Wednesday, 2016-10-12

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acabot#startmeeting watcher09:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 12 09:02:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:02
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vincentfrancoiseo/09:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'watcher'09:02
acaboto/09:02
Yumeng_hi09:03
dtardivelhi09:03
licanweihi09:03
acabotagenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#10.2F12.2F201609:03
acabot#topic Announcements09:03
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acabot#info meeting agenda for Barcelona design summit is nearly finalized, please add missing topics before end of week09:04
acabot#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-ocata-design-session09:04
acabotYumeng_ licanwei : will you be in Barcelona ?09:04
tmetschhi09:04
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alexchad_o/09:05
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acabothi tmesch : do you know if you will be in Barcelona ?09:05
Yumeng_I would love to .but it's a pity I will not be there.09:05
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tmetschacabot: I won't be :-(09:05
acabotYumeng_ : ok09:05
acabottmetsch : ok, is Kevin going ?09:05
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acabot#info sessions titles have been updated on the official agenda09:06
tmetschacabot: we are looking into that.09:06
acabot#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=watcher09:06
acabottmetsch : ok cool09:06
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acabotshould we schedule discussions with Congress ? Nova (Unconference session) ? Monasca ?09:07
licanweiacabot : I won't be09:07
acabotlicanwei : ok09:07
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acabotthere is still room in Nova unconference session, alexchadin, you already tried it before, what do you think ?09:08
alexchadin_acabot: what should I do there?09:08
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acabotit would be to discuss Nova policies respect09:09
acabotI dont know if the unconference session is the good place09:09
acabotand I dont find any other session in Nova agenda to mention it09:09
alexchadin_I can go to this session with someone else:)09:10
acabotI will check with sballe & jwcroppe next week what they want to do with Nova09:10
acabotI think we should follow up the discussion started at the mid-cycle in Portland09:10
alexchadin_Do we have a log of that discussion?09:11
acabotanyone wants to discuss with Congress ?09:11
alexchadin_since I hadn't been at the mid-cycle09:11
acabotalexchadin_ : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100600.html & http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/100327.html09:11
alexchadin_acabot: Congress is something similar to Watcher?09:12
vincentfrancoiseacabot: as discussed before I will be at one of the congress work session to see what they will be doing in Ocata and maybe present them Watcher09:12
acabotalexchadin_ : no Congress is for policy management in OpenStack09:12
alexchadin_acabot: thanks for links09:12
acabotbut the main idea I discussed with them was to get policies from Congress instead of Nova in Watcher09:13
acabot#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093826.html09:14
acabot"Want to use Congress as a09:14
acabotsource of policies that they take into account when computing the necessary09:14
acabotmigrations."09:14
alexchadin_acabot: Thank you, will take a look09:14
alexchadin_acabot: hm, looks like Congress should be in sync with Scheduler, right?09:14
acabot#action vincentfrancoise attend a Congress work session to discuss possible sync with Watcher09:14
acabotalexchadin_ : yes they should be09:15
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acabot#info Watcher will have a room at the PTG in Atlanta09:15
acabot#link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/09:15
acabotit will be a great place for cross-projects meetings09:16
acabotso if we want to achieve something with Nova or Congress, we should definitely start working with them in Barcelona09:16
acabotany other announcement ?09:16
alexchadin_+109:16
alexchadin_acabot: I have new BP09:17
acabothttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/adviser-to-choose-strategy ?09:17
alexchadin_yeap09:17
alexchadin_we can discuss it later, BTW09:17
alexchadin_just wanted to notify you09:17
acabotok, could you add it in the summit agenda ?09:18
alexchadin_liiiiink09:18
acabot#topic Review Action Items09:18
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acabotalexchadin_ : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-ocata-design-session09:18
alexchadin_acabot: thanks09:18
acabotscale out or delete instance based on workload needs discussions09:19
acabot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359690/09:19
Yumeng_yep09:19
acabotlicanwei : did you have the time to look at comments ?09:19
Yumeng_acabot & hvprash:I just replied your comments this morning, can you please have a look?09:19
acabotYumeng_ : sorry I didn't notice09:20
licanweiacabot: yes09:20
acabotwhat about the heat use case ?09:20
acabotI will look at your comments09:20
Yumeng_I just update this morning. just want to notify you.09:20
acabot#action acabot sballe jwcroppe hvprash review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359690/09:21
acabotautomatic triggering of action plans for AUDIT needs final reviews from core09:21
acabot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/09:21
acabotdiga ?09:21
acabot#action acabot sballe jwcroppe hvprash review  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/09:22
acabotSpecs for watcher-notifications-ovo needs reviews09:22
acabot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384370/09:22
acabotwho can review it ?09:23
Yumeng_can i have a try for reviewing?09:23
acabotactually there are 3 specs in the same field09:23
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acabotYumeng_ : sure, please don'ask, all reviews are welcome !09:23
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Yumeng_thx :)09:23
acabot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385077/09:23
vincentfrancoiseacabot: ^^^ +209:23
acabot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383718/09:24
acabot#action acabot Yumeng_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384370/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385077/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383718/09:24
acabotDefine grammar for workload characterization needs a new PS09:24
acabot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/09:24
acabot#action hvprash add a new PS for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/09:25
acabotmoving to Watcher09:25
acabotAdd strategy template doc needs final reviews09:25
acabotwe need more reviewers on this one09:26
acabot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382494/09:26
dtardivelacabot: I would be nice to get review from strategy developer :)09:26
acabotalexchadin : could you review the template ?09:26
alexchadin_acabot: Yes, I'll take it09:26
vincentfrancoiseacabot: we should get it done for the summit09:27
acabot#action alexchadin_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382494/09:27
vincentfrancoiseif possible09:27
acabot+109:27
acabotAdd Audit Scope Handler needs final reviews09:27
acabot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359963/09:28
acabotvincentfrancoise : can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359963/ ?09:28
acabotwatcher versionned objects needs reviews09:29
vincentfrancoiseacabot: yes I will review it09:29
acabot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/watcher-versioned-objects09:29
acabotthis one is pretty big and need reviewers09:29
acabot#action vincentfrancoise review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359963/09:29
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alexchadin_I will try to review it09:30
vincentfrancoisealexchadin_: thx!09:30
acabot#action alexchadin_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/watcher-versioned-objects09:30
acabotlicanwei Yumeng_ : do you want to review it ?09:30
licanweiacabot : yes09:31
acabotthx09:31
acabot#action licanwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/watcher-versioned-objects09:31
acabotGraph cluster model implementation needs a jenkins fix09:31
acabottmetsch : could you ask Kevin to fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362730/ ?09:32
tmetschI'll take care of it09:32
tmetschyes :-)09:32
acabotthx09:32
acabot#action tmetsch  fix jenkins in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362730/09:32
acabotAdded composite unique name constraints needs reviews09:33
acabot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382803/09:33
acabotlicanwei Yumeng_ : very small patch, could you review it ?09:34
Yumeng_yes, please add me to this09:34
licanwei+109:34
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acabot#action Yumeng_ licanwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382803/09:34
acabotMoved Watcher doc plugin outside main package needs reviews09:35
acabot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382411/09:35
acaboteasy one too, good place to give a +1 for stats09:35
acabotAdded Tempest API tests for /scoring_engines needs reviews09:36
acabot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371558/09:36
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dtardivel+109:37
acabot#action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371558/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382411/09:37
acabotWatcher CLI09:37
dtardiveland the other one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382803/09:37
acabotok09:37
acabot#action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382803/09:38
acabotAdd support for Audit Scope needs reviews09:38
acabot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364787/09:38
acabotvincentfrancoise : can you do a final review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364787/ ?09:38
acabot#topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion09:39
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acabot#info our current milestone target is Ocata-1 due November 14th09:39
acabot#link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/ocata-109:39
vincentfrancoiseacabot: yes I will09:39
acabot#action vincentfrancoise review & merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364787/09:40
acabotregarding ocata-1, Define when an action plan is stale/invalid needs a spec09:40
acabot#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/stale-action-plan09:41
acabotlicanwei : did you start working on it ?09:41
licanweiacabot :yes09:41
licanweii'm working on this09:41
acabotok don't hesitate to put it in jenkins and set workflow as -1 to say that it's work in progress09:42
acabotit would be easier for me to track progress09:43
licanweiacabot : ok, tks09:43
acabot#action licanwei submit a spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/stale-action-plan09:43
acabot#topic Open discussions09:43
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acabotnow that we have a template for documenting strategy, we need to add doc for each of them09:44
acabotthe template will be merged soon09:44
acabotwe need to ask each strategy developer to update the doc09:44
dtardivel+109:44
alexchadin_+109:44
acabotalexchadin_ : can you do it by next week ?09:44
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alexchadin_I will09:44
acabot#link https://github.com/openstack/watcher/tree/master/watcher/decision_engine/strategy/strategies09:45
alexchadin_I'm working on planner storage spec now, but try to find a time to look at it09:45
acabot#action alexchadin_ add doc for workload stabilization strategy based on the template09:45
dtardivelyou will found an example with basic_consolidation doc pushed in the PS as well09:45
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acabotjunjie who has worked on outlet_temp_control strategy has left the project, anyone here wants to update the doc ?09:46
acabotI will send a mail to Vojtech to update vm_workload_consolidation doc09:47
acabot#action acabot ask vojtech to update his strategy doc09:47
acabot#action gzhai update doc for outlet_temp & uniform_airflow strategies using the template in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382494/09:48
acabotany other topic to discuss ?09:49
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acabotso thank you all09:50
dtardivelthx acabot09:50
acabothave a good day / night09:50
vincentfrancoisebye :)09:50
alexchadinbye!09:50
dtardivelbye09:50
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acabot#endmeeting09:50
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alex_xu#startmeeting nova api13:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 12 13:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
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alex_xuwho is here today13:00
edleafe\o13:00
gmann_hi13:00
cdenthi13:00
Kevin_Zhengo/13:00
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alex_xulet us wait two more minutes13:01
sdagueo/13:02
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alex_xusdague: johnthetubaguy cool13:02
alex_xulet us start the meeting13:02
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alex_xu#topic Summit ideas13:02
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alex_xuso..let us talk about summit ideas first13:03
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alex_xu#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-summit-api13:03
alex_xu^ this is the etherpad for summit api session13:03
alex_xu#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova_api_ocata_ideas13:03
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alex_xu^ and I wrote down few things in another etherpad13:04
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mriedemfixing the sort/filter keys for listing servers is going to be a priority for ocata b/c of multi cells13:05
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mriedemwe had a bug for that13:05
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* mriedem looks it up13:05
sdaguethat is mostly about being strict on allowed keys, right?13:05
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mriedemyeah13:05
mriedemso not instance.info_cache13:05
sdagueright13:05
alex_xusdague: yes13:06
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mriedemhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/160903913:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1609039 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Should not be able to sort instances based on joined tables" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Zhenyu Zheng (zhengzhenyu)13:06
alex_xuand there is bug fix from Kevin_Zheng https://review.openstack.org/35913413:06
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alex_xumriedem: yea, also that one13:06
sdaguethere is a piece of infrastructure that is needed with is a jsonschema equivalent for parameters13:06
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johnthetubaguyyeah, would be good to finish off parameter validation13:07
sdagueI would start with generic parameter validation module, and then use that to apply to sort keys13:07
alex_xusdague: so we should merge the bug fix from Kevin_Zheng first, then use micorversion to strict the allowed keys?13:08
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johnthetubaguysdague: you are right, we should add layer of validation, like we have for the body13:08
sdaguealex_xu: maybe... honestly it would be nice to have the validation layer to handle it all13:09
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alex_xusdague: ok13:09
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/359134/15/nova/api/openstack/compute/servers.py looks hard to maintain to me13:09
sdaguejsonschema has been really useful to ensure we are only working with good known data13:09
mriedemi.e. easy to miss something and regress13:09
sdaguemriedem: yes, agreed13:09
alex_xumriedem: agreed also13:09
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mriedemi always envisioned the fix would involve some sqlalchemy magic on the instances table to get the list of columns that excludes joined tables13:10
gmann_sdague: we will be having some json schema for all allowed query param and validate that in generic infra?13:10
sdagueplus, sorting by ephemeral_gb is going to be a DOS attack on large environments. Really nothing should be in the sort list that doesn't have an index13:10
sdaguegmann_: something like that13:11
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gmann_k13:11
sdaguemriedem: so, actually, I would push against magic13:11
sdagueI do think we're talking about large defined listed13:11
johnthetubaguyI like how jsonscheme dropped a whole load of brittle code13:11
johnthetubaguyyeah, a defined list seems safest at this point13:11
sdaguewe're going to say that sort_keys is a enum, and here are the values13:12
mriedemyeah i'm fine with that13:12
sdagueand this validation layer should return consistent error messages back to the user as well13:12
gmann_that sounds nice13:12
sdaguelike jsonschema13:12
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mriedemif we restrict to only columns that are indexed, i'd want to get agreement on that from the ops people first13:13
sdagueok... so who can champion this and draft up a spec?13:13
mriedemsince we don't know what they are using13:13
johnthetubaguythere is the obvious follow task of validating all the parameters, feels like a good idea really.13:13
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sdaguemriedem: sure... honestly, we could make the first pass, which applies retroactively, be the "not completely dangerous list"13:13
sdagueand then do as alex_xu said and mv in a stricter list13:14
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alex_xui can help on if nobody raise hand13:14
mriedemi don't know the jsonschema plumbing well enough13:15
mriedemto add a layer for that13:15
johnthetubaguyalex_xu: I was of a similar view, i could help. Its important hardening13:15
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alex_xujohnthetubaguy: cool13:16
sdaguealex_xu: great, can you have a spec by next week?13:16
alex_xusdague: yea, I can13:16
sdague#action alex_xu to write first draft of spec on parameter validation for next week13:16
sdaguealex_xu: great, thanks13:17
gmann_alex_xu: sdague may be validation can be done with some overridden jsonscham validator like we do for some specific elements like UUID format etc ?13:17
alex_xusdague: np13:17
gmann_and pass whatever we get in query13:17
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sdaguegmann_: maybe. It might be based on something else as well. We'll let alex_xu run with it and provide the options.13:18
gmann_yea.13:18
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alex_xugmann_: yea, I will try that idea13:18
gmann_sdague: alex_xu: sure, thanks13:18
mriedemi also added https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1567655 to the idea etherpad13:19
openstackLaunchpad bug 1567655 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "500 error when trying to list instances and neutron-server is down" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Prateek Arora (parora)13:19
mriedemabout caching instance.security_groups13:19
mriedemso we don't roundtrip to neutron for every instance when listing instances13:19
mriedemit's always been a performance problem, but with TLS in the gate now we're also seeing connection failures due to that13:19
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mriedemit's less of a REST API thing though, so not sure if it fits into this list13:20
johnthetubaguyI have this bit up for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382414/13:20
mriedemi need to review that today13:21
johnthetubaguyto stop us having to cache13:21
mriedemyou're just not going to show sec groups on a server GET?13:21
mriedem"server response, no longer includes security_groups"13:21
mriedemyeah13:21
mriedemyou could provide a link to the API to list them for a given server13:21
mriedemthat's what i was going to do13:21
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johnthetubaguyI don't like those links13:23
gmann_mriedem: but it might be little bit dangerous to cashing sec grp13:23
johnthetubaguyreally, if you want port_uuid info, go list the port13:23
gmann_or show something "Not Available" etc13:23
johnthetubaguyI guess we could add a link to the port, but I duno if its worth all the bother13:23
mriedemi need to read the spec in detail and tinker with the neutron apis13:24
johnthetubaguygmann_: we cache almost everything else like floating ip, and they can get out of sync13:24
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johnthetubaguymriedem: sounds good13:24
mriedemwas just going to say that ^13:24
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johnthetubaguyI would like us to stop caching anything, because we don't really need it anymore13:25
johnthetubaguybut that is an *extreme* view13:25
gmann_but in case of neutron server down, it does not sounds perfect13:25
johnthetubaguyand requires lots of re-work in the metadata server proxy13:25
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: what do you mean we do'nt need it anymore?13:27
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johnthetubaguymriedem: wondering if we can stop caching all that neutron data, as its dropping out of the APIs we want folks to use, it becomes less and less important13:27
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: was the nw info_cache only added b/c of the REST API usage?13:28
mriedemnova-compute relies on it13:28
johnthetubaguybut normally we would have fetched it for the specific operation we are doing, like creating config drive13:28
johnthetubaguythere is a lot of polling and chatter to keep it fresh, it might be more efficient to not cache, it13:29
johnthetubaguybut thats a distraction13:29
johnthetubaguyI need to do more research first13:29
sdagueyeh, I was going to say, that seems like a big rabbit hole13:29
sdagueand it's a short cycle13:29
johnthetubaguyyeah, its a massive one, its not this cycle13:29
sdagueso focus on things like sane security groups, which will expose some of these other things13:30
johnthetubaguyI was looking at optimizing fetching things from neutron quickly, and it made me wonder why we bothered with all that stuff13:30
johnthetubaguyyeah, focus on secuirty group tidy up makes total sense to me13:30
johnthetubaguyjust before we add loads more caching for an edge case, we might want to look a bit deeper there13:31
sdagueyeh13:31
gmann_true13:31
mriedemi'm not sure what 'expose bdm' is in the etherpad13:31
mriedemwhat's the use case for that?13:31
johnthetubaguyI attempted to add detail, I don't remember why that came up now13:32
mriedemi think it was because of the diagnostics API discussion right?13:32
mriedemabout disk id or something13:32
johnthetubaguyit might have been tidying up the volume APIs, and tags, but I don't remember why13:32
alex_xumriedem: yes13:32
johnthetubaguyseems like we need a spec drafting on that, a short one, by whoever remembers13:32
alex_xuwe probably said expose bdm is right thing13:32
johnthetubaguymaybe I could trade you alex_xu for that parameter validation one?13:33
mriedemok i still don't get the use case13:33
mriedembut i guess if someone wants to write a spec13:33
johnthetubaguyI don't remember the use case, appart from remember it seemed like a good solution to something13:33
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: you want to write the spec for parameter validation one? it is ok for me13:34
sdagueyeh, I'd say make the progress on the others first.13:34
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alex_xuyea, sounds like it is a thing people want to clearly13:34
alex_xus/it is/it isn't/...13:34
sdaguethe bdm one probably needs a real champion that needs that info, and that doesn't seem to exist right now, so I'd back burner it13:34
johnthetubaguyyeah, as you reminded us before, its a short cycle13:35
johnthetubaguyalex_xu: I think its best you keep that parameter one if you still have the time13:35
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alex_xujohnthetubaguy: ok, looks like I have the time13:36
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mriedemthere will be a xp session on capabilities discovery,13:37
mriedemthat's why we don't have one called out specifically in the nova track13:37
mriedembut it might be part of the api session, to follow up from the xp session13:37
johnthetubaguyyeah, we said alaski would get a slot to report back13:37
mriedemand figure out nova-specific details and assigning people to do the work13:37
johnthetubaguyI added a bit in that session etherpad for that13:37
mriedemcool13:38
mriedemi know there are some paging specs floating around that didn't make newton either13:38
mriedemso really, i feel like we're already overcomitted on api13:38
mriedemand would like to hunker down on what's already on our plate13:38
johnthetubaguythe tidying up loose ends list looks quite a good thing to focus on13:39
cdentmriedem: I think it is probably fair to say we're overcommitted everywhere13:39
mriedemcdent: we don't need to do that though13:39
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johnthetubaguydid the paging ones get code up?13:41
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/APIImpact+status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs13:41
mriedemnot sure,13:41
mriedemthe instance actions one got caught up13:42
mriedemthere was a ML thread on that, i think on the marker to use13:42
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mriedemanother fairly obvious one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366469/ tag a server on boot13:42
sdaguemriedem: +2, that should just move forward I think13:43
johnthetubaguyyeah, true, feels a bit odd we don't have that one13:43
mriedemtakashi also brought up some things at the midcycle13:43
mriedemlike https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334725/13:43
mriedembasically i think they were things we allow in the live migration api, but didn't in the cold migration api13:43
mriedemlike passing hosts13:43
mriedemand we said at the midcycle we were ok with doing them13:44
mriedemyeah https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334286/13:44
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mriedemanyway i'll throw that random stuff into the ideas etherpad13:44
alex_xumriedem: cool13:45
johnthetubaguyshould that not be one spec, in a single microversion?13:45
johnthetubaguylike made cold migrate do what live-migrate takes for host hints13:46
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johnthetubaguyanyways, an talk about that on the review13:46
johnthetubaguycan13:46
mriedemshrug13:46
mriedemif it makes the single thing overly complex to review so it doesn't get in, then no13:46
johnthetubaguywell seems odd to add the broken version then the fixed version13:46
mriedemfrankly i've been spending a lot of my review time this cycle early on single patch blueprints13:46
mriedemrather than the 20 patch never ending beasts13:47
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alex_xuanything more for summit ideas?13:49
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: sdague hope you can help on to fill the offical api etherpad13:51
sdaguealex_xu: sure13:51
alex_xuthanks13:51
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alex_xuemm...so let us move on?13:52
sdagueyeh13:52
alex_xu#topic API deprecation in Ocata13:52
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johnthetubaguyalex_xu: happy to help with that, added some bits already I believe13:52
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alex_xujohnthetubaguy: cool, thanks a lot13:52
alex_xuthe news from me is image metadata one merged13:52
alex_xuone more I added13:52
alex_xu#link https://review.openstack.org/38426113:53
alex_xuthe security group one, johnthetubaguy submitted, we already talk about that13:53
alex_xuanymore news for proxy api deprecation?13:54
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alex_xujohnthetubaguy: sdague mriedem need your reviwe for the multinic and floatingip actions one13:54
johnthetubaguyyeah, I should look at that one today13:55
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: thanks13:55
alex_xuif no more question, let us jump to open directly13:55
alex_xu#topic open13:55
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alex_xuanything more people want to bring up? 4 mins left...13:56
alex_xuok...I guess no13:56
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alex_xuso let us end the meeting, thanks all!13:57
alex_xu#endmeeting13:57
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gmann_thanks alex_xu13:57
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johnthetubaguythanks, will take a look at that spec now!13:57
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ramishra#startmeeting heat15:01
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ramishra#topic roll call15:01
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therveheya15:02
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spzalahi15:02
ricolino/15:02
zaneb\o15:03
duvarenkovhi15:04
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ramishra#topic adding items to agenda15:04
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ramishra#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-10-12_1500_UTC.2915:05
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ramishra#topic finalize heat summit schedule15:06
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ramishraI've created a draft schedule, not sure if it works for all of us.15:06
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ramishra#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Ocata/Etherpads#Heat15:07
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ramishraI've not yet updated it in Cheddar that would update the summit schedule.15:07
therveramishra, Do we need a session on that maturity stuff?15:08
ramishraThere was only one fishbowl session that did not overlap with magnum and I've used that for the magnum session.15:08
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ramishratherve: zaneb suggested it, if we have something else to discuss.15:09
ramishramay be the translation thing?15:09
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therveMaybe15:10
spzalaramishra: is that in regards to heat translator we have?15:10
thervespzala, Nope15:10
spzalaor something else?15:10
therveTranslation rules for properties15:10
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spzalatherve: OK, thought so but wasn't sure15:11
zanebramishra: can you remind me which of the sessions on that list are fishbowls vs. workrooms?15:11
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ramishrazaneb: the 2 performance related sessions and convergence-2 session are fishbowls15:12
ramishrarest all are WR sessions15:12
zanebthanks15:12
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ramishraI don't know how it overlaps with tripleo sessions15:12
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ramishrasome of us may be interested to attend some tripleo sessions.15:13
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zanebno overlap with fishbowls by the looks of it15:13
zanebfirst two sessions on Friday conflict15:14
ramishraI've kept the important ones (my opinion) on Thrusday;)15:14
ramishraMost of the WR sessions on Friday15:14
zanebramishra: this schedule looks good to me15:15
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zanebsad to be missing the RPC versioning one, but there's nothing I would switch it with15:15
therveHum, not sure we can do it without you though15:16
ramishrayeah I agree.15:17
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ramishratherve, zaneb: do we want to replace the maturity session with translation rules one?15:17
zanebramishra: not sure there's much point if Peter is not going to be there15:18
therveWe can talk about translation during the meetup I guess15:19
ramishrayep15:19
ramishraso should I push this schedule?15:20
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thervesure15:20
ramishraI assume we all agree that this is the best we can have.15:20
therveOr that we can change the subjects anyway :)15:21
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ramishraok, moving on15:21
ramishra#topic stable releases15:22
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ramishra#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105302.html15:22
ramishraIt seems mitaka is moving to phase II and liberty to III support this Friday15:23
ramishraSo wanted to know, if we should have stable releases for them, I can see there are few patches still in the queue.15:23
ramishra#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:stable/mitaka15:23
ramishra#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:stable/liberty15:24
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zanebwe did releases for those pretty recently though, right?15:24
ramishraWe did a release few weeks back though.15:25
ramishrazaneb: yep 4/5 weeks back15:25
duvarenkovSorry, I cant be present at meeting anymore today. Just wanted to draw some attention to patch about caching issue which I added to agenda. So, please share your thoughts about it and review :) I think, it is important one.15:25
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zanebunless there's something critical in there I'd say there's probably no need then15:26
ramishraIf you see the discussion some projects think it's a good idea to have releases when the support phase changes.15:26
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zanebI think the plan was to do more stable releases around o-115:26
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zanebramishra: we've not been super-strict about enforcing the differences between phase 1/2/3 though15:28
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zanebwe should definitely try to get some of those open reviews merged15:28
ramishraok, sounds good, we can just leave it for o-115:29
ramishra#topic discuss caching issue15:29
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therveIf we don't get the liberty one in, we can't release it AFAIU though15:30
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ramishratherve: I assume we can only do security fixes for liberty, right?15:31
therveYeah15:31
ramishraIMO, doing a release does not hurt:)15:32
zanebtherve: ah, because liberty is going to be closed?15:32
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zanebthen yeah, we should merge as many of the liberty patches as we can and release that again15:32
thervezaneb, Well, phase 315:32
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zanebtherve: yeah, I was confused by that. so they don't delete branches any more but allow security patches indefinitely?15:34
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* zaneb must have missed that memo15:34
ramishraI think we've time till Friday to do whatever we want:)15:34
thervezaneb, No, but the deletion is another concern IIRC15:35
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ramishraso, we should merege as many patches for liberty and cut a release and leave mitaka for o-1, is that what we agree on?15:37
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zanebI'd be+1 for that15:38
therve+115:38
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ramishraok, we can move on to the next topic, though duvarenkov has already left15:39
ramishra#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366696/15:39
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therveSo, I don't understand why resource names matter15:40
therveAre they prefixed?15:40
therveAren't15:40
ramishraprefixed with?15:41
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therveStack ID?15:41
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ramishraI don't think so.15:42
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ramishraI think it's just the finder methods (with the arguments)15:42
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ramishraI don't like the idea of resource plugins cleaning the cache.15:43
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ramishraBtw, I'm for getting rid of the finder chache thing completely.15:44
zanebI don't like the idea of this cache existing at all, particularly if there's no invalidation and data routinely leaks between stacks15:44
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ramishra+1, or disabled by default?15:45
zanebI believe it's disable by default already?15:45
therveWell it's disabled, as global caching is disabled15:45
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zanebso that's something15:46
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therveI'm -1 on the current patch though, it's bad15:46
zanebbut honestly, you can't have something like this not used by developers or in the gate and expect it to work (and indeed it apparently doesn't)15:46
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therveIt's used in the gate15:46
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ramishraAt the gate global cahce is enabled.15:47
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* zaneb is not looking forward to debugging that15:48
ramishraI added that cache thing, so I'm to be blamed:(15:49
therveWell you're the PTL, so you're to be blamed for everything15:50
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therve:)15:50
zanebI'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the time ;)15:50
ramishrayeah, including poor attendance in meetings:)15:51
therveHeh15:51
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therveLet's move on, 8mins15:52
ramishrayeah, I added that for the RESOLVE translation thing, though we now do it before CREATE/UPDATE only, that has changed a lot.15:52
ramishrayep15:52
ramishra#topic memory usage15:52
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zaneboh boy15:53
thervezaneb, So it sounds like that update change is more complicated than expected15:53
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thervezaneb, Can you remove it for now?15:53
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zanebtherve: sigh, yes15:53
ramishraprobably update the team on what all we've been doing.15:53
therve#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/162667515:54
therve3 patches in the queue, though one that doesn't work for unknow reasons15:54
therveThe other 2 that improve triple memory usage quite a bit (especially for the output one)15:54
zanebtherve: tbh though, just improving the memory usage on create doesn't really help us though. at some point people will have to update, and if that hoses their undercloud it's just as bad15:54
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thervezaneb, Agreed, although we'll have a new release by then! :)15:55
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therveI haven't tested update yet, but I'm worried for sure15:55
ramishratherve: for the rpc patch for outputs, you've used stack-show, is that for easy backporting?15:56
zanebtherve: there's lots of reasons to do a stack update on the overcloud long before a new release of the undercloud15:56
zanebe.g. scaling up15:56
therveramishra, I don't know another method15:56
thervezaneb, Yeah I know...15:57
ramishraI think adding a argument 'resolve_outputs=False' to list_outputs would have worked too, no?15:57
therveramishra, Yeah that would have15:57
ramishrathough we would not be able to backport it15:57
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zanebso just to confirm... we don't think that Heat has gotten worse post cwolferh's fix, just that TripleO has expanded to the point where they're even worse off than before that?15:58
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therveYeah, and I don' t think it makes a big difference15:58
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thervezaneb, That's my (poor) explanation yes15:58
therveSomeone needs to bisect tht to confirm15:59
zanebI believe stevebaker did that15:59
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ramishrayeah, I had the same impression.15:59
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inc0hey guys...:) can we take over channel?16:00
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ramishrawe still have 2 more mins, right?16:00
therveNo :)16:00
ricolinno16:00
zanebramishra: we can continue in #heat if necessary16:00
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ramishraok, then thanks all.16:00
ramishra#endmeeting heat16:00
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inc0thanks!16:00
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inc0#startmeeting kolla16:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Oct 12 16:01:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
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akwasnieo/16:01
pbourkewoot16:01
Jeffrey4l_0/16:01
egonzalez90o/16:01
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duonghqo/16:01
qwango/16:01
vhosakoto/16:01
berendto/16:01
jascott1o/16:01
hritoo/16:01
coolsvapo/16:01
duonghqno roll call topic?16:01
inc0hold on16:01
inc0#topic rollcall - woot for kolla16:01
sdakeo/16:01
rhalliseylul16:01
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Jeffrey4l_\o/16:01
inc0woot guys plz;)16:01
egonzalez90woot16:01
duonghqwoot16:01
berendtwoot16:01
sdakei do not consent ;)16:02
vhosakot\o/00T16:02
pbourkewoot again16:02
akwasniewoot16:02
Jeffrey4l_woot16:02
rhalliseyvhosakot, nice16:02
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jascott1woot16:02
vhosakot;)16:02
zhubingbing\o/16:02
inc0ok, cores please -2 sdakes changes until he submits to our internal rituals16:02
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sdakeyour pain not mine :)16:02
inc0(kidding ofc, we'll deal with it phusically in summit if he wont)16:03
inc0#topic announcements16:03
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sdakebuy me lots o beers16:03
sdakei'm broke ;)16:03
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inc01. RC2 is tagging today, we need to open stable/newton branch16:03
inc0we will have rc3 due to critical bugs outstanding16:03
inc0it's going to be Oct1816:04
inc02. remind - summit schedule is up for review16:04
inc0any announcements from community>16:04
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inc0guess not16:05
inc0#topic newton release16:05
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inc0sdake, you're up16:05
sdakehttps://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/newton-rc216:05
sdakethe summary there is there are 7 critical bugs that make kolla unusable16:06
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sdakewe have a slew of high bugs which make a particular service have some kind of defect16:06
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wirehead_o/16:06
sdakeon the plus side, we have fixed 66(!) bugs in rc216:06
sdakewe also have a slew of bugs in the "INPROGRESS STATE"16:06
sdakeif there is a bug in INPROGRESS that can be merged, lets get it merged16:06
sdakeafter we tag rc2, only critical bugs will be backported to stable/newton16:07
sdakea few mechanics on the tagging/branching16:07
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sdakerc2 tags today 23:45 UTC -> the release team tags when they get to it16:07
sdakethe branch gets created when the release team gets to it16:07
sdakethey are not slow16:07
sdakebut don't expect a branch immediately when the tag occurs16:07
sdakefor rc3, we are carrying 7 bugs16:08
sdakethese need critical attention16:08
sdakethere are some other bugs in that list that are in triaged16:08
sdakethat are critical16:08
sdakeif someone could get them out of the triaged state, that would be fantastic (by confrming, marking invalid, etc)16:08
sdakei will be carrying over triaged bugs that are critical as well as confirmed bugs16:09
sdakeif they are marked critical - I assume whoever triaged it understands the bug impacts all of kolla16:09
sdakenow, what to do if you have a high severity bug that you think should be critical?16:09
sdakechange it to critical16:09
sdake(before 23:45)16:10
sdakethe workflow seems to be going well from last meeting16:10
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sdakeit would be great if we could finish the job  on those inprogress bugs rather then having to backport them, so i'd suggest fixing those today :)16:10
sdakeor reviewing them16:10
sdakeetc16:10
sdakeif its critical, just assume it will be fixed starting tomorrow16:10
sdakeI need 1 more week out of everyone :)16:11
sdakeand then we have free time for some time :)16:11
sdake(tag is tuesday for rc3)16:11
inc03 days, then summit:)16:11
sdakeshhhh :)16:11
sdakeafter summit - you will have plenty o time to recover :)16:12
sdakeinc0 you wanted a status update on each bug?16:12
sdakerather each critical16:12
inc0yes, let's do this, for critical at least16:12
sdakecool take it away - have to do something rq like :)16:13
inc0#topic critical bugs review16:13
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inc0let's spend few moments to discuss each critical bug16:13
inc0to help fixing it16:13
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inc01 https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/156477316:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1564773 in kolla mitaka "Continously restarting rabbitmq container for CentOS" [Critical,Confirmed]16:13
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inc0hmm, anyone have steps to reproduce this one?16:14
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Jeffrey4l_i followed this bug. but got nothing about it. :(16:15
inc0dug16:15
inc0duh16:15
zhubingbingBug report time is too long.16:16
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inc0yes, but comments are fres16:16
inc0h16:16
inc0so it's still a thing as it seems16:16
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Jeffrey4l_yes. the error message is different too.16:16
duonghqtomorrow I'll try to triaged this bug, today the epel repo is broken for awhile16:16
berendtsean-k-mooney noted it happens on maste, can he support?16:16
sdakepbourke conirmed it16:16
sdakei changed it to critical as a result16:16
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sdakewe need to circle back with pbourke on this issue and see what his defintiion of confirmed is16:17
sdakei'll do tha ttomororw morning16:17
pbourkeone moment I'll check now16:18
sdakeoops ssorry pbourke didn't know you were here16:18
pbourkei confirmed it as there are at least 3 separate people in in the comments saying they see it16:18
pbourkeas well as our own sean-k-mooney16:18
sdakepbourke well sean should know how the software works16:19
sdakecan a core take on confirming this problem16:19
inc0pbourke, can you check with Sean tomorrow to and try to triage it?16:19
pbourkewill do16:19
sdakeand fixing it16:19
inc0thanks16:19
inc0https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/161626816:19
openstackLaunchpad bug 1616268 in kolla mitaka "Stale namespace removal causing "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" errors" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Jeffrey Zhang (jeffrey4l)16:19
inc0Jeffrey4l_, I understand you have theory and you're going to fix it?16:20
sdakepretty sure Jeffrey4l_ is on the money on it16:20
Jeffrey4l_inc0, yes. i am working on it. will push a PS later today.16:20
inc0great16:20
inc0thanks16:20
inc0https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/161733416:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1617334 in kolla "reconfigure action fails on [neutron | Restart the neutron_openvswitch_agent container] " [Critical,Triaged]16:20
sdakethis is marked critical because if reconfigure is busted, thats not good16:21
sdakeits not marked confirmed because it hasn't been confirmed in the bug log16:21
sdakewith several core reviewers trying iirc16:21
sdakei use openvswitch all the time16:21
sdakeand it wfm16:21
sdakeeven reconfigure16:21
berendtsame here16:22
sdakei'm surprised linuxbridge works for htis fellow and not ovs16:22
sdakea good course of action would be eto request more info and mark it incomplete16:22
sdakedetermine what info to request is difficult ...16:22
inc0but it's not triaged as well right?16:23
sdakeits been triaged16:24
sdakeit hasn't been confirmed16:24
sdaketriage = setting milestone and priority16:24
sdakeJeffrey4l_ for htis bug, you requested his inventory file16:24
Jeffrey4l_sdake, yep. but still get nothing idea now.16:25
sdakeJeffrey4l_ so hard for us to mark it incomplete without actually looking at his inventory file16:25
sdakeJeffrey4l_ ok - i've got this one16:25
sdakego ahead and move on inc016:25
inc0nothing too special there16:25
inc0https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/162564816:25
openstackLaunchpad bug 1625648 in kolla "horizon login fails with TLS enabled" [Critical,Triaged]16:25
inc0bjolo promised to try to reproduce16:25
zhubingbingi don't reproduce this bug16:26
inc0let's wait for bjolo16:26
inc0https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/163107216:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1631072 in kolla "iscsid container: mkdir /sys/kernel/config: operation not permitted" [High,Triaged]16:27
sdakeare we going throug hthe high bugs too?16:27
Jeffrey4l_this is a ubuntu bug.16:27
inc0ahh copyfail sorry16:27
inc0https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/162301316:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1623013 in kolla "keystone-fernet: rsync: Failed to exec ssh: No such file or directory (2)" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Christian Berendt (berendt)16:27
sdakethis must be fixed16:28
Jeffrey4l_see #4 and #616:28
sdakeberendt any updates? :)16:28
Jeffrey4l_this is under review i think.16:28
berendti thought Jeffrey4l_ took this one16:28
sdakei see16:28
Jeffrey4l_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36941816:28
sdakewell - seems like whos on first to me  :)16:28
Jeffrey4l_review is welcome ;)16:28
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inc0ok, make this review priority folks please16:29
sdakegroan16:29
sdakeso - one thing i failed to mention in the announcements16:29
sdakethe gate is busted16:29
berendthow to proceed? with or without ssh?16:29
sdakebecause ceph.com is down16:29
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inc0yeah, but we can still review code16:29
inc0without merging it16:29
sdakea really dont want to merge anything complex before rc216:29
sdakeright16:29
sdakeso review away - pls dontmerge anythign that isn't totally obvious :)16:30
Jeffrey4l_we can not other ceph mirror.16:30
jascott1ceph is back i thought16:30
inc0so let's not merge until gates gets up, but review it16:30
Jeffrey4l_we can use other ceph mirror16:30
Jeffrey4l_jascott1, cool.16:30
berendtjascott1 no it is still down16:30
berendtat least on my site16:30
sdakedigitalocean has an outage16:30
sdakeironically enough caused by ceph :)16:31
sdakei think thats the place hosting this16:31
sdakeor maybe it was somewhere else16:31
sdakeanyway - its down for me too16:31
inc0so last bug16:31
inc0https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/163150316:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1631503 in kolla "inconsistent UID in rabbitmq results in inability to upgrade" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Steven Dake (sdake)16:31
jascott1its dreamhost16:31
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sdakejascott1 right thanks16:31
Jeffrey4l_fix is here: https://review.openstack.org/38459816:31
Jeffrey4l_i will update the commit message.16:32
inc0for rabbitmq16:32
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Jeffrey4l_but the fix logical is done.16:32
inc0we need to figure out other affected services16:32
sdakeinc0 anything with a named volume16:32
inc0which is almost everything16:32
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Jeffrey4l_right. so i think we need another bug to describe the detail rather then centos rabbitmq upgrade issue.16:32
inc0Jeffrey4l_, can you make you review partial-bug please?16:33
inc0or that16:33
sdakechange th topic of the bug eff16:33
sdakeJeffrey4l_16:33
sdakeclick yellow button next to bug topic16:33
Jeffrey4l_inc0, np.16:33
Jeffrey4l_sdake, yep. change it to ?16:33
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sdakeJeffrey4l_ make something up? :)16:34
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sdake"upgrades broken because of inconsistent UIDs" should do it16:35
Jeffrey4l_done.16:35
inc0I'd rather not create 10 bugs for each service, but once Jeffreys patch is merged we need to do same thing for all the services16:35
inc0so we can spread work16:35
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inc0let's make sure to use same topic in review16:35
inc0https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/163150316:35
inc0to avoid duplication of work16:36
inc0and reviewers, please keep eye on this link16:36
sdakeinc0 an etherpad would come in handy here i think - to figure out who is doing which part if you intend to spread load16:36
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Jeffrey4l_we need some thing to trick all the container which need fix.  should we use bugs/work items or anything else.16:36
sdake6 days to 3.0.0 - spreading work will be more difficult lI think16:37
Jeffrey4l_sdake, agreed to use etherpad.16:37
inc0well, one person won't handle it all16:37
inc0#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-bug-163150316:37
sdakecool so if spreading work lets use etherpad - Jeffrey4l_ can you link that in the bug so devs ca nfind it16:37
Jeffrey4l_no.16:38
Jeffrey4l_sorry. np.16:38
inc0http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/48/483ef0911f5e27073a015b45aee7a288b9c8d3bfa104f8bfe6625572f97cfa52.jpg sorry, couldn't help myself16:38
Jeffrey4l_it is a typo. ;(16:39
inc0I know, don't worry;)16:39
inc0Jeffrey4l_, I changed topic on your ps to bug/163150316:40
Jeffrey4l_ok.16:40
inc0so between etherpad and this gerrit review queue, let's fix this16:40
Jeffrey4l_should we update the bug?  it do not just fix rabbitmq upgrade in centos now.16:40
sdakeJeffrey4l_ we are doing partial-fix on each component i think16:41
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Jeffrey4l_but the bug title is bad: inconsistent UID in rabbitmq results in inability to upgrade16:41
inc0https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1631503 <= changed name16:41
openstackLaunchpad bug 1631503 in kolla "inconsistent UID in named volume results in inability to upgrade" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Steven Dake (sdake)16:41
sdakeJeffrey4l_ i gave you a title in scrollback to use for bug description16:41
inc0no mention of centos there16:41
Jeffrey4l_actually it is: fix the uid issue during upgrade16:41
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Jeffrey4l_hmm. drop the "rabbitmq" word?16:42
inc0I did:)16:42
Jeffrey4l_cool16:42
inc0replaced it with named voluem16:42
Jeffrey4l_another think is: should we backport this to mitaka?16:43
sdakeone note on this bug16:43
inc0so again:16:43
sdakefolks - the approach ahs been bikeshedded to death16:43
inc0#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/163150316:43
sdakelets just merge the design as is16:43
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inc0this link has to be reviewed, keep an eye on it16:43
sdakeby bikeshed to death - i've played telephone for atleast 8 hours on this specific issue16:44
inc0ok, I think we stressed the importance enough:)16:44
inc0so, we have status update on all critical bugs16:45
inc0let's get them fixed in following week16:45
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inc0anything else to add?16:45
inc0guess not16:45
inc0#topic open discussion16:45
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rhalliseyinc0, can we re order the summit sessions16:46
inc0so one thing, you guys think we need meeting next week?16:46
duonghqdo we have semi-fixed summit sessions?16:46
inc0yeah, let me do it now16:46
sdakeyes meeting next week - last minute summit prep is critical16:46
inc0ok16:46
inc0meeting stays then16:46
zhubingbingAbout Heka we have any good alternative?16:46
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sdakezhubingbing we need an honest evaluation of the alternatives16:47
sdakeof which there are two that I am aware of16:47
duonghqiirc there is solution already use in kolla-k8s?16:48
inc0zhubingbing, I see 3 now, filebeat and fluentd are there, snap is meaning to grow this feature in near future (we should be ok with timing)16:48
sdakesnap sounds like heka 2.0 :)16:48
inc0rhallisey, sdake what were your rescheduling issues? I'm switching osic review with ci16:49
zhubingbing-)16:49
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inc0sdake, yeah, snap is exactly that16:49
rhalliseyinc0, can we move the road map later16:49
inc0heka was cool, until mozilla dropped it16:49
rhalliseyI want to change around a bunch of things16:49
rhalliseydisagree with the current order16:49
rhalliseyI do have some conflicts, but I think the overall order needs to be changed16:49
pbourkeshould look at logstash again also16:49
sdakepbourke logstash-forwarder is EOL bro ;)16:50
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rhalliseyimo16:50
jascott1Mozilla  mention this yesterday failed to get kk8s up due to ceph.com outage so worked on ansible playbooks, reviewed code. Today create cinder ansible commit. Blockers: ceph.com is still down:(16:50
berendtpbourke filebeat.. not logstash16:50
jascott1whoa epic fail16:50
pbourkesdake: you sure?16:50
jascott1https://github.com/trink/hindsight)16:50
sdakepbourke yup look at their repo16:50
duonghqlogstash-forwarder is replaced by Beat iirc16:50
inc0rhallisey, whats wrong with it?;)16:50
duonghqseem promise?16:50
sdakepbourke elastic EOL'ed logstash-forwarder and introduced filebeat instead16:50
Jeffrey4l_inc0, could u check this again https://review.openstack.org/378762  i perfer use the same timezone for all containers.16:51
sdakewhy?  don't know ;)16:51
duonghqsdake: Beats, indeed16:51
rhalliseyinc0, let's get into it after the meeting16:51
pbourkewhats the difference between logstash and logstash forwarder :/16:51
inc0ok rhallisey16:51
sdakelogstash collects logs and sends them to elasticsearch16:51
zhubingbingiirc what's mean ? i don;t know ;)16:52
sdakelogstachforwarder sends logs to logstash (or elasticsearch)16:52
inc0Jeffrey4l_, ok, I just wanted more context16:52
sdakewe don't need logstash itself16:52
duonghqpbourke: Elastic introdue Beats as protocol for log shipping purpose16:52
jascott1is mozilla's own recommeded replacement not suitable? https://github.com/trink/hindsight16:52
Jeffrey4l_what happen to logstash? isn't it widely used?16:52
sdakejascott1 we need an honest eval of the different solutions16:53
sdakerather then picking one randomly :)16:53
pbourkejascott1: i would think twice before using something from mozilla again16:53
jascott1oh sure but no one had mentioned it. got it.16:53
Jeffrey4l_we'd better talk the alternative after the summit ;)16:53
wirehead_heh16:53
berendtlogstash-forwarder was replaced by filebeat16:53
inc0well, it's a 4th option to look at sdake16:53
berendtlogstash is not deprecated16:53
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jascott1logstash is 300M JVM iirc16:53
duonghqsdake: is there some criterial for evaluate logging engine?16:53
wirehead_Filebeat is a tiny little go app.16:54
inc0it has to do what heka is doing today and not deprecated;)16:54
sdakeduonghq not that i know of - an action item16:54
duonghqya16:54
wirehead_(Logstash-forwarder was also pretty cute and tiny)16:54
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inc0if it meets these 2 simple criteria - pick up best one16:54
sdakewirehead_ minus the java jvm part...16:54
sdakeit should also be effecient - 3rd criteria16:54
wirehead_You don’t need the Logstash engine actually running unless you are mediating queues and stuff, filebeat can go straight to elasticsearch16:55
sdake25% of our cpu consumption on controller nodes is the logging stack16:55
wirehead_Naw, logstash-forwarder is also a go app16:55
sdakeguess its time to learn go :)16:55
duonghqagreed with sdake16:56
sdakei was making a joke16:56
sdakebut ok :)16:56
wirehead_<best Marvin the paranoid android voice> It’s awful </best Marvin the paranoid android voice>16:56
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wirehead_I mean, Logstash / Filebeat / ElasticSearch is sufficently popular that there has to be a clear migration off of it if something changes.16:56
duonghqabout summit sessions, have we fixed topic about kolla-k8s?16:56
inc0duonghq, 2 sessions for kolla-k8s16:57
sdakeduonghq the schedule is in #opnestack-kolla topic16:57
inc0roadmap and arch16:57
rhalliseyduonghq, ya there are 216:57
inc0anwyay, we're running out of time16:57
duonghqokay16:57
inc0let's move to our normal channel please16:57
inc0unless there are last comments to make?:)16:57
zhubingbingbye;)16:57
duonghqthank you all16:58
inc0ok, thank you guys! see you in summit I hope!16:58
Jeffrey4l_hey guys.16:58
inc0#endmeeting kolla16:58
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