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| zenirc | hai is there a meeting today? | 12:15 |
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| zenirc | is there a meeting today for "operators_ops_tools_monitoring" | 12:16 |
| zenirc | ? | 12:16 |
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| rosmaita | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 3 14:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| sigmavirus | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | abhishekk: have you filed a bug for the "community goal" yet (remove incubated oslo code), or would you like me to do that? | 14:01 |
| stevelle | o/ | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | i am going to file that tomorrow | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | I am working on the patch now | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita: is it ok? | 14:02 |
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| alex_bash | o/ | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: ok ... i think i will file it today and send you the bug # | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | or will it be easier if you do it? | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita: thank you, that way is also good | 14:03 |
| hemanthm|away | o/ | 14:03 |
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| rosmaita | #action rosmaita to file "community goals" bug for glance | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | hello everyone | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | kind of light turnout today | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | but high-quality! | 14:03 |
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| rosmaita | bunch of stuff on the agenda but it should go fairly quickly | 14:04 |
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| rosmaita | #topic updates | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:05 | |
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| rosmaita | ok, we discussed the priorities at the summit | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-glance-prioritization-and-roadmap | 14:05 |
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| rosmaita | i think thre are no surprises on there | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | as far as #3 goes, Rolling Upgrades + Zero Downtime DB Migrations | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | hemanthm and alex_bash will present a virtual design summit next friday (11 November) | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | time and communication protocol to be determined | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | look for an announcement on the ML within the next few days | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | i've said this before, but the point of the virtual design summit session | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | is to make sure all glance active contributors and cores are on board with the plan | 14:08 |
| Jokke_ | o/ | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | which is to switch from sqlalchemy-migrate to alembic for DB migrations | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | and to use db triggers to handle complicate data migrations with zero downtime | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | the other update is the timeline for Ocata development | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 14:09 |
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| rosmaita | For Glance, there's a spec proposal freeze and then a spec freeze two weeks later | 14:10 |
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| rosmaita | times and dates are on that page | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | (i'm not typing them in here in case i make a typo) | 14:10 |
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| rosmaita | there's some more fine-grained info on the etherpad | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-glance-prioritization-and-roadmap | 14:11 |
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| rosmaita | the key thing right now is that Ocata-1 milestone is week of Nov 14 | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | i'd really like to see community images merged by then | 14:11 |
| stevelle | nice etherpad there btw | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | ty | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | ok, i think that's all the updates, any questions? | 14:12 |
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| rosmaita | (i am trying to wait 1 minute before proceeding) | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | #topic draft logo of glance mascot | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "draft logo of glance mascot (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:14 | |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/106235.html | 14:14 |
| Jokke_ | I think we need to push back on this | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | i thought you'd say that | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/attachments/20161021/2048ba97/attachment.jpeg | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | that link is more to the point | 14:14 |
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| Jokke_ | I don't see our key requirement as in the nuts being taking into an account :P | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | exactly | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | also, i showed it around and the feedback i got was "why do you have a squirrel as your logo?" | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | so it's not "obviously" a chipmunk | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | (and i'm not sure the text "chipmunk" is part of the logo) | 14:16 |
| Jokke_ | tbh, looking the outcome and the time it took to get there, I kind of feel like they didn't want to even think the original feedback given when this project was started | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | did you watch that video? | 14:16 |
| Jokke_ | no I did not | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | it started with the original picture we had of the chipmunk | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | with mouth stuffed with nuts | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | and then morphed into what we have here | 14:16 |
| Jokke_ | but yes, it does look more of an squirrel and we're missing the key point on it | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | it's like 1/2 second of the video, about 70% through | 14:16 |
| Jokke_ | ah it was actually us specific video | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | oh, didn't realize that | 14:17 |
| Jokke_ | I need to look that ... I thought it was the general marketing video of these logos and skipped it | 14:17 |
| hemanthm | it was a general video I think | 14:17 |
| Jokke_ | ah | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | for anyone who didn't watch it, the video is extremely short and actually kind of interesting | 14:17 |
| Jokke_ | ok, cool | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | #link https://youtu.be/JmMTCWyY8Y4 | 14:18 |
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| Jokke_ | still even they provided nice video, lets use the feedback and push back on that logo | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | but, that brings us back to the main point ... do we as a community want to provide feedback | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | i am ok with doing that (even though i voted for the saber-tooth tiger) | 14:18 |
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| rosmaita | (which woudl not be mistaken for a squirrel) | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | should i take a vote to get a sense of the community on this, or does everyone agree with Erno? | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | the issue, for those joining us late, is that we specifically asked for a chipmunk whose mouth was stuffed with nuts | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | to illustrate the chock-full goodness of a glance image store | 14:20 |
| stevelle | I gave feedback already that per the msg to the list (it looked too much like one of the other logos seen in the video) | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: you used the feedback form? | 14:20 |
| stevelle | yes | 14:21 |
| Jokke_ | https://youtu.be/JmMTCWyY8Y4?t=41 for the inpatient | 14:21 |
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| rosmaita | Jokke_: ty! | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | OK, how's this: i will convey official feedback from the community that we'd appreciate a re-draft, and also individual glancers should provide feedback on the form | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: ty | 14:22 |
| Jokke_ | rosmaita: ++ | 14:22 |
| stevelle | and tipping my hat to Jokke_ I mentioned "squirrel" as well | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita respectfully ask logo mavens for a re-draft per out spec | 14:22 |
| * sigmavirus will also provide feedback | 14:22 | |
| rosmaita | #action everyone provide feedback on form http://tinyurl.com/OSmascot | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus | I don't care as much, but I don't want to be confused for another project | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus: ++ | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | ok, moving along | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | #topic retain or delete setup/teardown that don't do anything other than call the superclass setup/teardown? | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "retain or delete setup/teardown that don't do anything other than call the superclass setup/teardown? (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:23 | |
| rosmaita | this came up on a recent patch, and i would like some feedback | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372934/ | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | i guess the issue is explained on the patch | 14:24 |
| sigmavirus | So, this can **marginally** improve test times because we're reducing one item from the stack when setup/teardown are called | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i figured it would be pretty marginal | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus | It's also nice to have a patch that's *just* deletions | 14:25 |
| stevelle | hah | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus | I'm also not convinced that keeping them will have any benefit | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus | I'm just miffed about all these patches that take attention away from priorities and provide little real benefit to the project, community, or users | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | i guess i'm bringing this up because they've always been there, and i wanted to make sure there was no reason to keep them | 14:26 |
| sigmavirus | So take that as a "I have no clue what to do here because by merging these we encourage them and by ignoring them we're ignoring some tiny technical debt" | 14:26 |
| Jokke_ | sigmavirus: ++ | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus: i share your miffed-ness | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | and i agree with Jokke_ , sigmavirus has summed up the issue nicely | 14:27 |
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| rosmaita | actually, i guess this is related to the next item, too | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | but i should probably stay focused on this | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | for another minute anyway | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | my feeling is that on balance, it's better to leave them than remove them | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | but it's not an evidence-based feeling | 14:28 |
| Jokke_ | so this kind of belongs to that category Fei Long pointed out as "just merge it" with single type corrections in the docs ... if correct that they are indeed not needed. And well the proposed change did not change anything else than the tests and did not break the tests which indicates it might well be correct assesment | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | what i'm thinking is that having the stubs there may be helpful for people writing new tests, may save them some developer time | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | which is more expensive than VM cycles | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus | rosmaita: that's not convincing to me honestly | 14:29 |
| stevelle | from a test framework pov it is a correct / harmless change. from value to other developers, rosmaita has a point. I'm conflicted | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus | "Someone might be able to just add to these methods in the future" is not convicing | 14:29 |
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| sigmavirus | That someone can also just add these methods back where necessary | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus | On the whole, I'm -1 on effect-less changes though | 14:30 |
| Jokke_ | But I do have gut feeling issue with these certain entities proposing such blanket changes across the projects without ever having a plan to participate furter or be integrated part of the community and become very pestering if you don't approve their patches | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus | And in reality, this change has no effect | 14:30 |
| stevelle | I would default towards allow it, as Jokke_ suggested. | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus: well, key thing is that these stubs pass tests, if you have to make up new ones, you may have a typo, etc, and waste time fixing | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | but, i am willing to let the deletion go through if the community is cool with that | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus | rosmaita: I make typos writing tests for other projects using setup/teardown and it takes me ... not very long to fix it | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus | I'm leaning more towards, not accepting this though so it doesn't matter ;) | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus | I'm just not convinced by that argument is all | 14:31 |
| Jokke_ | the only benefit I see keeping them at this point is consistency | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus | Put it like this, testtools yells at you if you don't call super in setup/teardown | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus | so that's an easy to debug thing | 14:32 |
| alex_bash | +1 allow removal (cleaner, simpler, easier to read code) | 14:32 |
| Jokke_ | if we need them somewhere and potentially need them in future, lets be consistent and have them across | 14:32 |
| sigmavirus | alex_bash: I don't see it as being easier or harder to read with or without them | 14:33 |
| Jokke_ | we have always valued consistency over debatable "better" solution | 14:33 |
| alex_bash | less code on the page ==> easier to read | 14:33 |
| Jokke_ | alex_bash: that's very much untrue | 14:34 |
| Jokke_ | alex_bash: I can point you to some of very compact perl stuff if you need to be convinced :P | 14:34 |
| sigmavirus | Jokke_++ | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | ok, don't want to spend too much time on this | 14:34 |
| sigmavirus | Jokke_: I can do the same with python | 14:34 |
| stevelle | when perl is invoked I think we lost the thread | 14:34 |
| Jokke_ | ;) | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | how about, anyone interested, please leave a comment on the patch before 16:00 tomorrow | 14:35 |
| * alex_bash prefaces previous statement with: "in this particular case" | 14:35 | |
| rosmaita | #action anyone interested, please leave a comment on the patch before 16:00 tomorrow | 14:35 |
| Jokke_ | so in summary on my thoughts, I have hard time seeing the benefit of these changes specially when it will cause inconsistency | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | i think that's a good point, but that's just me | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | ok, moving on to a similar topic | 14:36 |
| hemanthm | Jokke_: +1 | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | #topic strategy for handling the recent influx of typographical error fixes | 14:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "strategy for handling the recent influx of typographical error fixes (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:36 | |
| rosmaita | ok i have some links on the etherpad | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391388/ | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | i -2'd this one, everyone else feel free to do same | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | no point fixing misspellings in comments unless they materially affect what's being stated | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | like a typo in a RFC number or something | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391388/ | 14:38 |
| hemanthm | rosmaita: there is nothing wrong in fixing typos but if someone wants to fix typos they better fix all the typos instead of submitting a patch for each occurrence | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | this one, i'm inclined to reject, too | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | hemanthm: i'll address that in a minute | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | someone misspelled 'eventlet' as part of a test name | 14:39 |
| hemanthm | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393245/ | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i don't see the point of messing with it, but it's not as obvious to me for some reason as the previous case | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | hemanthm: ty | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | just wondering if anyone had a strong opinion? | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | basically, i'd like us to be able to -2 wihtout even thinking about these | 14:40 |
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| rosmaita | i'll update the "disallowed code changes" to reflect these | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | ok, the other case, is similar to what hemanthm mentioned | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390566/ | 14:41 |
| Jokke_ | so I totally agree with not fooling around on the in-code comments (not docstrings as they are used for public documentations) | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | Jokke_: good point aobu the docstrings | 14:42 |
| Jokke_ | the one hemanth mentioned is quite a bit more visible and I wouldn't mind changing that | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | yeah, so the change is "Openstack" should be "OpenStack" | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | we discussed this at the summit | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | in the past, people (i.e., us) have been good aobut pointing out that there were "Openstack" occurrences that the change missed | 14:43 |
| Jokke_ | also we need to remember that the one thing these changes really mess up is git blame ... you try to see what was the context of the comment in the code and there is multiple change IDs involved | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | Jokke_: another good point | 14:43 |
| hemanthm | ++ Jokke_ | 14:43 |
| Jokke_ | that really really winds me up way more than a typo in the comment itself | 14:43 |
| Jokke_ | as now I need to see why that comment was changed | 14:43 |
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| rosmaita | #action rosmaita update unacceptable changes doc including Jokke_ 's comments above | 14:44 |
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| rosmaita | ok, but back to the trivial typos | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | we agreed at the summit, that we should just +2A these | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | (trivial typos in user-facing stuff, i mean) | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | don't even bother to grep to see if they hit them all | 14:45 |
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| rosmaita | it's too much of a waste of time | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | sure, some people will do 10 patches instead of 1 | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | but as long as the patch is correct, just ninja-approve it | 14:46 |
| sigmavirus | We should document that | 14:46 |
| sigmavirus | (Not just in a meeting) | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | so ... that's the proposed strategy, any commments? | 14:46 |
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| Jokke_ | rosmaita: so that was documentation only IIRC | 14:46 |
| Jokke_ | ? | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus: yes, i will document, though i don't want to put it on the ML, because i don't want to encourage people to do this | 14:47 |
| Jokke_ | rosmaita: ++ | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | Jokke_: that's a good point, the +2A is doc-only changes | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | anything touching code should go through the normal 2 +2s | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | though, typos in comments will be immediately -2d | 14:48 |
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| rosmaita | tell you what, i better write this up as a patch, and we can comment on the patch to make sure everythign is clear | 14:48 |
| Jokke_ | sounds good | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | ok, so this discussion is basically notice that a patch is on the way | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | #topic python-glanceclient passing a request-id | 14:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python-glanceclient passing a request-id (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:49 | |
| rosmaita | meetingbot? | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | hmmm | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | hi, this is based on cross-project specs and I have created lite-specs https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1525259 | 14:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1525259 in Glance "Add request_ids attribute to v2 schemas" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Abhishek Kekane (abhishek-kekane) | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | ok, this is abhishekk has had a spec-lite up for this since the days when we did spec lites as bugs | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | and i just noticed that the bug name is misleading | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | we have one scenario here, update api has 3 internal calls 1. get image, 2. patch and 3. get updated image | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | for this purpose I have implemented like request-id of patch call will be passed to next get call so that we can have identical request-ids | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita: I will update the name | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: ty! | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | so I want opinions of glance cores on this approach | 14:53 |
| Jokke_ | abhishekk: thanks for looking out ofr these corner cases and bringing them up | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | basically, abhishekk and colleagues figured out a way to do this without changing the schema | 14:53 |
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| rosmaita | here's the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352892/ | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita: we have used wrapt module in python-novaclient as well | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: thanks, I have got your help in addressing this | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | the approach looks good to me, would be good to have some more core opinions though | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: any other comments? | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita: no, thank you | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:56 | |
| abhishekk | abhishekk: early feedback will help us to get this in | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | we only have 3 min left, but there's no searchlight meeting today, so we have a bit more time | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | meetingbot is slow to change topics today | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | anyone have anything to discuss? | 14:57 |
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| alex_bash | Here's the doodle poll for next Friday's virtual design session/demo of rolling upgrades: http://doodle.com/poll/tybifi4qyk8stbgz | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | alex_bash: ty | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | #action everyone look at poll to select session time: http://doodle.com/poll/tybifi4qyk8stbgz | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | #link http://doodle.com/poll/tybifi4qyk8stbgz | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | anything else? | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | ok, there's always #openstack-glance for discussion | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | thanks everyone! | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 3 14:59:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-11-03-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-11-03-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
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| Jokke_ | thanks! | 15:00 |
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| qwebirc78377 | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 15:18 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 3 15:18:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is qwebirc78377. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:18 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:18 |
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| mhayden | #startmeeting openstack_ansible_meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | mhayden: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:00 |
| mhayden | oh wait, there's one still running | 16:00 |
| adreznec | Uh oh | 16:00 |
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| mhayden | :| | 16:01 |
| mhayden | anyone know how we can end that previous meeting? | 16:01 |
| stevelle | which meeting is running? | 16:01 |
| mhayden | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
| mhayden | stevelle: looks like operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 16:01 |
| adreznec | Hmm | 16:02 |
| mhayden | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
| stevelle | chair: Joseph Bajin (RaginBajin) | 16:02 |
| adreznec | [10:18:47] <qwebirc78377>#startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 16:03 |
| adreznec | Was who started it | 16:03 |
| RaginBajin | That wasn't me. | 16:03 |
| adreznec | According to my backscroll | 16:03 |
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| RaginBajin | #endmeeting | 16:03 |
| adreznec | Not seeing him in IRC thugh... | 16:04 |
| adreznec | *though | 16:04 |
| mhayden | can someone in infra stop it perhaps? | 16:04 |
| RaginBajin | Seems like the bot may be broken | 16:04 |
| RaginBajin | I think qwebirc78377 is an IRC web client. | 16:04 |
| RaginBajin | I can't even stop the meeting. | 16:04 |
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| qwebirc78377 | #endmeeting | 16:04 |
| RaginBajin | and I chair it | 16:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 3 16:04:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-11-03-15.18.html | 16:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-11-03-15.18.txt | 16:04 |
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| mhayden | HAHAHA | 16:04 |
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| mhayden | #startmeeting openstack_ansible_meeting | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 3 16:04:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mhayden. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:04 |
| adreznec | Ah | 16:04 |
| adreznec | Nice | 16:04 |
| mgariepy | LOL | 16:04 |
| adreznec | That's awesome | 16:04 |
| mhayden | #topic Roll Call | 16:05 |
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| adreznec | o/ | 16:05 |
| mhayden | #agreed stevelle wins the internet for today | 16:05 |
| adreznec | Who? stevelle? You mean qwebirc78377? | 16:05 |
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| logan- | o/ | 16:06 |
| drifterza | o/ | 16:06 |
| jmccrory | o/ | 16:06 |
| admin0 | p/ | 16:06 |
| admin0 | o/ | 16:06 |
| admin0 | :D | 16:07 |
| yolanda | o/ | 16:07 |
| * mhayden woots | 16:07 | |
| admin0 | go go go | 16:07 |
| stevelle | o/ | 16:07 |
| admin0 | give me monitoring .. give me alerting .. give me logging .. | 16:07 |
| mhayden | #topic Review action items | 16:07 |
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| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:07 |
| michaelgugino | o/ | 16:08 |
| mhayden | last week was the summit -- so we're good to go on these AFAICT | 16:08 |
| mhayden | #topic Project Mascot | 16:08 |
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| admin0 | animals ? | 16:09 |
| michaelgugino | I thought the proposed mascot drawing was unoriginal and plain. | 16:09 |
| admin0 | plants ? | 16:09 |
| mhayden | odyssey4me: you want to pretend to be andymccr here since he's out in wine country? | 16:09 |
| * mhayden notes that the meetboot is laggy | 16:09 | |
| mhayden | so has everyone seen it? | 16:09 |
| admin0 | nope | 16:09 |
| palendae | mhayden, Have a link? | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | mhayden can you post the sample somewhere? | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | and perhaps link the survey for it | 16:10 |
| admin0 | still time to draw/submit ideas ? | 16:10 |
| mhayden | http://imgur.com/a/hMRAD | 16:10 |
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| mhayden | survey: http://tinyurl.com/OSmascot | 16:10 |
| mhayden | #link Proposed mascot image: http://imgur.com/wub7aro | 16:10 |
| mhayden | #link Survey for mascot image: http://tinyurl.com/OSmascot | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | TBH I find it a little disappointing too, but I can't really think of any specific suggestions for improvement | 16:11 |
| mhayden | so yeah, i agree on being a little plain | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | admin0 the animal is set, we need to provide feedback on the drawing given | 16:11 |
| mhayden | i was hoping for more of a brownish color | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, some sort of color would be nice | 16:11 |
| admin0 | i was thinking to photoshop and submit more ideas :( | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | I *think* I'd also prefer more of a head-and-shoulders image, rather than just a head | 16:12 |
| adreznec | It's not that it's bad so much as it doesn't really stand out at all | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | admin0 no, this is being done by the foundation | 16:12 |
| admin0 | oh | 16:12 |
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| admin0 | and this is what they came up with :D | 16:12 |
| admin0 | ok | 16:12 |
| michaelgugino | it's plain. The 'artist' phoned it in. They need to create something original IMO, not a vector drawing of what looks like a goat with horns. | 16:12 |
| admin0 | we cannot reject and come up wtih our own alternatives .. .. | 16:13 |
| admin0 | ? | 16:13 |
| * mhayden makes a note to always ask michaelgugino when i need honest feedback :) | 16:13 | |
| odyssey4me | also, the team name is 'OpenStack-Ansible' - I think just 'Ansible' will cause a problem with copyright | 16:13 |
| michaelgugino | ;) | 16:13 |
| palendae | Criticize the work, not the person | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | admin0 the animal was decided in the community meeting, so no - no other animal options | 16:14 |
| admin0 | ok | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | and no - we cannot draw anything ourselves - we have a survey to complete, that's our feedback mechanism | 16:14 |
| admin0 | well, if the animal was decided, (is it a water buffalo btw ) .. ? | 16:14 |
| admin0 | cow ? | 16:14 |
| * stevelle is trying to find the link for the guidelines foundation gave re: mascots and the art | 16:14 | |
| odyssey4me | it quite clearly states 'cape buffalo' at the bottom of the picture | 16:14 |
| admin0 | :D | 16:15 |
| michaelgugino | the buffalo is fine, it's just a really plain and uninspiring graphic, IMO | 16:15 |
| admin0 | sorry .. i was hypnotized by the eyes | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, agreed | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | ok, I suggest that we all complete the survey and move on with the meeting | 16:15 |
| mhayden | sounds good | 16:15 |
| mhayden | survey link is ^^^ | 16:15 |
| stevelle | #link reference discussion for the mascot/logo topic http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099046.html | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | as per palendae's suggestion - keep the criticism constructive and impersonal | 16:15 |
| mhayden | okay, moving right along | 16:16 |
| mhayden | #topic PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 | 16:16 |
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| mhayden | so i'm told this is a gathering of the technical projects | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | I have no idea what andymccr wanted to cover for this. :/ | 16:16 |
| * mhayden looks through andymccr's email once more | 16:16 | |
| stevelle | probably just the reminder to work on finding budget and schedule to go | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | yes, it's basically the new place where the design workshops are held... no fishbowls | 16:17 |
| mhayden | it sounds like andymccr is planning to send some emails soon | 16:17 |
| mhayden | i've heard the limit is 500 people | 16:17 |
| palendae | Huh, the seems a little odd | 16:17 |
| stevelle | heard that, and yes, odd | 16:17 |
| palendae | Then again, only devs | 16:17 |
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| palendae | Or rather,contributors | 16:17 |
| mhayden | i heard the number was small because the Atlanta airport is tiny | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | the 'forum' now happens at the summit, which is where the latest release is discussed with operators once they've had a chance to try it out | 16:18 |
| palendae | mhayden, Not sure if joking | 16:18 |
| * mhayden toots | 16:18 | |
| mhayden | okay, let's move on and catch up with andymccr later | 16:18 |
| mhayden | #topic OPNFV | 16:18 |
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| yolanda | hi | 16:18 |
| * mhayden hands the mic to hwoarang and yolanda | 16:18 | |
| mhayden | hello yolanda! | 16:18 |
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| hwoarang | hello | 16:19 |
| yolanda | so we are considering in using openstack-ansible for some cloud deployments in OPNFV, and wanted to get your feedback | 16:19 |
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| yolanda | in general, we need: support for ubuntu/centos, ha, openvswitch... and ability to contribute | 16:19 |
| hwoarang | and suse :) | 16:19 |
| michaelgugino | we have most of that | 16:19 |
| mhayden | well we do support ubuntu 14.04/16.04, and centos support is coming along | 16:19 |
| yolanda | oh, sorry! | 16:19 |
| admin0 | osa is mostly linuxbridge .? | 16:19 |
| * yolanda says sorry to hwoarang | 16:19 | |
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| mhayden | and we have OVS support | 16:20 |
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| mhayden | we're missing SUSE support though | 16:20 |
| yolanda | will patches for suse be well received? | 16:20 |
| hwoarang | i can take care of suse support it's ok | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | hwoarang yolanda well, we're always happy to accept contributions | 16:20 |
| yolanda | we would like also to deploy from master, not from stable branches | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | suse has been discussed before, although no-one has stepped up to contribute for it | 16:20 |
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| mhayden | centos support is a bit of a best effort thing right now too | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | I would guess that the centos support work will help suse come along | 16:21 |
| yolanda | how does openstack-ansible deals with branches? is there a possibility to just use latest master? | 16:21 |
| hwoarang | yes they are similar in most areas | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | but the patterns are pretty much set now, so it should be relatively straightforward to figure out how to make that go | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | yolanda our master tests against openstack master, and master from some other projects too | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | once we carve out a stable branch, then we fix SHA's and bump them every two weeks | 16:22 |
| yolanda | nice | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | so, briefly, yes - we chase master all the way | 16:22 |
| hwoarang | that's good | 16:23 |
| yolanda | odyssey4me, our idea is to use bifrost to deploy the baremetal servers, then run openstack-ansible on top of it, is that a common workflow? or how are you dealing with baremetal? | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | we specifically don't deal with bare metal, as most deployers have a preferred solution | 16:23 |
| palendae | We have requirements for a host that we deploy on | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | that said, we have an ironic role which can deploy in standalone mode - which is what bifrost is | 16:24 |
| palendae | Up to deployers to meet that | 16:24 |
| palendae | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/install-guide/overview-requirements.html | 16:24 |
| yolanda | odyssey4me, so an ironic role different than bifrost itself? | 16:24 |
| * palendae notes that link doesn't mention CentOS requirements | 16:25 | |
| odyssey4me | palendae yep, CentOS isn't yet done, so that stuff isn't taken care of yet | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | yolanda yes, our ironic role does both standalone and integrated deployment | 16:26 |
| palendae | Figured, fair enough | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | the bifrost team only does a standalone deployment | 16:26 |
| yolanda | yep, we are ok with bifrost but it's worth looking at openstack-ansible role as well | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | they're predominantly focused on TripleO's needs | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | yolanda sure, how you end up implementing your resulting build is really up to you | 16:27 |
| yolanda | our idea is to deploy a basic openstack cloud and then add nfv features on top | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | we obviously just have to manage our scope within reason :) | 16:28 |
| yolanda | so at some point, we'll need to contribute to openstack-ansible with nfv features if we end using it | 16:28 |
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| yolanda | will it that be ok for your side? | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | sure - if you look through the ongoing dragonflow work that's happening, and also the calico/nuage/plumgrid implementations you'll see where the integration points are | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | I doubt there'll be much more than that needed | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | it will depend on the architecture though, and we can help you through it when you get stuck | 16:29 |
| yolanda | hwoarang, do you know more about NFV requirements we could have? | 16:29 |
| hwoarang | hmm | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | sure, we hang out in #openstack-ansible as you know - so just ask in the channel and if anyone can help, they will | 16:30 |
| hwoarang | yolanda: not off the top of my head | 16:30 |
| yolanda | so i think we are ok to start with some POC first | 16:30 |
| yolanda | odyssey4me, so as far as i know, it supports both lxc and baremetal right? | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | yep | 16:31 |
| yolanda | so we can first try virtualized deploy, then switch to baremetal | 16:31 |
| yolanda | odyssey4me, and as it's used in production... i guess everything can be configured so easily, in terms of network settings right? | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | containers on the control plane, bare metal for compute/swift/storage - the control plane containers are optional, but there are some caveats if you take that path | 16:32 |
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| odyssey4me | those are implementation details we can take to the channel | 16:32 |
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| evrardjp | agreed | 16:33 |
| drifterza | can we move on ? | 16:33 |
| yolanda | fine for me | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | yolanda yep, config changes are straightforward - the openstack-ansible-ops repo has a multi-node-aio which deploys a production-like environment in VM's - you may wish to look at that and help work on it to cater to your needs | 16:34 |
| hwoarang | thank you for the info | 16:34 |
| yolanda | thanks! | 16:34 |
| mhayden | thanks for coming by! | 16:34 |
| mhayden | moving right along! | 16:34 |
| mhayden | #topic Release planning & decisions | 16:34 |
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| * mhayden hands the mic to odyssey4me | 16:34 | |
| odyssey4me | hmm, oh yeah - this week is release week | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | so before I push the release request through, are there any glaring bugs which need addressing? | 16:35 |
| stevelle | I have one thing I'd note regarding bumping SHAs on master | 16:35 |
| cloudnull | o/ | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | stevelle yeah? | 16:36 |
| stevelle | bumping SHAs on master will break glance and possibly some other projects because of some upstream stuff | 16:36 |
| palendae | ^ that's generally the case when things are in flux, no? | 16:37 |
| stevelle | I don't have the link handy | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | hmm, that's possibly why the last sha bump attempt didn't work | 16:37 |
| spotz | I'm late don't hate me | 16:37 |
| evrardjp | stevelle: a link would be great | 16:37 |
| palendae | Not that it always willl, but that it certainly can | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | well, the role tests are vaguely stable right now... with this SHA bump I'll look more into why it fails | 16:38 |
| stevelle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1638323 | 16:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1638323 in Ceilometer "gate fails reporting 'No module named vine.five'" [Undecided,Invalid] - Assigned to Hanxi Liu (hanxi-liu) | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | but it might be a good idea to do the bump on the weekend when there are less patches flying around | 16:38 |
| stevelle | there is another bug I can't find ATM that is general, but it's all about Kombu 4.0 | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1638323 | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | for the record :) | 16:39 |
| stevelle | just something to be aware of | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | ok, that's useful - with that info we can do a temporary u-c override | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | thanks stevelle | 16:40 |
| mhayden | anything else on releases? | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | no, I think we're good to continue | 16:40 |
| mhayden | good stuff | 16:40 |
| mhayden | #topic Open floor | 16:40 |
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| mhayden | i proposed a spec for Octavia | 16:41 |
| mhayden | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392205/ | 16:41 |
| mhayden | feedback definitely welcome | 16:41 |
| stevelle | I have a couple things to note | 16:42 |
| stevelle | if there is no discussion following Octavia | 16:42 |
| stevelle | RE: This msg on the dev list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106649.html | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | mhayden will try to take a peek through it asap - I've been a little stuck in the weeds | 16:43 |
| stevelle | we will need to get this review in soon to accommodate it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326748/ | 16:43 |
| mhayden | more fernets! | 16:43 |
| stevelle | but heads-up that the default will switch to fernet | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | well, we've had fernet as the default since kilo :) | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | stevelle: after this patch, we would probably have to change openstack-ansible to properly configure memcached | 16:44 |
| stevelle | yup | 16:44 |
| logan- | so our default implementation is currently fernet without memcache, am I understanding corectly? | 16:44 |
| stevelle | sadly yes | 16:44 |
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| odyssey4me | I might be wrong, but I don't think that's right. | 16:44 |
| stevelle | or at least it isn't set up quite right | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | IIRC we deploy memcache containers, and keystone is configured to use it. | 16:45 |
| stevelle | I poked a little while ago and was having probs with the memcache always generating misses, maybe I had something else going on | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | thanks for the heads-up though - will need to dig into that review | 16:45 |
| stevelle | it might have been resolved | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | odyssey4me: if we use kvs storage to memcache we deploy it | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | sorry for the ping odyssey4me :p | 16:45 |
| logan- | yeah thats good to know. thanks.. good thing to dig into and fix if it is broken | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | For me the review looks good now that the keystone page was updated | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/configuration.html#caching-layer | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | ah https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_keystone/blob/master/defaults/main.yml#L243 | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | yes indeed odyssey4me | 16:46 |
| logan- | candidate for newton bp perhaps? | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | but on top of it | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_keystone/blob/master/meta/main.yml#L45-L47 | 16:47 |
| jmccrory | that's set in integrated deployment though: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/playbooks/inventory/group_vars/keystone_all.yml#L18 | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | odyssey4me: the default is definitely what should be updated in a subsequent commit in openstack-ansible/ | 16:47 |
| jmccrory | think integrated deploy is doing the right thing, it just needs to be the role default also | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | ok, then it seems that this is actually something that needs implementing - and we should add a known issue to stable branches highlighting this and how to configure caching | 16:47 |
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| evrardjp | with proper group vars | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | well first things first, reviewing the first patch would be fine for keystone | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | jmccrory ah, good point | 16:48 |
| logan- | yeah i'm seeing it configured on my mitaka dev cluster http://cdn.pasteraw.com/p3eay0yaewymgk1welyjwn8digseh2b | 16:48 |
| stevelle | sorry, that was what I was talking about ^ thanks jmccrory | 16:48 |
| stevelle | role issue, not integrated | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, so the issue here is that the keystone guys are using the keystone role without the group vars | 16:48 |
| logan- | ah ok | 16:49 |
| evrardjp | jmccrory: are you talking about this? https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/playbooks/inventory/group_vars/all.yml#L74 | 16:49 |
| evrardjp | I am not sure we are doing enough there | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | I'm not a fan of making the role install memcache on the keystone containers by default | 16:49 |
| stevelle | imo it should for functional testing | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp no https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/playbooks/inventory/group_vars/keystone_all.yml#L18 | 16:49 |
| jmccrory | evrardjp : no, linked above. it's a group var | 16:49 |
| evrardjp | odyssey4me: I'm not fan either, but it is recommended by keystone guys, they probably know it best, right? | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | keystone, in an integrated build, is already configured to use the memcache backend properly | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | ok if we have both it's fine | 16:50 |
| spotz | Or just make it a recommended configuration option? | 16:50 |
| logan- | stevelle: unless the functional test fails if memcached is not working whats the value though? like if memcached settings are misconfigured or broken, it will just silently fallback right? | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp no, I think we need to educate them about how we do this and figure out a suitable solution | 16:50 |
| mhayden | #chair odyssey4me mhayden | 16:50 |
| openstack | Current chairs: mhayden odyssey4me | 16:50 |
| mhayden | odyssey4me: i have to depart -- lots of goings on at castle today | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | thanks mhayden | 16:51 |
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| logan- | might be something to target for testing improvements in the role | 16:51 |
| odyssey4me | ah ok mhayden - have a great day ! | 16:51 |
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| odyssey4me | sure, we can take the discussion to the channel and ping them directly to discuss | 16:51 |
| stevelle | agreed. thanks for the attention | 16:51 |
| stevelle | secondly, I have been trying to help in the dynamic inventory area, so I have some reviews up. I am not asking for those to get +A attention yet, but would like anyone interested in inventory to take a few minutes to consider the questions in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-dynamicinventory-plugins and offer feedback or ping to discuss it | 16:51 |
| evrardjp | odyssey4me: if we already have safe defaults in openstack-ansible, I am not sure what's the problem here. | 16:51 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp the issue is one of education and independent role usage - we'll discuss in the channel/review | 16:52 |
| evrardjp | you want to make sure keystone doesn't have memcached by default while possible contributors would definitely prefer it that way? | 16:52 |
| palendae | stevelle, Plan to go through those reviews again today after our discussions | 16:53 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp we'll take it to the channel, stevelle has raised another topic for discussion | 16:53 |
| evrardjp | agreed | 16:54 |
| drifterza | We done ? | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, I think that discussion can happen in the etherpad | 16:57 |
| odyssey4me | anything else stevelle ? | 16:57 |
| odyssey4me | or anyone else? | 16:57 |
| stevelle | no that's all I have. thanks | 16:57 |
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| odyssey4me | ok cool, thanks all | 16:59 |
| odyssey4me | have a great day/eve | 16:59 |
| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 3 16:59:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2016/openstack_ansible_meeting.2016-11-03-16.04.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2016/openstack_ansible_meeting.2016-11-03-16.04.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2016/openstack_ansible_meeting.2016-11-03-16.04.log.html | 16:59 |
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| evrardjp | thanks | 17:00 |
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