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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 12 13:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today> | 13:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | s/>/?/ | 13:00 |
| macsz | O/ | 13:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 13:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | let us start the meeting | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | gmann: thanks for running the meeting last week first | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | #topic priorities | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priorities (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:01 | |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/433037 | 13:02 |
| mriedem | i'll go through ^ today, i plan on reviewing the remaining specs for most of the day | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | not sure whether everyone understand the spec about remove scope check now :) | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: cool | 13:03 |
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| mriedem | i haven't looked at it since the updates were made | 13:03 |
| mriedem | but i never understood the original problem :) | 13:03 |
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| alex_xu | hah | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | the part of separate scope check is hard | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | but I think I got the point | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: anything more worth to talk? or just wait for review? | 13:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think just waiting for the review really | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | ok, cool | 13:05 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/policy-docs | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | the doc one is very progress | 13:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | the follow on spec I am not really targeting any more | 13:06 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, agree | 13:06 |
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| alex_xu | I think that is all for priorities, let us go to the open | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 13:07 |
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| alex_xu | we have a lot of deprecation API proposal now :) | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I have a spec that maybe should have been a priority | 13:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but its really later | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/later/late/ | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets do that after deprecations | 13:08 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ok | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/384261 | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | sdague: that needs one more +2 ^ | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/455896 | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | and one more for deprecated os-hosts API | 13:09 |
| mriedem | also, | 13:09 |
| mriedem | sort of, | 13:09 |
| sdague | yeh, I'll take a look post meeting | 13:09 |
| mriedem | macsz updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454332/ to include os-cloudpipe | 13:09 |
| mriedem | after a discussion with sdague and i about that one, | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | sdague: thanks | 13:09 |
| mriedem | to remove nova-cert, which os-cloudpipe depends on | 13:09 |
| mriedem | so it makes sense to also just deal with os-cloudpipe in that same change | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | +1 for os-cloudpipe | 13:10 |
| mriedem | as in +1 you love it? :) | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | also +1 for nova-cert :) | 13:10 |
| gmann | deprecated os-cloudpipe right ? | 13:11 |
| gmann | *deprecating | 13:11 |
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| alex_xu | wait, mriedem you mean deprecate the os-cloudpipe API? | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, yeah, killing htem both makes sense | 13:11 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: actual removal | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: +1 its nova-network only | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, right my mistake | 13:12 |
| mriedem | and it relies on nova-cert | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | this is removal | 13:12 |
| mriedem | nova-cert is going to be removed | 13:12 |
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| mriedem | os-certificates will fail | 13:12 |
| mriedem | os-cloudpipe uses nova-cert, so it's going to also be busted, so we might as well remove | 13:12 |
| mriedem | it's kind of an odd situation | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, thats probably the right call | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | I feel bad not being louder about the cloud-pipe deprecation, but its deprecated as part of nova-network anyways | 13:13 |
| gmann | yea it deprecated #link https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#cloudpipe-os-cloudpipe-deprecated | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, my bad | 13:14 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i feel the same | 13:14 |
| mriedem | we never formally deprecated with a microversion | 13:14 |
| mriedem | but it's going to be busted anyway | 13:14 |
| mriedem | hell, it's not tested, so it might already be broken | 13:14 |
| gmann | true | 13:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not sure I ever got that thing working 4/5 years go | 13:14 |
| alex_xu | do we need a microversion to adverties that? | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: so we are using a different return code to 404 | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | normally we would have to raise the min_version of the API | 13:15 |
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| alex_xu | advert a remove | 13:15 |
| mriedem | i'd just use the same thing for os-certificates, which is a 401 | 13:15 |
| mriedem | *410 | 13:15 |
| mriedem | in that spec | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:16 |
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| mriedem | macsz: might want a slight tweek in the spec there | 13:16 |
| mriedem | i left a comment | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: its a good point though, we could signal the removal, I am curious on sdague's thoughts on that, I remember he talked me away from that ledge before | 13:16 |
| mriedem | sdague was pro removal when we talked about this the other day, which resulted in the spec update | 13:16 |
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| sdague | yeh, I'm pro removal | 13:17 |
| alex_xu | :) | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | but what about a signal for the removal? | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | so you can detect a cloud that has it removed | 13:17 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: other than the 410? | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we have enough API changes that we will get a signal soon enough | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: like if higher than 2.42 it must be removed | 13:18 |
| sdague | sure, if you want to also mv signal, that's probably fine | 13:18 |
| sdague | it's probably easier to explain in the API docs as well | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | although the next API change we land after the removal will give us a signal for free I guess | 13:19 |
| mriedem | so we're doing 404 for deprecation or 410 for cloudpipe is gone? | 13:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | 410 | 13:19 |
| mriedem | and that's on the new microversion, or all? | 13:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure? | 13:20 |
| alex_xu | new microversion for cloudpiple and os-certificates return 410? | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | that works for me | 13:21 |
| mriedem | so i think for os-certs we are doing 410 for all microversions | 13:21 |
| mriedem | because the backing nova-cert service is going to be gone | 13:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | although after that microversion, we maybe want to return 404, but return 410 before that microversion | 13:21 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: you're confusing me | 13:21 |
| alex_xu | yes, new microversion for 410 in all version | 13:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | so if move min about that microversion, we would delete the handler code? | 13:21 |
| gmann | hummm | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: confusing my self too | 13:22 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: you're also confusing me | 13:22 |
| gmann | currently is it 410? | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | say its 2.42 | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | :) | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | if you request 2.41 we return 404 | 13:22 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: it has to be true for all versions | 13:22 |
| mriedem | 2.42 is the max in ocata | 13:22 |
| sdague | otherwise we can't delete the service | 13:22 |
| mriedem | os-certs is going to return 410 for ALL versions | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | hang on, I screwed up that text | 13:22 |
| mriedem | there is no new microversion | 13:22 |
| mriedem | that's why it's not in the spec | 13:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I think I just changed my mind | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we remove it, we return 410 | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats fine | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | now we could signal that with a new microversion | 13:23 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: so you agree with my statement? | 13:23 |
| gmann | and with 410 in all version we can basically delete the code right | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | so you know if its removed | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | ... but if we did that... | 13:23 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: but a new microversion implies 2.1 would work | 13:23 |
| mriedem | and it won't | 13:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | we could return 404 after that microversion | 13:24 |
| mriedem | the 410 tells you it's gone | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | such that if we raised the minimum ever, we could drop the code that returns 410 | 13:24 |
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| mriedem | i think we're splitting hairs here, | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: right 410 is needed for below where we remove it from the API | 13:24 |
| mriedem | i don't see the need for a new microversion of this | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I was thinking, say is 2.50 we remove it in | 13:24 |
| alex_xu | we needn't return 404 after that microversion, when min verison raise, it will be 404 in the future | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | 2.42 return 410 | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | 2.50 returns 404 | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | its just an idea, so we can delete more code later | 13:25 |
| mriedem | as alex_xu said, if we raise and it's gone, then it's just gone and it's 404 | 13:25 |
| mriedem | i'm more interested in what we're saying for os-cloudpipe, | 13:25 |
| mriedem | even though we just merged the spec | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 13:25 |
| alex_xu | ah I think I got johnthetubaguy point | 13:26 |
| gmann | so we maintain some code to return 410 basically | 13:26 |
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| gmann | and if we completely remove its going to be 404 | 13:27 |
| mriedem | yeah we're already doing that. when we originally talked about this spec, we suggested just deleting it which would be automatic 404 | 13:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann: yep, thats my thinking | 13:27 |
| gmann | johnthetubaguy: that's your point right? | 13:27 |
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| gmann | yea | 13:27 |
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| mriedem | so you're saying any microversion between 2.1 and 2.43+ would be a 410? | 13:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: thats my suggestion, yes | 13:28 |
| mriedem | 2.43 is the first one for pike | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, which ever version we do the change in | 13:28 |
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| sdague | so, honestly no, please no | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh way, that the wrong way around | 13:28 |
| mriedem | i don't see the point | 13:28 |
| mriedem | with the microversion that is | 13:28 |
| sdague | if we want to use 410 to signal that a thing was once here, and now will never be again | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | 2.1 to 2.43 is 410, its 404 after 2.43 | 13:28 |
| sdague | that's fine | 13:28 |
| mriedem | we return 410 for all microversions for os-certs, if you ever delete the code, then we get 404 for free | 13:28 |
| sdague | but just use it forever with a stub | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: OK, I was just trying to avoid the stub longer term, but thats overkill maybe | 13:29 |
| sdague | but using 410 and changing to 404 is just more pain | 13:29 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: the stub is going to be pretty small | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | it was more for the users, its logically no longer part of the API after a certain point | 13:30 |
| alex_xu | why we use 410, that is for another signal? | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | so 410 is to tell people the thing they thought was there is gone | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we did 404 they might think they typoed the URL | 13:30 |
| alex_xu | new microversion is also for that | 13:30 |
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| gmann | sdague: with 410 we do need ti maintain api doc etc saying its gone | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: 410 is for all old microversions too | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | ... so lets back up | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | drop the microversion signal and drop the 404 nonsesne | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can do the 410 thing now | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | and we can decide about 404 later, if the 410 turns out to be a pain | 13:31 |
| mriedem | yes, that was the plan | 13:31 |
| mriedem | plan = "we can do the 410 thing now" | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah +1 | 13:31 |
| mriedem | so we just talked in a big circle right? | 13:31 |
| sdague | yes | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | my bad | 13:32 |
| alex_xu | I think the user should check the API doc about what happened in the new microversion first, not raise the request version in his client code first | 13:32 |
| mriedem | ok, that's fine | 13:32 |
| mriedem | good to be on the same page | 13:32 |
| mriedem | so, | 13:32 |
| mriedem | getting back to os-cloudpipe, | 13:32 |
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| mriedem | were we going to do the same with 410 for all microversions? | 13:32 |
| mriedem | or deprecate with a 404 in a new microversion? | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: this is about the user that has their old code suddenly starting to fail, or just doesn't read the docs | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think lets do 410 for all microversions, for now | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats simplest | 13:33 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ah, right | 13:33 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: their old code would start failing anyway, | 13:33 |
| mriedem | because nova-cert is gone | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | this is just describing why its failing | 13:33 |
| alex_xu | ok, I got it, +1 for 410 | 13:33 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: "I think lets do 410 for all microversions, for now" for os-cloudpipe too you mean? | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | you didn't get the URL wrong, the API is dead | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yes | 13:33 |
| gmann | yes for 410 for all | 13:33 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: ok yeah i agree | 13:33 |
| mriedem | whew :) | 13:33 |
| sdague | yeh, this seems like it should be consistent | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 13:33 |
| mriedem | macsz: please update the spec to also point out that we'll return 410 for all microversions for os-cloudpipe like with os-certificates | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | they are both in the same situation | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | that might be my action now :( | 13:34 |
| mriedem | macsz: maybe also say something in there that we aren't going to be adding a new microversion for this | 13:34 |
| mriedem | to be clear | 13:34 |
| alex_xu | new microversion is for someone begin take care that in their client code? | 13:34 |
| mriedem | or johnthetubaguy :) | 13:34 |
| macsz | mriedem: will do, sorry for not being too talkative, driving to the office | 13:34 |
| mriedem | np | 13:35 |
| mriedem | probably shouldn't be in an irc meeting while driving... | 13:35 |
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| sdague | anyway... | 13:36 |
| macsz | stuck at railroad crossing atm :P | 13:36 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: what's next? | 13:37 |
| alex_xu | ok... | 13:37 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/api-no-more-extensions-pike | 13:37 |
| alex_xu | I will update the patches soon | 13:38 |
| alex_xu | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114736.html | 13:38 |
| alex_xu | ^ and I have note for remove some URL mapping, but no response, I guess people agree that | 13:38 |
| alex_xu | I think people notice that in the commit message also, just double check | 13:38 |
| mriedem | i dont think i understood it | 13:38 |
| gmann | agree. i think you mentioned in patch also | 13:38 |
| mriedem | i don't know what the atom publish protocol is | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 I think thats where I was lost | 13:39 |
| mriedem | POST /servers.:(format) GET /servers/detail.:(format) | 13:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | whats the ":(format)" bit really look like? | 13:39 |
| mriedem | i have to assume it's ok to remove support for that | 13:39 |
| alex_xu | ok, the double check is right :) | 13:39 |
| mriedem | we have never tested it | 13:39 |
| alex_xu | POST /servers.json | 13:39 |
| alex_xu | POST /servers.xml | 13:39 |
| alex_xu | but we didn't have xml now | 13:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh... | 13:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | bummer | 13:40 |
| alex_xu | and we have strange 'GET /servers/:(id)/edit' | 13:40 |
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| alex_xu | and '/servers/:(id)/tags/new' make the tag name as 'new' doesn't work, as I remember | 13:41 |
| alex_xu | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1615475 | 13:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1615475 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Unable to fetch the details of a keypair with name "new"." [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to manoj6030 (manoj2002) | 13:41 |
| alex_xu | ^ ah, that bug is for keypair with name 'new' | 13:41 |
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| mriedem | ok i'll ack the removal in the ML | 13:42 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: thanks | 13:42 |
| mriedem | done | 13:43 |
| mriedem | yw | 13:43 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: cool | 13:43 |
| alex_xu | that is all I have, anything more? | 13:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh, I had a thing | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | what was it... | 13:44 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ah, right, sorry | 13:45 |
| mriedem | something something policy | 13:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/454792 | 13:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/455629 | 13:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think tonyb has been swamped, so I started the capabiltiies discussion back up | 13:45 |
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| mriedem | on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455629/ i had expected to see amrith chiming in there | 13:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we kinda agreed on progress at the PTG, but it stalled | 13:45 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: is there time set asside in boston for this? | 13:45 |
| mriedem | but amrith has been busy | 13:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: unsure, I know the keystone PTL has lost travel funding | 13:46 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: I thought at the PTG we just said we'd do 3 things for horizon? | 13:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thats the spec | 13:46 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: see my email to the ML from yesterday about discovering if we can do volume extend - that would probably be a decent test for the capabilities one, | 13:46 |
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| mriedem | or live resize since that was the original thing we said we'd hold up for capabilities | 13:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: the 454792 one | 13:46 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok... so I was reading this the other day - http://blog.novatec-gmbh.de/the-problems-with-swagger/ | 13:47 |
| sdague | and kind of wondered why we aren't doing this with hypermedia | 13:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I have no idea what hypermedia is I guess, I should do more reading around that | 13:48 |
| sdague | bascially using the links: [] more effectively | 13:48 |
| mriedem | it certainly sounds exciting | 13:48 |
| sdague | the operations that a thing supports are listed as links | 13:48 |
| sdague | with rel="$action_name" | 13:48 |
| mriedem | didn't mordred tell us yesterday that he hated links? | 13:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: oh, right, I see now. back to the you only need the base URL, no URLs should be built thingy | 13:48 |
| sdague | mriedem: he did | 13:49 |
| mriedem | hmm, also, | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I think he hates them, because they get broken too easily | 13:49 |
| mriedem | how do we do an action link when our actions are the same link, with a different request body? | 13:49 |
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| mriedem | rather than POST /servers/{id}/createImage | 13:49 |
| mriedem | or whatever | 13:49 |
| sdague | mriedem: rel="reboot", href="...." | 13:49 |
| mriedem | oh, hrm | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh... | 13:50 |
| sdague | the rel field is effectively the capability | 13:50 |
| mriedem | but you still need to know the body right? | 13:50 |
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| sdague | mriedem: sure | 13:50 |
| mriedem | so does the link help you? | 13:50 |
| mriedem | besides just telling you the capabilities story for that server | 13:50 |
| sdague | given the actions post interface, it's definitely a bit minimal | 13:51 |
| sdague | but... I think the real question is establishing the next pattern of interfaces | 13:51 |
| sdague | because if we had less silly actions interface, it would go a longer way | 13:51 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: so for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454792/ do we actually plan on sorting this out in 24 hours? | 13:51 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: or do we make it a backlog spec? | 13:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, depends if we think that represents what we agreed at the PTG or not | 13:52 |
| alex_xu | sdague: will people construct the url request by the links in the client? or the links just for human reading? | 13:52 |
| mriedem | per my ML thread from yesterday, i feel like things could be nicer if we just stored capabilities for a compute node in the db for the api to lookup for fast fails, but it seems we've rejected that in the past | 13:52 |
| sdague | mriedem: I really want fast fail | 13:53 |
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| sdague | I'm also not sure why we wouldn't propagate them up to the db there | 13:53 |
| mriedem | sdague: well i think there is an easy way to do that, but it might be a temporary hack | 13:53 |
| mriedem | which db? api db? | 13:53 |
| mriedem | compute_nodes are in the cell db | 13:53 |
| sdague | ah | 13:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was assuming it goes in the instance record, as they are per instance, not per compute node | 13:54 |
| mriedem | the specific case is this volume extend thing, | 13:54 |
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| mriedem | the compute can either support volume extend or it can't, | 13:54 |
| mriedem | we have the compute driver capabilities dict already | 13:54 |
| sdague | so, I'm going to be honest, I think that with limits and policy changes in flight, capabilities seems like too much churn | 13:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | so for the crazier stuff, it gets affected by virt emulator choices | 13:54 |
| mriedem | i was thinking it'd be easy in the api to get the compute that the instance is running on, check it's capabilities dict to see if it can do volume extend, and if not just fail fast | 13:54 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: right there are wrinkles, i'm just thinking bare bones, like is there 0% chance this works | 13:55 |
| mriedem | if there is 0%, the api fails fast | 13:55 |
| mriedem | sdague: that's why i asked if this was backlog | 13:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: I am agreeing with you, I was just doing that in the instance record | 13:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I think at this point it should move to queens or backlog | 13:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there are too many questions here | 13:56 |
| alex_xu | reminds that 4 mins left | 13:56 |
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| mriedem | a good goal for pike might just be getting general agreement on the spec, | 13:56 |
| mriedem | with no code | 13:56 |
| mriedem | i have a feeling though, | 13:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that would be a good goal | 13:56 |
| mriedem | at some point with the capabilities stuff we're just going to have to do what we think works for nova - even though it sucks to say that | 13:56 |
| mriedem | but we've been talking about this since at least mitaka | 13:57 |
| mriedem | i think at the ptg, ironic said they would try some things and report back if they worked | 13:57 |
| mriedem | or if people hated them | 13:57 |
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| mriedem | although i might be thinking about the min microversion bump thing | 13:57 |
| mriedem | ironic is going to trailblaze everything | 13:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats were I thought we were with this too | 13:57 |
| sdague | so... related - some actual API proposal for the limits in keystone https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455709/ | 13:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: sweet | 13:58 |
| sdague | so now we get people to hate on it there, but I need some feedback to start evolving it to an agreed thing | 13:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the middleware and policy discussion just highlighed to me how out of sync we all are with the delgation story | 13:58 |
| mriedem | ok, remind me after the spec freeze if i haven't looked | 13:58 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: I also still don't really understand the volume type limit problem, so if you've got that in your head, that would be great | 13:59 |
| mriedem | 1 minute | 13:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: think per flavor limits, its basically the same thing, but we should talk about that | 13:59 |
| mriedem | i can feel alex_xu stressing | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | yea | 13:59 |
| * johnthetubaguy nods | 13:59 | |
| johnthetubaguy | lets call it | 13:59 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: can we get on a hangout in a couple of minutes and talk about that | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | I can't read the English and watch the clock sametime | 13:59 |
| mriedem | haha | 13:59 |
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| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| hrw | o/ | 15:58 |
| spsurya_ | hrw: will get start noti | 15:59 |
| inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 12 15:59:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:59 |
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| inc0 | #topic w00t for Kolla | 15:59 |
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| berendt | O/ | 15:59 |
| duonghq | o/ | 15:59 |
| inc0 | o/ | 15:59 |
| spsurya_ | woot | 15:59 |
| egonzalez | w00t o/ | 15:59 |
| sdake | o/ | 16:00 |
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| spsurya_ | oOo/ | 16:00 |
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| mandre | o/ | 16:01 |
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| inc0 | since we have busy schedule I'll move on | 16:01 |
| inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:02 |
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| inc0 | I have one "help your project" request | 16:02 |
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| inc0 | we'll hold hands on workshop for deploying kolla-ansible in Boston | 16:02 |
| inc0 | and we'll need mentors in room to help workshopers deal with issues | 16:03 |
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| inc0 | so if anyone is interested in helping, please let me know after meeting | 16:03 |
| sdake | inc0 who is leading? | 16:03 |
| inc0 | I do | 16:03 |
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| sdake | your leading the workshop? | 16:03 |
| inc0 | yes | 16:03 |
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| sdake | is it the 2 hour lab thing? | 16:03 |
| inc0 | yes | 16:03 |
| sdake | cool count me in iif my schedule doesn't conflict | 16:03 |
| inc0 | thanks | 16:03 |
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| inc0 | ok moving on | 16:04 |
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| mnaser | im in as well | 16:04 |
| mnaser | barring schedule conflicts | 16:04 |
| inc0 | #topic protocore (an onramp to core reviewer) (pbourke) | 16:04 |
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| inc0 | agg | 16:04 |
| inc0 | sorry one more announcement | 16:04 |
| inc0 | very important to me | 16:04 |
| inc0 | recently it came to my attention that some of us have issues with visa entry to US for summit/ptg | 16:05 |
| inc0 | if you are affected, please let me knw on email | 16:05 |
| inc0 | inc007@gmail com | 16:05 |
| spsurya_ | +1 | 16:05 |
| inc0 | I'm trying to asses scale of this issue to make sure we're not locking out anyone from discussion | 16:06 |
| inc0 | ok, let's get back to meeting | 16:06 |
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| inc0 | so protocore, pbourke sdake you have the floor | 16:06 |
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| pbourke | so, sdake had asked me to cover this, but it seems like he's around? | 16:06 |
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| sdake | pbourke go ahead an dcover it - i'm in training sort of | 16:06 |
| pbourke | ok | 16:07 |
| pbourke | so sdake just brought this up earlier today, we dont have all the details but, | 16:07 |
| inc0 | I can do it if you guys want | 16:07 |
| qwang | o/ | 16:07 |
| inc0 | and sdake you can correct me | 16:07 |
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| pbourke | the idea came about of having an onboarding program for new core reviewers | 16:08 |
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| pbourke | so we wanted to see if people think this is a good or bad idea | 16:08 |
| berendt | Good one. | 16:08 |
| sdake | pbourke i dont know that everyone has heard the idea ;) | 16:08 |
| spsurya_ | +1 for idea | 16:08 |
| inc0 | so I think it's wonderful idea, question I'm still strugglign with is how exactly will that look like | 16:09 |
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| pbourke | summary is people who would like to be core reviewers will be added to a group. During a certain period a +1 from members of this group will count as a +2 | 16:09 |
| pbourke | if a trial core +1's and a current core disagrees, it is the responsibility of the core to explain why in additional detail | 16:10 |
| mnaser | i agree with it | 16:10 |
| kfox1111 | I think the idea is they count as 1 of the +2's needed to wf. but can't be both. | 16:10 |
| sdake | kfox1111 right | 16:10 |
| sdake | kfox1111 also trials don't have capability to +2 or +w a review | 16:10 |
| sdake | they are in "training" | 16:10 |
| pbourke | apparently nova are currently doing this, so it would be good to get some detail from them | 16:10 |
| inc0 | my question for this would be - if core seconds with +2 do we merge with single +2? I'm on the fence with this | 16:11 |
| berendt | I think we should not remove the second +2. | 16:11 |
| sdake | inc0 yup it is a reasonable concern because it places more responsibility on core reviewers then theey already have | 16:11 |
| pbourke | personally, I'm not sure this is actually necessary. That said, I think it could be a nice entry path for people, as kolla and kolla-ansible in particular are short on cores lately imo | 16:11 |
| sbezverk | +1 not remove second +2 | 16:11 |
| sbezverk | at least at the beginning | 16:12 |
| mnaser | i think it would be best to have an "agreement" on those protocores that they do not do +w | 16:12 |
| mnaser | but they can do +2 | 16:12 |
| kfox1111 | even if it doesn't remove the second +2, it might alow existing cores to prioritize those reviews, | 16:12 |
| kfox1111 | getting them in faster, and building up the protocore's knowlege to the point where more cores are grown faster. | 16:12 |
| sdake | nova doesn't permit protocores to +w or +2 a review | 16:12 |
| mnaser | so a protocore +2 + core +2 can only be wf'd by that 2nd core (or a 3rd core) | 16:12 |
| inc0 | yes, in this case that's totally fine, we keep 2*+2 and just put more pressure on explaining why we didn't +2 | 16:12 |
| sdake | they just arne't in the gerrit g roup | 16:12 |
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| berendt | Is it not possible to have a group that can give +2 without being able to approve a review? | 16:12 |
| pbourke | have we seen a case were a new core reviewer performed sub standardly? I would say no... | 16:12 |
| sdake | berendt I am not sure if that is possible but it may be | 16:13 |
| inc0 | no, but that's because we have high standards for cores | 16:13 |
| sdake | berendt that would be a great solution to the 2 +2 problem :) | 16:13 |
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| inc0 | so I have 2 different approaches to this, one is already being in nova for some time | 16:13 |
| kfox1111 | pbourke: the bar has been high for cores in the past, so few mistakes are made. | 16:13 |
| inc0 | that being = mentorship | 16:13 |
| pbourke | ok makes sense | 16:13 |
| sdake | kfox1111 the thing is protocores aren't voted on | 16:13 |
| sbezverk | sdake: I think the main idea is not looking for a short cut to 2x+2 issue but to motivate people to be more active | 16:14 |
| sdake | kfox1111 however we expect people to learn how to become a core reviewer without training them | 16:14 |
| sdake | this magic incantation stage - is very diffficult | 16:14 |
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| inc0 | hence mentorship | 16:14 |
| inc0 | every core can become a mentor for non-core, or protocore | 16:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | sbezverk, +1 | 16:14 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: yeah. this is a way to help train reviewers to be cores. it makes sense to me. | 16:14 |
| sdake | yup - and the wayt o be mentored is to be excited that your review actually matters | 16:14 |
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| kfox1111 | so... | 16:15 |
| inc0 | sdake: but I'm not ready to remove need for 2*+2 | 16:15 |
| sdake | mentorship is a two way street :) and requires interest form both aprties | 16:15 |
| kfox1111 | shoudl each protocore be assigned to 1+ core officially? | 16:15 |
| sbezverk | inc0: +1 for not removing it | 16:15 |
| sdake | we could offer protocorss +2 but not +w | 16:15 |
| inc0 | then this mentor core can just +2 his mantees change | 16:15 |
| sdake | protocores rather | 16:15 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: yeah, I think we have enough cores now ,that a core can ask another core for a priority review to deal with the +2. | 16:15 |
| sdake | the nultimately teh responsiblity of the core reviewer is preserved | 16:16 |
| inc0 | and mantee will have trusted core to either ask for review and get +2 or ask for feedback | 16:16 |
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| sdake | lets ask the quesiton | 16:16 |
| sdake | who would be interested in participating as a protocore | 16:16 |
| kfox1111 | protocors with +2 but not wf sounds very much like what google does. | 16:16 |
| sdake | can we get a liset? | 16:16 |
| kfox1111 | they have cores, and approvers. | 16:16 |
| inc0 | sdake: let me ask this clearly - are you suggesting merging changes with just single +2 and +1 from protocore? | 16:17 |
| kfox1111 | cores make sure the code is up to snuff. aprovers make sure the code fits in the overall archetecture properly. | 16:17 |
| sdake | no, I'm suggesting adding +2 ability to a protocore, and merging based upon 2 +2s and a +w from a core reviewer | 16:17 |
| inc0 | so it doesn't changing anything really, we still merge with 2*+2 from cores | 16:17 |
| sdake | in fact ithink berendt suggested that :) | 16:18 |
| sbezverk | sdake: but if you give +2 protocore it is not the same as 2x+2 from cores | 16:18 |
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| sbezverk | so you relaxing quality checks | 16:18 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: right. | 16:18 |
| kfox1111 | that is the risk in it. | 16:18 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: I do not think it is right | 16:18 |
| sdake | sbezverk i think the tradeoff is worth it to train the next gen of core reviewers | 16:18 |
| jascott1_ | can two protocores +2 a single issue? | 16:18 |
| sdake | jascott1_ nada | 16:19 |
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| sdake | jascott1_ they could but always takes a core reviweer to +w any change | 16:19 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: yeah, I get the risk. the risk in not having enough cores is also a problem. | 16:19 |
| jascott1_ | sdake the system prevents it? | 16:19 |
| inc0 | ok...so thing we want to solve is training | 16:19 |
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| kfox1111 | it seems like the short term solution and long term solution may be different. | 16:19 |
| jascott1_ | ah ok | 16:19 |
| inc0 | and I'd suggest more official mentorship program for that | 16:19 |
| inc0 | at least for start to see if that's work | 16:19 |
| sdake | this is that inc0 | 16:19 |
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| inc0 | no sdake, not exactly | 16:19 |
| sdake | nova is anal anal retentive about reviews | 16:20 |
| inc0 | by mentorship I mean each protocore will have mentor (known by name) | 16:20 |
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| sdake | yet they permit a protocore to count as a +2 | 16:20 |
| sdake | are we more anal then nova about reviewing? | 16:20 |
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| inc0 | sdake: we are different project and we deal with our policies differently | 16:20 |
| sdake | inc0 i get that | 16:20 |
| sdake | inc0 we generally have pretty lax policies in comparison to other projects | 16:20 |
| sdake | not more stringent | 16:20 |
| inc0 | what I *do not* want to do is to rush issue that could potentially lower our quality | 16:21 |
| kfox1111 | the one issue I see is, | 16:21 |
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| kfox1111 | nova's pretty stable at this point. not so many breaking architectural changes. | 16:21 |
| sbezverk | sdake: maybe because nova is not ivolving that rapidly as we, they can afford it | 16:21 |
| inc0 | I'm not saying it's bad idea, I'm saying let's spend some time exploring and thinking about problem | 16:21 |
| kfox1111 | kolla-kubernetes is changing a lot. | 16:21 |
| kfox1111 | so the risk of paches going in that break things are higher. | 16:21 |
| kfox1111 | yeah | 16:21 |
| jascott1_ | so do cores tap protocores that they see potential in or do protocores sit in the snow outside temple for period of time? | 16:21 |
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| inc0 | kolla-ansible is somewhere in between | 16:22 |
| sdake | we have until september to shake out kolla-kubernetes kfox1111 | 16:22 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: +2 that is why we need to be extra cautios | 16:22 |
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| inc0 | since nova still have hard spec process | 16:22 |
| inc0 | which means changes have lots of context, we don't follow specs | 16:22 |
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| duonghq | I think kolla-images is quite stable in arch | 16:22 |
| inc0 | so our volitality is higher for new changes | 16:22 |
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| sdake | lets have a summary of where we agree and disagree | 16:22 |
| sdake | inc0 can you do that plz? | 16:22 |
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| inc0 | not yet, I feel we didn't explore different ideas to solve the problem | 16:23 |
| inc0 | can we start ML thread? | 16:23 |
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| sdake | indeed | 16:23 |
| inc0 | thanks | 16:23 |
| inc0 | I'm not saying it's bad idea | 16:23 |
| inc0 | in fact I totally support idea in general | 16:24 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah. that would give other projects that may be struggling the ability to discuss too. | 16:24 |
| inc0 | it's details of implementation that I want to get sorted out before we agree/disagree | 16:24 |
| sdake | your focused on implemetnation - I have one quesiton | 16:24 |
| sdake | do we agree to the following | 16:24 |
| sdake | 1) we have folks that want to be core reviewers | 16:24 |
| sdake | 2) they dont know how to become core reviewers | 16:25 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 16:25 |
| inc0 | totally | 16:25 |
| sdake | 3) the core reviewers will mentor these protocores on how to become core reviewers | 16:25 |
| inc0 | yup | 16:25 |
| sdake | 4) they should be incentivized in some wya to know that their voice matters | 16:25 |
| sdake | (vs a drive by reviewer) | 16:25 |
| inc0 | soooo here's where I want to stop (4) | 16:25 |
| sbezverk | sdake: incentive should not impact the quality | 16:26 |
| inc0 | *everyones* voice matters | 16:26 |
| sdake | i am actuallly done | 16:26 |
| sdake | :) | 16:26 |
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| sdake | sup rwallner | 16:26 |
| sdake | rwellum that is :) | 16:26 |
| inc0 | not just core or protocore | 16:26 |
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| sdake | sbezverk the incentive is to learn how to become a core reviewer | 16:26 |
| inc0 | I want to break this perception that you need to be core for your voie to matter | 16:27 |
| sdake | part of that is taking the responsibility of reviewing properly | 16:27 |
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| inc0 | and adding new layer of "priviledged" will not help imho | 16:27 |
| sdake | sbezverk the incentive isn't the ability to +2 a review | 16:27 |
| inc0 | but again, let's have ML discussion | 16:27 |
| sbezverk | sdake: I think the way to become core is to be more active | 16:27 |
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| inc0 | I'm in full support of having cleared path to core | 16:27 |
| rwellum | hi sdake sorry about my lateness, it's at the wrong time on my calendar | 16:27 |
| sbezverk | if you do not want to be active then, you just not ready for the core | 16:27 |
| sdake | sbezverk we need to WRITE DOWN how to beomce a core reviewer | 16:28 |
| sdake | there are people that actively want it yet dont know how to obtain it | 16:28 |
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| sbezverk | sdake: easy more reviews and more contribution :) | 16:28 |
| sdake | rwellum DST FTL :) | 16:28 |
| jascott1_ | sdake agree. documenting expectations would be nice as well | 16:28 |
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| sdake | sbezverk how do you do a good review? | 16:28 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: I think the main disconnect is, | 16:28 |
| kfox1111 | people need to revew stuff, | 16:28 |
| sdake | kfox1111 right - and they dont know *how* | 16:28 |
| kfox1111 | and cores need to be able to notice enough quality reviews from a person are happening to suggest promotion. | 16:29 |
| inc0 | sdake: I tihnk it's less about how and more about "voice matters" | 16:29 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: frequency helps with that. | 16:29 |
| inc0 | ok, I'll cut us here | 16:29 |
| kfox1111 | if they reveiw something, and say +1, and then a core -1's it, there's a learning opertunity. | 16:29 |
| inc0 | this is important and we need discussion across community | 16:29 |
| kfox1111 | eventually the reviewers learn what to look for. | 16:29 |
| inc0 | so please, let's start ML thread | 16:29 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: yeah. | 16:29 |
| sdake | yes although we are squandering it by not teaching the new potential core reviweeer | 16:29 |
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| sdake | ml it is | 16:30 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: I don't disagree. | 16:30 |
| inc0 | thank you | 16:30 |
| inc0 | moving on | 16:30 |
| inc0 | #topic kolla devstack (pbourke) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454690/ | 16:30 |
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| sdake | kfox1111 if you dont disagree, you could say ou agree ;) | 16:30 |
| pbourke | so, just wanted a brief discussion on this | 16:30 |
| inc0 | sdake: at this point it's not that we agree or not, it's how we implement it | 16:30 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: assumed boolean. ;) | 16:30 |
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| kfox1111 | right. | 16:31 |
| sdake | thanks pbourke :) | 16:31 |
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| pbourke | it came up quite a while ago that people would like to see kolla as a viable replacement for devstack | 16:31 |
| inc0 | ahh, we're here at last | 16:31 |
| inc0 | it was lingering idea around | 16:31 |
| kfox1111 | an interesting idea. | 16:31 |
| pbourke | I've put up a patch for a possible implementation, but would like to get some ideas on whats needed and whether this can even work | 16:31 |
| inc0 | there is few immmediate benefits for that | 16:31 |
| inc0 | 1. multinode is assumed from start so will allow people to do better testing of multinode code | 16:32 |
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| inc0 | 2. you'll be able to run upgrades from latest master to your codebase to ensure upgrades aren't breaking | 16:32 |
| pbourke | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454690/ | 16:32 |
| kfox1111 | I can think of 1 major benifit and 1 major drawback right away from the idea. | 16:32 |
| pbourke | kfox1111: the benefit is you dont have to use devstack :p | 16:33 |
| kfox1111 | the beinifit is its closer to what operators would want to use, so devs will see operator problems sooner. | 16:33 |
| kfox1111 | the drawback is, it will potentially be more work for devs to do quick dev changes repeatedly to work on a ps. | 16:33 |
| inc0 | kfox1111: second one is fixable | 16:34 |
| inc0 | by making it easy | 16:34 |
| pbourke | I've been using the above patch the past day or two to work on a heat change and its quite easy to work with | 16:34 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: yeah. its solvable. but non trivial. | 16:34 |
| pbourke | you make a change and restart the container, same as you'd restart a process | 16:34 |
| inc0 | will require code and good ideas | 16:34 |
| Jeffrey4l | there one issue in this implementation. what if the end-user changed the database schema, or add a new python dependency? | 16:34 |
| inc0 | and I think this is what this change is about | 16:34 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l: rebuild of container should be way to go | 16:35 |
| Jeffrey4l | others LGTM | 16:35 |
| pbourke | inc0: you dont need to rebuild | 16:35 |
| pbourke | inc0: in most cases | 16:35 |
| kfox1111 | pbourke: can you put in a document describing how that flow works into the ps? | 16:35 |
| kfox1111 | I think that might help a lot. | 16:35 |
| pbourke | kfox1111: sounds good | 16:35 |
| inc0 | also, this will require a lot of howtos | 16:35 |
| inc0 | and some code in or codebase | 16:35 |
| kfox1111 | it may be easy. its just not obvious to me. | 16:36 |
| sbezverk | devstack for the time of its existance, produced lots of useful scripts developers got used. absense of these scripts on kolla side might delay adoption it as devstack replacement.. | 16:36 |
| inc0 | I starred this review, will throw some ideas I've been playing with over the time | 16:36 |
| inc0 | sbezverk: but also has a lot of baggage | 16:37 |
| inc0 | for example it's not easy to test upgrades | 16:37 |
| pbourke | i haven't used devstack in a long time so if people are used to it I'd be interested in what parts of the workflow they need the most | 16:37 |
| inc0 | and it will take over your node | 16:37 |
| inc0 | where kolla can be quickly removed | 16:37 |
| sbezverk | inc0: right but when you do not have a spare t-shirt it is not very conveneient ;) | 16:37 |
| inc0 | devstack can't | 16:37 |
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| pbourke | right now I can guarantee there are people execing into containers and making changes | 16:37 |
| pbourke | so anything is better than that | 16:37 |
| Jeffrey4l | as a certain project developer, for example horizon, who can use kolla to set up whole stack quickly. | 16:38 |
| inc0 | and tear it down quickly | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | better than devstack. | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | yep. | 16:38 |
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| inc0 | and deploy it prod-like | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | this direct is meaningful ;) | 16:39 |
| inc0 | #action check pbourke's review and throw ideas to the basket | 16:39 |
| pbourke | thanks inc0 sounds good | 16:39 |
| pbourke | thats it from me | 16:40 |
| inc0 | thank you Paul for taking this work, it's been whispered around for few years already;) | 16:40 |
| inc0 | ok moving on | 16:40 |
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| inc0 | #topic tagging of images for automatic pushes to dockerhub (inc0) | 16:40 |
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| inc0 | soo..we are close to create auto publisher of images | 16:40 |
| inc0 | after merge image will be pushed to dockerhub | 16:40 |
| inc0 | issue is tagging these images | 16:41 |
| inc0 | today we tag with github tag | 16:41 |
| inc0 | and I think this is good and proper behavior | 16:41 |
| inc0 | so 4.0.0 image tag corresponds with 4.0.0 git tag | 16:41 |
| inc0 | but having images from HEAD of each stable branch+master will not follow this tagging | 16:42 |
| inc0 | should not at least | 16:42 |
| inc0 | so I see few options here, none of which are perfect | 16:42 |
| berendt | We could simply use the first part of the git hash. | 16:43 |
| inc0 | 1. we create whole new set of tags, for example nova-api:ocata | 16:43 |
| inc0 | berendt: negative, if someone would like to keep upgrading their env to HEAD of stable, which is good use case | 16:43 |
| inc0 | that would be horrible experience | 16:43 |
| pbourke | plus you'd end up with thousands of tags very soon | 16:44 |
| Jeffrey4l | berendt, git hash will generate lots of useless images. | 16:44 |
| mnaser | on a semi-related note, i had an interesting discussion with dmsimard a while back about this about tagging and he mentioned that it would be interesting to look at the image tag to be a version that corresponds to the version of the software in the container (e.x: nova-api:14.0.0) rather than nova-api:4.0.0 (which is the kolla version) | 16:44 |
| berendt | Using hashs in CI currently, there it is working pretty good. | 16:44 |
| pbourke | mnaser: how do you then map that to the appropriate kolla version though | 16:44 |
| inc0 | mnaser: so if we use release codename that would be quite easy to figure out | 16:44 |
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| inc0 | berendt: because nobody needs to upgrade their globals.yml every time hash changes;) | 16:45 |
| Jeffrey4l | mnaser, for current implementation in kolla, this is hard ( kolla build all images rather one of images) | 16:45 |
| mnaser | yeah, release codename is really easy too, i agree inc0 .. pbourke, interesting issue but the idea was: kolla 4.0.0 bits were used to generate nova-api 14.0.0 | 16:45 |
| mnaser | so the bits themselves are those of nova-api 14.0.0, the code used to build it was 4.0.0 | 16:46 |
| pbourke | why cant we use the branch name again? | 16:46 |
| inc0 | problem with release name would be automatic tagging detection aka pbr | 16:46 |
| kfox1111 | I think the 4.0.0 thing is not quite right. | 16:46 |
| berendt | Using the release number of Nova does not currently work because we only define one version in the globals file. | 16:46 |
| kfox1111 | I think it should tag based on updates. | 16:46 |
| Jeffrey4l | i do not think use the nova-api:14.0.0 is better. it cause another issue that which cinder version should i use? | 16:46 |
| inc0 | on the bright side...globals.yml openstack_release will point to actual release;) | 16:46 |
| kfox1111 | so, 4.0.0-1, 4.0.0-2, 4.0.1-1, etc. | 16:46 |
| mnaser | Jeffrey4l the appropriate cinder version for that release. but branch names works for me except i think that will generate a huge churn | 16:46 |
| kfox1111 | aliases can be made for 4.0.0-2 to 4.0.0 in case people don't want to care about atomic updates. | 16:47 |
| mnaser | i.e.: is nova-compute:ocata really stable/ocata? will we rebuild on every merge of every project? | 16:47 |
| inc0 | kfox1111: 4.0.0-2 would mean second commit after tag? | 16:47 |
| inc0 | mnaser: no, dailt | 16:47 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: I'm talking about stable not trunk. | 16:47 |
| inc0 | daily | 16:47 |
| Jeffrey4l | what issue are we talking and solving ;( | 16:47 |
| kfox1111 | tags would be for unversioned changes. | 16:47 |
| mnaser | i think i've created a different conversation, sorry | 16:48 |
| kfox1111 | so I guess for trunk, yeah, it would be incrementing the release, not the version. | 16:48 |
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| mnaser | going back to topic, nightly builds tagged with branch name for kolla seem reasonable | 16:48 |
| kfox1111 | but for stable, anything that causes any changes to the container that arn't a version change need to bump revision. | 16:48 |
| inc0 | kfox1111: well we still keep tagged images | 16:48 |
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| inc0 | as in once we tag, we push | 16:48 |
| Jeffrey4l | mnaser, yep, for branch image is useful. | 16:48 |
| kfox1111 | so, for example, shared libraries needing to update. | 16:48 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: versions are for bunches of patches "released". | 16:49 |
| kfox1111 | so, kolla 4.0.1 is a bug fix release to 4.0.0. | 16:49 |
| mnaser | now what if a change was introduced in stable/<branch> that needed something in $your_fav_kolla_deployment_tool ? | 16:49 |
| inc0 | kfox1111: but we also rebuild at that time | 16:49 |
| mnaser | now you deploy from the tagged branch but things break | 16:49 |
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| kfox1111 | but 4.0.1 built at 4/12/2017 is different then 4.0.1 built at 5/12/2017. | 16:49 |
| kfox1111 | due to security updates of base packages. | 16:50 |
| inc0 | kfox1111: agree, but we can't solve this in kolla | 16:50 |
| inc0 | in dockerhub at least | 16:50 |
| kfox1111 | so, the first should be 4.0.1-1 and the second 4.0.1-2. | 16:50 |
| kfox1111 | in dockerhub. | 16:50 |
| Jeffrey4l | kfox1111, this is not big issue, too. | 16:50 |
| mnaser | ^ i think that is the more fundamental issue which will help us answer the part for inc0's question | 16:50 |
| kfox1111 | Jeffrey4l: it is a big issue to folks wanting security updates. | 16:50 |
| inc0 | well, it's going to be big issue if we want to have same experience while pulling from dockerhub and building locally | 16:50 |
| Jeffrey4l | if you want security updates, just update all your containers. | 16:51 |
| kfox1111 | not being able to tag revisions means its hard to know whats updated and whats not. | 16:51 |
| kfox1111 | Jeffrey4l: thats a very costly thing to do with openstack. :/ | 16:51 |
| mnaser | i disagree, as an operator, if there was some sort of really big change that happened from 14.0.1 to 14.0.2 in nova and 4.0.0 happens to change on that deploy | 16:51 |
| kfox1111 | I want the ability to update only the stuff needed, when needed. | 16:51 |
| mnaser | $bad_stuff | 16:51 |
| inc0 | I agree with kfox1111 ops need to be able to selectively pick and chose containers | 16:51 |
| Jeffrey4l | otherwise, how to get the updates? | 16:51 |
| Jeffrey4l | kfox1111, it is hard to define *which* stuff need to be update. | 16:52 |
| inc0 | what I don't agree with you kfox1111 really is that ops that wants this type of control would use dockerhub... | 16:52 |
| kfox1111 | comparing whats running on your system, vs whats in the repo's is step 1 to solving it. | 16:52 |
| inc0 | I'd rather suggest keeping local registry and control your builds | 16:52 |
| kfox1111 | if the names are the same, you have no idea whats going on. | 16:52 |
| Jeffrey4l | if you wanna just update nova-api from 4.0.1 to 4.0.2, then just update nova_api_tag: variable | 16:52 |
| kfox1111 | if you see 4.0.0-1 is on your sytem, but 4.0.0-2 is released, now hyou know things. | 16:52 |
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| kfox1111 | and can start digging into why the change was made, and why you may or may not want to apply it. | 16:53 |
| Jeffrey4l | hrm are u talking daily build for kolla tag? | 16:53 |
| pbourke | kfox1111: that could maybe solved with labels | 16:53 |
| inc0 | also I don't want us to become effectively repository mgmt team for openstack | 16:53 |
| kfox1111 | Jeffrey4l: kind of. security updates. | 16:53 |
| pbourke | no other projects on dockerhub use that kind of tagging | 16:53 |
| Jeffrey4l | shouldn't the operator use self-build images? use hub.docker.com is danger. | 16:53 |
| inc0 | waaay beyond our capability | 16:53 |
| Jeffrey4l | at least, i will not do this.. | 16:53 |
| kfox1111 | pbourke: and many projects on docker hub are riddled with seciruty problmes. :/ | 16:53 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: its an autobuild thing. its not hard. | 16:54 |
| pbourke | kfox1111: im mainly talking about the official images | 16:54 |
| pbourke | kfox1111: which should serve as a reference | 16:54 |
| kfox1111 | pbourke: I am too. | 16:54 |
| kfox1111 | the reference images shoudl be secure. | 16:54 |
| inc0 | ok...so I suggest something different for now | 16:54 |
| kfox1111 | should not need to build the images themselves. | 16:54 |
| inc0 | we need to have both conversations | 16:54 |
| inc0 | but short term, let's figure out autobuild not-fully versioned | 16:55 |
| inc0 | and have discussion on version mgmt in general | 16:55 |
| kfox1111 | the revision's not hard to do. you just have to know what version was built last, | 16:55 |
| kfox1111 | and increment it by one before pushing. | 16:55 |
| kfox1111 | the infra for pushing is the hard bit. | 16:55 |
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| inc0 | I agree, but doing this on buildtime locally will be fun code to write | 16:56 |
| inc0 | and we need to do this on build time locally to have similar experience on local registry and dockerhub | 16:56 |
| inc0 | which for me is important | 16:56 |
| kfox1111 | +1. | 16:56 |
| kfox1111 | for folks that want to ci/cd it themselves, | 16:56 |
| inc0 | because again, we really suggest to build your own images | 16:56 |
| kfox1111 | they will need the same functionality. | 16:56 |
| kfox1111 | and again, will need revisions. | 16:56 |
| inc0 | this is how I'd run my prod anyway | 16:57 |
| kfox1111 | just driven by jenkins or whatever. | 16:57 |
| inc0 | ok, we're running out of time | 16:57 |
| inc0 | I'll start ML thread about both issues - 1. autotagging for HEAD for daily pushes to dockerhub | 16:57 |
| inc0 | and 2. general revisiion mgmgt | 16:57 |
| inc0 | mgmt | 16:57 |
| inc0 | or rather, do we agree with nova-api:ocata approach? | 16:58 |
| inc0 | for HEAD builds? | 16:58 |
| kfox1111 | for stable or just trunk? | 16:58 |
| inc0 | both | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | re nova-api:ocata, agree, but need tell the end-user, this is not stable. | 16:58 |
| inc0 | it's stable | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | and not recommended to use directly. | 16:58 |
| inc0 | anyway, we're out of time | 16:58 |
| kfox1111 | why not just nova-api:trunk? | 16:58 |
| inc0 | thank you all, let's move it to #openstack-kolla | 16:59 |
| inc0 | #endmeeting kolla | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 12 16:59:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-04-12-15.59.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-04-12-15.59.txt | 16:59 |
| Jeffrey4l | it is stable branch, but the image is not stable. because it is a daily build | 16:59 |
| kfox1111 | Jeffrey4l: we've been doing that already. and it has turned away users I think. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-04-12-15.59.log.html | 16:59 |
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