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nikhilCourtesy meeting reminder on #openstack-meeting-4: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat, aavraham, abashmak13:59
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nikhil#startmeeting glance14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 15 14:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
nikhil#topic roll call14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance'14:00
*** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)"14:00
tsymanczyk\o14:00
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dharinic\o14:00
stevelleo/14:00
rosmaitao/14:01
nikhillet's get started14:01
nikhil#topic agenda14:01
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nikhil#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda14:01
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mfedosino/14:01
nikhilshort agenda again14:01
nikhilbut we may have some additional discussions14:01
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nikhilthere's one more slot / topic that can be added to the agenda14:02
nikhilFCFS14:02
nikhil#topic Newton RC-1 Updates (nikhil)14:02
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nikhilA couple of lingering reviews are pending14:03
* rosmaita had to look up First Come First Served ... thought it was Future Cloud For Something14:03
nikhil#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/glance+branch:master+topic:newton-rc-potential14:03
nikhil:)14:03
nikhil#info here's everything planned to go in for rc1 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/glance+topic:newton-rc-potential14:04
nikhil#info I've removed this https://review.openstack.org/366995 from rc1 potential as it was getting complicated for RCs14:04
nikhil(added to the agenda)14:04
nikhil(and we can discuss it in a bit)14:05
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nikhilsomeone had brought up a store bug pending since early aug for last min release:14:05
nikhilhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/glance-store/+bug/162099914:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1620999 in glance_store "swift driver ignores user_domain_name and project_domain_name settings" [High,Triaged]14:05
nikhilBut we have frozen quite early and the workaround seems the right thing to do atm14:06
nikhilmore comments on the review and bug -- for why not have it in newton and the right way to progress14:06
nikhilThanks to all those who participated in the Sept Bug Days:14:07
nikhil#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-glance-sept-bug-days14:07
nikhilWe did not find any critical bugs to target for newton RCs nonetheless, great work on cleaning up the queue!14:07
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nikhilAbout tagging RC1 : I'm planning to propose the release as soon as the Bump followed by release notes review merges.14:08
nikhil#action glance-cores: please review asap towards workflow for https://review.openstack.org/350809 and https://review.openstack.org/36697314:09
rosmaitanikhil: you have release notes patch as WIP ... is it too early for reviews?14:10
nikhilsorry, was about to say..14:10
nikhilthe release notes patch is still WIP but I've made the updates for older release notes14:10
nikhilI would love some opinion on what formatting/rearrangement works best14:10
rosmaitaok14:11
nikhilthat way while I work on writing the new release notes, I can edit the old ones in parallel14:11
nikhilthat's it from my end.14:11
nikhilmore comments/questions?14:11
rosmaitai +A'd 350809 while we were talking ... hope that's ok14:11
nikhilrosmaita: woot! thanks much.14:12
rosmaitawelcome to Images 2.4 everyone!14:12
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nikhil\o/14:12
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nikhil#topic Import Refactor Updates (nikhil)14:13
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nikhilSo, I think it's about time to throttle on this work.14:13
nikhilI've been caught up last week in rc1, bugs, emails and some personal things.14:13
nikhilBut next week, I would like to arrange a meeting (say on wednesday -- but doodle coming soon).14:14
nikhilLet's see who is available for the next 7 days from then and we can discuss plans to code, reviews, etc.14:14
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croelandto/14:15
rosmaita\o14:15
nikhilI will likely send out a email to ML about defcore + import-work-in-progress situation early next week (once I'm not hands full with administrative responsibilities).14:15
nikhilI will keep it short today, there's no real progress on it yet. But good to keep ourselves updated and motivated for the same.14:16
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nikhilcomments/ques?14:16
rosmaita+1 to motivation14:16
nikhil:)14:16
nikhil#topic Community Images Updates (tsymanczyk)14:17
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* nikhil hands the mic to tsymanczyk14:17
tsymanczykso i've been working on an experimental changeset14:17
tsymanczykit occurred to me over the weekend that since it was SO DIFFICULT to "fix" so many tests even with nikhil's help, that probably something fundamentally had to be wrong14:18
* nikhil smiles on the fundamentally wrong part14:18
* nikhil thinks all the is_public hacks/workarounds in v1 are fundamentally wrong14:18
tsymanczyksince the original changeset had been my first real work on glance, i had to make a lot of guesses and assumptions. a lot of those were probably wrong.14:19
tsymanczykand rather than go through and try to unravel that, i thought the shortest path forward was to just start again.14:19
tsymanczykand even though i've only been working on the new one for 3 days, i think the progress has already surpassed the original changeset.14:19
tsymanczykpy34 already passes CLEANLY. and it's a much much simpler, much cleaner set of changes.14:19
tsymanczyki'm happy with the progress, finally.14:20
tsymanczyki don't expect this one to take very long.14:20
rosmaitavery cool14:20
tsymanczykand it shouldn't be that bad to port the second "add community / shared statuses" to this new one.14:20
nikhilgreat news14:20
tsymanczykbut i've been wrong before.14:20
tsymanczykfingers crossed.14:20
tsymanczykthat's all i have.14:20
tsymanczykhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/369110/14:21
tsymanczykis the new oine14:21
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* nikhil hopes to find time to review it this week14:22
nikhilThanks tsymanczyk . you just made my day!14:22
tsymanczyk:)14:22
nikhilany more comments/ques?14:23
nikhil#topic Location updates (dharinic)14:23
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* nikhil waits for dharinic14:24
nikhilhere's the link:14:24
* dharinic is here14:24
nikhil#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366995/14:24
nikhildharinic: you want to elaborate or want me to?14:24
dharinicWill put it in brief. Do add stuff that I miss.14:24
nikhilsure, please go ahead14:25
dharinicI was working on restricting updates(remove, replace) to custom location of images.14:25
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dharinicAdding a location to an image had been restricted to images that are "queued" and "active"14:26
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dharinicSo the work was to restrict access to removing and replacing.14:26
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dharinicWhile trying to get those changes, realized that we cannot actually restrict replacing of image locations to only "active" images (which was th intended goal)14:27
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dharinicReason being backward compatibility. And also cos few functional tests that were testing other functionalities depended on a queued image being replaced14:27
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dharinicSo the solution as of now was to allow "replacing" image locations for both "queued" and "active" images (though allowing replacement of an image location of a queued image makes no sense)14:28
* nikhil not too worried about functional tests14:29
dharinicSome of the discussions were what "replacing" could actually mean..14:29
dharinicYeah.. functional tests can be changed..14:29
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hemanthmI tend to go both ways on this.14:29
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nikhilok, so I want to elaborate a bit on the 'replacing' part14:30
dharinicSo if "replacing" means that we are replacing an empty location with a non-empty image location, it makes sense to be permitting that on queued images14:30
* nikhil waits14:30
rosmaitamakes sense, it's like allowing upload of image data to a queued image14:30
hemanthm1. Replacing image locations is not the only way to put a queued image into active. We can do that by adding locations too. So, there another way and probably a more appropriate way to do the same14:30
* dharinic pauses. nikhil: you can elaborate :)14:30
nikhilthe issue is something we probably should discuss with API_WG because:14:31
hemanthm2. Does this fall into the category "something that isn't supposed to work but does"?14:31
rosmaitaquick question, this is done via the PATCH command, right?14:31
nikhilPATCH used for updates but the PATCH is on the 'image14:31
hemanthmrosmaita: yes14:31
nikhilnot on the image-location14:31
nikhilso the update is technically on the image (and locations is part of it)14:31
nikhilbut the details of the update makes it icky14:32
rosmaitaand the image locations is a list, is that right?14:32
nikhilhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/366995/4/glance/tests/unit/v2/test_images_resource.py14:32
rosmaitathanks14:33
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nikhilI think the usage is wrong, but technically it's correct14:34
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nikhilto elaborate more, update on location for queued image is wrong14:34
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nikhilbut update on a queued image to a location to put it to active is NOT wrong14:34
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dharinicAs hemanthm said, replacing image locations is not the only way to put a queued image into active14:35
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* nikhil 's hunch says that we will stick with what exists today14:36
* dharinic agrees.14:36
* hemanthm agrees too14:36
rosmaitai thought there was a proposal at some point that someone was going to gather the actual use  cases for image locations?14:37
rosmaitabecause it's really hard to see what makes sense and what doesn't14:37
rosmaitawithout understanding what we're trying to accomplish here14:37
stevelle+114:37
* rosmaita hopes he wasn't the guy who was supposed to do this14:37
nikhilI agree with you rosmaita14:38
hemanthmnikhil: any way, if one is patching the image to replace locations explicitly, then the intent it quite clear. We should be more worried if there's way for users to shoot themselves in the foot14:38
nikhilhemanthm: indeed14:38
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nikhilI think the update issue isn't as bad as 'add' to non-active/queued (which is fixed! thanks to mfedosin 's initiative)14:39
nikhilrosmaita: what do you think about only fixing the removal of locations?14:40
nikhilrosmaita: we can potentailly skip the updates to when we know more14:40
nikhilremoval use case is pretty straightford and alings with glance design today14:40
hemanthmisn't removal essentially a no-op?14:41
rosmaitaso when you say "fixing the removal" ?14:41
hemanthmremoval for queued I mean14:41
nikhilif image.status not in ('active'):14:41
dharinicremoval of locations is allowed only for "active" images as of the latest PS14:41
nikhilis what we will go with14:41
nikhil== dharinic14:42
dharinicthe confusion was with replacing.. Looks like we shall be permitting "replacing" for "active" and "queued"14:42
nikhilbecause "I think" this affects deactivated14:42
Jokke_o/ for the last minutes14:42
dharinicyeah..14:43
rosmaitamike's patch has merged that prohibits the only location being removed from an active image, right?14:43
nikhilrosmaita: that only is for 'add' to locations14:43
nikhilrosmaita: dharinic 's patch deals with replace and remove14:43
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nikhilso, let's fix this quickly because if it's a security issue for deactivated we shouldn't stall on the patch14:45
nikhil(public security)14:45
nikhilmoving on for now14:45
nikhil#topic open discussion14:46
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Jokke_just to add to the locations discussion, we do not want to let replace locations either (as we have no way to verify that one original location is still there)14:47
tamilhceHi im tamil vanan , newbie   can i have a question here  regarding  one of the the glance bug14:47
Jokke_hi tamilhce, welcome and shoot!14:48
nikhilJokke_: yeah... something for discussion :)14:48
Jokke_tamilhce: during open discussion just jump in14:48
tamilhceRegarding : https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/161653914:48
openstackLaunchpad bug 1616539 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "architecture not validated in "openstack image create"" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to tamil vanan (tamilhce)14:48
nikhilha.. Jokke_ is saying exactly what I was typing, only faster14:49
tamilhceis it necessary to validated the architecture value while creating image14:49
Jokke_nikhil: imo we should just discuss deprecating all user location commands due to the security issues ... as soon as we get around one, next pops up14:49
rosmaitatamilhce: does glance know what the valid architecture values are?14:50
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nikhilJokke_: yes, like rosmaita mentioned above there was supposed to be a spec to be proposed on this (for some sort of location use cases and design methodology)14:50
tamilhceif need we can restrict the user with set of architecture values14:51
nikhilJokke_: may be we can timebox it, if we don't see a spec in next 6 weeks, we will deprecate locations14:51
rosmaitatamilhce: sure, but how do we know we are using the "right" values?14:51
nikhilI don't think the issue can be scoped to architure then14:51
tamilhceI have just  committed a  fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362861/14:51
nikhiltamilhce: I think the question is : what is the source of truth for identifying those values?14:52
tamilhceopenstack  docs list the supported  architecture  as well as i this values are hardcoded in nova14:53
tamilhce*lists14:53
nikhiltrue but glance is not limited to nova :)14:53
Jokke_nikhil: well I think no-one else but nova cares about that property either ;)14:54
rosmaitatamilhce: the reason there's a doc ref in the schema is that docs can move faster than code14:54
nikhilalso if we do have openstack official list, we need it in a central repository and not in individual projects14:54
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rosmaitametadefs!14:54
Jokke_so if there is definite list, we could just add that to schema and get the validation14:54
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nikhilwell today it's architecture, tomorrow it's something else -- ramdisk!14:55
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Jokke_nikhil: yeah, that's called progress or evolution :P14:56
rosmaitatamilhce: i think what we need is a proposal to use metadefs, which are configurable and discoverable, to govern the values put into particular image properties14:56
nikhilno, this is bad design14:56
tamilhce@rosmaita the  definite list is available in  nova/arch14:56
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rosmaitatamilhce: you know that it will not change? and how do we get it?14:57
nikhilyeap14:57
rosmaitalike nikhil said, the list needs to be in a centralized discoverable location14:57
Jokke_like config file! :P14:57
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nikhilew14:58
nikhilit's not a base property14:58
rosmaitaJokke_: ;)14:58
tamilhceyeah you guys are correct14:58
nikhilout config files will explode in a few cycles14:58
nikhilour*14:58
tamilhceit should be  centralized14:58
stevellea feature masquerading as a bug14:58
rosmaitatamilhce: we're sympathetic to your use case, but i think we need some kind of more robust solution14:58
Jokke_tamilhce: so before we run out of time, you can assume it as "wont-fix" at Glance end for now14:58
nikhilindeed stevelle14:58
nikhilI agree with stevelle and rosmaita14:59
nikhilwe do care14:59
rosmaitatamilhce: i'm serious about the metadefs approach14:59
nikhilbut not for a short term fix14:59
rosmaitabut it needs to be thought out more carefully14:59
tamilhcesure @jokke, if need i can explore more and come up with better solution14:59
nikhilwell, rosmaita  :)14:59
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nikhilok, time's up14:59
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rosmaitatamilhce: way to go! we will look forward to your proposal!15:00
Jokke_tamilhce: specs repo for Ocata is open, we might approve it after Pike ;)15:00
nikhilwe made progress on different things today15:00
nikhillet's keep working further15:00
nikhilthanks all for joining!15:00
nikhil#endmeeting15:00
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Sep 15 15:00:21 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:00
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tamilhceits my first meeting15:00
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tamilhcereally happy to meet u all15:00
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tamilhce:)15:00
TravT#startmeeting openstack search15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 15 15:00:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search'15:00
RickA-HPo/15:01
TravTmorning15:01
sjmc7mornin15:01
rosmaitao/15:01
TravTmight be a light crowd today15:01
TravTlei, li and kevin all look to be offline15:02
GB21o/15:02
TravThi GB2115:02
GB21hi TravT :D15:03
TravT#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda15:03
TravTagenda^15:03
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TravT#topic newton release status15:03
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TravTWe'll need to tag RC1 by tomorrow morning15:03
TravThttps://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html15:03
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TravT    FFEs15:04
TravT    RBAC for network sharing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348701/15:04
TravT    API Ref docs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357287/15:04
TravT    Searchlight UI improvements15:04
TravT    Bug fixes15:04
TravT    https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%255E.*searchlight.*+status:open+topic:^.*bug.*15:04
TravTon the service side15:04
TravTwe just need to get this one in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348701/15:04
TravTso, we owe RickA-HP reviews15:05
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sjmc7i’ll review it again today, looks good with the last set of changes15:05
TravTcool15:05
TravTthere has been some ironic work going on from yuriy, but i think it is targeted at ocata.15:05
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sjmc7yeah, i’ve not been able to spend enough time revieiwng it to get it into newton15:06
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RickA-HPI scanned the changes, but I haven't done anything in-depth yet.15:06
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TravTi noticed the ironic ptl candidate mentioned notifications for searchlight in his email.15:06
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TravT* Ironic now emits software metrics and has a framework for emitting15:07
TravT  notifications for use by Searchlight and other systems.”15:07
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TravTmentions that as being done in Newton15:07
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rosmaitaspeaking of searchlight ptl candidates15:07
rosmaitawhich i know we're not talking about15:07
rosmaitathere's like 85 hours left to declare15:08
TravT#topic ptl15:08
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TravTsince rosmaita wants to discuss...15:08
TravT:)15:08
sjmc7i’m intending to nominate myself, been on vacation all week15:08
sjmc7i’ll put the review up later15:08
TravT\o/15:08
TravTthat's great!15:08
rosmaitayes, indeed!15:09
TravTrosmaita are you the only one running for glance?15:10
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rosmaitaat the moment15:10
rosmaitastill 85 hours left15:10
rosmaita:)15:10
sjmc7:)15:10
TravTnervous? :)15:10
GB21Good luck rosmaita15:10
rosmaitanot really, because the problem with running is that you might actually win15:11
rosmaitaGB21: thanks!15:11
TravTshhh15:11
RickA-HP:)15:11
TravTdon't scare sjmc7 away15:11
rosmaitawell, sjmc7 isn't going to run for glance ptl, i don't think15:11
rosmaitasearchlight is a young and vibrant project15:11
TravTBTW, i created all the ocata milestones in launchpad. so bugs and bps can be targetted.15:11
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TravTyingjun: o/15:12
sjmc7don’t be too sure rosmaita. i might get mad with ambition15:12
yingjuno/15:12
rosmaitasjmc7: i dare you!15:12
TravTyingjun, FYI that we don't have many topics today15:13
sjmc7i’ll run on a platform of correct English spelling with excess ‘u’s15:13
TravTmainly need to get reviews done15:13
GB21I would like to take the glare artifacts one, since it is very much close to Glance15:13
sjmc7that’d be good gb21; glare looks like it’s getting traction15:14
TravTGB21 you should check in with the Glare team on that as well.15:14
TravTthey sent me an email a few weeks ago15:14
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yingjunOkay15:14
TravT#topic open discussion15:14
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TravTsince we were already doing that15:14
GB21oki TravT nd sjmc7 :D15:15
TravT(open discussion)15:15
TravTyingjun are there any nova summit topics on notifications?15:15
RickA-HPTravT: Should we verify with yuriy which release they are targetting for the Ironic plugins?15:15
TravTRickA-HP: yes, probably should check once more.15:15
TravTi had left a comment early on15:16
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sjmc7it’s probably too late now anyway, but we can ask15:16
TravTRickA-HP do you want to follow up with them?15:16
RickA-HPTravT: Sure15:16
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TravTWe might want to go ahead and proactively put up a patch for sl-ui resource type registration15:16
TravTjust so some strings show up a bit prettier15:17
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TravTrosmaita: do you need anything else on the api docs?15:17
rosmaitajust time to acutally do it15:17
rosmaitagot helpful comments from TravT and RickA-HP15:18
TravTokay15:18
rosmaitaso i hope to work on it this afternooon15:18
yingjunIt's mid-autumn festival here in China:)15:18
TravTcool15:18
RickA-HPTravT: There are a lot of open searchlight-ui patches. Are there any we should be especially be reviewing?15:18
TravTyingjun sounds fun.15:18
TravTwhat do you do in that festival?15:18
rosmaitai will celebrate mid-autumn festival by working on api-ref15:18
TravTummm...15:18
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yingjunMost of people are on holiday..15:19
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TravTRickA-HP: yes. but i think i have to fix a couple things in the patches out there.15:19
TravTmatt-borland was starting to look at them again15:19
TravTand the list of bugs15:19
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RickA-HPTravT: Ok15:19
TravToh, FYI, there are a couple of operator user studies going on today and tomorrow with it15:20
matt-borlandyeah, I've been away from SL-UI for a bit, but looking like today I may start again15:20
TravTI'm literally quadruple booked during the one today15:20
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TravTbut matt-borland and tyr might watch over as it happens15:20
TravToh, one other topic15:21
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TravTnevermind... was thinking of something different15:21
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TravT(spread a little thin - sitting in a conference room with somebody presenting at the front)15:22
TravTany other conversation?15:22
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sjmc7your morning is so much more exciting than mine15:22
TravTnot really15:23
TravTi couldn't sleep15:23
TravTdecided to slide out of bed at 5 am and hack away at some ui bugs15:23
rosmaitayou are living large15:24
TravTthat usually produces "great" results15:24
sjmc7that’s how i got my degree!15:24
rosmaitayou could read the glance image import spec, that should put you out in about 3 minutes15:24
TravThahaha15:24
TravTthe horizon guys are about to murder me15:24
TravTfor not reviewing the glance v2 patch15:25
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TravTi hope to wake up at 3 am tonight and get working on that15:25
TravT;)15:25
sjmc7:)15:26
TravTwell, i'm just wasting people's time at this point...15:26
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TravTsjmc7: thank you for stepping up to the PTL plate.15:26
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sjmc7np. rosmaita, looking forward to a fair fight15:26
rosmaitafair???15:27
sjmc7i live in chicago, it’s relative15:27
rosmaitavote early and often!15:27
RickA-HPBye and yingjun enjoy the rest of your mid-autumn festival.15:27
TravTthanks everybody!15:27
TravT#endmeeting15:27
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mhayden#startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 15 16:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mhayden. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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prometheanfireo/16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible'16:00
mhayden#topic Roll Call16:00
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prometheanfire\o16:00
jorgemo/16:00
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mhaydencongrats to prometheanfire for getting in first! :P16:00
nishpatwa_\o16:00
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nishpatwa_haha16:00
michaelguginohi16:01
prometheanfireI didn't say 'FIRST' so it doesn't count16:01
cloudnullo/16:01
mhaydenodyssey4me and his UK friends are out on the town causing trouble, so we may have a few less folks in here than normal ;)16:02
cloudnullI believe many of our UK cohort will be away todya.16:02
cloudnull++16:02
automagicallyo/16:02
mhaydenthis means that all bugs we talk about in today's meeting get assigned to them, right?16:02
jmccroryo/16:02
automagicallydefinitely16:02
mhaydenokay, we have a good group here, so let's get underway16:03
mhayden#topic Action items from last week16:03
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mhayden#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-09-08-16.00.html16:03
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mhaydenthe reviews i brought up last week got merged16:04
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mhaydenas did stevelle's Gnocchi identity patch16:04
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mhaydenso i think we're good on those action items16:04
stevelleyup16:04
mhayden#topic Newton RC1 release16:04
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cloudnullyupie16:05
mhaydeni know we're missing odyssey4me today -- is there anything to discuss on this topic?16:05
cloudnulli believe we need https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%255Eopenstack/openstack-ansible.*+starredby:jesse-pretorius+status:open16:05
mhaydenah good call16:06
cloudnulland the gate is being mighty nasty16:06
mhayden#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%255Eopenstack/openstack-ansible.*+starredby:jesse-pretorius+status:open16:06
cloudnullwhich is likely due to issues in the projects as they too scramble to get RC1 out16:06
cloudnullso recheck recheck recheck16:06
cloudnullif folks can help babysit it'd be great16:06
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cloudnullI have a few stared items too16:07
cloudnullhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:cloudnull+status:open,n,z16:07
cloudnull#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:cloudnull+status:open,n,z16:07
cloudnullwhich would be nice to haves16:07
mhaydenah, i'll gander at those after this mtg, cloudnull16:07
mhaydenanyone have anything else urgent on the topic of RC116:07
cloudnullalso I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365098/16:07
cloudnullneeds to be updated for doc review from robb16:08
cloudnullthats all i got16:08
mhaydengood stucc16:08
mhaydens/stucc/stuff/16:08
mhaydenwe'll keep rollin'16:08
mhayden#topic Octavia + OpenStack-Ansible16:09
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mhaydenwelcome to jorgem and johnsom from the land of octavia! :)16:09
jorgemhey everyone16:09
johnsomHi there16:09
jorgemnice to virtually meet you all16:09
jorgem;)16:09
mhaydencan y'all introduce yourselves and share a little bit of what you're interested in doing?16:09
jorgemsure thing.16:09
cloudnullohai16:09
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johnsomI am the current Octavia PTL16:10
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jorgemI'm Product Manager (former dev turned to the dark side) at Rackspace for CLoud Load Balancing and Cloud Networks. Have been mostly involved with Neutron LBaaS and Octavia16:10
nishpatwa_This is Nish I am in the OSIC team16:10
jorgemInterested in getting LBaaS integrated into OSA16:10
cloudnullcoolo16:11
cloudnull*cool16:11
jorgemcause it's ready for primetime :)16:11
johnsomYes, newton will be the third Octavia release where it is the reference driver for neutron-lbaas.16:12
jorgemJust wanted to hear from everyone what the best approach is. I heard we may need an LBaaS role of some sort?16:12
mhaydenwe currently have LBaaSv2 running with an agent right now in Liberty, Mitaka, and Newton16:12
mhaydenit seems like we could get a new role together for octavia and run it in its own container16:12
johnsomRight, that was my understanding as well.  I think what is needed is to add support for the Octavia driver16:12
mhaydenand we'd need a toggle for deployers to choose between LBaaSv2+agent and LBaaSv2+octavia16:13
jorgemawesome. Anything else we would need?16:13
mhaydenwe will also need an image built and tagged properly in glance, correct? since octavia uses that image when it builds LB vm's?16:14
jorgemthat is my understanding but will defer to johnsom16:14
mhaydenalso there's a management network in play that we will need to configure -- we have patterns for this in the tempest role now if i remember correctly16:15
johnsomThat is correct, we use diskimage-builder to create the image for the service vms.16:15
johnsomThe management network is probably the other major work item16:15
mhaydenjorgem / johnsom: the best way to start might be to make a spec and lay all this out for a review16:15
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mhaydenhttps://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-specs16:15
jorgemcool deal mhayden16:15
mhaydeni have one from liberty that you can feel free copy as much as you want -> http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-ansible-specs/specs/mitaka/lbaasv2.html16:16
cloudnullcan octavia do multi-master(controller) yes?16:16
cloudnull*yet16:16
mhaydeni never made it all the way to octavia in that spec, just to lbaasv2+agent16:16
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johnsomYes, all of the control plane processes are multi-instance friendly (and we strongly encourage it)16:16
mhaydenjohnsom: but the active-active LB support is coming in ocata, right?16:18
mhaydennot sure if that's what cloudnull  was asking16:18
cloudnullcan you run more than more than one conroller16:18
BjoernTmhayden: Were there talks about the required provider network for octavia and security issues we had with that ?16:18
mhaydenBjoernT: yeah, we will need a plan for that16:18
johnsomFor the data side, the load balancers themselves, we currently support active/standby in mitaka and newton.  Active/Active should land early in Ocata16:18
mhaydenthe management/provider network will be something new, as is the image build itself -- so those will require some head scratching to get right16:19
mhaydenthe rest is pretty standard openstack stuff16:19
johnsomcloudnull Yes, we encourage all of the controller process to run multi-instance16:19
mhaydenwe already have the neutron half of the project deployed16:19
cloudnulljohnsom: multi-instance?16:19
cloudnullas in a VM?16:19
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jorgemor physical host16:20
mhaydencloudnull: the LB (haproxy) itself runs inside VM's16:20
johnsomcloudnull as in multiple python processes running on multiple nodes16:20
johnsomI.e. the controller worker process should be running on three or more nodes16:20
mhaydenjorgem / johnsom: could y'all propose a spec with your proposed work items and we can get some reviews going in gerrit?16:20
* mhayden said y'all :|16:21
jorgemsure thing mhayden16:21
cloudnullso octavia can be installed on our typicall three neutron_agent containers and scheduelling can happen at all three at the same time?16:21
jorgemmhayden: Are there other's already working on LBaaS items in OSA?16:21
cloudnullwhich is what I want to know16:21
cloudnullwhich is what I mean by "can you run more than more than one conroller "16:21
mhaydenjorgem: at the moment, not that i am aware of16:22
jorgemk16:22
mhaydenjohnsom: i think cloudnull is asking if we can run multiple octavia workers at the same time16:22
mhaydenam i right?16:22
jorgemmhayden: Anyone who is interested that you know of?16:22
cloudnullyes16:22
mhaydenjorgem: i am!16:22
jorgemsweet16:22
mhaydenautomagically / jmccrory: any interest in your world for more robust LBaaS in OSA?16:23
automagicallyYes!16:23
jmccrorydefinitely16:23
johnsomcloudnull Yes, though you may not want to tie it to the neutron_agent container.  Other vendor Ansible deployments of Octavia put the Octavia API, Controller worker, Health manager, and Housekeeping in their own nodes/containers.16:23
mhaydenwoot16:23
jorgemjust wondering who to pester once spec is up ;)16:23
automagicallyThat said, we may well end up using the A10 and F5 drivers16:23
mhaydenjorgem: just assign all the work items to automagically -- he's great16:23
jorgemmhayden: haha noted good sir16:23
johnsommhayden Yes, they all run at the same time for load and HA reasons16:23
mhaydencloudnull: ^^16:24
cloudnulljohnsom: that's fine, i just want to make sure I can setup multiple octavia conrollers across the cluster without having to do some hostname muging and the such.16:24
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mhayden#action jorgem/johnsom to work on a new octavia spec that is much better than mhayden's16:24
johnsomNo hostname muging, ha!16:24
mhaydenanything else on octavia for now?16:25
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jorgemsounds pretty straight forward unless there are more questions for johnsom and myself16:25
mhaydenwoot16:25
johnsomPlease feel free to reach out to me with questions.  I can also talk directly with folks/teams if you want more information about Octavia and it's current state16:25
jorgem#openstack-lbaas is where we hang out16:25
mhaydenthanks for joining us, jorgem and johnsom! :)16:25
jorgemthanks everyone!16:26
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johnsomo/16:26
mhayden#topic Release planning and decisions16:26
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mhaydenso 12.2.3 and 13.3.3 came out this week16:26
mhaydenwas there anything urgent to get into the next release?16:26
mhaydeni know cloudnull and odyssey4me were working with the shenanigans in the py_pkgs lookup16:26
cloudnulli think those are done16:27
mhaydenwoot16:27
mhaydenanything else on this?16:27
mhayden#topic Open floor16:28
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mhaydenthanks to everyone who helped get the security documentation patches rolling16:28
mhaydennow everything is automatically generated -- much less manual labor on updating docs for controls ;)16:28
mhaydenand i set a (horrible) pattern for adding sphinx extensions to generate automatic docs from scripts16:29
mhaydenanyone have any reviews that they need help with other than the ones that cloudnull brought up earlier?16:29
mhaydenautomagically: need assistance on the ansible 2.1.1 reviews still?16:29
automagicallyDo I ever16:30
automagicallyLooks like some of the more recent failures are due to some fact gathering not occurring for containers16:30
automagicallyHere’s what’s open: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/ansible-2-1-support+status:open16:30
automagicallyAnyone want to jump on os_swift, os_ironic, os_watcher, etc16:31
automagicallyBe my guest16:31
automagicallygnocchi, neutron and tempest as well16:31
mhaydeni'll grab watcher for ya16:31
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mhaydenanything else to discuss today?16:32
johnsomIs barbican already available in OSA?16:32
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automagicallyjohnsom: The role has been around for awhile, not sure if anyone’s running it in production16:32
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palendaeI know there was some work around it when people were trying to get magnum in16:33
palendaeBut I don't know the state of either currently16:33
johnsomOk, thanks16:33
mhaydenokay, i'll close it up if there's nothing else16:34
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mhaydenokay, thanks everyone!16:35
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mhayden#endmeeting16:35
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LouisF#startmeeting service_chaining17:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 15 17:02:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is LouisF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining'17:02
LouisFhi all17:02
bcafarelhello17:02
LouisFbcafarel: hi17:03
yamahatahello17:03
doonhammerhello17:03
LouisFyamahata: hi17:03
LouisFdoonhammer: hi17:03
LouisFagenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceFunctionChainingMeeting#Agenda_for_the_Networking-SFC_Meeting_.289.2F15.2F2016.2917:03
LouisFi want to go over status of work17:03
reedip-homeHi17:04
LouisF#topic work status17:04
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jankiHi17:04
LouisFhi17:04
LouisFhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/351789/17:04
jankiThis is my first meeting here. I am Janki.17:05
LouisFjanki: welcome17:05
bcafareljanki: welcome17:05
jankiLouisF, bcafarel thank you17:05
LouisFbcafarel: how is work on Replace OVSSfcAgent by a L2 agent extension progressing?17:05
bcafarelI left it marked as "WIP" because I have to update unit and functional tests17:06
bcafarelbut code is OK and manual tests look fine17:06
bcafarel(creating sample chains)17:07
LouisFbcafarel: great when do expect the unit and functional test to be complete?17:07
reedip-homeBtw, it's my first meeting too :p17:07
LouisFreedip-home: welcome17:07
bcafarelLouisF: no more than a few days, I'd like to get this in review phase soon17:08
reedip-homebcafarel: is it the link defined above???17:08
bcafareland I have igordcard waiting for it also :)17:08
bcafarelreedip-home: indeed17:09
bcafarel(and welcome also!)17:09
LouisFbcafarel: excellent looking forward to the patch17:09
reedip-homebcafarel: okay great :)17:09
LouisFbcafarel: thanks for your work on this17:09
bcafarelLouisF: you're welcome, it was a nice way to get into SFC code17:10
LouisFStephen Wong is not on so i'll skip to next item17:10
bcafareland it will make Neutron people happy too (and packagers)17:10
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LouisFbcafarel: definitely17:10
LouisFs3wong: you arrived at exactly the right moment17:11
igordcardgreat work so far17:11
s3wongLouisF: hello17:11
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LouisFs3wong: hi the next item is the tacker drive for sfc17:11
LouisFhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/347568/17:11
LouisFi noticed you had pushed a new patch17:12
s3wongyes --- in the VNFFG plugin code, trozet uses the VIM driver directly to invoke chaining related calls17:12
s3wongso there were two options for the n-sfc driver to conform17:13
s3wong(a) register as a driver_type, and makes VNFFG plugin smart enough to know if vim=='openstack', load networking-sfc driver17:13
s3wong(b) collapse the current networking-sfc driver into openstack vim driver17:14
s3wongafter some discussions, we decided to go with (b)17:14
LouisFs3wong: sounds like the better approach17:14
s3wongsince in VNFFG plugin, trozet actually also collapsed that plugin into NFVO plugin17:14
s3wongso now, for full end to end test, diga is working on it17:15
LouisFs3wong: great sounds like good progress17:15
s3wongour goal is to have at least one pass from TOSCA NFV VNFFG template to OVS networking-sfc driver by the end of the week17:15
LouisFs3wong: thats great17:16
s3wongkeeping fingers crossed17:16
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LouisFs3wong: thanks for your work on this17:16
s3wongLouisF: np17:16
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LouisFok on to next item in agenda: driver interface pre-commit/post-commit change17:17
LouisFhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/363893/17:17
yamahataThat patch is updated.17:18
yamahataThe remaining stuff is to answer LouisF 's question.17:18
yamahataIt seems like you want to know details, not high level description.17:18
LouisFyamahata: some detail would be useful17:18
yamahataI put detailed commit message.17:18
yamahataMaybe you want something different...17:19
LouisFyamahata: can you describe how existing drivers, eg ovs, onos would not be affected by this change17:20
LouisFi would like everyone to review this17:20
yamahataIt's described in commit message line 19-17:20
yamahataProbably it's not what you want to see, though. Can you elaborate what you want to see?17:21
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LouisFyamahata: thanks that is fine17:22
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LouisFmohan and vikram should review this as they work with the onos driver17:23
LouisFthey are not on  the call  - i will contact them17:23
LouisFok moving on;17:24
LouisFfix tempest tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363413/17:24
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LouisFbcafarel: you had a comment regarding the migrations17:25
* bcafarel looks17:25
bcafarelah yes17:25
bcafarelI guess they got accidentally in this patch, these are the migrations from the tenant->project revert17:26
LouisFbcafarel: those migration changes should be removed from this patch - right?17:27
bcafarelthere is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367770/ for just the revert (revert revert actually)17:27
bcafarelLouisF: it'd be better as they are not really related17:27
LouisFbcafarel: ok i will contact patch author make corrections17:28
LouisFbcafarel: thanks17:28
bcafarelLouisF: np17:28
LouisFok next on to symmetric chain api https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308274/17:29
LouisFPavel was working on this but he is not on17:30
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LouisFi will contact him on that17:30
LouisFovs driver/agent spec for symmetric chains https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368155/17:31
LouisFplease review this17:32
LouisFpatch for work on the code will follow in a few weeks17:32
LouisFany other comments before we llok at bugs17:34
LouisFlook17:34
LouisF#topic bug scrub17:35
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LouisFhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/159903717:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1599037 in networking-sfc "make get_port_mask more efficient by avoiding some unnecessarily mask checking" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to ding bo (longddropt)17:36
LouisFthis has been around for a while but needs to be  rebased17:36
LouisFi will contact ding bo17:36
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LouisFhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/158223817:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1582238 in networking-sfc "Add "priority” field in flow-classifier" [Undecided,In progress]17:37
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LouisFmohan has been working on this - i will ping him on status17:38
LouisFhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/161790417:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1617904 in networking-sfc "set [flowclassifier] section default drivers to ovs " [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to xiaodongwang (xiaodongwang991481)17:39
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LouisFi will check with xiaodong on this17:39
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LouisFhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/158748617:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1587486 in networking-sfc "Support SFC Encapsulation" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Igor Duarte Cardoso (igordcard)17:40
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LouisFigordcard: what is the status of this?17:40
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igordcardLouisF: let me get the link17:41
igordcardthis is patch 1 out of 3 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346175/17:41
igordcardI'll bring updates to it soon17:41
igordcardpatch 2 out of 3 is dependent on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351789/17:42
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igordcard(enable nsh encap/decap, not yet submitted)17:42
LouisFigordcard: thanks17:42
igordcardI will bring the new driver interface to patch 1/3 too, it is important to have the correct way of updating a port chain17:42
igordcardpatch 3/3 is the sfc graph, will submit later17:43
igordcardthat's all17:44
LouisFigordcard: thanks  for your work17:44
LouisFhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/160567517:45
openstackLaunchpad bug 1605675 in networking-sfc "Models and migrations are out of sync, not tested" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Henry Gessau (gessau)17:45
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LouisFi will contact henry gessau on this17:45
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LouisFok thats all i have17:47
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reedip-homeLouisF : quick query.17:47
LouisFreedip-home: go ahead17:48
reedip-homeThis was a part of the query shared on the dev list17:48
reedip-homeAs I am currently restarting my work on TaaS, wanted to know about this17:50
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LouisFok i saw that17:50
LouisFfrom Subrahmanyam Ongole  - right?17:51
reedip-homeLouisF : TaaS team had an initial discussion at the Austin Summit17:51
LouisFis that you?17:51
reedip-homeYes17:51
reedip-homeBut the topic never got the momentum17:51
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reedip-homeUmm, no :)17:51
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reedip-homeWe can discuss and share our requirements with Networking SFC17:52
LouisFare you thinking of adding taas to sfc?17:52
reedip-homeKind of17:52
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reedip-homeI do not have the complete picture but I wanted to know if that is possible17:53
LouisFdo you have the taas requirements?17:53
reedip-homeIn the O/P release??17:53
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s3wongreedip-home: don't know much about TaaS; is it a standalone service (in VM, for example, with Neutron ports), or is it just OVS redirecting traffic to a collector?17:54
LouisFreedip-home: is there a description or spec?17:55
reedip-homes3wong : taas is being deployed ad a service17:55
reedip-homeLouisF, s3wong: hold on17:55
s3wongreedip-home: with Neutron ports associated?17:56
reedip-home#link : https://github.com/openstack/tap-as-a-service17:56
reedip-homes3wong: yes, a neutron network17:56
LouisFreedip-home: we can investigate and see how sfc and taas can potentially integrate17:57
reedip-homeLouisF: lets have a discussion on this , if possible on the ML and the weekly Meetings17:58
s3wongreedip-home: so your intent is that instead of having users explicitly place the TaaS Neutron ports as part of the chain, you want to have networking-sfc APIs/resources to automatically insert tap into the chain?17:58
reedip-homes3wong : I believe so17:58
reedip-homeThe time is short so therefore we can move this discussion for other forums.17:59
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LouisFreedip-home: we can discuss offline17:59
LouisFok thanks all17:59
s3wongreedip-home, LouisF: ML, I guess?17:59
LouisFbye17:59
LouisFs3wong: yes18:00
bcafarelbye18:00
s3wongbye18:00
LouisF#endmeeting18:00
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reedip-homeTaaS meeting is on http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Tap_as_a_Service_Meeting18:00
reedip-home Louisf18:01
reedip-homeLouisF, s3wong: ML18:01
s3wongreedip-home: is it now a Neutron stadium project?18:01
reedip-homeWe are trying to get it in Ocata18:02
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s3wongreedip-home: I see18:03
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