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| danoffek | hi | 07:58 |
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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 08:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi everyone | 08:00 |
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| nofar_schnider | hi! | 08:00 |
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| alexey_weyl | Hello there :) | 08:00 |
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| elisha_r | hi | 08:01 |
| idan_hefetz | Hi! | 08:01 |
| ifat_afek | Our agenda today: | 08:01 |
| ifat_afek | * Status and Updates | 08:01 |
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| ifat_afek | * Open Discussion | 08:02 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:02 | |
| ifat_afek | Some short updates on my behalf | 08:02 |
| ifat_afek | Vitrage mascot selection - we selected a few candidates: Butterfly, Tree, Parrot, Suricata | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | I'm waiting for OpenStack representative to approve them, and then we will vote | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-mascot | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | Yesterday I got emails for P and Q release naming polls. Check if you got ones too | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | Who wants to update? | 08:03 |
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| danoffek | Hi again | 08:04 |
| danoffek | I'll update : | 08:04 |
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| danoffek | Added basic heat stack support, pre testing. | 08:04 |
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| danoffek | I'll add stack resource support after testing heat stack, to be able to show a full entity graph with VMs / other related to their relevant stacks, and to be able to do fulRCA | 08:05 |
| danoffek | Between heat and nova / cinder entities | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | danoffek: that's great, heat stacks will add a lot to vitrage | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | BTW, is there a blueprint for that? | 08:06 |
| danoffek | I'll add heat blueprint today | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | danoffek: cool, thanks | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | #action danoffek add heat blueprint | 08:07 |
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| idan_hefetz | I will update | 08:08 |
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| idan_hefetz | Vitrage templates has a new action 'mark_down', it allows the use of the nova notifier to send a force down API for a specific compute, still need to add tempest | 08:08 |
| idan_hefetz | it is pushed to master and stable/liberty | 08:09 |
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| idan_hefetz | That's it :) | 08:09 |
| nofar_schnider | I'll update | 08:09 |
| nofar_schnider | elisha_r and I are working on the templates for Zabbix | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | idan_hefetz: great. this is needed for Doctor use cases | 08:09 |
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| nofar_schnider | The templates Fuel has for Zabbix are a big help | 08:10 |
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| nofar_schnider | We're using them and we will also add more if we need | 08:11 |
| nofar_schnider | Other than that, we add YAMLs to define the alarms we need which connects the entities in Vitrage | 08:13 |
| ifat_afek | nofar_schnider: you mean vitrage templates? | 08:13 |
| nofar_schnider | the YAML is the vitrage template of course | 08:13 |
| nofar_schnider | There's plenty to do :) | 08:14 |
| ifat_afek | nofar_schnider: great, thanks | 08:14 |
| alexey_weyl | Great, I will update | 08:14 |
| alexey_weyl | I am working on 2 things at the moment | 08:15 |
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| alexey_weyl | 1. I am working on adding another tempest to the gate that will check the datasources tempests | 08:15 |
| alexey_weyl | at the moment we only have the api tempest | 08:15 |
| alexey_weyl | 2. I am working on making Vitrage work in liberty | 08:16 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: that's great, our coverage will be much more signiricant with datasources tempests | 08:16 |
| alexey_weyl | That includes the Vitrage processes themself and the horizon as well which means some work on the vitrage-dashboard | 08:16 |
| alexey_weyl | Both of the tasks are near to be finished | 08:17 |
| alexey_weyl | Thats it | 08:17 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl:great, thanks | 08:17 |
| ifat_afek | Anyone else wants to update? | 08:18 |
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| emalin | hi | 08:19 |
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| emalin | I'm using vitrage in some other project without openstack | 08:20 |
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| emalin | And enjoy has great features of deduced state and RCA | 08:20 |
| emalin | has=his | 08:20 |
| ifat_afek | emalin: :-) | 08:20 |
| emalin | I already install vitrage rpm in non openstack env, and it actually works !! | 08:21 |
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| emalin | I also plan to integrate vitrage with open id authentication protocl | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | emalin: wow! can you share some details? | 08:22 |
| emalin | which will replace keystone authentication in my env | 08:22 |
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| ifat_afek | emalin: and how are you running it now without keystone? | 08:23 |
| emalin | It's NFVO project | 08:23 |
| alexey_weyl | Wow, That is Great!!! :) | 08:23 |
| emalin | With RHEL 7.2 | 08:23 |
| emalin | Currently we disabled authentication. | 08:24 |
| emalin | But in the future I want to use similar approach for authentication like the one that used in Mistral | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | emalin: this sounds great | 08:25 |
| emalin | Another nice thing. I use non flat data in vitrage graph nodes, but using immutable dict | 08:25 |
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| emalin | but=by | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | emalin: you mean you put on the vertices properties which are dictionary? | 08:26 |
| emalin | I would share the code in vitrage mailing list | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | emalin: that's a great idea | 08:26 |
| emalin | ifat_afek - yes | 08:27 |
| emalin | That is my updated | 08:27 |
| emalin | update | 08:27 |
| nofar_schnider | nice emalin. I'm waiting to see the code on the list! | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | emalin: thanks! | 08:29 |
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| ifat_afek | Anyone else wants to update? | 08:29 |
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| ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 08:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:31 | |
| ifat_afek | Anything you would like to raise? | 08:31 |
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| ifat_afek | So I guess we are done for today | 08:33 |
| ifat_afek | Goodbye :-) | 08:33 |
| nofar_schnider | bye guys | 08:33 |
| danoffek | by guys | 08:33 |
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| elisha_r | bye. | 08:34 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 08:34:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-07-20-08.00.html | 08:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-07-20-08.00.txt | 08:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-07-20-08.00.log.html | 08:34 |
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| tangchen00 | hi, is the api meeting here now? | 13:04 |
| tangchen00 | nova api meeting | 13:04 |
| oomichi | tangchen00: I guess no meeting today because of nova mid-cycle meetup | 13:04 |
| tangchen00 | oh, ok | 13:05 |
| tangchen00 | thanks | 13:05 |
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| therve | #startmeeting heat | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 15:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is therve. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 15:00 |
| therve | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
| prazumovsky | hello | 15:00 |
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| duvarenkov | hi | 15:00 |
| cwolferh | o/ | 15:00 |
| ramishra | hi | 15:01 |
| spzala_ | Hi | 15:01 |
| therve | skraynev around? | 15:01 |
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| zaneb | o/ | 15:01 |
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| mfedosin | o/ | 15:01 |
| therve | #topic Adding items to agenda | 15:01 |
| kairat | o/ | 15:01 |
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| therve | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-07-20_1500_UTC.29 | 15:02 |
| therve | Feel free to add stuff | 15:02 |
| skraynev | yeap | 15:02 |
| skraynev | hi all | 15:02 |
| jmiu | o/ hi | 15:02 |
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| Drago | o/ | 15:03 |
| therve | #topic Gate failures | 15:03 |
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| therve | So, it seems we're a bit better recently | 15:03 |
| therve | The lbaas test should be fixed | 15:03 |
| therve | ramishra, Could you re-enable it btw? | 15:03 |
| therve | We're still seeing failures with image download, but a bit less I feel since I changed to the fedora image | 15:04 |
| ramishra | yeah I can, I think you had a patch already should remove the depends-on | 15:04 |
| therve | I made a stupid code change in it too | 15:04 |
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| therve | I don't remember if you need it to trigger builds | 15:04 |
| ramishra | I don't see any db ResourceClosed failures off late. May be some of the patches by stevebaker fixed them:) | 15:05 |
| therve | Yeah. It's a bit bad we don't know which one :) | 15:06 |
| therve | Anyway, we should merge things a bit quicker, let's try to keep it this way. Please continue to report intermittent errors | 15:06 |
| therve | #topic n3 status | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "n3 status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 15:06 | |
| therve | So I wanted to make a quick status update, as n2 went by fast :) | 15:06 |
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| therve | We're still behind on convergence, with cancel update still in progress | 15:07 |
| therve | It seems to still WIP :/ | 15:07 |
| therve | We may have to revert back to disable it if it's not in by n3 | 15:07 |
| therve | external resources is still pending, patch not reviewable that I can see | 15:08 |
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| therve | conditions support is moving, though the last patch is a bit big so getting so renewed feedback | 15:08 |
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| therve | zaneb, You have that series about cancel update, but it seems to be merging nicely? | 15:09 |
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| therve | And stevebaker's db patches are moving too, please review that as well | 15:09 |
| therve | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/newton-3 | 15:10 |
| therve | BTW :) | 15:10 |
| zaneb | therve: yeah, just need reviews on the last 3 patches that actually fix the bugs :) | 15:10 |
| therve | prazumovsky, What's the status on get-reality-for-resources? Just need a billion reviews? | 15:11 |
| therve | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/get-reality-for-resources ouch :) | 15:11 |
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| skraynev | therve: I worried about Migration to glance v2, as I see it's not done yet. However AFAIK, v1 was deprecated. | 15:12 |
| skraynev | so we need to do it during Newton | 15:12 |
| mfedosin | glance v1 is not deprecated yet | 15:12 |
| therve | Do we? | 15:12 |
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| mfedosin | patch is on review but it's not merged | 15:12 |
| prazumovsky | therve: exactly. think to reduce patches to one per folder, e.g. one for sahara, one for neutron, etc. | 15:12 |
| therve | prazumovsky, I think it's nice as it is | 15:13 |
| therve | prazumovsky, We just need to bug people :) | 15:13 |
| therve | skraynev, Even if it is, it's not going away anytime soon | 15:13 |
| therve | I don't think we're in a hurry | 15:13 |
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| skraynev | therve: also about get_reality ... I thought, that it should be on hold, while convergence has not good feedback (during one release) | 15:14 |
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| mfedosin | I think I'll send a message to ML and add Heat tag there - because Horizon requires setting custom locations too | 15:14 |
| therve | skraynev, I think that's fine, those are independent | 15:14 |
| skraynev | mfedosin: I thought, that nit was deprecated already... | 15:14 |
| skraynev | s/nit/it | 15:15 |
| zaneb | deprecated is not the same as removed | 15:15 |
| mfedosin | until all projects support v2 we can't deprecate v1 :( | 15:15 |
| skraynev | therve: ok, in that case we may do review | 15:15 |
| prazumovsky | therve: OK, will spam with ask for review. I think so, get_reality is deep phase 2, we should successfully complete all phases before | 15:15 |
| zaneb | deprecated means you should start migrating because it's going to get removed in the future | 15:15 |
| mfedosin | here's the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328390/ | 15:15 |
| therve | prazumovsky, Your call. I don't want to lose those patches | 15:15 |
| skraynev | zaneb: true, but be prepared, better ,than do it with fired head :) | 15:16 |
| therve | mfedosin, That's the other way around, you should deprecate to motivate people to move :) | 15:16 |
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| therve | Anything else on n3? | 15:16 |
| skraynev | zaneb: s/fired/ fire on the head ;) | 15:16 |
| therve | FWIW, I'll be away most of august, just to be back to make the release. | 15:16 |
| zaneb | skraynev: right, but just because it might be deprecated in this release doesn't mean we have to stop using it in this release. it does mean we should stop using it in the next release | 15:16 |
| mfedosin | therve: tell it to our ptl | 15:16 |
| therve | So don't count on me for reviews and stuff | 15:17 |
| therve | mfedosin, Ah :) | 15:17 |
| therve | #topic Integration with Glare service | 15:17 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: agree. I just thought, that it was deprecated in mitaka and be removed in O | 15:17 |
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| therve | mfedosin, I think that's on you | 15:17 |
| mfedosin | therve: yeah | 15:18 |
| skraynev | zaneb: so right now it's not really big issue | 15:18 |
| mfedosin | so, we developed a service that allows to store various structures | 15:18 |
| therve | I looked at the proposition, and I think we need both | 15:18 |
| zaneb | skraynev: fair enough :) | 15:18 |
| therve | mfedosin, Yeah assume people know that :) | 15:18 |
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| mfedosin | we call these structures artifacts :) | 15:19 |
| ramishra | I agree, we should start with option 1 and support both | 15:19 |
| therve | ramishra, +1 | 15:19 |
| mfedosin | and now we want to define how heat artifact type will look like | 15:19 |
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| therve | But if at some point we can't change the environment of a template, that's a bummer | 15:19 |
| therve | That's the whole point | 15:20 |
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| mfedosin | so, here's my vision of artifact type for option 1 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-artifact-type | 15:20 |
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| therve | mfedosin, env ought to be a list, I think | 15:21 |
| therve | A list of dict I mean | 15:21 |
| mfedosin | list of blobs? | 15:21 |
| mfedosin | I thought that env is a yaml file | 15:22 |
| therve | Ah yeah | 15:22 |
| skraynev | therve: ideally we wanted to involve more people and especially guys from Tripleo to get final decision. which of two approaches should be used | 15:22 |
| skraynev | So it's the main question which kind of artifact is more preferable | 15:22 |
| therve | skraynev, In the long term, just having option 1 is wrong | 15:23 |
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| therve | You want to be able to say "use that template with that environment" | 15:23 |
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| kairat | it depends how you are going to use glare | 15:23 |
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| therve | But, we can build it later once we see how it goes | 15:23 |
| duvarenkov | There is also a spec for integration of Heat with Glare - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315439/ - still not final | 15:23 |
| therve | kairat, Well otherwise we copy the templates in several places | 15:24 |
| skraynev | kairat: is it difficult to add new artifact type later ? | 15:24 |
| mfedosin | I think we should start with option 1 | 15:24 |
| therve | Randall just responded about that one too | 15:24 |
| mfedosin | and then we can add another artifact type for ens if it's required | 15:25 |
| kairat | skraynev, you can do that but once it published you have to deal with compatibility | 15:25 |
| kairat | glare will have versioning for artifact types in roadmap so it is feasible | 15:25 |
| mfedosin | kairat: +1 | 15:26 |
| therve | kairat, I think that's fine that env can be in the template artifact | 15:26 |
| therve | Ultimately, it should exist outside though | 15:26 |
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| therve | Independently I should say | 15:26 |
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| therve | mfedosin, Do you have your answers, or do we need to continue to discuss this? | 15:28 |
| ramishra | Are we the first ones to start experimenting with glare? not a bad proposition though;) | 15:28 |
| mfedosin | ramishra: murano has been using glare for some time | 15:28 |
| skraynev | ramishra:honestly we are the second | 15:28 |
| skraynev | ;) | 15:28 |
| kairat | not only | 15:28 |
| kairat | we got response from Tacker team AFAIK | 15:28 |
| mfedosin | also tacker and app-catalog | 15:29 |
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| kairat | they are willing to user | 15:29 |
| kairat | and of course app-catalog | 15:29 |
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| mfedosin | Now I have a perfect vision how to implement heat artifact type | 15:29 |
| kairat | the final idea is to build app-catalog that can be integrated with global app-catalog | 15:29 |
| kairat | so you can spread your work across OS | 15:29 |
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| mfedosin | I'll add my thoughts to the related spec | 15:29 |
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| mfedosin | btw, can you answer my message in ML and confirm that you're going to use glare | 15:30 |
| mfedosin | ? | 15:30 |
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| kairat | We also heard some requests from magnum | 15:31 |
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| mfedosin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099553.html | 15:31 |
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| kairat | but nothing concrete TBH | 15:31 |
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| therve | Okay! | 15:32 |
| therve | #topic Open discussion | 15:32 |
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| therve | Well that's calm :) | 15:34 |
| zaneb | I added an agenda item :) | 15:34 |
| zaneb | are we going to get a mascot? | 15:34 |
| zaneb | can we keep our flame logo? | 15:34 |
| ramishra | +1 | 15:34 |
| zaneb | (and get it redrawn to match the others) | 15:34 |
| therve | Ah yeah I got an email about that | 15:34 |
| Drago | redrawn +1 | 15:35 |
| zaneb | flames are natural | 15:35 |
| therve | zaneb, That's what I answered, yes. We'll see how it goes. | 15:35 |
| zaneb | so I'm hoping we won't run into the same issues as other projects that already have logos | 15:35 |
| zaneb | therve: cool, thanks | 15:35 |
| therve | Apparently they were keen on keeping that theme | 15:36 |
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| therve | But yeah I haven't send something specific for Heat. If you feel we should have another mascot, don't hesitate to send a message to the ML | 15:37 |
| therve | zaneb, Don't click on "minor change" otherwise I don't get the email :p | 15:38 |
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| therve | Anything else? | 15:39 |
| zaneb | therve: didn't think I had, but I did it after the meeting started ;) | 15:39 |
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| therve | 3 | 15:39 |
| therve | 2 | 15:39 |
| therve | 1 | 15:39 |
| skraynev | nothing from me | 15:39 |
| therve | #endmeeting | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 15:39:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:39 |
| therve | Thanks all! | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-07-20-15.00.html | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-07-20-15.00.txt | 15:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-07-20-15.00.log.html | 15:39 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 16:02:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:02 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:02 | |
| coolsvap | o/ | 16:02 |
| sdake | \o/ :) | 16:02 |
| hrito | o/ | 16:02 |
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| Jeffrey4l | \o/ | 16:03 |
| wirehead_ | o/ | 16:04 |
| sdake | #topic midcycle discussion | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "midcycle discussion (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:04 | |
| sdake | this will probablybe a short meeting | 16:04 |
| sdake | i just want to focus on one thing the midcycle produced | 16:04 |
| sdake | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-N-midcycle-priority | 16:05 |
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| sdake | please open :) | 16:05 |
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| sdake | so we flat ranked every priority | 16:05 |
| sdake | based upon our 1-whatever | 16:06 |
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| sdake | that is what the numbers represent | 16:06 |
| rhallisey | hey | 16:06 |
| sdake | lower = more imporant to people | 16:06 |
| sdake | hey rhallisey | 16:06 |
| sdake | just going through priorities now | 16:06 |
| sdake | lets go through em one at a time | 16:06 |
| sdake | documentation | 16:06 |
| sdake | rhallisey is leading that up | 16:06 |
| sdake | we produced a new structure for the documentatoin | 16:06 |
| sdake | the big thing we are doing here is breaking out the conditional logic from the nonconditional logic | 16:07 |
| rhallisey | I put up some patches to re wrok it | 16:07 |
| sdake | e.g. "i centos do this if ubuntu do this" | 16:07 |
| sdake | documentation is one of the most important things a project can produce | 16:07 |
| rhallisey | pbourke, pointed out a better way to do it | 16:07 |
| rhallisey | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/master/doc/install-guide/source/environment-memcached.rst | 16:07 |
| sdake | it lowers the core team's time output on evals | 16:07 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 16:08 |
| sdake | hey dave-mccowan | 16:08 |
| sdake | so rhallisey are you going to use this mechanis mand redo all the quickstart with it? | 16:08 |
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| rhallisey | yes | 16:08 |
| vhosakot | o/ sorry i'm late | 16:08 |
| sdake | how does only work | 16:09 |
| sdake | does it detect your host os | 16:09 |
| sdake | or do you select? | 16:09 |
| rhallisey | let me grab how it's rendered | 16:09 |
| coolsvap | i think it works on select | 16:09 |
| coolsvap | tripleo has similar doc structure | 16:09 |
| sdake | well anyway however its done | 16:09 |
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| sdake | its something that needs to land prior to newton ;) | 16:10 |
| rhallisey | http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/install-guide-ubuntu/environment-memcached.html | 16:10 |
| rhallisey | that's how it's rendered | 16:10 |
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| coolsvap | how ubuntu/centos is selected? | 16:11 |
| sdake | bifrost and host playbooks | 16:11 |
| sdake | we also decided we want to make this ahappen befoe newton | 16:11 |
| sdake | if your interested in getting involved sean needs help | 16:11 |
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| sdake | he is going to place items in teh work list in launchpad | 16:11 |
| sdake | rather work items in the work list ;) | 16:11 |
| sdake | customization | 16:12 |
| sdake | inc0 is leading nthis effort | 16:12 |
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| sdake | we definately need this functionality | 16:12 |
| sdake | one interesting thing customizations may offerus in the future is pluggability | 16:12 |
| sdake | i tihnk we will have to think more about that next cycle | 16:12 |
| sdake | monitoring we pushed to occata | 16:12 |
| sdake | voting gates was hot topic | 16:12 |
| sdake | we are going to make the build gates voting as soon as feasible | 16:13 |
| sdake | this depends on me finishign the job on the mirroring | 16:13 |
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| sdake | there are 3 mirrors to go | 16:13 |
| sdake | for ubuntu | 16:13 |
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| sdake | then we will have an ubuntu voting gate | 16:13 |
| sdake | there are 4-5 mirrors for centos | 16:13 |
| sdake | then we will have a centos voting gate | 16:13 |
| sdake | this is for build only | 16:13 |
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| sdake | any questions? | 16:14 |
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| sdake | repo split | 16:16 |
| sdake | we moved to passt branch | 16:17 |
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| sdake | still open for discussion | 16:17 |
| sdake | depends on core review team to handle backportss properly | 16:17 |
| rhallisey | sdake, I have a draft email for that | 16:17 |
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| sdake | non-ini config | 16:17 |
| sdake | we need that | 16:17 |
| rhallisey | it will start the vote | 16:17 |
| sdake | inc0 is going to tackle that | 16:17 |
| rhallisey | send it out after the meeting | 16:17 |
| sdake | osic cluster | 16:18 |
| sdake | we have about 8-10 test cases | 16:18 |
| sdake | after which we will pubilsh a whitepaper on the effort | 16:18 |
| sdake | 1-2 pages | 16:19 |
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| coolsvap | this is good when are we starting it? | 16:20 |
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| sdake | huh? | 16:20 |
| coolsvap | dates i mean | 16:20 |
| coolsvap | tentative | 16:20 |
| sdake | 2-3 weeks out | 16:20 |
| sdake | i'd have to check the mailing list | 16:20 |
| sdake | i'll ask inc0 to send out a formal announcement | 16:21 |
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| coolsvap | it starts in couple of days | 16:21 |
| coolsvap | 3 weeks between 7/22 and 8/14 | 16:21 |
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| sdake | thanks | 16:22 |
| sdake | i guess we better get cracking on that then | 16:22 |
| sdake | that is what is officially on our plate for newton | 16:22 |
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| sdake | the above | 16:22 |
| sdake | if you work on something else - sweet ;) | 16:22 |
| sdake | but these are the things we think are best for project progression | 16:22 |
| sdake | i idn't mention k8s | 16:23 |
| sdake | kolla-kubernetes is early - i expect folks there to work on whatever needs to be worked on | 16:23 |
| rhallisey | ya it's all spelled out in launchpad | 16:23 |
| sdake | once we have a working release - which could be 3-12 months out, we will probbly end up wit this same priority planning | 16:23 |
| sdake | ok well I know that was alot to absorb ;) | 16:23 |
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| sdake | #topic open discussion | 16:24 |
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| sdake | if no open discussion, we can end the meeting | 16:24 |
| coolsvap | no use of updating the agenda on wiki :/ | 16:25 |
| Jeffrey4l | about COPY_ONCE | 16:25 |
| coolsvap | i think Jeffrey4l added something to meeting | 16:25 |
| coolsvap | here we go | 16:25 |
| rhallisey | there's some stuff in the agenda | 16:25 |
| sdake | my bad, i didn't think the agenda got updated | 16:25 |
| sdake | since we had the midcycle | 16:25 |
| Jeffrey4l | should we remove COPY_ONCE now or future? | 16:25 |
| coolsvap | not all people attended midcyle :) | 16:25 |
| sdake | #topic remove copy_once | 16:25 |
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| Jeffrey4l | it cause many confuse and there are lots of codes to handle it. | 16:26 |
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| rhallisey | it was the idempotent option | 16:27 |
| rhallisey | or however we talked about it | 16:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | But i think few/none people use that copy mode. ( we have copy_always in default now) | 16:27 |
| rhallisey | ya I don't know who uses copy_once either | 16:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | iirc, this is talked in the mitaka cycle. | 16:27 |
| sdake | my take is we keep it for now | 16:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | after that, we move from copy_once to copy_always as default. | 16:28 |
| sdake | i have heard alot of people want to use it for products | 16:28 |
| sdake | copy_alwyas is already the default | 16:28 |
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| Jeffrey4l | yes. but remove copy_once save lots of code and logical. | 16:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | :) | 16:28 |
| rhallisey | Jeffrey4l, how can we make it less confusing | 16:28 |
| rhallisey | well that's maybe more of a general question | 16:29 |
| Jeffrey4l | remove it... rhallisey :( | 16:29 |
| sdake | i've been telling folks for 3 years we offer immutable containers | 16:29 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. | 16:29 |
| sdake | if we remove copy_once we remove immutable containers from our stack | 16:29 |
| sdake | i'm not opposed to making that announcement | 16:29 |
| sdake | but think it involves a more thorough discussion then an irc meeting | 16:29 |
| Jeffrey4l | got. | 16:30 |
| rhallisey | immutable that's the word I was looking for | 16:30 |
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| Jeffrey4l | another question: how about heka? should we go back to logstash in the future? | 16:31 |
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| sdake | #topic heka EOL | 16:31 |
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| sdake | logstash is a nonstarter | 16:32 |
| sdake | logstash is EOL as well :( | 16:32 |
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| rhallisey | so what isn't EOL | 16:32 |
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| Jeffrey4l | so what is the best tool? | 16:32 |
| sdake | ya annoying | 16:33 |
| sdake | that post mentions hindsight | 16:33 |
| sdake | there is another thing from the elastic people | 16:33 |
| Jeffrey4l | It has currently no mailing list, the docs are minimal, and there are | 16:33 |
| Jeffrey4l | no configuration examples (except the benchmarks dir). Any plan to | 16:33 |
| Jeffrey4l | improve this? Heka's doc is one of its "selling" points. | 16:33 |
| sdake | it was unclear to me how long heka would live | 16:33 |
| Jeffrey4l | ^from mail list about hindsight | 16:34 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l where is that from | 16:34 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah. I'm kinda anti-heka. | 16:34 |
| Jeffrey4l | https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/heka/2016-May/001061.html sdake | 16:34 |
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| wirehead_ | https://github.com/elastic/beats is the designated 'elasticsearch' solution. | 16:35 |
| wirehead_ | I rather much like, as a kubernetes snob, the notion of having logging go to stdout. | 16:35 |
| Mech422 | there's telegraf if another 'go' based option is desired | 16:35 |
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| wirehead_ | And then have all of the collection and tagging and organization of logs be done outside of the running process containers. That might be a tall order for Ansible. | 16:36 |
| wirehead_ | Beats is also GO. | 16:36 |
| Jeffrey4l | wirehead_, forcing all the app to print the log to stdout is hard | 16:36 |
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| sdake | ok well - 3 months is not sufficient time to absorb this change | 16:36 |
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| sdake | with all the other work we have on our plate | 16:36 |
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| sdake | if someone wants to start prototyping a solution -w fm :) | 16:36 |
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| sdake | anyone have a better solution? | 16:37 |
| wirehead_ | Jeffrey4l: Indeed. Then again, that's how all of my non-OpenStack projects in the past 5 years have worked and it's worked out quite well. | 16:37 |
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| Jeffrey4l | sdake, no :( | 16:38 |
| sdake | ok so lets fix things up to beats | 16:38 |
| sdake | unless someone has a different plan | 16:39 |
| sdake | but lets do it at the start of the cycle | 16:39 |
| Jeffrey4l | wirehead_, ya. use stdout is cool. But there are some app can not print log to stdout. | 16:39 |
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| Mech422 | pity beats doesnt seem to have a ceph module yet | 16:40 |
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| Jeffrey4l | so move on? | 16:41 |
| Jeffrey4l | Ceph bug in Liberty & Mitaka - https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1604129 | 16:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1604129 in kolla "storage_interface problem" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Bartłomiej Daca (bartek-daca) | 16:41 |
| Jeffrey4l | there is a bug on the agenda. need more eyes. | 16:41 |
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| rhallisey | ya this is an intersting one | 16:41 |
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| rhallisey | bug with ansible >2.0.0 | 16:42 |
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| rhallisey | other way around | 16:42 |
| rhallisey | < 2.0.0 | 16:42 |
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| sdake | right | 16:43 |
| bdaca | in ansible >2.0.0 it is problematic too | 16:43 |
| rhallisey | bdaca, I though >2.0.0 fixes the issue? | 16:43 |
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| bdaca | yes, but open another one | 16:43 |
| bdaca | problem is: xtra vars are always on top | 16:44 |
| bdaca | so anything specified in inventory will fail | 16:44 |
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| rhallisey | bdaca, there's a fix for this in master though | 16:46 |
| sdake | anyone have time to fix this problem? | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | thought I saw some patches for it | 16:46 |
| bdaca | didn't see any | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | ok nvm | 16:46 |
| bdaca | i can handle this, just tell me if proposed fix is ok | 16:46 |
| bdaca | (in the last comment) | 16:47 |
| rhallisey | bdaca, ok will reivew | 16:47 |
| sdake | cool so lets just work this via the normal review process | 16:47 |
| sdake | rhallisey can you put a star on it plz | 16:47 |
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| rhallisey | roger | 16:47 |
| sdake | ok anything else? | 16:47 |
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| rhallisey | there's Project Mascot on the schedule | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | idk what that is | 16:48 |
| sdake | ya we already voted on this | 16:48 |
| coolsvap | we need to submit it before july 27 | 16:48 |
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| rhallisey | oh that's literally the mascot | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | I took that as something entirely different | 16:49 |
| sdake | its been submitted | 16:50 |
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| sdake | #topic open discussion | 16:51 |
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| sdake | guess took longer then i thought - apologies for not readin gthe agenda :( | 16:51 |
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| coolsvap | sdake: np | 16:52 |
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| sdake | ok thanks for coming | 16:53 |
| sdake | lets get cranking on getting our top dev priorities finished | 16:53 |
| sdake | if your looking for stuff not on the list, there are aother areas we can focus on such as the pain points | 16:53 |
| sdake | or just work on what you like | 16:54 |
| sdake | and we will sort it out at release time ;) | 16:54 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 16:54:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-07-20-16.02.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-07-20-16.02.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-07-20-16.02.log.html | 16:54 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 17:29 |
| boden | o/ | 17:29 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting networking_lib | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 17:30:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib' | 17:31 |
| dougwig | #topic Announcements | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:31 | |
| dougwig | I'm out next Wednesday. Any volunteers to chair the meeting? | 17:31 |
| boden | I’ve never done, but am happy to try | 17:31 |
| dougwig | sure. | 17:31 |
| dougwig | #action boden to chair next week's meeting | 17:32 |
| dougwig | #topic What changes are applicable to release notes? | 17:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "What changes are applicable to release notes? (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:32 | |
| dougwig | what do we have for release notes today? | 17:32 |
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| boden | I’m thinking none, but am trying to verify | 17:33 |
| * HenryG pops in fashionably late | 17:33 | |
| dougwig | do we need them for a developer library? likely, but i'm asking anyway. | 17:33 |
| HenryG | I think it would be nice for changes in the api contract | 17:34 |
| HenryG | Most of them will be for additions, I guess | 17:34 |
| dougwig | what do we think of the proposal for all interface changes require a reno? | 17:34 |
| boden | we talked about generating a changed API summary, IMHO that would suffice | 17:34 |
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| HenryG | That might work. We could generate a reno from that when tagging a release. | 17:35 |
| boden | I’m skipping ahead in topics, but its releated… #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/526626/ | 17:36 |
| dougwig | the auto-generation would be plenty for my tastes, personally. | 17:36 |
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| boden | is a sample | 17:36 |
| HenryG | LGTM | 17:36 |
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| dougwig | #action need to add lib release action to add a reno with auto-generated api differences | 17:37 |
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| dougwig | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/526626/ | 17:37 |
| dougwig | moving on | 17:37 |
| dougwig | #topic Does all public code needs doc string and perhaps adding a hacking check for it? | 17:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Does all public code needs doc string and perhaps adding a hacking check for it? (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:38 | |
| dougwig | my vote is yes, but we are adding barriers to moving code (new unit tests, new docstrings) | 17:38 |
| HenryG | IMO we should encourage it but not dictate it | 17:39 |
| boden | fair enough; we can dev-ref that public api “should” be documented, but no hacking check | 17:40 |
| HenryG | +1 | 17:40 |
| boden | I guess I’ll stop -1ing for missing docs :) | 17:40 |
| dougwig | can hacking checks be warnings? cleaning up the warnings might be good ATC fodder. | 17:40 |
| boden | I was thinking that too | 17:40 |
| boden | I can follow-up on if a check can warn | 17:41 |
| HenryG | Sounds good | 17:41 |
| dougwig | #action boden to check on if hacking checks can be warnings | 17:41 |
| dougwig | #topic public api report tool | 17:41 |
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| dougwig | boden, take it away | 17:42 |
| boden | so we just saw a sample of its output | 17:42 |
| HenryG | It seems to work well | 17:42 |
| boden | question is; do we care how pretty/robust this ‘tool’ is? | 17:42 |
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| boden | e.g. should I go off and make it nice | 17:42 |
| HenryG | I am inclined to approve it and we can fix issues as they arise | 17:42 |
| dougwig | i think what you had looked great for our purposes. likely don't need to spew the unchanged section. | 17:42 |
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| boden | dougwig: agree | 17:43 |
| boden | I have a few TODOs I want to clean up in that code | 17:43 |
| HenryG | It's not going to break any production code, so we can carry it with bugs and iterate | 17:43 |
| boden | then I’ll submit for review | 17:43 |
| dougwig | good. | 17:43 |
| boden | do you think it should be run as part of pep8? or may a standalone tox target for it? | 17:43 |
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| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 17:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:43 | |
| dougwig | anything else for today? | 17:43 |
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| boden | sorry: I had 1 more question ^ | 17:43 |
| HenryG | boden: I vote for standalone tox target | 17:44 |
| boden | works for me | 17:44 |
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| HenryG | boden: I think it doesn't need to run in the gate | 17:44 |
| boden | agreed | 17:44 |
| boden | nothing else from me | 17:45 |
| HenryG | Regarding base DB stuff, I need dougwig and kevinbenton to lay eyes on https://review.openstack.org/339875 | 17:45 |
| dougwig | ack | 17:46 |
| boden | HenryG: disregard my doc questions as per our discussion today on docs :) | 17:46 |
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| HenryG | boden: ack | 17:47 |
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| dougwig | ok, let's blast out of here and do some reviews. | 17:47 |
| dougwig | thanks all | 17:47 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 17:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 17:47:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-07-20-17.30.html | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-07-20-17.30.txt | 17:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-07-20-17.30.log.html | 17:47 |
| HenryG | thanks, ttyl | 17:48 |
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| JRobinson__ | Hello all, there has been a short delay, but I will start the User Guide Meeting, depending on numbers | 21:07 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 21:19 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 21:19:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:19 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:19 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docuserguides' | 21:19 |
| JRobinson__ | Okay, so since it looks like just me, I'll list the key topics currently facing the user guides: | 21:20 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Discuss IA plan now it is up - Talk about any further points to add, make a blueprint. - Add PythonSDK items and OpenStack Client items. | 21:20 |
| JRobinson__ | Items left from the edits recommended back in Mitaka - Checkout a bug? | 21:20 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic Link changes - We have several links to change. The Cloud-admin-Guide to Administrator Guide, and User-guide-admin to Administrator Guide. http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=docs.openstack.org%5C%2Fadmin-guide-cloud&i=nope&files=&repos= | 21:20 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic Open discussion | 21:20 |
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| JRobinson__ | I have an IA plan that has several items to work on and incorporate. I may adapt this into a spec, or a blueprint. | 21:21 |
| JRobinson__ | #action - source feedback on spec or blueprint | 21:21 |
| JRobinson__ | The other point is just link changes, which a contributor has offered to help with. | 21:22 |
| JRobinson__ | I'll keep the meeting open for another few minutes in case there are any other points. | 21:22 |
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| JRobinson__ | okay, thanks all | 21:36 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 21:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 21:36:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-07-20-21.19.html | 21:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-07-20-21.19.txt | 21:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-07-20-21.19.log.html | 21:36 |
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| JRobinson__ | Hello all. I'll start the user guide meeting soon, depending on numbers | 23:29 |
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| JRobinson__ | okay, thanks, please checkout the US meeting minutes for the User Guide current tasks | 23:56 |
| JRobinson__ | o/ | 23:56 |
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