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| rosmaita | Courtesy meeting reminder on #openstack-meeting-4: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat, aavraham, alex_bash | 13:58 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 14:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| dharinic | \o | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| sigmavirus | o/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | hello jokke_ , dharinic : you are too quick! | 14:00 |
| alex_bash | \o | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | sigmavirus: what was that command we were using for sub-topics? we haven't met for a week and i completely forgot | 14:01 |
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| sigmavirus | There is no command for subtopics =) | 14:02 |
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| sigmavirus | I just tend to do #topic Top-Level :: Sub-Level | 14:02 |
| asettle | o/ | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus: we were using something to fake it, i thought | 14:02 |
| sigmavirus | Kind of like C++ because who doesn't like C++? | 14:02 |
| sigmavirus | =P | 14:02 |
| sigmavirus | rosmaita: honestly, I've forgotten =/ | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | c++ ftw | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:02 |
| asettle | RST! \o/ :p | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | asettle: thanks for attending! | 14:02 |
| sigmavirus | asettle: ACK | 14:03 |
| asettle | I'm just such an attender | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | #topic updates | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| rosmaita | #topic updates :: new spotlight links | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates :: new spotlight links (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| sigmavirus | asettle: YOU COULD HAVE BEEN A CONTENDER! | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | ok, just want to point out the updated links on the etherpad | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | got the openstack pike release schedule | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | and the preliminary glance pike priorities and milestones: | 14:04 |
| hemanthm | o/ | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-pike-ptg-roadmap-prelim | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | also, the PTG glance schedule etherpad has links to all the etherpads we used at the PTG | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-pike-ptg-schedule | 14:05 |
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| rosmaita | please check out the proposed dates and provide any comments, etc. | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | key thing are the spec proposal freeze and spec freeze for pike | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440561/ | 14:06 |
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| nikhil | o/ | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | that patch also has the proposed weeks for the virtual midcycle and operators midcycle | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | nikhil has volunteered to organized the operators virtual midcycle for glance | 14:07 |
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| rosmaita | :) | 14:07 |
| asettle | Lucky nikhil | 14:07 |
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| rosmaita | #topic updates :: ocata postmortem | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates :: ocata postmortem (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:07 | |
| nikhil | Lol | 14:08 |
| stevelle | its dead, jim | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | we took a few minutes at the PTG to do a quick postmortem of the ocata cycle | 14:08 |
| jroll | stevelle: don't drag me into this :D | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | i'd like to open it up to people who couldn't attend | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | jroll: i never think of you as "jim", just as "jroll" | 14:08 |
| jcook | :D | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-pike-ptg-ocata-postmortem | 14:09 |
| jroll | :P | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | anyway, there's the link ... please add any comments suggestions etc you may have | 14:09 |
| asettle | rosmaita: that's because his name isn't 'jim' obvs. It's jroll on the birth certificate | 14:09 |
| asettle | Just the same way sigmavirus is *not* Ian | 14:09 |
| jcook | would have like to have gotten further on Rolling Upgrades, but I'm glad we landed what we did | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | jcook: good point, please add to etherpad | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus | asettle: who's this "Ian"? | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | Dury? | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | but we digress | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | anyway, your feedback is welcome, particularly if you have suggestions that would make pike smoother | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | i think stevelle already suggested "don't make any backward incompatible api changes" | 14:12 |
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| rosmaita | #topic updates :: image import virtual meetup | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates :: image import virtual meetup (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:12 | |
| rosmaita | i'll send out a doodle poll later today to get a time, but I'm thinking of wednesday | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | point of the meetup is to go over the spec update which i will hopefully have posted on monday | 14:13 |
| stevelle | :D | 14:13 |
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| rosmaita | and to parcel out work items and discuss open questions | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | as far as communication medium ... jokke_ you still have bluejeans access? | 14:14 |
| nikhil | Doodle please | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | yup | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | bluejeans seems to have worked out the best, any objections (in the form of a suggestion of something better)? | 14:15 |
| stevelle | no idea, never used it | 14:15 |
| stevelle | cant be worse than carrier pigeon | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | well, it | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | s better than webex | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus | lol | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus | bluejeans does work well but we need someone like jokke_ or flaper87 to host it | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus | (typically flaper87 has hosted it) | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ handled it last time, i think | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | ok, sounds like bluejeans or carrier pigeon | 14:17 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_: i'll send a doodle poll about time to the ML, can you set up bluejeans access once we have a datetime? | 14:18 |
| sigmavirus | +1 to carrier pigeon | 14:18 |
| * jcook uses bluejeans for grad school office hours and it works well. | 14:19 | |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: sure | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus | http://conferencecall.biz/ might work too | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | people who prefer carrier pigeon have to fed ex their pigeons to blacksburg, virginia, before wednesday | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus | asettle: might prefer we communicate via owls | 14:20 |
| jcook | from what I can tell bluejeans is a lot like hangouts and you really just need a link | 14:20 |
| asettle | I'm more of a pigeon lady, myself | 14:20 |
| asettle | Owls seems nice | 14:20 |
| * asettle comes in with the important comments | 14:20 | |
| jcook | lol | 14:20 |
| sigmavirus | asettle: what house are you in? | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | i think some owls at least will attack pigeons | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | so we can't mix communication media here | 14:21 |
| jcook | inb4 ravenclaw | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | or there will be bad results | 14:21 |
| asettle | sigmavirus: you're clearly referring to HP and it is very obvious that I am a Hufflepuff. | 14:21 |
| sigmavirus | =D | 14:21 |
| jcook | :D | 14:21 |
| asettle | So, perhaps we communicate using Badger? | 14:21 |
| * asettle is a thinker | 14:22 | |
| rosmaita | #action everyone look for doodle poll in the ML today and respond quickly | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | #topic looking for owners | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "looking for owners (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:22 | |
| * sigmavirus would propose that everyone learn their house today and include it in the doodle | 14:22 | |
| asettle | Wow that's a vague topic. | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus | rosmaita: I think asettle just owned you | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | we've got some pike items that need people to shepherd them | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | or whatever you do with pigeons | 14:22 |
| * rosmaita is ignoring the peanut gallery | 14:22 | |
| asettle | rosmaita: probably smart :P | 14:23 |
| stevelle | I own a hungry cat | 14:23 |
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| rosmaita | #topic owner needed :: remove 'show_multiple_locations' | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "owner needed :: remove 'show_multiple_locations' (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:23 | |
| rosmaita | this one is going to require a spec | 14:23 |
| * nikhil feels like watching the Tarzan movie now | 14:23 | |
| rosmaita | removal will be slightly complicated, and there will be argument over the proper default value for the policies | 14:24 |
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| rosmaita | (I favor "!", others favor "role:admin") | 14:24 |
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| rosmaita | to get an idea of what's up, here are some things to look at: | 14:24 |
| sigmavirus | rosmaita: if I could just rm show_multiple_locations I would | 14:24 |
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| rosmaita | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/glance/tree/releasenotes/notes/deprecate-show-multiple-location-9890a1e961def2f6.yaml | 14:25 |
| nikhil | I will take that item | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/glance/tree/releasenotes/notes/update-show_multiple_locations-helptext-7fa692642b6b6d52.yaml | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | sold! | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | that was easy | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | ok, next item | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | #topic owner needed :: removing deprecated options | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "owner needed :: removing deprecated options (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:26 | |
| rosmaita | there are several deprecated options who've passed their "remove by" date | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | it would be nice if someone could gather them on an etherpad | 14:26 |
| alex_bash | these topics are sweet music to my ears | 14:26 |
| nikhil | And I've wip review that someone can pick up if they want | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | i think most of them are simpler than the show_mult_locations and can be handled by bugs | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | but it would be good to see what they all are first so we can check them off | 14:27 |
| hemanthm | I can help | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | sold! | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | i forgot to "action" nikhil | 14:28 |
| nikhil | It's fine | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | #action nikhil to handle show_multiple_locations option removal | 14:28 |
| hemanthm | no one can action nikhil | 14:28 |
| nikhil | It is to important for me to forget | 14:28 |
| nikhil | Lol | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | #action hemanthm to put together list of deprecated options for removal | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | ok, next one | 14:28 |
| alex_bash | Chuck Norris could action nikhil | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | #topic owner needed :: remove usage of deprecated options | 14:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "owner needed :: remove usage of deprecated options (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:29 | |
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| hemanthm | so, rosmaita is Chunk Norris | 14:29 |
| nikhil | :P | 14:29 |
| * asettle comes back to the convo | 14:29 | |
| asettle | Well that escalated quickly | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | in the macho sense, yes; in the political sense, no | 14:29 |
| stevelle | but is Chuck Norris deprecated? | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | should be | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | stevelle: you can try :P | 14:30 |
| stevelle | +1 | 14:30 |
| asettle | sigmavirus or stevelle plz print plaque for next summit that says " rosmaita is chuck norris in the macho sense, not hte political sense" | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | i think i need to run this meeting more like chuck norris | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus | asettle: as if You Know Who would send me to the summit | 14:30 |
| asettle | sigmavirus: *gasp* Voldy is back working for Backspace? | 14:30 |
| asettle | I could sense it. | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus | =D | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus | asettle: did your forehead tingle? | 14:31 |
| asettle | sigmavirus: it was actually my upper arm, I have that different from HP | 14:31 |
| stevelle | was there more work to pass out? | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus | oh totes | 14:31 |
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| asettle | stevelle: yes, plaque plz | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | so we need a new defense against the dark arts instructor | 14:32 |
| asettle | *raises hand* | 14:32 |
| asettle | Oh oh oh oh oh | 14:32 |
| sigmavirus | lmao | 14:32 |
| stevelle | last one was eaten by a grue | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | to take on the task of seeing what stuff we're consuming the deprecated options of | 14:32 |
| asettle | I vote nikhil | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | and stop consuming them | 14:32 |
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| * rosmaita pauses to wait for volunteers | 14:33 | |
| sigmavirus | I think asettle voluntold nikhil, didn't she? | 14:33 |
| asettle | Sure did. | 14:33 |
| nikhil | I vote Mike | 14:33 |
| asettle | Ohhhh I see what you did there nikhil | 14:33 |
| stevelle | sorry thought that cleaning up was same task as collecting the things to clean up | 14:33 |
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| hemanthm | stevelle ++ | 14:33 |
| hemanthm | so, I'll do it as a part of my previous todo | 14:34 |
| nikhil | Well you just need to go visit different projects using them | 14:34 |
| nikhil | For cleanup I mean | 14:34 |
| asettle | hemanthm is the new Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher! \o/ | 14:34 |
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| rosmaita | let's hope he lasts longer than the last one | 14:35 |
| * hemanthm should know better | 14:35 | |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all i got | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | #topic Automating the current release name in glance code for making maitenance a long term viable reality | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Automating the current release name in glance code for making maitenance a long term viable reality (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:35 | |
| rosmaita | this is nikhil | 14:35 |
| * hemanthm hides | 14:35 | |
| nikhil | Well pretty much what the review says | 14:36 |
| nikhil | I just need ideas to see how we can do such things | 14:36 |
| * nikhil waits for ideas | 14:37 | |
| rosmaita | one suggestion is a checklist of stuff that must be done when a stable branch is cut | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | which reminds me | 14:37 |
| stevelle | I feel like having it in setup.cfg would be good enough | 14:37 |
| hemanthm | +1 | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | i think sigmavirus was working on a release checklist or something like that | 14:38 |
| sigmavirus | IsI am | 14:38 |
| nikhil | I was thinking of the same thing stevelle | 14:38 |
| sigmavirus | *I am | 14:38 |
| hemanthm | either way, we'd still have to maintain it manually | 14:38 |
| nikhil | stevelle: but you probably know better if that confuses downstream | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | hemanthm is correct, i think | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | but i guess the advantage is that it's in a more obvious place? | 14:39 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: I think we can request it part of release automation | 14:39 |
| hemanthm | nikhil: yeah, kinda where I was headed as well | 14:40 |
| nikhil | Typically when release is cut we get that flag and set it | 14:40 |
| nikhil | But today only signs are in git commit messages | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | so the problem i see is that master doesn't get a name until a stable branch has been cut | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | and master is where we need the correct name | 14:42 |
| nikhil | Yup | 14:42 |
| hemanthm | I don't know enough about release automation, are there any post-release automation that is done currently? | 14:43 |
| dharinic | neutron maintains a release checklisr for few things that needs to be done manually when a stable branch is to be cut. | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | dharinic: ++ , i think we need that even independently of how we fix this | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus: do you have any ideas? | 14:45 |
| nikhil | Well I think that is opposite of where we want to go | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | we could always mention dhellmann and see what happens | 14:45 |
| sigmavirus | hemanthm: nikhil so there is automation around updating upper-constraints, .gitreview, and a few other things | 14:45 |
| sigmavirus | rosmaita: ttx is the release PTL now :) | 14:45 |
| sigmavirus | I think having extra steps that we carry out manually works well too | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | but those are into the stable branch | 14:46 |
| nikhil | We were trying to get rid of configs in tree so that release is not blocked on such manual updates | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | we need this to happen in master | 14:46 |
| sigmavirus | ah I see | 14:46 |
| alex_bash | maybe we can add a gate job for this | 14:46 |
| nikhil | It would be a horrendous experience for waiting on a zillion patches to cut release | 14:46 |
| sigmavirus | nikhil: currently we don't wait on those patches | 14:47 |
| sigmavirus | I'm not sure what you're expecting to be the problem | 14:47 |
| sigmavirus | alex_bash: the gate job would run every time we merge to a branch. How would that help? | 14:47 |
| alex_bash | first patch to merge to master on new release will have to manually update it | 14:47 |
| nikhil | sigmavirus: we need to refresh configs in tree before cutting a branch | 14:47 |
| sigmavirus | So what is the core of the problem? Our config files have the wrong name? | 14:47 |
| alex_bash | all subsequent patches would pass | 14:48 |
| hemanthm | https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/db/migration.py#L50 | 14:48 |
| hemanthm | sigmavirus: ^ | 14:48 |
| sigmavirus | nikhil: so that's 1 patch to wait on before creating a release? | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | i dont't think any file currently has the name we need | 14:48 |
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| nikhil | sigmavirus: ha, I don't think so | 14:48 |
| sigmavirus | so what hemanthm linked can be pulled out of a setup.cfg if we watned it to be | 14:48 |
| hemanthm | yeah and I don't know why cutting a branch should get delayed | 14:49 |
| sigmavirus | hemanthm: right, we'd update setup.cfg after a branch has been released | 14:49 |
| nikhil | it should not be | 14:49 |
| nikhil | but it can be | 14:49 |
| sigmavirus | current_release would be set at the start of the cycle and then we'd be done until the next | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | yeah, the new stable branch will already have the corect name | 14:49 |
| hemanthm | when cutting the branch that label should have already been updated | 14:49 |
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| sigmavirus | I think we're conflating a lot of things | 14:49 |
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| rosmaita | sigmavirus: ++ | 14:50 |
| hemanthm | +1 | 14:50 |
| nikhil | I am quite clear on the problem | 14:50 |
| sigmavirus | I think what you're saying is that you want to have automation that hooks into the release automation when we create a release | 14:50 |
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| sigmavirus | That's the basis of everything, yes? | 14:50 |
| nikhil | for this issue, may be that's the answer | 14:50 |
| sigmavirus | Kind of like we have tools/test-setup.sh that will run for our gate jobs | 14:50 |
| sigmavirus | nikhil: if you're clear on the issue, I'm not getting a cohesive picture of it from everyoen else | 14:51 |
| nikhil | sigmavirus: alright, let me be explicit | 14:51 |
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| nikhil | this is the review :- | 14:52 |
| nikhil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438736/ | 14:52 |
| stevelle | I think automating something that happens 2x per year is a digression derailing the meeting at this point | 14:52 |
| nikhil | it has the var CURRENT_RELEASE hardcoded to the current release name | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: good point | 14:52 |
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| rosmaita | let's go with the checklist approach for now | 14:52 |
| nikhil | so you are saying we are not discussing important stuff | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | we're saying that we're not having open discussion | 14:53 |
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| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:53 | |
| rosmaita | (i got feedback that i should make sure we have open discussion time at each meeting) | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | (and whenever i do ... there's usually no discussion) | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | :) | 14:55 |
| jcook | hi | 14:55 |
| jcook | :) | 14:55 |
| sigmavirus | ^5 for everyone | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | we need to get the previous topic settled before August 7 | 14:55 |
| jcook | I have a question | 14:56 |
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| jcook | Does anyone know of a deployment that builds thousands of concurrent VMs off an uncached image? | 14:56 |
| jcook | besides Rackspace Public Cloud users? | 14:56 |
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| jcook | I'm assuming cern might if not cached on hypervisor or precached in glance, but I hear they are tiny. | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | yes, they tend to be something like 256MB | 14:57 |
| jcook | I think you could have stampeding heard with that size | 14:58 |
| jcook | herd* | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | and answer to your question, no I would not know anyone else | 14:58 |
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| jcook | but maybe not with their scale, or they cache, or cache completes quickly enough | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | jcook: well, cern uses lots of clouds that aren't theirs | 14:58 |
| jcook | ah | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | they get time donated by various clouds | 14:59 |
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| rosmaita | so it could be a general problem, give all the clouds they use | 14:59 |
| jcook | I wonder if they fail a lot of builds and jsut retry or no | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | but i haven't heard anyone mention it as a problem | 14:59 |
| jcook | k | 14:59 |
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| rosmaita | ok, we're about out of time ... look for a doodle poll about image import mtg next week | 15:00 |
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| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_neutron)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 2 15:00:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-03-02-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | they do have lots of resiliency on their process as those donated resources might drop when ever depending of the usage of the cloud they are using | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-03-02-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-03-02-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | thanks all | 15:00 |
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| sjmc7 | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 15:01:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sjmc7. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
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| sjmc7 | Morning all | 15:01 |
| TravT | o/ | 15:01 |
| Kevin_Zheng_ | ：） | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:01 |
| lei-zh | o/ | 15:01 |
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| sjmc7 | I trust everyone is well | 15:02 |
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| sjmc7 | ok, let’s get started | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | #topic nova cells | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nova cells (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:03 | |
| sjmc7 | I saw http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112996.html on the mailing list last week | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | It looks like nova is still pretty keen to use searchlight | 15:03 |
| yingjun | good news | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | Kevin_Zheng: i saw you’d replied to that thread | 15:04 |
| Kevin_Zheng_ | Yeah | 15:04 |
| Kevin_Zheng_ | I will be happy to do it | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | Excellent, thanks | 15:05 |
| Kevin_Zheng_ | NP | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | I suspect that the issues with notifications requiring hits on the nova server API may become apparent | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | But maybe that’ll be the impetus needed to make some changes there | 15:05 |
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| sjmc7 | Did you talk to anyone aside from that thread? | 15:07 |
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| Kevin_Zheng_ | Not too much | 15:08 |
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| Kevin_Zheng_ | I | 15:08 |
| Kevin_Zheng_ | Have a spec about tag notification we talked a little there | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | Yes, I remember that one | 15:09 |
| Kevin_Zheng_ | I will start to check the details next week | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | I lost touch with the current state of notifications (versioned or otherwise) so i will try ot catch up | 15:09 |
| Kevin_Zheng_ | I mean for the whole thing | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | Ok, great | 15:09 |
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| sjmc7 | It’ll be good to see how that works out, though I’m also a little nervous :) | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | Thanks again for taking that on | 15:10 |
| Kevin_Zheng_ | I think people are just sum up the ptg | 15:10 |
| Kevin_Zheng_ | So maybe next week will be better | 15:11 |
| Kevin_Zheng_ | :) | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | Yep :) They’re always tiring, especially with the travel | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | And a lot of people take holidays afterwards | 15:11 |
| Kevin_Zheng_ | Yeah me too, I will ask for help here if needed | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | #topic Other PTG news | 15:11 |
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| sjmc7 | I think only rosmaita was at the PTG from the regular contributors here | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | I know you were busy with glance work, which i hope went well | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | Or at least reached some conclusions | 15:12 |
| rosmaita | possibly | 15:12 |
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| sjmc7 | Did you overhear anything that might be useful for searchlight? | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | no, just that nova is still talking about using it for cells | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | OK. Yeah, the mailing list summaries are very helpful | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | but nothing specific | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | How was the PTG? | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | the first 2 days were very disorganized | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | it was hard to figure out who was discussing what when | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | I guess that’s to be expected with a new format | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | yes, hopefully they'll address that next time | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | i think the idea was that the format will evolve organically | 15:15 |
| rosmaita | but, overall it was good | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | Oh dear :) | 15:15 |
| rosmaita | about 600 people, i think | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | Oh, that’s a good turnout | 15:15 |
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| TravT | wow, that's pretty good | 15:15 |
| rosmaita | but not a lot of distractions | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | distractions == big drunken parties? | 15:15 |
| rosmaita | had a lot more time for discussions than at the typical summit | 15:15 |
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| rosmaita | sjmc7: there were zero drunken parties | 15:16 |
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| rosmaita | but i was just thinking of all the random people wandering around | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | Yeah, that seemed to be the goal, to allow the dev teams to discuss things without feeling they had to go to talks and do business activities | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | Well, you are a popular guy | 15:16 |
| rosmaita | yes, and it definitely succeeded in that regard | 15:16 |
| rosmaita | ? | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | all the people wandering around wanting to talk to you | 15:17 |
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| sjmc7 | Has there been anything going on with the OSIC? I’ve not heard much really since Tokyo | 15:17 |
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| lei-zh | you mean what osic people are doing? | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | yeah | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | At one time we were talking about getting in there but lost steam a bit | 15:19 |
| rosmaita | yeah, they've pulled back a bit on how many projects they pay attention to | 15:19 |
| rosmaita | i think the big think they | 15:20 |
| rosmaita | re pushing are the rolling upgrades stuff | 15:21 |
| rosmaita | and some operational improvements | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | ah, yes. that’s been a problem for many years | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | ok. moving on then | 15:21 |
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| sjmc7 | #topic pike goals | 15:21 |
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| sjmc7 | There are two technical committee goals for pike | 15:21 |
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| sjmc7 | One is that all services should run in apache via WSGI | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | The other is python 3.5 compliance | 15:22 |
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| sjmc7 | I think we’re ok on python3.5 and there’s a blueprint for WSGI https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/deploy-via-wsgi which i will take for pike | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | take = tag | 15:23 |
| Kevin_Zheng_ | cool | 15:23 |
| sjmc7 | i think it should be fairly trivial (at which point it will become a massive unpleasant burden) | 15:23 |
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| sjmc7 | #topic Reviews | 15:24 |
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| sjmc7 | Last thing i had was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/423884/ | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | i had meant to merge this for Ocata and i’m a bit annoyed at myself that i missed it | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | There was a comment (from lei-zh i think?) about continuing to support elasticsearch 1 | 15:25 |
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| sjmc7 | given that ES 5 is now out i’m ok dropping support for 1.x in the interests of simplifying code | 15:25 |
| TravT | +1 on dropping ES 5 support | 15:26 |
| TravT | i mean ES 1 | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | hahaha | 15:26 |
| TravT | Let's also drop ES 2.x support | 15:26 |
| TravT | ;) | 15:26 |
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| sjmc7 | drop them all! | 15:26 |
| yingjun | ;; | 15:26 |
| lei-zh | yeah, ES1 error string really looks weird | 15:26 |
| yingjun | i can't do that | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | that’s why they fixed it in ES 2 :) | 15:27 |
| clarkb | fwiw es 1 appears to still be supported by upstream. we got a new release not too long ago | 15:27 |
| TravT | that bug could be backported | 15:27 |
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| sjmc7 | clarkb: yeah, i think Elastic will support it for some time still | 15:27 |
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| sjmc7 | it was hard to migrate to 2.x for a lot of their users | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | we don’t have any deployments i’m aware of using 1.x (our v1 was post-elasticsearch 1) | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | i guess it doesn’t do any harm to keep the support if that’s the extent of it | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | so maybe it’s ok merging that patch as is | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | drop es 1 next release | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | But i would like ot get that one in so i can backport it | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | And on that note, I will also endeavour to get an elasticsearch 5.x test job running | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | Which i seem to say every week | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | Ok, I didn’t have anything else on the agenda | 15:30 |
| sjmc7 | #topic open discussion | 15:30 |
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| sjmc7 | I shall open the floor | 15:30 |
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| sjmc7 | And if nobody stands on it in the next few minutes i’ll call it there and let people get to bed | 15:31 |
| lei-zh | nope | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | Ok then. Thanks everyone! | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | Have a good weekend | 15:33 |
| rosmaita | you too | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | #endmeeting | 15:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 2 15:33:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2017/openstack_search.2017-03-02-15.01.html | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2017/openstack_search.2017-03-02-15.01.txt | 15:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2017/openstack_search.2017-03-02-15.01.log.html | 15:33 |
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| mhayden | #startmeeting openstack_ansible_meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 16:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mhayden. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_ansible_meeting)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:00 |
| mhayden | right at 16:00 | 16:00 |
| mhayden | such joy | 16:00 |
| mhayden | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: openstack_ansible_meeting)" | 16:00 | |
| alextricity25 | o/ | 16:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 16:00 |
| andymccr | o/ | 16:01 |
| andymccr | you are the best at timing mhayden | 16:01 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 16:01 |
| jmccrory | o/ | 16:01 |
| rromans | o/ | 16:02 |
| palendae | o/ | 16:02 |
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| mgariepy | o/ | 16:02 |
| d34dh0r53 | o/ | 16:03 |
| * mhayden waits 'til 16:05 | 16:03 | |
| spotz | \o/ | 16:03 |
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| mhayden | okay, let's get rolling | 16:05 |
| mhayden | last week was the PTG, so there were no action items ;) | 16:05 |
| logan- | o/ | 16:05 |
| mhayden | #topic Operations Guide Review - asettle | 16:05 |
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| * mhayden hands it over to asettle | 16:05 | |
| asettle | Hey dueds | 16:05 |
| asettle | ... a new version of dudes | 16:05 |
| mhayden | sup dued | 16:05 |
| asettle | Well, first up | 16:05 |
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| asettle | THanks for those that helped out reviewing the guide at the PTG - solid effort | 16:06 |
| asettle | Secondly - there's something I should have made clear during that effort | 16:06 |
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| asettle | Anything that isn't *specific* OSA config and operations content - remove it. But don't delete - we'll move this to docs.o.o | 16:06 |
| asettle | Has anyone been able to see if anyone can help contribute? | 16:07 |
| asettle | I know evrardjp has offered to write a section (thanks man!) | 16:07 |
| andymccr | i think i signed up for a section too | 16:07 |
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| mhayden | woot | 16:07 |
| andymccr | all the cool kids are signing up for ops guide sections these days... you should all try it | 16:08 |
| mhayden | hah | 16:08 |
| mhayden | asettle: got a link to the remaining work? | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | a new one? | 16:08 |
| asettle | uno momento | 16:08 |
| asettle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackAnsible#Documentation_planning | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | if all the cool kids are doing it, I'm out. | 16:08 |
| asettle | andymccr: could you put it in the table plz? :) | 16:09 |
| andymccr | evrardjp: you were one of the cool kids | 16:09 |
| asettle | Just so we can track what needs to be done | 16:09 |
| evrardjp | andymccr: that's great! | 16:09 |
| asettle | I appreciate you're not all operators, but, you have that knowledge :) | 16:09 |
| asettle | So, yay | 16:09 |
| evrardjp | #hasbeenalready | 16:09 |
| andymccr | asettle: im in the table bottom section! | 16:09 |
| jmccrory | what's the difference between removing and deleting? | 16:09 |
| asettle | andymccr: oh that guy | 16:09 |
| asettle | jmccrory: removing (commenting out), deleting (out of tree and out of mind) | 16:09 |
| andymccr | hard to figure out based on my irc nick but i am infact "Andy McCrae" | 16:09 |
| jmccrory | gotcha | 16:10 |
| spotz | hehe | 16:10 |
| crushil | \o | 16:10 |
| crushil | sorry I'm late | 16:10 |
| asettle | Wow andymccr tell me more | 16:10 |
| asettle | I just... I feel like I don't know you very well | 16:10 |
| mhayden | crushil: welcome! | 16:10 |
| asettle | crushil: nobody will every forgive you | 16:10 |
| asettle | ... two sides of OSA | 16:10 |
| asettle | ever* | 16:10 |
| crushil | lol | 16:10 |
| andymccr | crushil: welcome! | 16:10 |
| asettle | crushil: are *you* an operator? Do you do operations? | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:11 |
| spotz | asettle is vicious this week:) | 16:11 |
| asettle | spotz: it's not been a fun week :P | 16:11 |
| asettle | I"M SORRY ILL BE NICER | 16:11 |
| palendae | asettle: Don't succumb to peer pressure | 16:11 |
| * asettle runs around in circles | 16:11 | |
| asettle | What do I do, what do I do | 16:11 |
| spotz | Pick on Nova more?:) | 16:11 |
| asettle | spotz: I am like, the last in a very long line of people hatin' on nova this cycle :P | 16:12 |
| * asettle points of andymccr | 16:12 | |
| asettle | at* | 16:12 |
| asettle | Frick I just can't type | 16:12 |
| asettle | mhayden: we are done with the ops update :P | 16:12 |
| mhayden | woot! | 16:12 |
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| spotz | If you couldn't tell...:) | 16:12 |
| mhayden | #topic Python project for inventory code - palendae | 16:12 |
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| crushil | asettle, not really. I was an operator in my previous life. Trying to be part of a contributor in multiple projects including OSA | 16:13 |
| palendae | There's a review up at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418076/ to move the inventory code into a Python package. Would appreciate input on naming. stevelle already provided some feedback | 16:13 |
| palendae | My main concern with naming it - it may grow to have more than inventory stuff in it, so I'd opt for not referencing only inventory | 16:14 |
| palendae | (and yes, I will fix the merge conflict today) | 16:14 |
| palendae | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418076/ | 16:14 |
| palendae | And that's all I have | 16:14 |
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| asettle | crushil: that's alllll I need ;) | 16:15 |
| asettle | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackAnsible#Documentation_planning | 16:15 |
| asettle | sorry palendae | 16:15 |
| andymccr | palendae: so the aim is to review that PR once its unmergeconflicted | 16:15 |
| palendae | andymccr: That and provide names...maybe I should set up a place to vote separately | 16:15 |
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| andymccr | palendae: ok cool | 16:15 |
| andymccr | palendae: so we'd have to move that out into a separate repo (once it's named) i assume? | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | palendae do we intend to move it out into its own repo to become a library? | 16:16 |
| palendae | I don't intend to move it yet, no | 16:16 |
| palendae | You can have more than one package in a repo; glance already does this | 16:16 |
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| andymccr | palendae: i guess once the bits are there we can figure out the details afterwards? | 16:18 |
| palendae | Yeah | 16:18 |
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| andymccr | sounds good to me. | 16:18 |
| palendae | They don't strictly need to exist in a separate repo to be a pip-installable package | 16:18 |
| palendae | So we can get something installable for now and I guess if people really want more repos we can | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | ok cool, keeping it in-repo certaonly makes testing easier | 16:19 |
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| andymccr | yeah i think its a future looking thing, we could do at some point if/when it makes sense but for now it doesnt really make sense | 16:19 |
| andymccr | (splitting out into its own repo) | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | and if we can do more than one package from a single repo, then there is hope for one day doing 'pip install openstack-ansible' and magic happens! | 16:19 |
| andymccr | odyssey4me: magic already happens | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | o/ | 16:19 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: Right. But with a different name :p | 16:19 |
| andymccr | No matching distribution found for openstack-ansible | 16:20 |
| andymccr | magic! | 16:20 |
| andymccr | ok we good on this topic? palendae mhayden? | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | pip install osa | 16:21 |
| evrardjp | should do everything for us | 16:21 |
| evrardjp | that's magic. | 16:21 |
| palendae | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-python-package-name for voting I guess | 16:21 |
| * mhayden yields to palendae if we're done discussing this one | 16:21 | |
| palendae | With that link, I think we can be :) | 16:21 |
| andymccr | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-python-package-name | 16:22 |
| evrardjp | https://martinfowler.com/bliki/TwoHardThings.html | 16:22 |
| andymccr | #action vote for a name! | 16:22 |
| mhayden | woot | 16:22 |
| palendae | evrardjp: indeed | 16:22 |
| mhayden | some voting (and trolling) already underway | 16:22 |
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| andymccr | we can probably collect a list and have a vote at next meeting? | 16:23 |
| andymccr | unless actual votes go into the etherpad | 16:23 |
| mhayden | sounds good | 16:23 |
| palendae | andymccr: Works for me | 16:23 |
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| mhayden | palendae: get something out to the ML for that if you can | 16:23 |
| mhayden | okay, moving right along | 16:23 |
| mhayden | #topic Release Planning & Decisions - andymccr | 16:23 |
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| * mhayden passes it to andymccr | 16:23 | |
| mhayden | i hear there's a big release on the way | 16:23 |
| mhayden | something about a deadline | 16:23 |
| andymccr | you heard correctly! | 16:23 |
| andymccr | so next week is the deadline, i'll be doing the release either tomorrow or early next week. | 16:24 |
| andymccr | What i need from everybody is | 16:24 |
| andymccr | 1. tell me any critical blockers | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | erator for the win ! | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | imo | 16:24 |
| andymccr | 2. help review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439691/ - which is a blocker | 16:24 |
| spotz | If I'm not about ping for reviews | 16:24 |
| andymccr | jamesdenton raised some upgrade bugs which that should fix and i'd like that in for release | 16:25 |
| andymccr | but if there are no other blockers i'll do a sha bump once that's in and release straight away | 16:25 |
| spotz | andymccr: Did you verify against the comment from Matt? I looked at it yesterday but wasn't sure you were going to change things again | 16:25 |
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| andymccr | spotz: yeah there is a tricky setup in that new builds vs upgrades have a different process | 16:26 |
| spotz | You're all approvedL) | 16:26 |
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| andymccr | which is why the patch is needed :) but yeah | 16:26 |
| andymccr | thanks! | 16:26 |
| andymccr | newton/mitaka releases - i need to check if it goes out this week or next | 16:27 |
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| andymccr | i'll keep with the 2 week cadence, so if we released 2 weeks ago this will be the next release week | 16:27 |
| andymccr | again any issues or questions let me know! | 16:27 |
| andymccr | and yeah - key thing - notify me of any blockers for the release! | 16:27 |
| andymccr | ok all done on release update. | 16:28 |
| mhayden | okay, good to move along? | 16:28 |
| andymccr | mhayden: si si | 16:28 |
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| mhayden | i'm going to skip down a little | 16:28 |
| mhayden | #topic ceph_client on 16.04 | 16:28 |
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| mhayden | anyone want to speak to this item? there was no name on it | 16:29 |
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| andymccr | logan-: perhaps? | 16:29 |
| logan- | wasn't me | 16:29 |
| mgariepy | maybe cloudnull ? | 16:29 |
| logan- | i'm not sure, i'm using it and no huge issues afaik | 16:29 |
| evrardjp | I think the idea | 16:29 |
| evrardjp | was to have deployer's opinions | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | not i | 16:30 |
| evrardjp | for the ceph_client thing. There is supposed to have two links there for the meeting | 16:30 |
| evrardjp | two weeks ago this was added to the agenda due to a conversation during triage | 16:30 |
| evrardjp | let me give you the links | 16:30 |
| evrardjp | so that's the bug: | 16:31 |
| evrardjp | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1661948 | 16:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1661948 in openstack-ansible "ceph_client: on ubuntu 16.04 default Ceph version (hammer) causes conflicts " [Undecided,New] | 16:31 |
| evrardjp | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1661948 | 16:31 |
| evrardjp | and that's our conversation | 16:31 |
| evrardjp | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-ansible/%23openstack-ansible.2017-02-07.log.html#t2017-02-07T16:15:24 | 16:31 |
| evrardjp | we were waiting two weeks ago for a feedback from Travis IIRC | 16:32 |
| evrardjp | or for any other deployer | 16:32 |
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| evrardjp | so do we do this in this "stable" branch ? | 16:33 |
| andymccr | hnn | 16:33 |
| evrardjp | or | 16:34 |
| evrardjp | we just leave it as is, and wait for another input. | 16:34 |
| andymccr | i think we need more input tbh | 16:34 |
| andymccr | i know logan- and a few others are actively using ceph - and if we can't re-create the problem it'll be hard to fix it also | 16:34 |
| evrardjp | logan-: what's the version currently deployed? | 16:34 |
| evrardjp | also keep in mind that now we have uca everywhere, and not only "base xenial repos" | 16:35 |
| logan- | newton is still hammer by default I think | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | I suggest we keep it that way, and wait for more feedback. | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | oh I already said taht | 16:36 |
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| evrardjp | I'm becoming a goldfish | 16:36 |
| spotz | UCA stuff has been rock solid, they put up a working liberasurecode1 for me in netwon-proposed if anyone needs it | 16:36 |
| logan- | hmm actually ceph_stable_release is not defined in newton, that's strange | 16:36 |
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| logan- | oh it's in vars | 16:37 |
| logan- | yeah hammer | 16:37 |
| evrardjp | it's in vars | 16:37 |
| logan- | ocata+ is jewel by default, so we should see this problem less over time as we maintain the ceph version better | 16:37 |
| evrardjp | ok | 16:37 |
| logan- | i will bump ceph_client to the next ceph LTS in Q so we don't get behind like this again | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | if we see the bug appearing on N, we'll think of a bump of ceph version and a bump of osa version for N branch I guess :) | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | logan-: great! | 16:38 |
| logan- | actually pike might be best, i'm not sure, but depending on the timing of the LTS | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | If that's a periodic thing, maybe you can add that to our openstack-ansible agenda :) | 16:39 |
| logan- | ok | 16:39 |
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| mhayden | are we good on this topic? | 16:39 |
| evrardjp | I think so | 16:40 |
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| logan- | yeah | 16:40 |
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| logan- | #action logan- add ceph_client version bump to development cycle checklist | 16:42 |
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| evrardjp | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/ocata/developer-docs/contribute.html#development-cycle-checklist | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | this way it's logged next to action :) | 16:42 |
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| mgariepy | the ceph client version should be compatible with older release no ? | 16:43 |
| mhayden | okay, movin' along | 16:43 |
| mhayden | #topic Bugs needing attention - evrardjp | 16:43 |
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| evrardjp | mgariepy: that's a good point | 16:43 |
| mhayden | evrardjp: anything pressing this week in bug land? | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | oh ok | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | yes | 16:43 |
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| evrardjp | We have 2 Critical bugs: | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | Very slow Xenial gate jobs and Rebuilding keystone[0] container breaks credential keys | 16:44 |
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| evrardjp | the first one is sitting for a while, and the second need some love I guess | 16:44 |
| andymccr | i'd also like to add this one as a key bug: | 16:44 |
| andymccr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1667103 | 16:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667103 in openstack-ansible "Error upgrading MariaDB during N->O upgrade" [High,Confirmed] | 16:44 |
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| logan- | for the keystone bug, I plan to have a patch up tomorrow and it will need backports and added to releases asap | 16:44 |
| mhayden | slow xenial jobs are a PITA for sure | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | I was planning to go to high bugs later, but that's fine | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | we have 4 high level bugs | 16:45 |
| mhayden | canonical is still working on the xenial perf problems | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | I think these bugs need either work, or re-classification | 16:45 |
| andymccr | logan-: if its up tomorrow we can perhaps wait for that before releasing? | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | I'd be enclined to wait for the critical to merge before releasing | 16:46 |
| logan- | yep | 16:46 |
| andymccr | although i guess that impacts other releases so i wouldnt say its a release blocker atm | 16:46 |
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| logan- | yeah i wouldn't say it is a blocker but it is something we should get in asap if the fix is accepted quickly | 16:47 |
| andymccr | logan-: agreed | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | it's not a blocker by itself but it definitely decrease our deployer experience and we may look bad if things are broken are passed into a tag | 16:48 |
| evrardjp | so the faster the fix with a tag, the better, IMO | 16:48 |
| andymccr | it seems it impacts mostly on newton when you would do the OS upgrade | 16:48 |
| andymccr | but yeah agreed we need that fixed and included | 16:48 |
| evrardjp | oh ok | 16:48 |
| evrardjp | thanks for clarificaiton | 16:48 |
| evrardjp | I think that's all I wanted to say, bugs need more love :) | 16:49 |
| mhayden | alrighty | 16:50 |
| mhayden | #topic Open Floor | 16:50 |
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| mhayden | we have ~ 9 minutes | 16:50 |
| jmccrory | started notes on newton-xenial upgrade here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-newton-xenial-upgrade | 16:50 |
| jmccrory | still need to add computes and do more testing | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | thanks jmccrory! | 16:50 |
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| jmccrory | but anyone else that's tried and has input, feel free to add to the page | 16:51 |
| jmccrory | and move to docs whenever it's looking reasonable | 16:51 |
| andymccr | jmccrory: sounds good | 16:52 |
| andymccr | logan- was going to be adding some notes anyway perhaps collab on that etherpad would be good | 16:52 |
| evrardjp | I think the "fresh install of xenial" is really important, ask mhayden :D | 16:52 |
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| mhayden | trusty -> xenial upgrades are TURRIBLE for me so far | 16:53 |
| jmccrory | yep, ubuntu's script has been finicky | 16:53 |
| evrardjp | mhayden: could you add your comments on point 5 on the etherpad? | 16:53 |
| evrardjp | :) | 16:53 |
| mhayden | can do | 16:53 |
| evrardjp | cool thanks | 16:54 |
| mhayden | okay, going to close this up unless there's anything else | 16:54 |
| andymccr | all good this side | 16:55 |
| evrardjp | yup | 16:58 |
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| evrardjp | thanks everyone! | 16:58 |
| mhayden | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 2 16:59:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-03-02-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-03-02-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-03-02-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| pcarver | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 17:04:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pcarver. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:04 |
| pcarver | who's here for SFC? | 17:05 |
| igordcard | pcarver: I am | 17:05 |
| pcarver | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceFunctionChainingMeeting#Agenda_for_the_Networking-SFC_Meeting_.283.2F2.2F2017.29 | 17:05 |
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| pcarver | Could be a quiet meeting | 17:06 |
| igordcard | pcarver: do you know if cathy or louis are definitely not joining? | 17:06 |
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| songole | pcarver: this is songole | 17:06 |
| pcarver | hi songole | 17:06 |
| pcarver | igordcard: I don't know. But we can quickly run down the agenda and cover what we can | 17:07 |
| pcarver | first item https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409759/ which has some +1s but no +2s | 17:07 |
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| songole | pcarver: I have a few qs for open discussion | 17:07 |
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| pcarver | I haven't reviewed it myself so I will definitely try to, but we're going to need cores from python-neutronclient | 17:08 |
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| pcarver | songole: sure. We should get there pretty quickly | 17:09 |
| pcarver | Moving on to the API reference https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389385 | 17:09 |
| pcarver | I think it's almost there. Still nitpicking details but it'll eventually merge. | 17:09 |
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| pcarver | I have a question regarding chain_id | 17:10 |
| igordcard | was checking new patchset now | 17:10 |
| pcarver | see line 40 of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389385/15/api-ref/source/v2/sfc-port-chains.inc | 17:11 |
| igordcard | yes it's supposed to be known to the user | 17:11 |
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| igordcard | #link https://github.com/openstack/networking-sfc/blob/master/networking_sfc/extensions/sfc.py#L223 | 17:11 |
| igordcard | pcarver: it's similar to a Service Path Identifier (IETF) | 17:12 |
| pcarver | I've added a description to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389385/17/api-ref/source/v2/parameters.yaml | 17:12 |
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| pcarver | line 4867 | 17:12 |
| pcarver | An integer chain identifier. Not to be confused with the UUID chain ID. | 17:12 |
| pcarver | let me know if you have a better description | 17:13 |
| pcarver | I didn't really know what to write about it. | 17:13 |
| igordcard | pcarver: OK, I'll think about it and write something | 17:13 |
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| igordcard | pcarver: it will be converted to NSP in the path nodes | 17:13 |
| igordcard | pcarver: so "MAX_CHAIN_ID = 65535" | 17:14 |
| pcarver | As for the API definition, I'm moving slowly but have been copying changes into my local copy based on other changes happening in the networking-sfc repo. | 17:14 |
| pcarver | igordcard: ok, I'll add the max to the description | 17:14 |
| igordcard | with NSH it could go up to 16M different IDs | 17:14 |
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| pcarver | For the API definition I believe the right thing to do is to refactor the "normalize" functions to neutron-lib converters | 17:17 |
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| pcarver | using either the existing ones or adding new ones if necessary | 17:17 |
| pcarver | I don't think functions like normalize_chain_parameters should be added to neutron-lib | 17:17 |
| igordcard | pcarver: right... still they would be in neutron-lib, but specifically in the api for sfc file | 17:18 |
| pcarver | perhaps, but if it can be done more generically that would be preferable | 17:19 |
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| pcarver | neutron-lib has an existing structure for specifying and applying both validators and converters | 17:19 |
| pcarver | unless the validation simply can't be expressed generically | 17:20 |
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| pcarver | but I'll work through it and figure out what's best and we can discuss via the review | 17:21 |
| igordcard | it would be nice if it could have a method to generate validators and normalizers given a simple dict of possible key/value combinations | 17:21 |
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| LouisF | hi all | 17:21 |
| pcarver | igordcard: I believe there are | 17:21 |
| igordcard | hi LouisF | 17:21 |
| igordcard | pcarver: great | 17:21 |
| pcarver | hi LouisF | 17:21 |
| LouisF | thanks for starting meeting | 17:21 |
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| pcarver | igordcard: I need to see if I can get the same normalize result using the generic converters, either as-is or with modification | 17:22 |
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| pcarver | next on the agenda: Ocata release: SFC graph, NSH dataplane, OVN driver | 17:22 |
| igordcard | pcarver: cool... including per-key defaults | 17:23 |
| pcarver | oh, shoot. I should be setting topics shouldn't I | 17:23 |
| pcarver | #topic Ocata release: SFC graph, NSH dataplane, OVN driver | 17:23 |
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| pcarver | I forgot about the # topic command | 17:23 |
| songole | pcarver: is symmetric chain also part of Ocata? | 17:24 |
| pcarver | is there anything to discuss with regard to these three items? | 17:24 |
| igordcard | yep I symmetric chains are, for ovs at least | 17:25 |
| igordcard | regarding Ocata: NSH dataplane had already been delayed to Pike given the OVS dependency | 17:25 |
| LouisF | igordcard: ok | 17:25 |
| vks1 | igordcard, i tested the patch | 17:25 |
| igordcard | also, I have re-targeted SFC Graphs to Pike too given the right release schedule | 17:25 |
| pcarver | #info NSH dataplane had already been delayed to Pike given the OVS dependency | 17:25 |
| igordcard | and finally, MPLS correlation in port-pairs is the big feature ready for Ocata (just waiting for more reviews now) | 17:26 |
| songole | igordcard: patch link for mpls? | 17:26 |
| pcarver | igordcard: bleeding over into the next topic on the agenda, but didn't we already cut the stable/ocata branch? | 17:26 |
| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420339/ | 17:26 |
| LouisF | pcarver: not yet | 17:26 |
| songole | thanks | 17:26 |
| igordcard | stable/ocata for networking-sfc: | 17:27 |
| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439200/ | 17:27 |
| pcarver | #topic stable/ocata branch | 17:27 |
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| pcarver | do we have a target date? | 17:27 |
| pcarver | This was a topic of concern at the PTG | 17:28 |
| pcarver | starting with Pike we need to align with rest of the stadium | 17:28 |
| pcarver | For Ocata it's as soon as possible, already done would have been better | 17:28 |
| LouisF | pcarver: want to pull stable/ocata branch today | 17:29 |
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| pcarver | LouisF: Great | 17:29 |
| pcarver | igordcard: is that an issue for the MPLS patch? | 17:30 |
| LouisF | pcarver: will post update to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439200/ | 17:30 |
| igordcard | pcarver: well the mpls patch should be merged before the branch is cut | 17:30 |
| igordcard | pcarver: it's not a bugfix... | 17:30 |
| igordcard | the code has remained unchanged for the past 11 days, only documentation suffered changes | 17:31 |
| pcarver | looks like I'm a couple patch sets behind, but I was ok with 19 | 17:31 |
| LouisF | igordcard: if it merges today i will include it | 17:31 |
| pcarver | I'll look at the changes since 19 in about 2 hours. I have a meeting right after we finish this one. | 17:32 |
| igordcard | correction, wrong patchset, for the last 7 days | 17:32 |
| igordcard | pcarver: thank you! | 17:32 |
| pcarver | anything else on stable/ocata topic? | 17:33 |
| pcarver | #topic Bug scrub | 17:34 |
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| pcarver | sounds no one has anything to say on bugs | 17:35 |
| pcarver | #topic Open Discussion | 17:35 |
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| pcarver | songole: you had some items? | 17:35 |
| songole | pcarver: we are starting to come upto speed on neutron-sfc | 17:35 |
| pcarver | songole: sorry, could you introduce yourself. I'm not sure whether I know you. | 17:36 |
| songole | we have an use case to insert IPS (inline bump in the wire) and IDS service | 17:36 |
| pcarver | And who you're including in "we" | 17:36 |
| songole | pcarver: sure | 17:36 |
| vks1 | pcarver, its me also | 17:36 |
| vks1 | songole, pls go ahead | 17:36 |
| songole | vikash and muself work closely at One Convergence. We actively participate in GBP project | 17:37 |
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| igordcard | songole: any interst in using networking-sfc as SFC backend in GBP? | 17:37 |
| songole | muself -> myself | 17:37 |
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| vks1 | pcarver, i had talked to igordcard regarding same | 17:38 |
| songole | igordcard: Not yet with GBP. But, we have a neutron usecase for a customer | 17:38 |
| songole | Regarding the use case, vks1 tried to insert an IPS device | 17:40 |
| igordcard | sorry I have to go right now, cya all, thank you | 17:40 |
| vks1 | igordcard, one sec | 17:40 |
| igordcard | I'll catch up on the meeting log later | 17:40 |
| vks1 | igordcard, will send u an email | 17:40 |
| vks1 | igordcard, as aggreed | 17:40 |
| vks1 | igordcard, ok | 17:40 |
| igordcard | vks1: right now destination mac addresses get rewritten, so you don't get proper BITW | 17:40 |
| igordcard | vks1: yep | 17:41 |
| vks1 | igordcard, yeah correct | 17:41 |
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| songole | igordcard: thanks for clarifying.. | 17:41 |
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| pcarver | So are we considering that a bug? | 17:42 |
| pcarver | Or a new use case? | 17:42 |
| vks1 | pcarver, new use case | 17:42 |
| LouisF | pcarver: it would be a new use case | 17:42 |
| vks1 | igordcard, i was trying to push this for few days | 17:42 |
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| songole | pcarver, LouisF: how do we go about addressing this use case? | 17:43 |
| pcarver | songole: are you planning to develop or just write the use case? | 17:43 |
| LouisF | vks1: currently the dest mac is used to steer packets to next hop port-pair | 17:43 |
| LouisF | in the ovs driver that is | 17:44 |
| vks1 | LouisF, yeah but that suits only L3 device | 17:44 |
| pcarver | If it's something that someone isn't already working on I think probably we should follow the Neutron process of starting with an RFE bug | 17:44 |
| vks1 | LouisF, I believe I have discussed this in mailing list with you | 17:44 |
| songole | pcarver: ok. I will create one | 17:45 |
| songole | regarding IDS use case where pkts need to be copied and sent to the port pair | 17:45 |
| LouisF | pcarver: agree this can be handled by indicating that the SF is bitw and mac must not be modified | 17:46 |
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| songole | is there a provision in the APIs today.. | 17:46 |
| LouisF | vks1: i presume this applies to src mac and dest mac? | 17:46 |
| vks1 | LouisF, yeah SFC now rewrite mac as u mentioned but the IPS/IDS use case doesn't require modification | 17:47 |
| songole | LouisF: I believe just the dest mac | 17:48 |
| LouisF | there was a patch to add a sf-mode field to the port-pair parameter to handle this | 17:49 |
| LouisF | i think it was abandoned, but that can be re-used | 17:50 |
| vks1 | LouisF, can u point me ? | 17:50 |
| songole | LouisF: could you provide the link? | 17:50 |
| LouisF | vks1: i will check on that | 17:50 |
| vks1 | LouisF, ok | 17:50 |
| LouisF | i think pavel wrote the patch | 17:51 |
| songole | LouisF: thanks. Any suggestions for IDS insertion? | 17:52 |
| LouisF | songole: elaborate the requirement | 17:52 |
| songole | ok. IDS is not an inline device, but is just an out of band inspection device | 17:53 |
| songole | It doesn't forward pkts to the next hop | 17:53 |
| songole | pkts need to be copied and sent to this SF | 17:54 |
| pcarver | songole: that's more of a mirroring than service chaining | 17:54 |
| pcarver | I don't know if we've looked at how networking-sfc interacts with networking-taas | 17:54 |
| pcarver | Ideally you'd be able to use both simultaneously, but I don't know if that works | 17:54 |
| songole | pcarver: ok. is networking-taas part of neutron tent just like neutron-sfc? | 17:55 |
| pcarver | songole: I believe so, more or less | 17:55 |
| songole | okay. We will explore it further. | 17:56 |
| pcarver | I don't follow networking-taas closely and don't remember whether it passed all the requirements for stadium inclusion | 17:56 |
| LouisF | songole: this can probably in handled in a similar fashion - a port-pair can be marked as "tap" | 17:57 |
| pcarver | LouisF: Do we support packet copy? They need duplication of packets, not just steering | 17:57 |
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| LouisF | if so, its behavior it to sent packet to | 17:58 |
| LouisF | SF ingress port and forward packet on to next hop in port chain | 17:59 |
| pcarver | networking-taas is specifically targetted at making copies of packets for tap use, but it looks like it's not a Neutron stadium project from the perspective of policy and governance | 17:59 |
| songole | pcarver: thanks for looking | 17:59 |
| LouisF | pcarver: i think this can be added as new port-chain feature without much difficulty | 18:00 |
| pcarver | It is an OpenStack project and specifically intended to work with Neutron, but doesn't appear to have passed the required criteria to be considered part of "Neutron Stadium" | 18:00 |
| pcarver | looks like we're out of time | 18:00 |
| LouisF | songole: these two freatures are independent ? | 18:00 |
| songole | LouisF: thanks. We can discuss further over email. | 18:01 |
| pcarver | I'm going to end meeting. Suggest that songole: create RFE bug and write up the full details of requirement | 18:01 |
| vks1 | LouisF, we can achieve but we need to extend apis | 18:01 |
| songole | LouisF: yes | 18:01 |
| LouisF | vks1: yes | 18:01 |
| pcarver | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2017/service_chaining.2017-03-02-17.04.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2017/service_chaining.2017-03-02-17.04.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2017/service_chaining.2017-03-02-17.04.log.html | 18:01 |
| LouisF | vks1: we can do that | 18:01 |
| vks1 | LouisF, will send u an igordcard email regarding same | 18:01 |
| pcarver | you can also continue discussing in networking-sfc channel. I've got to get to anohter meeting | 18:02 |
| LouisF | pcarver: ok | 18:02 |
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