8VbT0jIy_MIEtI/edit# ?14:14
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dtardivelyes, we received an ack from Emilien, PTL of openstack-puppet14:15
EmilienM+114:15
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EmilienMlet me know if you need help14:15
dtardivelSo, I will push 2 new patchsets for end of the week14:15
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dtardivelEmilienM: +114:15
dtardivelpav0 will be free to add its puppet source code in the new project later14:16
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acabot_#action dtardivel submit 2 patchsets for Watcher module for Puppet #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094517.html14:16
acabot_ok, any other announcement ?14:17
alexchadinhi14:17
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alexchadinI'm sorry for being late14:17
acabot_alexchadin : any feedback regarding Congress Delegation for VM-placement ?14:17
alexchadinI've not read it completely14:18
acabot_ok14:18
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acabot_#topic Review Action Items14:18
alexchadinI may write feedback at openstack-watcher channel14:18
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alexchadina little bit later14:18
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acabot_Watcher specs14:18
acabot_#info Provide efficacy indicators has been merged14:19
acabot_#info Cluster model objects wrapper work items are still missing14:19
jwcroppeI'll be reviewing specs today (anything still in backlog)14:19
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acabot_#action jwcroppe review https://review.openstack.org/301774 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275474/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312143/14:19
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sballe_ditto14:20
acabot_tpeoples needs to complete https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/14:20
jwcroppeacabot_: +114:20
acabot_#action sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/301774 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275474/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312143/14:20
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acabot_#action tpeoples complete work items https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/14:21
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acabot_there are also 2 specs open for larger reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298871/14:22
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acabot_vincentfrancoise : can you give us a quick update on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/get-goal-from-strategy ?14:22
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sballe_acabot_: Did get goal from strategy merge?14:23
vincentfrancoisewell, since yesterday we had an issue on Watcher because of oslo.messaging14:23
vincentfrancoisethe fix has been merge just before the meeting14:23
vincentfrancoiseand now get-goal-from-strategy is working fine14:23
sballe_acabot_: never mind .. I wasn't paying attention I guess14:24
vincentfrancoisedtardivel did most of the reviews and tested it on a devstack as well (can you confirm)14:24
dtardivelvincentfrancoise: +114:24
vincentfrancoiseso I guess we can give it a go anytime soon14:24
acabot_ok so I think we can +W all patchsets right after the meeting14:25
acabot_#action vincentfrancoise +W all patchsets related to get goal from strategy14:25
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dtardivelvincentfrancoise: yes, but we need to wait for gate jobs, and it is very slow the afternoon :/14:26
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acabot_gzhai1 : you will be able to work on your patchset right after the merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297556/14:27
vincentfrancoisedtardivel: agreed14:27
gzhai1 acabot_:ok14:27
acabot_we still have 2 strategies that need reviews for a long time https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297590/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/14:28
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acabot_Watcher client14:29
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vincentfrancoisethe strategies will have a merge conflict as soon as we merge get-goal-from-strategy BTW14:29
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acabot_#info vincentfrancoise is waiting for reviews on the openstackclient-plugin for watcher #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-watcherclient+branch:master+topic:bp/openstackclient-plugin14:29
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acabot_#action alexchadin junjie update their strategies after get goal from strategy merge14:30
alexchadinwill do14:30
dtardivelI will take time to review them14:30
acabot_#action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297590/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/14:31
alexchadinjed56 also wanted to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297590/14:31
acabot_#action jed56 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297590/14:31
dtardivelacabot_: I talked about vincentfrancoise ones :)14:31
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acabot_dtardivel : oups14:31
acabot_#action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-watcherclient+branch:master+topic:bp/openstackclient-plugin14:32
dtardivelnevermind14:32
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acabot_#topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion14:32
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acabot_sballe_ : do you want to talk about the scoring module ?14:32
sballe_sure.. is thomas here?14:33
acabot_no14:33
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sballe_Anyway we have had a temporary change in priorities to tkaczynski will work on TAP release until the end of May14:34
sballe_He will be back on the socring module at the end of May once the realease is done14:34
sballe_acabot_: does that summarize it?14:34
dtardivelsballe_: acabot_ jwcroppe : We're waiting for a +2/+1 on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301774/2014:35
acabot_#info tkaczynski will be back on the socring module at the end of May once the TAP realease is done14:35
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acabot_#action acabot review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301774/2014:35
jwcroppedtardivel: will look after this14:36
acabot_#action jwcroppe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301774/2014:36
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acabot_hvprash : any update on Audit parameters should be persistent in Db ?14:36
dtardivelthx14:36
hvprashDrafting the spec and will have it ready for review by tomorrow. Sorry, this is taking time since I am still going over the code.14:36
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acabot_#action hvprash send specs for review for Audit parameters should be persistent in Db14:37
acabot_hvprash : great thx14:37
hvprashsure14:37
vincentfrancoisehvprash: nice !14:37
acabot_#info current target is Newton-1 with 12 BPs & 20 bugs #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/newton-114:37
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acabot_there is a lot of code in review right now and the release is in 2 weeks14:38
acabot_we need more code reviewers14:38
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acabot_5 BPs are in review currently14:39
alexchadinI'll send continuous-opt tomorrow14:39
alexchadinfor review14:39
acabot_gzhai1 : Edwin, can you do more reviews in the next 2 weeks ?14:39
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gzhai1acabot_:sure14:40
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acabot_#action alexchadin send specs for review for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/continuously-optimization14:40
acabot_gzhai1: thx14:40
alexchadinWill make more reviews14:40
acabot_#action alexchadin gzhai1 code reviews on BPs with "needs code review" state14:41
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pav0acabot_: I will ask guys from my team if they can review14:41
jwcroppehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/301774/20 looks good - but needs another +2 +W (acabot_)14:41
acabot_there is still one unassigned BP #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-policies14:41
acabot_pav0 : thx14:41
dtardivelpav0: +114:41
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acabot_does any of the BPs targeted for Newton-1 has no chance to land in 2 weeks ?14:42
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acabot_I think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/persistent-audit-parameters & https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/cluster-model-objects-wrapper should be re-targeted for Newton-214:43
acabot_as specs are not finished yet14:43
sballe_jwcroppe: I +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301774/2014:43
vincentfrancoiseif you retarget persistent-audit-parameters <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/persistent-audit-parameters>, you also have to retarget efficacy-indicators since there is a dependency14:44
sballe_acabot_: make sense14:44
hvprashacabot_ I agree14:44
acabot_jwcroppe : what do you think about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/cluster-model-objects-wrapper ?14:44
acabot_jwcroppe : I think tpeoples will need more than 2 weeks to code this feature14:45
acabot_#action acabot move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/persistent-audit-parameters to Newton-214:45
jwcroppeacabot_: probably yes - agree.  he is at a conference this morning14:45
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acabot_#action acabot move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/cluster-model-objects-wrapper to Newton-214:46
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acabot_seanmurphy : jed56 found a bug in your strategy, he will submit it to launchpad14:46
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acabot_#topic Open Discussion14:47
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edleafeI have a junior dev on my team who is interested in Watcher14:48
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seanmurphyacabot_: cool - thanks14:48
acabot_regarding the big tent inclusion, we need to provide a commit message explaining how watcher follow the OpenStack way14:48
edleafeHe is reviewing the current code, and I'd like to give him some direction14:48
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acabot_I suggest to write it on an etherpad that can be reviewed14:48
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sballe_acabot_: +114:48
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sballe_acabot_: can you take a first stab? I am happy to add to the sections14:49
edleafeacabot_: you can steal^^^ borrow wording from previous team proposals14:49
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sballe_acabot_: just let me know what I need to do14:49
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acabot_edleafe : interesting, does he start reviewing on gerrit ?14:49
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jwcroppeedleafe_: nova allowing any more BPs for Newton?  Or really just backlog reduction?14:49
jwcroppeedleafe: ^^^14:50
acabot_sballe_ : yes I will take the first stab and use gerrit history ;-)14:50
edleafeHe just said he would review the code. We have our regular mentor meeting tomorrow14:50
acabot_edleafe : ok14:50
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edleafeI was hoping to give him something concrete to learn14:50
jwcroppeedleafe: I've had https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288819/ out for review for quite some time - it's trivial, but not getting any spec review traffic14:50
jwcroppeedleafe: several +1s FWIW :)14:51
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edleafejwcroppe: yes, but the check-destinations spec hasn't landed, as far as I know, and that's a requirement for my BP14:51
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edleafejwcroppe: ok, I'll point him to that, as well as reviews in general.14:51
acabot_#action acabot start writing the commit msg for the big tent and share the etherpad on IRC14:52
jwcroppeedleafe: take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288819/ if you get a sec too, please14:52
jwcroppeedleafe: thanks14:52
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acabot_does any partner has a larger test infrastructure than 10 nodes to test Watcher scalability ?14:52
edleafejwcroppe: you have no idea how overloaded I am right now14:52
edleafe:)14:52
acabot_this is something we discussed in Austin, it becomes crucial to be able to test Watcher on a larger infra that devstack ;-)14:52
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sballe_acabot_: I thought somebody had offered to test at 50. Was that OVH?14:53
acabot_it could be for a limited time14:53
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acabot_I'm looking at OSIC #link https://osic.org/14:54
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acabot_OVH told me that it could be possible but for a very limited time (3 or 4 days)14:54
pav0sballe_:  I check it14:54
acabot_pav0 : I had this discussion with pilgrimstack14:55
pav0sballe_: I will check it*14:55
edleafesballe_: could you get some machines for testing from the Intel-Rackspace project?14:55
edleafe(forgot the name)14:55
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gzhai1We need physical machine, right?14:55
sballe_edleafe: nope I do not have access to those14:55
sballe_I can ask but I am not hopeful14:56
edleafesballe_: any team can request machines14:56
acabot_gzhai1 : in an ideal world we need a production ready OpenStack cluster with 50 nodes14:56
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edleafeOpenStack Innovation Center (OSIC) - thanks google!14:56
acabot_edleafe : thats what I'm looking at14:56
pav0acabot_:  ok, I will ask him14:57
pav0dtardivel: thanks for creating puppet-watcher project on launchpad. I try to push today to openstack-infra repo iformations about puppet-watcher project14:57
acabot_I think it would be easier to request access if we are a big tent project14:57
gzhai1I can have a check within our team.14:57
acabot_gzhai1 : thx14:57
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edleafesballe_: from last July: "Largest OpenStack Developer Cloud– Rackspace and Intel will build and make available to the community two 1,000 node clusters to support advanced, large-scale testing of OpenStack and new features developed through the joint engineering work. The companies anticipate having the clusters available for community use within the next six months"14:57
gzhai1But you can check it as community:)14:57
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acabot_#link https://osic.org/sites/osic.org/files/OSIC_Exposed_final_web.pdf page 214:58
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acabot_there are clusters available14:58
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acabot_time to end the meeting14:59
edleafeacabot_: https://osic.org/clusters14:59
acabot_thank you14:59
edleafethe request form14:59
acabot_edleafe : ok lets talk about it next week14:59
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vincentfrancoisesee you next week14:59
dtardivelbye14:59
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gzhai1bye15:00
acabot_#endmeeting15:00
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hvprashsee ya all, bye15:00
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therve#startmeeting heat15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed May 11 15:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is therve. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'15:00
therve#topic Roll call15:00
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alexchadinbye15:00
therveHey heat people15:00
ramishrahi15:00
jaimguerhey everyone15:00
jdobo/15:01
prazumovskyHi!15:01
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zanebhowdy15:01
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dixiaoli_hi15:01
elynno/15:02
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therveAlright :)15:02
therve#topic Adding items to agenda15:02
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therve#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-05-11_1500_UTC.2915:02
therveFeel free!15:02
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therve#topic Grenade failures15:03
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therveOkay, so15:03
therveWe're still getting floating ip failures AFAICT15:03
zanebI saw a patch get merged for that15:03
therveI thought the neutron-vpnaas patch would fix it15:03
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therveBut it seems that it didn't15:03
ramishrayeah, it did not fix the issue15:03
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zaneb:(15:04
therveramishra, Do you understand why it should have? :)15:04
therveIt's not like floating ip and vpnaas seem related15:04
therveAlso, it's intermittent15:05
ramishratherve: yeah, I did look at issue last week15:05
zanebhmm, the patch does say Partial-Bug15:05
ramishratherve: not sure why the neutron guys thought vpnaas was the problem15:05
ramishrahowever, I thought they know more:)15:06
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therveHeh15:06
ramishraI did try to persuade the tempest team to disable the test15:06
therveShould I just harass neutron people then?15:06
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zanebkevinbenton: ping re bug 157923515:06
openstackbug 1579235 in neutron "FloatingIP is at status: ACTIVE. failed to reach status: DOWN" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1579235 - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton)15:06
ramishrawithout luck:(15:06
jasondtherve: kevinbenton said "their job is running vpnaas agent and its clobbering stuff"15:06
therveDoes the grenade job runs against all master release?15:07
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therveMaybe it needs a mitaka backport or something?15:07
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ramishraintermittent failure is an understatement15:07
ramishrait fails 3 out of 4 times15:07
therveRight15:07
therveNot all the time is intriguing though15:08
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zanebtherve: that's a good point, it's probably the mitaka agent that needs to be stopped15:08
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jasondtherve: i think it was partly a hunch because the time when our gate failures began coincided with https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/commit/602a455746461167e211cf19a39349e32df9e08a15:08
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zanebah, so it shouldn't be broken in mitaka?15:09
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thervejasond, Hum. Can we make a revert and then check if the gate works in heat?15:09
jasondtherve: it's worth a try15:10
therveAh15:10
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thervezaneb, https://review.openstack.org/31379215:10
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pas-hao/15:10
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therveHum wait it merged today15:11
therveOkay, I'll see if we need a mitaka backport. Any other idea?15:11
jasondkevinbenton said "i think generally something is screwing up the l3 agent" ... "i think jasond is just getting a side effect of the floating IP status not getting updated because of it"  "something is killing the namespace i think"15:12
therve:/15:12
therveThat's a lot of guessing15:12
jasondyeah15:12
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zanebleave a comment on the bug letting Neutron folks know it isn't fixed15:13
jasondzaneb: ok15:13
zaneband see if they have other ideas15:13
ramishrayes, I can see errors with  iptable-save in the l3-agent logs15:13
zanebplus prod them relentlessly15:13
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jasondzaneb: :)  they were pretty responsive15:14
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zanebjasond: great :)15:14
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therveOK. Let's try to continue to fix that :)15:14
therveMoving on15:14
therve#topic Discuss the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308238/15:15
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skrainevHi all, sorry I am late :)15:15
therveBug #157197615:15
openstackbug 1571976 in python-heatclient "openstack stack output show stack1 output1 reports inconsistent result formats" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1571976 - Assigned to Di XiaoLi (dixiaobj)15:15
therveLet's see15:15
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dixiaoli_for bug #1571976 openstack stack output show command output format is not consistent across multiple options when --all is used the field list is not consistent.15:16
therveI think I agree with skrainev, we can't change the output arbitrarily15:16
dixiaoli_so, want to discuss wether this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308238/ will break the compatibility or break user's scripts or something else?15:16
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dixiaoli_okay15:17
therveIt's a bit too bad because it looks awful, but we have to live with it for now15:17
therveOthers?15:17
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ricolinprobibly add some more doc for now15:17
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thervericolin, How so?15:18
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skrainevMy suggestions were in comments15:18
ricolinsome15:18
ricolinyes15:18
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ricolinadd more comments around to make sure we keep in notice for this15:19
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duvarenkov_we already have different output in some heat and openstack commands15:19
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duvarenkov_for example `heat output-list` and `openstack stack output list`15:19
ricolinbut don't think we should change it right away15:20
therveduvarenkov_, The issue is not to make it different, the issue is to change what's already in a released version15:20
jdobduvarenkov_: but havent we already released on the OSC plugin? if we were going to use that as a backward compat explanation, it seems like we missed that chance15:20
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therveSo I think we agree on not to do that15:21
therveThe solution is a bit harder to find15:21
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therveMoving on15:23
therve#topic Open discussion15:23
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jdobya, so15:24
jdobi just got an email that the zuul config changed and you should start seeing a job about the api-ref generation appearing15:24
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therveI played a bit with osprofiler in Heat. It's pretty cool, but not sure I'll be able to do much with it.15:24
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jdobi'll send out an email to the list too, but i'll keep an eye on the job too15:24
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thervejdob, Hope you didn't break the gate :)15:25
jdobno, I added an entirely new gate job that can be broken15:25
therveIt's non-voting?15:25
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jdobshould be voting15:25
jdobwell, lemme rephrase15:25
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jdobit follows the same model as the api-ref jobs do for other projects15:26
jdobi assumed that was voting, but truth be told, I dont know for sure15:26
jdobits bascially a template in project-config that I was able to reference15:26
therveWe'll see :)15:26
thervejdob, Is the publishing part taken care of just after?15:27
jdobyes, that should all be magic15:27
jdob(I know it inspires all sorts of faith in me as a coder that I'm relying on magic)15:27
therveAnd we already got a fix for some api doc, so that's awesome15:28
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jdobya, following this, I'd like to spend some time on the docs themselves15:28
jdobreviewing/polishing/etc15:29
thervejdob, So to be clear it should push to http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-orchestration-v1.html automatically?15:29
jdobwas just waiting on the gate job and have some other stuff on my plate15:29
jdobthats my understanding, yes15:29
zanebnice15:29
jdoband its all in tree, which is nice15:30
therveSomewhat annoyed we have http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ and  http://developer.openstack.org/15:30
therveBut anyway :)15:30
ricolincool15:30
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* jdob registers openstackdocs.org and docsopenstack.org15:31
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therveAnything else?15:33
pas-hatherve: those are different - the second one is for those who develop against OpenStack15:33
pas-hafirst is for those who are developing the OpenStack :)15:33
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thervepas-ha, Well there is something wrong then, because it's not true15:34
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therveWe have "user" doc in the first one15:34
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zaneblong-standing problem15:35
zanebwe have docs that are for end-users but which describe templates rather than APIs15:35
zaneband there's no category for that :(15:35
therveYeah it's a bit weird15:36
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therveAnything else?15:37
skraynevzaneb: they can not meet each other... docs and users.. docs and operators..15:37
zanebarguably heat templates are their own type of user interface and deserve equal billing with the CLI and API15:37
zanebbut I don't think we've tried to make that argument15:37
skraynevtherve: not from me. ;)15:38
therveAlright. Thanks all!15:38
therve#endmeeting15:38
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dougwig#startmeeting networking_lib17:30
openstackMeeting started Wed May 11 17:30:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:30
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:30
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib'17:30
HenryGo/17:30
dougwigo/17:30
bodeno/17:31
dougwig#topic Open discussion17:31
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dougwiglet's touch base on status, since it's been awhile.17:31
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HenryGMy db base stuff needs reworking based on the OVO stuff17:31
HenryGMeaning I need to start with a smaller patch that is independent of OVO17:32
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dougwigmy meta model stuff is in it's pre-summit state. i'm still stuck on an internal thing, for at least the rest of this week.17:32
dougwigi don't think i have the latest in my WIP, i should update that.17:32
bodenI was out for a week after the summit, so I'm just getting caught up... not that I have any work items or anything yet17:33
dougwigthis is the first meeting since the summit.17:33
dougwigif you want to jump in, we need to tackle the base agent stuff, maybe?17:33
bodenyup, but I haven't been active on review so much recently17:34
bodendougwig - sure, I have a few other things on my plate as well, but if it's not time sensitive I can drive it17:34
dougwignot time sensitive as long as it happens in the next couple months.17:34
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bodendougwig: I can handle that. TBH I'll need to dig deeper into what exactly this work is, as I'm not familiar with it yet17:35
bodenIs there a bug or something?17:35
dougwigno.  take a look at the lbaas-agent in neutron-lbaas; it's pulling in goo from neutron to make that go.  what we move, or if we dup code, is the first question.17:36
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bodenI'll start there... Once I get my head around the effort I'll sync back up with you guys to make sure my idea is sane17:37
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dougwigok, let's touch base with your initial ideas next week?17:37
bodenYep, I should have some time to take a look by then17:38
dougwigany interest in a mini-sprint dedicated to the lib work, small attendance?  or are we happy to work remote until the main midcycle?17:39
HenryGWe need some meeting/discussion with the OVO folks (Ihar, Rossella, etc)17:40
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HenryGI am always open to a mini-sprint to get some focused work done17:41
dougwigok, let's invite them to next week's meeting.  this slot is in the edge of acceptable for europe17:42
bodenyou are referring a face-to-face meet up here or just a sprint cycle planning wise? sorry not up to speed on a "mini-sprint"17:42
dougwigface-to-face17:42
dougwigHenryG: can you get us a spot in boston?17:43
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dougwig(or nearby)17:43
HenryGThat nice MS location in Cambridge has a sign-up form. Also maybe IBM research, but I would have to check.17:43
dougwigyou have a link?17:44
bodenfyi: travel may not be realistic for me in the next few months, but more than happy to join via webex/phone/etc.17:45
HenryGdougwig: http://microsoftnewengland.com/eventmanager/17:46
dougwigHenryG: any dates in june not work for you?17:47
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HenryGI have nothing until Aug 1517:48
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dougwigok, we'll sync up offline.17:49
dougwiganything else, or shall we get back to it?17:49
bodenmoving the interface drivers over is out of the question right? I saw the patch set17:49
dougwigcontext?  link?17:50
bodenhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/307381/17:50
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bodenBased on the comments there, I assume its out; I was just confirming we are not going to investigate further17:51
dougwigi think many pieces of it can move.  might want to start smaller, though.17:51
dougwigand consider the namespace.  agent.x is likely not the right tree for some of those as standalone modules17:52
HenryGYep, that patch was too ambitious17:52
bodenok.. maybe I can look at that if I get bored after the base agent stuff if we're still interested17:52
bodenwe can re-sync later17:52
bodenI have nothing else17:53
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dougwigok, thanks all17:53
dougwig#endmeeting17:53
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openstackMeeting ended Wed May 11 17:53:27 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)17:53
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-05-11-17.30.html17:53
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-05-11-17.30.txt17:53
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-05-11-17.30.log.html17:53
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mrhillsmanoperators meeting?18:03
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sdake#startmeeting kolla23:00
openstackMeeting started Wed May 11 23:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.23:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.23:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kolla'23:00
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sdake#topic rollcall23:00
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sdakesteak on fire! ;)23:00
vhosakoto/23:00
Jeffrey4lo/23:00
sbezverko/23:00
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sdakewell with only us 4, may call the meeting23:02
sdakei'll give it a few more minutes23:02
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bkeroMay...koll the meeting?23:02
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huikangyes23:02
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sdakewell doesn't look like we reallyhave a quorum for a full meeting23:03
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sdakei'll proceed to announcements and then we can finish up then23:03
sdake#topic announcements23:03
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vhosakotcool23:03
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sdake1. liberty is released! - grats all inolved23:04
huikangnice23:04
sdakewe have a fully functional liberty and mitaka release, with full upgrade support beween them23:04
sdakeit only took 2.5 years to implement ;023:04
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vhosakot:)23:04
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huikangsdake about the doc for upgrade?23:04
sdake2. our newton-1 deadline is May 30-3rd23:04
sdakeso any code you want merged prior to newton 1 needs to hit the review queue in the next 3 weeks23:05
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sdakeany announcements from the comunity?23:05
asalkeldnothing from me..23:05
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sdakeoh one last announcement23:06
sdakekolla-kubernetes spec is actively under development23:06
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sdakeif you wish to be a core reviewer of that project, provide a review23:06
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sdakeanyone listed as a reviewer will be a member of the core reviewer team23:06
vhosakotcool23:06
sdakethats all i've got with a limited audience23:06
vhosakotI've provided my review23:07
sdake#topic open discussion for 5 minutes :)23:07
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sdakeanyone have any open topics for discusison?23:07
vhosakotJeffrey4l: were you able to debug the rabbitmq crash in centos gate ?23:07
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Jeffrey4lvhosakot, i am working on it. but no progress, now :(23:07
vhosakotI see Paul submitted a debug PS for it as well.. I tried to debug but could not find much info23:07
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vhosakotJeffrey4l: cool.. the strace output does not have any info..23:07
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sdakeJeffrey4l is it centos binary only?23:08
sdakeor all centos23:08
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Jeffrey4lall centos23:08
sdakethere is a new version of  erlang from RDO available23:08
sdakei'd suggest giving that a go23:08
vhosakotyes both centos source and binary in gate23:08
sdakered hat turned on ipv6 support in erlang23:09
sdakewhich broke all kinds of things23:09
sbezverksdake I hope it is better than the last one ;-)23:09
Jeffrey4lsee the mail I sent yestoday. found something. but do not know why.23:09
sdakeat about the same time they added a bug23:09
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vhosakothuikang: I see you removed the precheck for AUFS and added docs for it instead  -->  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314205/23:09
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huikangvhosakot, yes, feel Martin's comment make sense23:09
huikangprecheck is for deploy, but AUFS matters only to the issue of building images23:10
sdakehuikang right on agree23:10
vhosakothuikang: cool... plus, I see no issue with AUFS on Ubuntu 14.. adding the right docs makes sense for AUFS issues so that operators can move to btrfs23:10
huikangso I added a note in quickstart23:10
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vhosakothuikang: looks good.. I reviewed it... will give me comments.. cool23:11
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huikangthanks vhosakot23:11
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vhosakotcool, np23:11
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huikangsince Jeffrey4l is here, may I ask about building image from source for non-openstack container, such as ovs23:12
huikanghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/309726/23:12
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sdakeok on that note, anything else, or should we just wrap up here?23:13
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sdakewe can chat more in #kolla - rather then taking up meeting time for everyone23:13
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vhosakotI dont have anything else.. we can discuss in IRC if anything is needed23:13
vhosakotcool23:13
sdake#endmeeting23:13
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openstackMeeting ended Wed May 11 23:13:43 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)23:13
vhosakothuikang: we can chat in kolla channel23:13
Jeffrey4lnp23:13
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-05-11-23.00.html23:13
sdakethanks for coming ;)23:13
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-05-11-23.00.txt23:13
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-05-11-23.00.log.html23:13
huikangsure23:13
huikangthanks guys23:13
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