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| apuimedo | #startmeeting kuryr | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 29 14:00:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is apuimedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 14:00 |
| apuimedo | Hello everybody and welcome to yet another Kuryr meeting | 14:00 |
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| pablochacin | Hello! | 14:01 |
| apuimedo | who's here for the show? | 14:01 |
| vikasc | o/ | 14:01 |
| devvesa | o/ | 14:01 |
| tonanhngo | o/ | 14:01 |
| pablochacin | o/ | 14:01 |
| limao_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| banix | o/ | 14:01 |
| garyloug | o/ | 14:01 |
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| apuimedo | I like this attendance level :-) | 14:02 |
| apuimedo | #info pablochacin, vikas, devvesa, tonanhngo, limao, banix, garyloug and apuimedo present | 14:02 |
| apuimedo | Let's get started | 14:02 |
| apuimedo | #topic kuryr-lib | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kuryr-lib (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:02 | |
| apuimedo | we're almost done with the split (sorry it took so long) | 14:03 |
| apuimedo | limao and I sent some patches to remove wrong requirements today | 14:03 |
| apuimedo | and after that, I think we can make a 1.0.0 release, then make a 2.0.0 when we have the rest/rpc | 14:03 |
| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/362070 | 14:04 |
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| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/361972 | 14:04 |
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| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/361937 | 14:04 |
| apuimedo | #info vikasc has patches ongoing for adding the pieces for container-in-vm | 14:05 |
| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/361937 | 14:05 |
| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/362023 | 14:05 |
| apuimedo | are we all in agreement to make a very short lived (a couple of weeks) 1.0.0 release before we add the rest/rpc? | 14:06 |
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| banix | yes | 14:06 |
| limao_ | +1 | 14:06 |
| vikasc | +1 | 14:06 |
| apuimedo | very well | 14:07 |
| apuimedo | so once the three patches I put above are merged, I'll try a deployment and if it works, I'll send the tag | 14:07 |
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| apuimedo | #info There's agreement in having a very short lived (two-three) weeks 1.0.0 openstack/kuryr release before we add rpc/rest | 14:08 |
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| apuimedo | #info apuimedo is working on packaging for centos/fedora | 14:08 |
| apuimedo | the patch will be a submission to openstack-packages/kuryr | 14:08 |
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| apuimedo | #info: note that openstack-packages/* do not seem to be built with py3 as of now, so that means we'll need to put some work before kuryr-kubernetes can use those packages | 14:09 |
| apuimedo | anything else about openstack/kuryr? | 14:10 |
| apuimedo | alright, that's a "move along!" | 14:12 |
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| apuimedo | #topic kuryr-libnetwork | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kuryr-libnetwork (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:12 | |
| apuimedo | #info vikasc has improved a lot the configuration and option listing | 14:13 |
| apuimedo | #action apuimedo to rebase the keystone v3 support on top of this to unblock kolla | 14:14 |
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| apuimedo | limao_: what's the status of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355714/ | 14:14 |
| apuimedo | ? | 14:14 |
| limao_ | Hi apuimedo, I'm modifying UT, when I test I find the gate-install-dsvm-kuryr-libnetwork-nv not work | 14:15 |
| apuimedo | limao_: did you identify the issue? | 14:16 |
| limao_ | yes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361841/ | 14:16 |
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| limao_ | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361795/ | 14:16 |
| limao_ | second one is for no kuryr.log | 14:16 |
| limao_ | after first one merged , I will rebase the patch | 14:17 |
| apuimedo | #links https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361841/ | 14:17 |
| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361841/ | 14:18 |
| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361795/ | 14:18 |
| apuimedo | thanks limao_ | 14:18 |
| apuimedo | #action apuimedo to review limao's kuryr-libnetwork fixes | 14:18 |
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| apuimedo | banix: any update or issues about kuryr-libnetwork? | 14:18 |
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| vikasc | apuimedo, should we keep kuryr_libnetwork/common? | 14:19 |
| banix | no the only thing is adding support for keystonev3; which is a lib issue I suppose. | 14:19 |
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| apuimedo | banix: it's a lib issue. Now that we fixed the config generation, I'll rebase and push | 14:20 |
| apuimedo | vikasc: I'm in favor of dropping it | 14:20 |
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| vikasc | limao_, | 14:20 |
| apuimedo | My understanding is that it would make sense to have a kuryr_libnetwork/common if we had a plugin architecture for kuryr-libnetwork | 14:21 |
| vikasc | banix, | 14:21 |
| apuimedo | let's say | 14:21 |
| apuimedo | for example kuryr_rd and kuryr_ipam | 14:21 |
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| vikasc | apuimedo, makes sense | 14:21 |
| banix | makes sense | 14:21 |
| vikasc | there is no further branching | 14:21 |
| apuimedo | but with how interdependant they are, I think it's fine to put what we have in 'common' in kuryr_libnetwork | 14:22 |
| apuimedo | #action apuimedo to take to the ml about the 'common' thing and merge the removal if it by next week if there is not a strong counter argument | 14:24 |
| apuimedo | anything else about kuryr-libnetwork? | 14:24 |
| vikasc | yes | 14:24 |
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| vikasc | for getting trunk port id in vm I am planning to add a variable mentioning IP of trunk port in config file | 14:25 |
| vikasc | and then filter using IP | 14:25 |
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| vikasc | trunk port ID will be used to create subport | 14:26 |
| vikasc | is there any other better way? | 14:26 |
| apuimedo | vikasc: not for libnetwork | 14:26 |
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| apuimedo | for kuryr you could retrieve it from the scheduler status info | 14:26 |
| apuimedo | but for libnetwork I think that is it | 14:26 |
| apuimedo | so for now, let's put the configuration option in openstack/kuryr-libnetwork | 14:27 |
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| vikasc | i was also thinking similar. | 14:27 |
| vikasc | thats why raised in kuryr-libnetwork disussion | 14:27 |
| vikasc | thanks | 14:27 |
| apuimedo | :-) | 14:29 |
| apuimedo | thanks vikasc | 14:29 |
| apuimedo | #topic kuryr-kubernetes | 14:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kuryr-kubernetes (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:29 | |
| apuimedo | #info devvesa's first upstreaming patch was merged today: https://review.openstack.org/359811 | 14:30 |
| apuimedo | thanks a lot devvesa | 14:30 |
| devvesa | thanks to you for the reviews and good feedback! | 14:31 |
| apuimedo | #info devvesa has sent the aio and asyncio loop patches as well | 14:31 |
| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/360376 | 14:31 |
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| apuimedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/360629 | 14:31 |
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| apuimedo | the game plan is to get these merged, then proceed with the watchers and then the translators, is that right, devvesa? | 14:32 |
| devvesa | Yes, and unit tests | 14:32 |
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| devvesa | I'm still thinking which relationship should be between watchers and translators | 14:32 |
| vikasc | relationship? | 14:32 |
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| apuimedo | which reminds me that | 14:32 |
| devvesa | Should the watcher call the translator? | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | #action apuimedo to update the k8s devref | 14:33 |
| devvesa | Should the translator have the watcher as attribute? | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | and we should have the discussion there | 14:33 |
| devvesa | Ok. Let's have it :) | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | but as an intro, my idea is that when you are scheduling the watchers | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | before scheduling them | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | the service start registers the filters and translators for each watcher | 14:34 |
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| apuimedo | then they get scheduled | 14:34 |
| apuimedo | very explicit and tidy IMHO | 14:34 |
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| devvesa | so you initialize the watcher with the translators | 14:34 |
| devvesa | that should call on each event | 14:34 |
| apuimedo | right | 14:34 |
| apuimedo | that was my idea | 14:35 |
| devvesa | sounds good | 14:35 |
| devvesa | I will skip filters now, we can introduce them later | 14:35 |
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| apuimedo | sure, it's just a matter of composing methods | 14:35 |
| devvesa | Also I think that it's the watcher who has to update the annotations on K8s | 14:35 |
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| apuimedo | I think the ideal would be that both watchers, filters and translators can all be simple methods | 14:36 |
| apuimedo | but if one wants to have a class instance play the part | 14:36 |
| apuimedo | making it callable should suffice | 14:36 |
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| pablochacin | apuimedo: what you mean by scheduled? | 14:36 |
| apuimedo | devvesa: that's fine for me | 14:36 |
| apuimedo | pablochacin: telling asyncio to start them | 14:37 |
| pablochacin | ok. Have you considered more than one filter/translator? | 14:37 |
| apuimedo | devvesa: not only fine in fact, I think it's the best way | 14:37 |
| apuimedo | :P | 14:37 |
| apuimedo | sure | 14:37 |
| pablochacin | good | 14:37 |
| apuimedo | you should be able to have multiple filters and translators for each event type | 14:38 |
| apuimedo | and resource type | 14:38 |
| apuimedo | it will simplify the logic a lot | 14:38 |
| pablochacin | devvesa the watcher updating the annotation? | 14:38 |
| devvesa | pablochacin: yes. or create another entity (which I think now is not necessary) | 14:38 |
| apuimedo | pablochacin: this way, the neutron translators do not need to know anything about k8s | 14:38 |
| pablochacin | uhm | 14:39 |
| devvesa | yes | 14:39 |
| apuimedo | so it is much simpler to unit test and reason about them | 14:39 |
| devvesa | watcher are on K8s side, translators on Neutron side | 14:39 |
| apuimedo | right | 14:39 |
| devvesa | (we can change the names if you feel more comfortable, I am bad at names) | 14:39 |
| apuimedo | the idea is that you can register the filter/translator under a name | 14:39 |
| apuimedo | for example | 14:39 |
| pablochacin | then translators have to communicate back to watchers | 14:39 |
| apuimedo | 'kuryr.org/port' | 14:39 |
| apuimedo | then, when the watcher calls the translator | 14:40 |
| apuimedo | whatever dictionary it gets back | 14:40 |
| apuimedo | it updates the k8s resource with key 'kuryr.org/port' and the value is the serialization of what it gets back from the filter/translator | 14:40 |
| apuimedo | pablochacin: the watcher does yield from (await) on the filter/translator | 14:41 |
| apuimedo | and it will get the dict back | 14:41 |
| apuimedo | I think it shouldn't bring issues | 14:41 |
| apuimedo | (unmanageable issues) | 14:41 |
| devvesa | what i don't like is that the watcher will need the translator instances and the translators will need the watcher instances | 14:42 |
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| devvesa | kind of weird initializations | 14:42 |
| pablochacin | devvesa, why the translator will need the watcher? | 14:43 |
| apuimedo | devvesa: I don't think it needs such thing | 14:43 |
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| vikasc | sorry i could not get the translators will need the watcher instances | 14:43 |
| apuimedo | if you take the translator to be a method | 14:43 |
| apuimedo | for example | 14:43 |
| apuimedo | there's no instance involved | 14:43 |
| devvesa | pablochacin, vikasc: from the translator you will need to eventually tell the watcher to update the annotations | 14:43 |
| apuimedo | the contract for a translator is simply, receive an event as a parameter, do all my stuff async, and return a dict of the result | 14:43 |
| vikasc | devvesa, that would be same watcher waiting on await | 14:44 |
| apuimedo | the translator does not know anything about watchers | 14:44 |
| devvesa | vikasc: true... | 14:44 |
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| vikasc | can i say .. | 14:44 |
| apuimedo | vikasc: go ahead | 14:45 |
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| vikasc | events from k8s results in parallel instances of watchers but translators dont know or bother which watcher has called him | 14:45 |
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| devvesa | problem with this is that the watcher becomes some kind of controller of the logic. What if we want to watch the same events for two different logics? | 14:45 |
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| pablochacin | devvesa each logic should be independnet | 14:46 |
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| pablochacin | and therefore the changes they make to annotations also | 14:46 |
| devvesa | my point is that maybe watcher should not know about translators either | 14:46 |
| apuimedo | devvesa: that's fine | 14:46 |
| devvesa | and have some kind of controller that joins both | 14:46 |
| pablochacin | let's separate que topics, then | 14:46 |
| apuimedo | the watcher can call different filters/translators for each event | 14:47 |
| apuimedo | and for each await that returns data, it puts one annotation | 14:47 |
| pablochacin | I agree with apuimedo | 14:47 |
| pablochacin | is simpler | 14:47 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, +1 | 14:47 |
| apuimedo | devvesa: if we see that the watcher logic ends up being simpler with another element taking over the annotation updates, we can do that as well | 14:48 |
| pablochacin | another way is to use event like communication | 14:48 |
| pablochacin | watchers rise update events | 14:48 |
| apuimedo | it would be | 14:48 |
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| apuimedo | you start a watcher and an updater | 14:48 |
| pablochacin | translator process them, rise update events (to the annotations) | 14:49 |
| pablochacin | like pubsub instead of calls | 14:49 |
| devvesa | no, no. I am ok with annotation updates on watcher, I mean that maybe a controller should manage input/outpus of watchers/translators | 14:49 |
| devvesa | and synchronize them | 14:49 |
| apuimedo | I'd rather leave synchronization for later | 14:49 |
| apuimedo | :P | 14:49 |
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| apuimedo | after the pods | 14:49 |
| devvesa | haha. No, syncrhonize is not the word | 14:49 |
| devvesa | If we can put the business logic in a method that does not need I/O, we may simplify the tests a lot | 14:50 |
| devvesa | method/class | 14:50 |
| devvesa | watcher <-> controller <-> translator | 14:51 |
| pablochacin | dispatcher? | 14:51 |
| apuimedo | devvesa: vikasc: pablochacin: I propose we have a separate discussion this week about this | 14:51 |
| devvesa | apuimedo: ok | 14:51 |
| apuimedo | with video and diagrams | 14:51 |
| pablochacin | ok | 14:51 |
| apuimedo | cool | 14:51 |
| vikasc | awesome | 14:52 |
| apuimedo | I'll send an invite | 14:52 |
| apuimedo | #info apuimedo to send an invite to discuss k8s watcher translator archicture for Wednesday | 14:52 |
| apuimedo | #info if anybody wants to join, please ping me | 14:53 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, please avoid UTC 1400 to UTC1500 | 14:53 |
| apuimedo | vikasc: understood | 14:53 |
| pablochacin | apuimedo: could you please propose two hours for the meeting? | 14:53 |
| apuimedo | thanks | 14:53 |
| apuimedo | pablochacin: you mean two different times or a duration of two hours? | 14:53 |
| pablochacin | two times and see who can attend, devvesa and I have some meetings | 14:54 |
| apuimedo | very well | 14:55 |
| apuimedo | thanks | 14:55 |
| pablochacin | (16-17 and 18-19, if I recall well) | 14:55 |
| apuimedo | oh, I have to bring up another topic | 14:55 |
| apuimedo | but we almost ran out of time | 14:55 |
| devvesa | bring it fast! :) | 14:55 |
| devvesa | thanks all for your ideas and suggestions! | 14:55 |
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| apuimedo | we should have a discussion about the plan for container-in-vm in k8s | 14:55 |
| apuimedo | icoghla from Intel was proposing a short term step while trunk and subports are not ready based on address pairs | 14:56 |
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| apuimedo | but we need more time to discuss it than remains | 14:56 |
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| vikasc | apuimedo, any relevant link to this | 14:57 |
| apuimedo | #info let's discuss in #openstack-kuryr about the container-in-vm plan | 14:57 |
| apuimedo | vikasc: not yet | 14:57 |
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| apuimedo | #topic general | 14:57 |
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| apuimedo | any other topic before we close the meeting? | 14:57 |
| tonanhngo | Is the alternate week meeting still on? | 14:57 |
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| vikasc | its not happening these days | 14:58 |
| tonanhngo | ok | 14:58 |
| apuimedo | tonanhngo: we are lacking some volunteer to chair it and attendance | 14:58 |
| apuimedo | it was usually just one person | 14:58 |
| apuimedo | or two | 14:58 |
| apuimedo | :( | 14:58 |
| tonanhngo | would it make sense to move to this time slot? | 14:59 |
| apuimedo | tonanhngo: I think it's probably the best outcome | 14:59 |
| devvesa | +1 | 14:59 |
| pablochacin | +1 | 14:59 |
| vikasc | tonanhngo, +1 | 14:59 |
| hongbin | +1 | 14:59 |
| limao_ | +1 | 14:59 |
| apuimedo | banix: does that work for you? | 14:59 |
| banix | yes | 14:59 |
| apuimedo | alright then | 15:00 |
| tonanhngo | Thanks! | 15:00 |
| apuimedo | I'll update it | 15:00 |
| apuimedo | #info all the meetings will happen at 14utc | 15:00 |
| apuimedo | #action apuimedo to send the meeting reservation and ics updates | 15:00 |
| apuimedo | thank you all for joining the meeting! | 15:00 |
| apuimedo | it was a great one! | 15:00 |
| apuimedo | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 15:00:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-08-29-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| devvesa | thanks! | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-08-29-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-08-29-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| pablochacin | thanks, bye | 15:01 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic_neutron | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 29 16:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| jroll | hi folks | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron' | 16:00 |
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| jroll | turns out Sukhdev didn't make an agenda for this one, and neither did I | 16:00 |
| jroll | I'll roughly follow the last one | 16:00 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_August_22.2C_2016 | 16:01 |
| jroll | is anyone around? | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | I am here off and on - sitting in VMWorld keynote session | 16:01 |
| mjturek | sorry I'm late o/ | 16:01 |
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| jroll | \o | 16:02 |
| jroll | #topic announcements | 16:02 |
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| jroll | security groups patch is now up, just waiting on a release note: | 16:02 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361451 | 16:03 |
| jroll | pretty small, seems reasonable to try to get that in this week | 16:03 |
| jroll | I can pick it up if Sukhdev is busy this week to help out | 16:03 |
| jroll | portgroups api patches still in review | 16:03 |
| jroll | any other announcements? | 16:03 |
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| mjturek | new patches related to portgroups are in the chain | 16:04 |
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| mjturek | adds a field for individual_mode so you can detect if fallback is possible | 16:04 |
| devananda|OPS | o/ | 16:04 |
| jroll | cool | 16:04 |
| jroll | so I've heard :) | 16:04 |
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| mjturek | so I don't think the nova patch will be necessary anymore | 16:05 |
| jroll | nice | 16:05 |
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| jroll | so moving on | 16:06 |
| jroll | #topic patches | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "patches (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:06 | |
| jroll | we kinda started this already, but seems like things are moving | 16:06 |
| jroll | I see some CI failures on a few | 16:06 |
| jroll | er, merge conflict | 16:06 |
| jroll | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:bug/1526403+status:open | 16:06 |
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| jroll | anyone have something to chat about on this topic? | 16:07 |
| jroll | otherwise I'd say keep reviewing | 16:07 |
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| jroll | there's a couple other ocata+ things on the agenda, I'd like to skip those and focus on newton things for now | 16:08 |
| jroll | so | 16:08 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 16:08 | |
| vsaienko1 | jroll: I think they stuck in merge conflict today, I'll rebase them if mjturek do not mind | 16:09 |
| jroll | (if you have strong objections to skipping over vlan-aware baremetal or interface attach/detach APIs, we can chat about them here) | 16:09 |
| mjturek | vsaienko1: sure! | 16:09 |
| jroll | vsaienko1: cool | 16:09 |
| mjturek | vsaienko1: in regards to your individual_mode patches, think a nova side patch will be needed that leverages individual mode to see if there's a valid network possible? | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : I just pushed updated version of the patch with release notes - please have a look | 16:10 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: cool | 16:10 |
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| vsaienko1 | mjturek: which exactly? | 16:11 |
| mjturek | vsaienko1: sorry, I'm just referring to individual_mode in general | 16:11 |
| mjturek | vsaienko1: if I remember correctly, it was added in response to the nova patch to fail if portgroups are used | 16:12 |
| vsaienko1 | mjturek: yes, sambetts requested to add it | 16:12 |
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| vsaienko1 | jroll, Sukhdev: do we need to check that security group exists before starting deployment? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361451 | 16:12 |
| jroll | vsaienko1: yes, I agree we should | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : not really - it is optional | 16:13 |
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| jroll | Sukhdev: if configured, we should check that it exists | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : if it is not specified, then the default group is used | 16:13 |
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| vsaienko1 | Sukhdev: but what if ironic config contains wrong security group uuid? Deployment will fail when we will try to create a port in provisioning network | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | vsaienko1: hmmm.. I see your point. | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | vsaienko1 : we do not check for the tenant network SG, then why for provisioning? | 16:16 |
| jroll | nova verifies the tenant network SG, afaik | 16:17 |
| vsaienko1 | yeah, I think that nova should do it | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : right | 16:17 |
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| vsaienko1 | Sukhdev: dtantsur add network validate() in his patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357983/ I think it is near close to be merged, you can use the same approach to validate SG | 16:18 |
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| jroll | but nova doesn't know about the provisioning SG, is the thing | 16:18 |
| vsaienko1 | jroll: I'm not sure but might be nova adds default SG when we do not specify it? or it is done on Neutron side? | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll : if we want to check the SG, it has to be done in Ironic | 16:19 |
| jroll | vsaienko1: idk | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | vsaienko1 : neutron does | 16:19 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: right, please add that to the patch | 16:19 |
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| jroll | anything else for open discussion? | 16:20 |
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| jroll | alright, thanks for the short meeting everyone :) | 16:23 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 16:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 16:23:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-08-29-16.00.html | 16:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-08-29-16.00.txt | 16:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_neutron/2016/ironic_neutron.2016-08-29-16.00.log.html | 16:23 |
| vsaienko1 | Sukhdev: here is how validation is done on Nova side: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/359d635951ac3041df2e8c897b7dd5ca68b70745/nova/network/neutronv2/api.py#L528 | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | vsaienko1 : I will look at it when I return back to hotel in the evening - | 16:25 |
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| mriedem | yar | 21:00 |
| tonyb | #startmeeting stable | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 29 21:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stable' | 21:00 |
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| tonyb | So I don't have an agnda really because I'm slack | 21:01 |
| tonyb | 2 things that are worth talking about are | 21:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:01 |
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| tonyb | 1) space requirements in barcelona | 21:01 |
| tonyb | I was thinkign we only need on fb session to discuss the EOL date for newton | 21:02 |
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| tonyb | and possibly one to discuss the cinder stuff | 21:02 |
| mriedem | do you need a fb session for talking about newton EOL? | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | isn't there just like a general formula for deciding that? | 21:03 |
| tonyb | mriedem: only because I thought that was the "tradition" | 21:03 |
| mriedem | i guess there is a wrinkle with ocata being a short cycle | 21:03 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure how that affects things | 21:03 |
| mriedem | short by what 1 month? | 21:03 |
| tonyb | I think the policy says 12months post release so I don't think it does | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | so oct 12 2017 | 21:05 |
| mriedem | done! | 21:05 |
| mriedem | one day after my birthday | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | maybe we should EOL on my bday as a nice gift | 21:06 |
| tonyb | mriedem: awww I was going to push it back to the 16th but now I'm not sure ;P | 21:06 |
| mriedem | i'd rather have more costco cake anyway | 21:06 |
| tonyb | :) | 21:06 |
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| tonyb | I'll check with fungi as he has a lot of experience here and then fil in the google form | 21:07 |
| mriedem | ok i wasn't sure if it needed to happen after the summit around that same time or not | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | which would be sydney | 21:08 |
| tonyb | yeah. | 21:09 |
| tonyb | the other thing I wanted to talk abotu today/ at Barcelona was the whole cinder/cinder-drivers thing. but I think that shoud be in the cinder track really | 21:10 |
| mriedem | well, | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | i guess i didn't follow the entire ML thread, | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | but i'd think you'd want the same cast of characters from infra and VMT and QA that were at my xp session in austin | 21:11 |
| mriedem | because the concerns are going to be same | 21:11 |
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| tonyb | Yeah that's true. | 21:12 |
| tonyb | We could frame it as a generic discussion but with cinder as the exmaple under consideration. | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | sure, who is going to run that session? | 21:14 |
| mriedem | you? walter? sean? | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | sean = smcginnis | 21:14 |
| tonyb | we can decide closer to the time but if noone better shows up then I'll do it. | 21:14 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah that was my assumption | 21:14 |
| mriedem | i think cinder should drive this myself | 21:14 |
| mriedem | make the proposal and be ready for that at the summit | 21:14 |
| mriedem | with input before hand from the various teams mentioned above | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | i don't have great answers though, on the one hand teams should be free to do what they want, but i don't think they should be able to do that at the expense of other projects or maintainers | 21:15 |
| tonyb | Right. | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | and part of me says boohoo for people having to carry patches out of tree for their distro support branches | 21:16 |
| mriedem | everyone does that | 21:16 |
| mriedem | i really just wonder how much of this is coming from helion | 21:17 |
| mriedem | because the other distros have already handled this problem i think | 21:17 |
| tonyb | Yeah. I guess it's a question of volume of patches | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i don't know what the proposal is honestly | 21:18 |
| mriedem | someone needs to clearly communicate that | 21:18 |
| mriedem | if it means we have to keep around a bunch of old infra just for a stable/liberty branch for cinder, i don't think that's cool | 21:18 |
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| tonyb | well right now I think the proposal is let cinder do what they've suggested (nuke 3rd party drivers) and removes tags from the team | 21:19 |
| mriedem | nuke 3rd party drivers? | 21:19 |
| mriedem | what does that mean? when their ci fails or doesn't report for awhile? | 21:19 |
| tonyb | Yeah drivers that don't have workgin CI are being git rm'd from master | 21:19 |
| mriedem | note that there is no gating job for NFS, which is not 3rd party | 21:19 |
| tonyb | that's a good point but different | 21:20 |
| mriedem | so there are some double standards | 21:20 |
| tonyb | true. I didn't think of it like that. | 21:20 |
| mriedem | still, what does removing poorly behaving drivers have to do with keeping around older stable branches? | 21:20 |
| tonyb | nothing they have 2 things going at the same time | 21:20 |
| mriedem | anyway, needs a FB session for sure | 21:20 |
| mriedem | i'll be front row to nit pick :) | 21:21 |
| mriedem | i think mtreinish will like that one | 21:21 |
| tonyb | the first was "policy relaxation for stable/* and drivers which implied long lived branches" | 21:21 |
| tonyb | the 2nd was/is the removal of "non-ci drivers" | 21:21 |
| tonyb | :) | 21:21 |
| mriedem | oh right they want to allow backporting any non-feature things to the oldest stable branch as long as it was for volume drivers | 21:22 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: ? | 21:22 |
| tonyb | okay I'll put it in stable but sugest to ttx that it is probably more appropriate for cross-project | 21:22 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: discussing summit session about the cinder stable branch stuff | 21:22 |
| tonyb | Oh no you woke him ;P | 21:22 |
| mtreinish | oh, yeah I assumed there was going to be a session about that and/or extending the eol window again | 21:23 |
| tonyb | I know that cinder have problems with it but I kinda think that the least painful thing is to spin out cinder-drivers and move on | 21:23 |
| mtreinish | just like at every summit before it | 21:23 |
| tonyb | but that's probably over-simple from my POV | 21:23 |
| tonyb | mtreinish: We;; we both said pony up people and we'll talk ... crickets | 21:24 |
| mriedem | anyway, maybe we should move on, and agree there will be a session for that | 21:24 |
| tonyb | okay | 21:24 |
| tonyb | last thing for today is .... | 21:24 |
| tonyb | mriedem: If we moved this meetign to weekly ar 8am (Wednesday) for you woudl that suck? | 21:24 |
| mtreinish | tonyb: 8am for you, utc, for me, or for mriedem? | 21:25 |
| mriedem | my attendance record at this meeting isn't great lately so i wouldn't worry about me | 21:25 |
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| tonyb | mtreinish, mriedem 8am Central 2300 Canberra | 21:25 |
| mriedem | i'm usually in the office by 8:30am CT | 21:25 |
| tonyb | mriedem: neither is mine but I don | 21:25 |
| tonyb | t want to exclude you if we move | 21:25 |
| mriedem | so i just show up late | 21:25 |
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| * mtreinish is normally still asleap at 9am edt | 21:26 | |
| tonyb | mtreinish: hmm okay. | 21:26 |
| mtreinish | but I often forget about this meeting, so don't worry about excluding me | 21:27 |
| tonyb | mtreinish: :) | 21:27 |
| tonyb | mtreinish: we summon you as required ;P | 21:27 |
| mriedem | you have to make a sacrifice to summon the beast | 21:27 |
| mriedem | or roll a saving throw | 21:27 |
| tonyb | :) | 21:28 |
| mriedem | i was going to mention this again if you're out of topics https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327624/ | 21:28 |
| mriedem | since it was brought up to me again today | 21:28 |
| mriedem | and this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337277/ | 21:28 |
| mriedem | seems everyone conveniently forgot about that, i'm assuming rhel just patched it as they needed to | 21:29 |
| tonyb | hehe, I didn't forget I got distracted :( | 21:29 |
| mriedem | since i'm not in the business of handling backports for the ibm distro anymore, i don't know how the team handled that here | 21:29 |
| mriedem | or if they have even gotten to it yet | 21:30 |
| tonyb | So all the options suck it's a question of which sucks the least. | 21:30 |
| tonyb | I don't like Sean's idea of createing a 2.3.1 and settign that as the minumum as that leaves a whole bunch of valid versions that are broken | 21:31 |
| tonyb | which leaves a pretty big bump in g-r *or* a hack to nova to work with old (and vilnerable) or new. | 21:31 |
| tonyb | I guess the rigth thing for affected users if the g-r bump but then we're going back on our word and invalidate a whole bunch of history :( | 21:32 |
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| tonyb | I guess we could do the 2.3.1 release and also blacklist the otehrs but that's really just the big minimum bump by stealth | 21:34 |
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| tonyb | Well that killed the conversation ;P | 21:37 |
| mriedem | i got distracted :) | 21:38 |
| tonyb | :) | 21:38 |
| mriedem | let's just table it, i have to head out to get my kid | 21:38 |
| tonyb | okay | 21:38 |
| mriedem | let's resume the discussion after 11/17 | 21:38 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: ++ :) | 21:38 |
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| mriedem | ha | 21:38 |
| tonyb | lol | 21:38 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: you have that date memorized? | 21:38 |
| tonyb | mriedem: He has a countdown going on his phone's home screen | 21:39 |
| mtreinish | hah | 21:39 |
| tonyb | #action tonyb to re-evaluate options for fixing the nova CVE than needs an oslo bump | 21:40 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: needs to leave so ... # endmeeting? | 21:40 |
| mriedem | yes please | 21:40 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting | 21:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 21:41:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-08-29-21.00.html | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-08-29-21.00.txt | 21:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-08-29-21.00.log.html | 21:41 |
| tonyb | Thanks mriedem mtreinish o/ | 21:41 |
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