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ifat_afek#startmeeting vitrage08:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 27 08:01:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vitrage'08:01
eyalbhi08:01
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elisha_rhi08:01
ifat_afekHi everyone!08:02
alexey_weyl:)08:02
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nbloomHi08:04
ifat_afekOur agenda today:08:04
ifat_afek* Status and Updates08:04
ifat_afek* Open Discussion08:04
ifat_afek#topic Status and Updates08:04
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ifat_afekThe voting for Barcelona sessions has started!08:05
ifat_afek#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/vote-for-speakers/08:05
ifat_afekVitrage submitted 8 sessions08:05
ifat_afekPlease enter the link, and select "Vitrage" in the search box to get the first 7 sessions. Then, select "RCA" to get the last one08:05
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ifat_afekGood luck to us!!08:06
ifat_afekVitrage mascot selection - our list has slightly changed.08:06
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ifat_afekHeidi Joy Tretheway, who leads the mascot selection process, said we won't be able to vote for the tree as Senlin are using a forest. I asked her to reconsider it08:06
ifat_afekIn addition, Telemetry selected a Meerkat, which is a Surricata. I agreed to let them have it.08:06
ifat_afekAfter we lost our two favorite candidates, we thought of adding a Giraffe. It sees everything from above, and its skin can be colored like a Vitrage08:06
ifat_afekSo our candidates would be: Giraffe, Parrot and Butterfly. If you have other suggestions, maybe we can still add them to the list. Heidi is supposed to close the lists today (for everyone ) and then we should vote08:06
ifat_afek#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-mascot08:06
ifat_afekWho wants to update?08:07
nbloomHi, I'll update08:07
nbloomI'm nearly done with the zabbix datasource notifications, hopefully I'll get it pushed by the end of this day.08:08
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nbloomAlong with the vitrage part of the code there's also an auxiliary script written which is needed be attached to zabbix as a mediatype, the script is responsible for sending vitrage notifications per zabbix event i.e. trigger value changed from problem to ok and vice versa08:10
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nbloomthat's it for now.. :)08:10
ifat_afeknbloom: and the script should be configured in zabbix?08:10
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nbloomyes, along with the script there is also a readme explaining the process of linking the script to zabbix. In addition, there's a similar rst file that will be published with vitrage's docs08:11
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ifat_afeknbloom: great, thanks08:12
ifat_afekalso, please add a blueprint for zabbix notifications datasoruce08:12
nbloomsure, will be done today!08:12
alexey_weylI have an update08:12
alexey_weylI am working on Vitrage compitability for liberty cycle08:13
alexey_weylIt is almost working, but still have some problem with the change passing the Vitrage tempests, because the keystoneauth1 version is differernt08:14
alexey_weylit is working in the vitrage code, but I still have a problem in the vitrageclient code08:14
alexey_weylneed to change there the authentication08:14
alexey_weylDone :)08:15
ifat_afekalaxey_weyl: thanks!08:15
ifat_afekAnyone else wants to update?08:15
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ifat_afekWe had one action item from the last meeting:08:17
ifat_afek* danoffek add heat blueprint08:17
ifat_afekHe was unable to join the meeting, but I know that he did add this blueprint08:17
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elisha_rI'll go next08:18
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elisha_rAs part of Zabbix datasource support, there is also an effort (mainly liat and nofar, and hopefully soon myself as well) to add zabbix-based vitrage-templates08:20
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elisha_rThis raises a general issue we need to address: how do we make vitrage work out-of-the-box for users08:21
elisha_rThe dilemma is as follows: vitrage templates use the name of the alarm as part of their structure08:22
elisha_rbut the exact name might change for each user (e.g., a cpu-threshold test can be called "cpu util" "cpu load" etc)08:22
ifat_afekelisha_r: so it depends on the zabbix configuration, right?08:23
elisha_rI think what we need to do is try and locate *classic* packages for zabbix, nagios, sensu etc., and build template suites for these. That way, people can use Vitrage OOTB by adding these test packages.08:24
ifat_afekelisha_r: I agree. At least a naiive user will be able to use the classic zabbix packages and have vitrage configured without extra effort08:25
ifat_afekand for more complex use cases there will be a need to copy-paste and modify the templates08:25
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elisha_rEven if we do this, though, I think it raises a question of how to store and manage these template suites. We could (1) have them stored as a list of TARs that can be downloaded separately,08:26
ifat_afekwhy not have them in a folder for copy-paste?08:27
elisha_ror (2) they could all be installed by default, but then we need to be able to select which is loaded into vitrage, some sort of config file08:27
elisha_rwe could do copy-paste, but I think configuration is more simple to manage, allowing turning on/off easily08:27
ifat_afekregarding [2] - this is in our roadmap. To have a "bank" of templates, and let the user activate or deactivate them. But of course it is much more work to implement08:28
ifat_afekSo I guess we can start with [1] and improve it in the next versions08:28
elisha_rre [2] - I agree, but I think there is room to distinguish between bulk loading and selecting individual tests.08:29
elisha_rbut of course, we should start with [1]08:29
elisha_rA similar issue should be raised regarding support for external datasource "update" functionality08:30
ifat_afekwhat do you mean?08:30
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elisha_rfor example, for Zabbix support noam (nbloom) wrote a plugin for Zabbix. This is not installed in Vitrage, but in Zabbix, to notify Vitrage of changes. The question is, how to manage these in the code base. For now I think the solution was to have, for each datasource, an "auxiliary" folder to place these, and then have a README/RST to explain where the files should go, how to configure etc.08:32
ifat_afekgot it. you are right, we need to decide on a consistent way to handle it08:32
nbloomI think you're right too08:33
ifat_afekcool08:33
ifat_afekAny other updates?08:33
ifat_afek#topic Open Discussion08:34
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ifat_afekAnything you would like to raise?08:34
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ifat_afekI guess we are done for today08:36
ifat_afekGoodbye :-)08:36
elisha_rbye08:36
eyalbbye08:36
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ifat_afek#endmeeting08:37
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johnthetubaguyso its api meeting time13:01
sdagueo/13:01
sdaguewho all is here?13:02
sdague#startmeeting nova-api13:02
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johnthetubaguy#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaAPI13:02
gmann_o/13:02
woodster_o/13:03
sdagueok, I'm still catching up on where things stand. Let's do this quickish.13:03
sdague#topic API priorities for Newton13:03
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sdague#info API proxy deprecation landed as mv 2.23613:03
sdague#info API proxy deprecation landed as mv 2.3613:04
gmann_great things :)13:04
johnthetubaguy2.236 I thought I was transported to the future for a moment13:04
sdaguewe decided that we'd only land 2 more mv this cycle, get me a network as 2.37, and there is a bug fix for 2.38 that ed was working on13:04
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sdaguehttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-newton-midcycle @ L39313:05
sdaguewere all the notes from the mid cycle there13:05
sdagueI started striking out things that are done13:06
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sdagueso we also have gmann_'s image ref fix - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338802/13:06
sdaguegmann_: is that ready now?13:06
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johnthetubaguyits adding a microversion still13:07
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gmann_sdague: yea, i need to update that to make more changes, to remove more stuff on uuid fetch from url13:07
sdagueah, ok, we should get rid of that part13:07
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gmann_johnthetubaguy: i removed that but need more changes as we clean up this as bug13:07
johnthetubaguyI think just landing the validation is worth while, we can follow up with the other bits13:07
gmann_sdague: johnthetubaguy i will do that on tomorrow.13:07
sdaguegmann_: sounds good13:07
gmann_johnthetubaguy: ok, i am ok with that way also.13:08
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gmann_johnthetubaguy: or just wait till tomorrow :)13:08
johnthetubaguyyup, getting it all tomorrow is cool :)13:08
sdagueto follow on with the proxy item before, dansmith is working on the novaclient changes for the CLI, the first pass yesterday looked like a reasonable direction13:08
gmann_yea, it will cleanup sample files also13:08
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/347514/13:08
sdaguethe last fully uncovered bit for the API this cycle is - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324068/13:09
sdaguewhich is the user_id policy enforcement13:10
sdaguejichen had some bug fix code around that early on, I'm hoping we can revive that and run with it.13:10
gmann_sdague: 1 query on that, reboot is with user policy or without?13:10
sdagueI think we said no13:10
sdagueyeh, if it's not on that action list, then it's not13:10
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/324068/3/specs/newton/approved/user_id_based_policy_enforcement.rst@6313:11
gmann_sdague: humm but reboot can be destructive sometime when server does not come up on reboot13:11
sdaguereboot is disruptive, it's not destructive13:11
sdaguegmann_: so can many other options13:11
johnthetubaguywe want to kill this13:12
sdaguewe're not trying to prevent every single way things can go wrong with servers13:12
sdagueright... this is intentionally not a complete answer13:12
johnthetubaguyso I think supporting the minimum level of stuff makes sense here13:12
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: ++13:12
johnthetubaguyyeah, sends the right, we are helping while we transition you to something better message13:12
gmann_sdague: yea if all fine but if someone else reboot and something happens wrong then it destruct the other VM13:13
sdaguegmann_: yep13:13
johnthetubaguythats intentional, its just a loose don't kill me separation13:13
johnthetubaguything is, we could add reboot later, if that turns out to be the wrong place to put the line, but by that time we have a nice pattern, so it seems a good first stab at doing the minimum13:14
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sdaguegmann_: the problem with that logic is all of a sudden then you have to start adding back in interface management, security group management, etc13:14
sdaguebecause all those things could make a server non responsive13:14
johnthetubaguysdague: +1 that list gets very big very quickly13:14
sdagueand we specifically said, this is not a complete solution13:14
gmann_sdague: ahhh, yea even console etc also13:14
sdaguebecause we don't want people using this feature13:14
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gmann_hummm13:15
johnthetubaguyI mean just doing it on delete is also another option, but I prefer this slightly more complete list13:15
sdaguethe operators that weighed in on this found this to be enough for their needs13:15
johnthetubaguyright, thats the key bit13:15
johnthetubaguythe folks who have bit worries felt happy with this list13:16
gmann_johnthetubaguy: sdague i see the point now.13:16
sdagueso, I think the list of actions is fixed13:16
sdagueit's just about implementation now13:16
gmann_and if more action on demand we can add later13:16
sdaguegmann_: right, but we'll push back pretty hard13:16
gmann_yes.13:16
sdaguebecause, again, this isn't an operating model we want to support13:16
gmann_sdague: johnthetubaguy cool, Thanks for clarification.13:17
johnthetubaguyI have asked the OSIC folks if anyone wants to take this, but I might just leave that for the backport13:17
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: cool13:17
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sdagueok13:17
gmann_i can also help13:17
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gmann_johnthetubaguy: you mean backport part can be taken by OSIC folks?13:18
sdaguegmann_: great, I've got my hands full on a few other things this week, so if you or anyone else can start in on the implementation, that would be great13:18
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johnthetubaguygmann_: possibly, yes, at least I hope so13:18
gmann_sdague: yea, i will start on that.13:18
sdaguegmann_: thank you13:18
gmann_johnthetubaguy: cool, i will start and then backport can be helped by them13:19
johnthetubaguygmann: sounds good13:19
sdague#action gmann_ to start on user_id policy patches13:19
gmann_Thanks13:19
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sdagueok, policy in code....13:21
sdagueare there any updates or needs there, that one I'm not on top of atm13:21
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johnthetubaguyI haven't checked with claudio yet either13:22
sdagueok13:22
johnthetubaguyI think we agreed baby steps for next cycle, trying out a few existing operations to help the road to unblocking live-resize13:22
sdagueright, mostly i was wondering if there is anything outstanding for newton we need to land13:22
johnthetubaguythere is an entry point from alaski13:23
johnthetubaguyand possibly the nova-manage stuff to check against a specific user for their policy13:23
sdagueok, do we have patches up?13:23
johnthetubaguythere, were just hunting13:24
johnthetubaguyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/discoverable-policy-cli,n,z13:24
sdagueok, great13:25
johnthetubaguyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/335667/13:25
gmann_and some cli or tox env to generate the merged policy sample file with default and overridden rules13:25
gmann_i remember we discussing the same in summit13:25
sdague#action please review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/discoverable-policy-cli,n,z13:25
sdaguethe last priority is api-ref - which we're now 75% done13:25
sdaguethe plan is to do a final api-ref sprint post freeze13:26
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sdagueso it doesn't distract during milestone 313:26
gmann_+113:27
woodster_sdague: so done for Newton RC?13:27
johnthetubaguysounds good13:27
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sdaguewoodster_: yeh, more or less13:27
sdaguebecause it's docs from master, it won't really be impacted by the freeze in the same way13:27
woodster_sdague: nice13:28
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sdagueok, I think that's about it on priorities13:29
sdague#topic Open Discussion13:29
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sdagueany further topics that people want to discuss?13:29
gmann_1 i have13:30
gmann_i am doing date-time strict checking in response schema o tempest side13:30
gmann_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304441/13:30
gmann_to make sure we use same format for that in all APIs13:30
gmann_but seems like Image API have different format in header13:31
gmann_this failure- http://logs.openstack.org/41/304441/2/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/ca98815/logs/testr_results.html.gz13:31
sdaguethe real image API, or our proxy?13:31
gmann_ListImageFiltersTestJSON) tests13:31
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gmann_sdague:  list image, on nova side i think but need to dig the code13:32
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gmann_should we fix it in those are image API at are deprecated ?13:32
gmann_at> etc13:32
sdaguegmann_: well, honestly, we should probably make those tempest tests talk directly to glance instead of through Nova13:33
sdagueI don't think fixing the image proxy is really a thing we should do here13:33
gmann_sdague: yea, that's what my thinking13:33
sdaguebecause it's likely to break people that depended on the old format, and it's deprecated13:33
gmann_sdague: yea, we can loosen up the schema for that.13:34
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gmann_sdague:  as you pointed, should we change all image API call to glance on tempest ?13:35
gmann_sdague: mean no proxy API use in tempest13:35
sdaguegmann_: I think long term Tempest needs to stop using proxy API calls13:35
sdaguebecause those are actually going away13:35
sdagueI don't know exactly how long that should be done over13:36
gmann_sdague: humm.13:36
johnthetubaguyyeah, its a trick one, but we need to move away from them13:36
mriedemmtreinish brought up netwon-eol in the ML, but i don't think we want to wait that long13:36
johnthetubaguyhmm, true13:37
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gmann_mriedem: ahh, because for stable branch they are not deprectaed?13:37
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mriedemgmann_: correct13:38
johnthetubaguyI mean folks should have been deploying them for ages, but its not universally true I guess13:38
mriedemif tempest.api.compute is calling volume or image proxies, i think that's a no brainer13:38
mriedemto switch over13:38
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mriedemnetwork gets trickier because nova-network wasn't deprecated until newton13:39
sdaguemriedem: yeh, mostly image proxy is the one that gets used a lot13:39
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mriedembut, i thought the tests in tempest were pretty well conditional on neutron being available or not13:39
gmann_true13:39
mriedemi joined late, is there a bug or something?13:39
sdaguegmann_ was trying to date validation schema in tempest13:40
gmann_mriedem: not for that but we were discussing failure on date-time on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304441/13:40
sdagueand the nova images proxy is inconsistent with the rest13:40
gmann_yea13:40
sdagueand I think, we should leave it as known issue, and just get tempest not using those interfaces13:40
gmann_sdague: +1.13:41
woodster_Makes sense13:41
mriedemhmm, we won't detect schema changes in the proxies if we do that, which is probably ok for master, but i worry about stable,13:41
mriedemhowever,13:41
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mriedemanything changing the api in stable is rare13:41
sdagueright13:41
gmann_mriedem: and that proxy API which deprecated and noted as critical bug fix only13:42
sdagueyeh, I think we're probably safe13:42
mriedemgmann_: well it's deprecated as of 2.3613:42
mriedemanyway13:42
sdagueok, anything else from folks?13:44
johnthetubaguyI am good, making some good progress13:44
gmann_do we need to mention 2.36 on  api-ref for proxy API ?13:44
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gmann_or just current warning is ok13:44
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sdaguegmann_: good point, we should probably update that as well13:45
mriedemhmm, 2.36 would be more explicit13:45
sdaguehonestly, I'm not going to fully think about information design on that after the freeze13:46
mriedem" Warning These APIs are proxy calls to the Image service. Nova has deprecated all the proxy APIs and users should use the native APIs instead.  These will fail with a 404 after microversion 2.35. See: Relevant Image APIs. "13:46
gmann_+113:46
johnthetubaguyIts tempting to leave all that till the doc sprint, but we do need something like that13:46
johnthetubaguyI have a feeling we need some groupings in the doc, to make this all a bit clearer13:47
gmann_johnthetubaguy: i can do quick update on this tomorrow13:47
mriedemwe have that in the rest api history doc13:47
gmann_probably not leavign till doc sprint13:47
mriedemi don't think we need to duplicate the rest api history doc in the api-ref13:47
sdagueyeh, I think that strategic grouping of things in the api-ref is going to help here13:48
mriedembut adding something to the warnigns in the api-ref that these will fail after 2.35 is probably good13:48
johnthetubaguyactually, we might, its different readers13:48
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johnthetubaguyyeah, that bit13:48
gmann_yea13:48
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mriedemi thought we were going to move all of the proxies to the bottom?13:48
sdaguewe did13:48
gmann_mriedem: we did13:48
mriedemcan we just create a "Deprecated Proxy APIs" section?13:48
sdaguemriedem: there are many things we could do13:48
johnthetubaguyyeah, thats what I am thinking13:48
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gmann_or Deprecated APIs13:49
johnthetubaguybut feels like we can doc sprint that, else we will get distracted13:49
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gmann_having all deprecated API13:49
sdaguehowever, I think this is going to be a thing that is going to take trying 3 different things, seeing which is clearest13:49
sdagueand is going to be 2 dedicated weeks of trying and getting opinions13:49
sdaguewhich... we should do after freeze13:49
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sdaguemy experience on the api-ref things is the idea you have in advance, turns out to be completely confusing when you see it on the screen13:50
sdagueso you try a few things, and stare at them all13:50
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sdagueok, anything else?13:52
sdagueif not, lets get back to work :)13:52
sdague#endmeeting13:52
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gmann_Thanks all13:53
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jed56hi everybody14:01
vincentfrancoiseo/14:01
jed56woah14:01
jed56many peoples!14:03
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jed56agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#04.2F06.2F201614:03
jed56#topic Announcements14:03
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vincentfrancoiseseems like everyone is on holiday :)14:03
jed56#info our talks are open to votes14:03
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jed56We submitted 6 talks, this is great !14:04
hvprashHi14:04
jwcroppeHi14:04
gzhai-moblhi14:04
jed56This is the list of presentations14:04
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jed56Watcher, the Infrastructure Optimization service for OpenStack: Plans for the O-release and beyond with Susanne Balle, Charlotte, Taylor Peoples14:04
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sballe_Hi14:04
jed56Optimizing Cloud Resources leveraging OpenStack Watcher with Prashanth Hari14:04
jed56Susanne Balle, Sameer Adhikari14:04
jwcroppeo/14:04
jed56Automatic network efficiency adjustment to optimize power saving14:04
jed56 David Slama,Tal Anker, Joe Cropper14:04
jed56 Installing Watcher and demo of a Watcher optimization with Vincent francoise, David TARDIVEL Gang Zhai14:04
jed56Towards to an Intelligent Cloud Gang Zhai, Susanne Balle14:05
jed56Balance workloads for optimal performance with Watcher Vincent Mahe, Ananth Narayan Sankaranarayanan14:05
jed56so please vote for us ;)14:05
jed56#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/15931/?q=Watcher14:05
sballe_+114:05
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jed56#info The mascot for watcher is a jellyfish (mid-cycle)14:06
jed56The watcher mid-cycle was a great meeting, thanks everybody !14:06
sballe_Is that settled ? The jellyfish14:07
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sballe_We gave them 3 proposals14:07
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jed56I'm not sure14:07
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jed56this is the winner of our pool14:07
jed56poll14:07
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jed56we will need to wait acabot to have this information14:08
sballe_Yeah I hope for the jelly fish14:08
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michaelguginohello all14:08
jed56The etherpad of the meeting is available here : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-watcher-midcycle14:08
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jwcroppejellyfish ... +100000  :)14:09
sballe_Lol14:09
jed56jwcroppe: ;-)14:09
hvprash:)14:09
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jed56jwcroppe: :)14:09
jed56jwcroppe: can you share with us your meeting with nova14:10
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jwcroppeyes, there was a lot of discussion on the watcher use cases14:10
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jwcroppejaypipes was in favor of opening up a placement API that would, given an instance ID, would return the resource providers (from which you could determine the hosts) that satisfied the request spec14:11
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jed56jwcroppe: every possible hosts ?14:12
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jwcroppeyes (possibly there could be some item to pass in that would limit the # of return results)14:12
jed56ok14:12
jwcroppebut there were also some others that had other ideas of having nova support a general weighing function...14:12
jwcroppeand then the nova placement API would just return the top-ranked one that satisfied the request spec14:13
jed56do you know how nova will decided to rank the list ?14:13
jwcroppebut... there was concern that having external parties (e.g., Watcher) having to constantly update the weights for the resources would overwhelm the placement API14:13
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jwcroppeSo those were essentially the two ideas - I think more discussion is needed to reach consensus14:14
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jed56what are the next actions ? do we need to write a backlog spec ?14:15
jwcroppenot yet, I want to talk with Jay a bit more...14:17
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jed56#action jwcroppe talk to Jay Pipes14:17
jed56:)14:17
jwcroppethe problem is understood and there are two very different ideas about how to solve the prob14:17
vincentfrancoiseat least that's a start :)14:18
jwcroppeand the new placement APIs they're discussing are still to-be-created as well (maybe edleafe can tell us more about those)14:18
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jed56edleafe: are you here ? :)14:19
jed56ok let's continue14:19
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jed56#action jwcroppe jed56 talk to edleafe Placement APIs nova14:20
jed56vincentfrancoise: yes this is the first step14:21
jed56quick update regarding newton-314:21
jed56#info : 8 BPs en 12 bugs are targeted for newton-314:21
jed56this is great14:21
jed56https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/newton-314:21
jed56any other announcement ?14:22
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jed56#topic Review Action Items14:23
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jed56The spec “Graph model describing virtual and physical elements in a data center” need to be merged as soon as possible because the development will start soon.14:24
jed56#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/14:24
sballe_Ok I will review14:24
jed56#action sballe_ jed56 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/14:24
hvprash+114:24
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jed56The update define-the-audit-scope (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339456/) spec need to be overhaul14:26
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jed56We will only need to filter by AvaibilityZone and aggregatehost14:27
jwcroppeI'm also working on the limit-concurrent-actions spec and will have it ready by Fri14:27
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jed56#action alexchadin "define-the-audit-scope" aggregatehost and avaibilityzone14:27
jed56jwcroppe: cool14:28
jed56jwcroppe: do you  know that this is not possible for now in watcher to have concurrent actions ?14:28
jed56we need to implement https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/planner-storage-action-plan14:28
jed56first14:28
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jwcroppeok, we can keep as a backlog spec if we need as well14:29
jed56yes ! jinquan want to work this blueprint14:29
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jed56on14:29
sballe_Cool14:30
jwcroppeI'll still write up the spec for limit-concurrent-actions14:30
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jed56jwcroppe: yes this is important feature for watcher14:30
jed56jwcroppe: can you create a blueprint ?14:30
jwcroppeI did14:30
jwcroppehttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/limit-concurrent-actions14:30
jed56#action jwcroppe create a blueprint regarding limit-concurrent-actions14:30
jed56sorrry :)14:31
jwcroppeno prob :)14:31
jed56the spec "automatic triggering audit" => https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/ need a new patchset14:31
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jed56#action diga update the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/14:32
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jed56so now, watcher14:32
jed56I would like that the 'cluster-model-objects-wrapper ' and 'scoring-module'  blueprints to be merged before the 3 of august.14:33
jed56The cluster-model-objects-wrapper blueprint is on the critical path for 'graph-based-cluster-model' blueprint.14:33
jed56#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/cluster-model-objects-wrapper14:33
jed56#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/scoring-module14:33
jed56Who could take some time to look at that in priority, please ?14:33
hvprashjed56, i can take a look14:34
sballe_I can look to14:34
hanrong1+114:34
jed56#action sballe_ hvprash review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/cluster-model-objects-wrapper and https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/scoring-module14:34
danpawlik+114:34
sballe_I have some time now because I go on vacation Fri14:35
jed56#action danpawlik hanrong1 review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/scoring-module https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/cluster-model-objects-wrapper14:35
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jed56thanks a lot14:35
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hanrong1ok14:35
vincentfrancoiseI need to rebase cluster-model-objects-wrapper <https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/cluster-model-objects-wrapper> due to the recent merges but please do review it :)14:36
jed56Add goal_id, strategy_id and host_aggregate CLI options to audit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332982/ need a new patchset14:37
hvprashjed56, working on it today14:37
jed56hvprash: super!14:37
hvprashthere is one unit test i missed and will add to the PS14:37
vincentfrancoisegood :)14:38
hvprashthere is also the changes which michaelgugino is working https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330165/14:38
jed56#action hvprash push a new patchset 33298214:38
sballe_I can review14:38
hvprashwhich is critical14:38
hvprashthx14:38
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jed56okay14:38
gzhai-mobli can revie14:39
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sballe_gzhai-mobl: cool14:39
jed56#action gzhai-mobl review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/scoring-module https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/cluster-model-objects-wrapper14:39
gzhai-moblw14:39
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jed56https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330165/ Implement goal_id, strategy_id and host_aggregate into Audit api need a new patchset14:40
jed56this is almost finish14:40
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jed56michaelgugino: do you think that you will have time to work on it ?14:41
hvprashyes14:41
jed56okay great14:41
jed56#action michaelgugino push a new patchset https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330165/14:41
michaelguginoyes, I'm working on it.  I will continue to make changes based on people's reviews14:41
jed56michaelgugino: thanks a lot14:41
hvprashthx michaelgugino14:41
michaelguginoyw14:41
vincentfrancoisemichaelgugino: do you have a devstack to make sure the integration tests are passing ?14:42
michaelguginonot at the moment, I will build one today.14:43
hvprashi tested the cli options against the api changes michaelgugino is working and works as expected14:43
vincentfrancoisemichaelgugino: ok cool :)14:43
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jed56Add rally-jobs folder to get rally support(https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333371/) patchset need a status14:44
jed56#action alexchadin can you give a us a feedback regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333371/ ?14:44
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jed56https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345214/ need a new patchset14:45
jed56#action vincentfrancoise rebase 34521414:46
jed56sballe_: do you know if junjie.huang plan to work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342594/ ?14:46
sballe_Not sure I thought we decided not to move forward with it for now14:47
sballe_Is this the airflow one?14:47
gzhai-mobli  will ping him14:47
sballe_Ok14:47
sballe_Thx14:47
jed56#action gzhai-mobl contact junjie.huang in order to have status on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342594/14:48
gzhai-moblhe is waiting for the ci error got fixed14:48
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sballe_Ok so junjie will finish it?14:48
sballe_gzhai-mobl: ^^^14:49
jed56what is the problem with the CI ?14:49
gzhai-moblshould do14:49
sballe_ok thx14:49
jed56IMHO, this is not a CI problem14:49
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gzhai-moblsome generic error tha14:49
gzhai-moblt time14:50
jed56gzhai-mobl: can you rebase the code of junjie ?14:50
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jed56#action gzhai-mobl rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34259414:51
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gzhai-mobli will ask him14:51
sballe_jed56: I ll follow up with junjie as well14:51
jed56okay14:52
jed56#action sballe_ follow https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34259414:52
jed56#topic Blueprint/Bug14:52
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jed56Many bugs have been merged in newton-2 thanks to everybody!14:53
sballe_Cool14:53
jed56#topic open discussion14:53
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jed56some body want to discuss something ? :)14:53
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hvprashwould like to start planning for the workload qos. sballe_ do you have sometime before vacation ?14:54
sballe_Yes let's talk today or tomorrow14:54
hvprashcool, thx14:54
sballe_Plus I can IRC while on vacation since you are on the east coast14:54
sballe_Only 6 hrs difference14:55
hvprashthat works too ! but don't want to bother while you are in vacation :)14:55
jed56#action sballe_ hvprash  start planning for the workload qos14:55
sballe_hvprash: no worries14:55
jed56Can I close the meeting ?14:56
vincentfrancoiseI guess so :)14:57
hvprashsure :)14:57
gzhai-moblbye14:57
hvprashthx jed5614:57
jed56thanks everybody have a nice week !14:57
vincentfrancoisebye14:57
jed56#endmeeting14:57
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serverascode#startmeeting operators_telco_nfv15:00
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serverascode#topic roll call15:00
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serverascodehi, anyone here for the ops telecom/nfv meeting? :)15:00
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ulik#info uli15:01
serverascodehi ulik15:01
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ulikHi15:01
serverascodewe'll give it a couple min to see if anyone else shows up15:02
ulikok15:02
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ulikI have another meeting in parallel, so I hope my replies will not be too slow...15:03
serverascodeok no worries15:03
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serverascodeanyone else lurking around for this meeting?15:05
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wznoinskhi15:05
serverascodehi wznoinsk :)15:06
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wznoinskI'm only passing by... I'm a dev/CI ops here at Intel, what's the main goal of the WG?15:06
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serverascode#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops-telecom-nfv15:06
serverascodeI started to put together the wiki page15:07
serverascodewe have been working on a mission statement15:07
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serverascodeit's still early in the groups formation though15:07
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serverascodebut in general, we're here to help openstack operators who are running telelcom/NFV related clouds15:07
wznoinskok, is ops and wg in the name you'll be limiting your work to less development, more benchmarking, stress testing etc?15:08
serverascodeyeah, likely not much development work, other than perhaps commiting operational tools to osops15:08
serverascode#topic general info15:09
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serverascodeI'm just going to do a bit of general info regarding the last couple weeks, then move on to open discussion15:09
serverascodeINFO: A wiki page has been created15:10
serverascode#info a wiki page has been created https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops-telecom-nfv15:10
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ulikMaybe we can link from the wiki also to the opnfv wiki on openstack relation15:11
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serverascode#info It seems like we will be a functional team under the user commitee http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-July/001144.html15:11
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serverascodeI'm still working on figuring out what the user committee process is, but the above email seems a good sign15:11
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serverascodeulik: ok I can add that15:12
serverascode#info We have a page for mid to long term project ideas: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telecom-nfv-project-ideas15:12
ulikI was getting the #link.... https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/COM/OpenStack15:12
serverascode#info openstack ops midcycle is in NYC at the tail end of august https://opsmidcyclenyc2016.eventbrite.com15:13
ulikI have a question to the wording "project ideas"15:13
ulikWhat kind of project ideas do you think of?15:13
serverascodewell, I'm modelling it off of the large deployments team15:14
serverascodeessentially they pick a project to work on over a certain period of time15:14
serverascodesomething they can shepherd through the openstack ecosystem15:14
serverascodefor example they worked on the "just get me a network" idea15:14
serverascodeand now changes have been made in neutron to allow that concept15:15
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ulikCould a requirement / use case be a project in that way?15:15
serverascodeyeah for sure15:15
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ulikSo we could pick one of the OPNFV requirements that don't yet progress and try to do such a project from it?15:16
serverascodeyup15:16
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serverascodeif you have any projects or requirements, just put them into that page and we can figure out which one we'd like to work on over a mid to long term timeframe15:17
ulikSo some options would be on the https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/COM/OpenStack already listed. We need to pick one - one where there is no BP yet.15:18
ulikI need to check....15:18
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serverascode#topic open discussion15:20
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serverascodegiven there is only 3 of us today, I'll put it into open discussion now :)15:20
wznoinsk1. a nit, is it telco not telecom now?15:20
ulikyou said in beginning:15:20
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serverascodewznoinsk: I was asked by the foundation to use telecom, but it's not reflected everywhere yet15:22
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serverascodeso we started out with telco and are now working to change it to telecom15:22
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serverascodealso we started out using the term "working group" but I believe we are actually a "functional team"15:22
serverascodeso there is some naming to fix :)15:22
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wznoinsk2. what's the difference between this and TelcoWG which I think was quite close to ProductWG as well?15:23
serverascoderight, good question15:23
serverascodethis is an openstack operators group15:23
serverascodeso it's specifically for people who run openstack clouds, be it in test or production15:24
serverascodethe telcowg, as far as I know, mostly around defining telecom/NFV user stories15:24
ulikyou said "we're here to help openstack operators who are running telelcom/NFV related clouds". Do you know such ops?15:24
wznoinskif you're only operators (hence no core developers/reviewers) the only way to influence the projects roadmap is thru TC/UC right?15:25
serverascodeulik: I am myself one of those, and I know a couple others. I believe there will be a session at the NYC meetup with some telecom ops, I hope anyways15:25
wznoinskserverascode: telcoWG to define user stories and help to drive them thru OS AFAIK, this groups is kind of same (or I'm missing some subtle differences)15:26
ulikI think the telcoWG is rather dormant15:26
serverascodewznoinsk: yeah I think it might be subtle differences15:26
serverascodethe telcowg actually felt they completed their goals and closed the wg15:27
wznoinskulik: possibly15:27
serverascodetechnically wgs are supposed to be short term things15:27
ulikso it is not dormant but terminated?15:27
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serverascodeI believe so yup15:27
serverascode#link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QmLOeseAkjBWM_TXsUeKBErNaSHnuZp81II0T71ARfo/edit15:28
serverascodewe looked at that doc last meeting, but it defines a few things like working groups, functional teams, etc15:28
wznoinskserverascode: yes technically WG wouldn't be a Project Team or a project  Team but some 'temporary' solutions are the most permanent ones :-) http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/15:29
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serverascodefor sure15:29
serverascodebasically as someone who operates telecom/nfv clouds I'm just kinda looking to find some peers to discuss things with :)15:30
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serverascodemaybe do some cool stuff15:30
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serverascodeno more no less :)15:30
serverascodeany other thoughts/questions/comments?15:31
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wznoinsksure, if you can get enough of ops and their properly defined use cases and wishlists that could be even more - i.e.: NFV flavor of ProductWG?15:31
ulikOK. So you expect some discussion topics coming from those ops?15:31
ulikwould be great!15:31
serverascodeI hope so15:32
ulikDo you have a personal wish list?15:32
serverascodeI did put a couple of items into that page15:32
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serverascodefirst, celiometer scaling15:32
serverascodesecond, perhaps programmable provider netowrks15:32
serverascodewhich is a OPNFV netready related item15:32
serverascodethose were my only two idesa15:32
serverascode*ideas15:33
serverascodeso far15:33
wznoinskbear in mind you'd need a proper backing of the ideas (ideally with numbers, company names) for TC/UC to take them into consideration into main upstream15:33
serverascodewznoinsk: right. I definitely suggest looking at what the large deployments team did around "just get me a network"15:33
serverascodethey did manage to shepherd some changes over time15:34
wznoinskif you could have a kind of polling/voting system from ops, kind of survey maybe to show interest and ideas that could make ops voice heard better15:34
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serverascodeok, interesting idea15:34
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wznoinskI mean, you need companies, customers, numbers speak for themselves before UC/TC will trust in this team's own suggestions/opinions15:35
serverascode#idea some kind of polling or voting system for telecom/nfv openstack ops15:35
ulikI think some of those ideas can also have some push by OPNFV.15:36
serverascodeI don't think uc or tc approval is required for everything though, there are lots of ways to affect change in openstack15:36
ulikYes. OPNFV in some cases came with developers who did the work.15:37
ulikbut when we didn't have those, it just needed waiting...15:38
serverascodesometimes all it takes is showing up at a midcycle :)15:38
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ulikI've not been at a midcycle yet.15:38
serverascodemost projects in openstack have a midcycle event15:39
ulikI think I will ask some of our OPNFV guys who had pushed things whether they have done that via midcycles.15:39
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serverascodeok anything else?15:41
serverascodeoh I should mention openstack east is in NYC also, just before the ops meetup15:41
serverascode#link http://www.openstackeast.com/15:41
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serverascode#link https://opsmidcyclenyc2016.eventbrite.com15:41
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serverascodealso the OPNFV hackfest is in Toronto just before the ops meetup15:42
ulikcan you help my ignorance and point me to every info about the ops meetup?15:42
serverascodeI'm planning on going to that on my way to NYC15:42
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serverascode#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-meetup15:42
ulik.. or necessary midcycle15:43
serverascode^^ that's the scheduling brainstorm page15:43
serverascodethat's about all I have, the event registration page and the etherpad schedule brainstorm15:43
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ulikmidcycles are per project, right? Are they all in one place?15:44
serverascoderight, typically per project15:44
serverascodethey are self-organized by the team and can be anywhere15:44
serverascodesome have remote capabilities, most don't15:44
serverascodeI don't think they are usually co-located with other midcycles15:45
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wznoinskI won't be able to attend midcycle(s) but I'll be tuning into this WG, mainly to hear what ops/users want to see to be tested around NFV features (if Intel NFV CI doesn't cover it yet) :-)15:47
ulikok. I am getting a better picture. Thanks15:48
serverascodeulik: if you are on the openstack ops mailing list there have been a couple of emails on it15:48
serverascodebut they mostly just point to the links I entered here15:49
serverascodewznoinsk: cool, thanks. Is there a page that describes a bit about hte intel nfv ci?15:49
ulikI was not reading the mails without the telecomnfv tag.15:49
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serverascodeok, well unless there is anything else, I will prob end the meeting15:51
serverascodethanks wznoinsk and ulik for coming by :) much appreciated15:51
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serverascodeulik if you have any other questions on the ops midcycle just let me know15:52
ulikI got good input for the next 2 weeks untill the next one....15:52
serverascodeawesome :)15:52
serverascode#endmeeting15:52
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Jul 27 15:52:42 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:52
ulikThanks for that!15:52
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-07-27-15.00.html15:52
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-07-27-15.00.txt15:52
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-07-27-15.00.log.html15:52
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sdake#startmeeting kolla16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 27 16:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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sdake#topic rollcall16:00
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coolsvapo/16:00
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akwasniehi all :)16:00
duonghqo/16:00
sdakeo/16:00
inc0o/16:00
rhalliseyhi16:00
hritoo/16:01
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sdakenotice some fresh faces - welcome duonghq hrito srwilkers_16:02
lrensing_o/16:02
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wirehead_o/16:02
srwilkers_thanks :D16:02
duonghqnice to see you16:02
sdake#topic announcements16:02
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sdakeHeidi was kind enough to make a video of the mascot selection process16:03
sdakehttps://zoom.us/recording/play/Adnpi67_uwd1qw3GZsD_CTvXj0hjSPQd48dHRxvCR9IWKzyT-bjFnIW7BtZYZUKo16:03
sdakewhen someone has finished the video let me know pls :)16:04
rhalliseywe won :)16:04
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rhalliseyspoiler16:05
DavieySorry, i'm late chaps.16:05
inc0yay16:05
inc0so no more honey badger?16:05
sdakeinc0 the bloodshot koalla bear with glue involved is off the table :)16:05
inc0so I was thinking16:05
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inc0koala bear gluing openstack squarey logos witha  glue16:06
inc0no sniffing16:06
sdakethats the only announcement i have - anyone from community have anything?16:06
Davieykolla bear is what i always think of... but to bring inc0's idea in, it should be sniffing glue16:06
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inc0:D16:06
srwilkers_+116:07
inc0it is a junky animal anyway16:07
sdakefwiw we dont have input into the mascot creation process16:07
inc0anyway, let's call it our secret mascot16:07
inc0duh16:07
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wirehead_Drop bears.16:07
sdake;)16:07
rhalliseyhoney badger16:08
inc0narwhal16:08
sdake#topic newton-316:08
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wirehead_A drop bear sniffing glue is all things to all people.  At least all of the people who count.16:08
sdake#link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/newton-316:08
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sdakewe have a whole lot of stuff planned for milestone 316:09
sdakeit seems unreasonable to think we will finish all of that work16:09
sdakemilestone 3 will be a feature freeze16:10
sdakeversus past releases where we put features in the rcs16:10
sdakewe wont be doing that at all this cycle16:10
coolsvapyes we have many bugs which are either not updated or not valid anymore16:10
sdakebecause we applied for stable:follows-policy16:10
sdakecoolsvap at this point i'm more concerned about the features landing in m3 then fixing bugs16:11
coolsvapand i think 10+ bugs targeted as a result of docimpact16:11
coolsvapsdake: agree16:11
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sdakethe problem with that view is people look at it, go "too much" and feel overwhelemd and don't know where to start16:11
sdakein past cycles 2 weeks before milestone 3, we cut all the features that were not in good progress or better16:12
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sdake(liberty/newton)16:12
sdakeliberty/mitaka I mean16:12
sdakei htink we should stick to that16:12
sdakeany objections?16:12
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sdakeok well i dont see any alternative anyway so objections probably8 don't matter :)16:13
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sdakeanyone willing to tackle some of the bug triage?16:14
coolsvapI am16:14
sdakecool16:15
sdakeyo udont have to do it all16:15
sdakebut any way you can help is appreciated16:15
coolsvap:)16:15
sdake#topic customization of  dockerfiles16:15
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sdakeinc0 did you add this to the agenda?16:15
inc0that's old agenda16:16
sdakeno its definately new16:16
inc0but, patchsets are there16:16
sdakeya lets discuss that16:16
inc0I'll review them all today16:16
sdakeabout half the customization patches are in the queue16:16
inc0also I'll work on customization of base, it's by far hardest16:16
sdakei'd like an ack from inc0 on each of em if he can commit to that16:17
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sdakeinc0 is that possible or too much?16:17
inc0possible, will do16:17
sdakecool16:17
sdakeI just want to make sure they are precisely correct16:17
sdakesince if we break this now, it not super ideal :)16:17
sdake#topic repo split16:18
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sdakeryan's vote expired today without consensus16:18
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sdakethat siad, I think we should try voting again on this point16:18
sdakemaybe the core team was AFK16:18
sdakeits summer time16:19
sdakelots of PTO and whatnot16:19
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sdakerhallisey you mind shooting out a new voting email in 1-2 weeks?16:19
rhalliseyya will do16:19
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sdakeprobably right now is not the right time16:19
rhalliseyjust keep an eye out for that everyone16:19
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sdakebecause we are still testing the backportss review policy16:19
rhalliseyroger16:20
sdakei think the backports review policy seems to be working16:20
coolsvapI am not still not sure about my views about it16:20
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sdakecoolsvap I htink that will factor into everyone's voting16:20
coolsvapbut lets revisit it in couple of weeks16:20
sdake#topic kolla-kubernetes16:21
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rhalliseyya we can debate further on the ML16:21
sdakerhallisey have an update for us?16:21
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rhalliseyso still blocked on the api_interface patches16:22
sdakethat was my fault right16:22
rhalliseyI mean you raised a good point16:22
rhalliseybut I don't think we should fully address the config issue now16:22
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rhalliseybecause of the repo split/config split16:22
sdakecan you commit to  the following16:22
wirehead_I think we need to accept that we're looking for the "right now, so that Kolla-kubernetes doesn't have a giant pile of carried patches" solution.16:22
wirehead_Instead of the "end" solution.16:23
rhallisey^ yes16:23
rhalliseythat's my point16:23
wirehead_The reviews have been fixating on the end solution.16:23
sdake"I wont add any new variables to globals.yml after this variable"?16:23
sdakerhallisey see above question can yo ucommit ^^16:23
rhalliseybefore the config split, it's unlikely16:23
sdakeno i mean before milestone316:24
rhalliseybefore m3 no16:24
wirehead_So, if you look at my Nova patch, you'll see all of the variables we're altering and adding to get things going.16:24
sdakeok well i'll change my vote to unblock things16:24
sdakewirehead_ the issue is putting things in globals.yml is permanentn16:24
sdakewirehead_ because of how openstack deprecation policies work16:24
sdakeif we do rework on globls.yml its a huge pita16:25
sdakethat was the basis of my complaint on ryan's patch16:25
sdakei haven't seen your nova patch16:25
sdakehere we are making a semi-permanent compromise to unblock your work16:26
sdakethat we can possibly undo later16:26
sdakebut if 5 variables needed in globals.yml - thats a whole nother world of pain :)16:26
wirehead_Well, the way that we're progressing forwards right now is that Kolla-kubernetes requires you to add stuff to globals.yml.16:27
sdakewirehead_ mind linking your review for after meeting to see what the issue is16:27
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wirehead_We're OK with kolla-kubernetes users needing to paste some lines into globals.yml and Kolla users having an unmodified globals.yml file?16:27
sdakewirehead_ ok i get that part - but ryan's addition was a nonessential variable16:27
sdakewirehead_ ya actually thats a fantastic solution16:28
wirehead_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347572/16:28
sdakekolla-kubernetes is on a release:cycle_independent model16:28
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rhalliseysdake, if that's the case we can remove the global var16:28
rhalliseybut the j2 login underneath will need to stay16:29
sdakewhich means if we dont polute the globals.yml namespace, no harm is done to kolla-ansible16:29
wirehead_Yeah.16:29
wirehead_We can do that for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327925/16:29
sdakej2 login16:29
wirehead_j2 logic16:29
sdakei'll have a look after meeting16:29
rhalliseylogic16:29
sdakethanks wirehead for solving that problem :)16:30
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wirehead_Oh, and Nova's control plane is starting to work as a Kube service. :)16:30
sdakewirehead_ anything that I can do to help communicate that idea?16:30
sdakenice :)16:31
rhalliseywirehead_, nice16:31
wirehead_sdake: Might be worth it to just post an official summary of what needs to change with that patch for it to get +2'd16:31
sdakewirehead_ that would be atypical, but I think an email explaining how we are relaxing reviews aroudn kolla-kubernetes16:31
sdakebecause of this change to documenting globals.yml16:32
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sdakei'd find that helpful for the core team16:32
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sdakeyour complaint was that everyone is looking at the end solution16:32
sdakewhich is valid :)16:33
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sdakeok well then anything else on kolla-kubernetes?16:33
rhalliseynothing atm16:33
rhalliseythanks16:34
sdakerhallisey would you mind sending out a email explaining the review approach because of globals.yml  cut and paste?16:34
rhalliseyok16:34
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sdakemight help to point people at the irc log of the meeting index on the technical details16:35
sdake#topic open discussion16:35
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inc0so, we don't have any input to mascot creation?16:35
inc0really?16:36
sdakeinc0 I am not really sure16:36
coolsvappip installs in binary containers16:36
sdakeinc0 up first then coolsvap has floor16:36
inc0sdake, can you ask?16:37
sdakeinc0 I can find out if you like what hte process will be16:37
inc0we have grand plans;)16:37
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sdakeinc0 it may be hiding on the mailing lsit somewhre16:37
sdakeinc0 give me a couple hours16:37
sdakecoolsvap ure up16:38
coolsvap#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/100024.html16:38
coolsvapi wanted to bring it in meeting16:38
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coolsvapinputs are most appreciated16:39
sdakecoolsvap mind bringing people up to speed on the status of the thread16:39
coolsvapso there is a request to do pip install in networking-sfc container review16:40
coolsvapwhich I think we have not allowed till now16:40
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sdakei am pretty sure we have allowed source only containers16:40
sdakemurano as an example16:41
sdakehow is this one different from that?16:41
coolsvapi am fine with source only containers16:41
coolsvapplease have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344930/16:41
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coolsvaphttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/344930/6/docker/neutron/neutron-networking-sfc-agent/Dockerfile.j216:42
coolsvapoh its updated16:42
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coolsvaphttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/344930/1/docker/neutron/neutron-networking-sfc-agent/Dockerfile.j216:42
coolsvappatch set 116:42
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coolsvapdo we allow pip install networking-sfc in binary containers16:43
sdakecoolsvap its hard to review in meeting time - but I htink what woudl help is what are peoples positions16:43
sdakewhere is the problem taht needs fixing16:43
coolsvapthats my question16:44
sdakei see :)16:44
coolsvapi am fine if its discussed outside meeting or mailing list16:45
sdakecoolsvap i'll ask the core team to have a look at that thread16:45
sdakeso we can make a determination16:45
sdakemy general position is pip and yum should not be mixed unless absolutely necessary16:46
sdakeanyone else have anythign to add?16:46
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sdakeany other open items?16:47
coolsvapI think we have had situations where packages were not present in distos where we had source only containers16:47
sdakecoolsvap yup that is correct16:47
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sdakemurano was not in rdo at one point (maybe still) and the binary container didn't build but source did from upstream16:48
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sdakeok well thanks for coming  folks16:49
sdake#endmeeting16:49
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coolsvapthank you16:49
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-07-27-16.00.html16:49
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akwasniethanks, bye ! :)16:49
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duonghqthank you, bye for now16:49
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RaginBajin #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring18:01
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openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 27 18:01:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is RaginBajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
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RaginBajinStupid spaces.18:02
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RaginBajinAgenda can be found here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-2016072718:02
RaginBajin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-2016072718:02
RaginBajinUgh..18:03
RaginBajinWrong time.. Be back in an hour.18:03
RaginBajin#endmeeting18:03
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RaginBajin#startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring19:04
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 27 19:04:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is RaginBajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring'19:04
RaginBajinAgenda can be found here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-2016072719:04
RaginBajin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-2016072719:04
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RaginBajinWaiting for others to join.19:12
RaginBajinI'll give it till 20 after the hour (19:20) before I end it if no one joins and wants to proceed.19:12
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RaginBajinOk well no one is here so we will be ending this meeting.19:30
RaginBajin#endmeeting19:30
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