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rosmaitaCourtesy meeting reminder on #openstack-meeting-4: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat, aavraham, alex_bash14:00
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rosmaita#startmeeting glance14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 18 14:00:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance'14:00
rosmaita#topic roll call14:00
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rosmaitahi kairat!14:01
kairato/14:01
rosmaitaglad to see you back14:01
abhishekko/14:01
jokke_o/14:01
mfedosino/14:01
kairathello!14:01
jokke_kairat! \o14:01
jokke_kairat: how are you doing? Hope you're recovering well14:01
kairatjokke_, good i can't use my left arm14:02
rosmaitasorry to hear that14:02
abhishekkkairat: take care14:02
rosmaitabut definitely glad to see you back online14:02
rosmaitayou had us worried!14:02
kairatbut it seems it need more time to recover14:02
kairatthanks guys!14:03
rosmaitagood turnout today, but very light agenda14:03
jokke_kairat: those things might get years ... as long as there is change happening, the hope is not lost14:03
rosmaitawe can have lots of open discussion!14:03
jokke_\o/14:04
rosmaitamake up for all the meetings with 30sec open discussion14:04
rosmaitaok, here we go14:04
rosmaita#topic updates - post-summit report14:04
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rosmaitathe summit was last week14:04
rosmaitathis was the first time with no design sessions14:05
rosmaitasupposed to focus on users (operators and end-users) and get feedback14:05
rosmaitathe glance sessions were pretty well attended14:05
rosmaitawe had:14:05
rosmaita1 - glance onboarding - there were maybe 15 people plus some current glance contributors14:06
rosmaitahopefully we will get some contributors out of that14:06
rosmaitabe on the lookout for requests for help troubleshooting stuff in #openstack-glance14:06
rosmaita2 - glance update - maybe 30 people or so?14:07
jokke_ish yeah14:07
rosmaitapeople seem pretty happy with glance, believe it or not14:07
rosmaitai'll digress for a minute about something that came up, becasue my memory is a bit hazy14:08
rosmaitait had to do with fixing one of the OSSNs, the one where you can't purge the database14:08
jokke_well I can fill in two things14:08
rosmaitaok14:08
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jokke_setting image ID was pointed out to be critical at least by one operator so we should not break it (While Monty didn't even know about until recently and wasn't using it in his workflows)14:09
rosmaitayeah, that came up at the "how do you use glance?" session14:09
jokke_oh it was there, sorry14:10
rosmaitawe have a proposal to keep all the 'public' viz images in images table, not delete those during a purge14:10
* jokke_ tries to think what might have been on the update then14:10
rosmaitaone operator pointed out that they have way more public images than private images14:10
jokke_oh yeah and that was not liked by someone who is rolling insane amounts of public images in their cloud14:11
rosmaitaso it loooks like that won't solve the problem for that guy14:11
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rosmaitabut i couldn't remember what he thought we should do ... was it put a policy on the specify-a-uuid-on-image-create ?14:11
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jokke_yeah he was pro on killing the uuid setting for the images14:12
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rosmaitaso i think if we introduce the policy, and default it to '', that should be ok14:12
rosmaitawould be backward compatible, and allow operators to adjust for local usage14:12
rosmaitaon the other hand, it would be good to have a real solution to this problem14:13
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jokke_I'd prefer the later14:13
rosmaitakairat: mfedosin: do you know any heavy-duty database people?14:13
rosmaitathis can't be only our problem (though maybe it is)14:13
rosmaitawe just want to block uuid re-use14:13
rosmaita(except maybe by the admin)14:14
rosmaitabecause we'll have to save the uuids of any image that was ever public, not just images that were public at the time of deletion14:15
kairatrosmaita, nobody in mind, sorry14:15
rosmaitakairat: thanks14:15
rosmaitai'll put out an email to the dev list asking for help, then14:15
rosmaita#action rosmaita - email dev list about blocking uuid reuse14:16
mfedosinkairat: +114:16
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rosmaitaok, back to the update14:16
rosmaita3 - "how do you use glance?" - pretty well attended, nikhil posted a tweet with a video clip of the "packed room"14:17
rosmaita(actually about 1/2 full)14:17
rosmaitabut some lively discussion14:17
rosmaitapartly around uuid reuse, as jokke said earlier14:17
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rosmaitait's a functionality that is used and there will be great sadness if we remove it14:18
rosmaitabut also around "image lifecycle management"14:18
rosmaitawhich no one agreed on exactly what it meant, but everyone wants it14:18
jokke_Another thing that came up was that people are still waiting for the IIR work *wink**wink*14:18
rosmaitaoh, yeah ... that is quite true, they are counting on us getting that done14:18
rosmaitaso some operators there agreed to get together to propose a user story to the PWG (my preference) or to start a glance spec (which would be OK, but i think it would be better to know what's wanted before we start designing it)14:20
rosmaitawe'll see what happens14:20
jokke_++14:20
rosmaitafei long and i have a patch at the pwg that's about 2 years old, didn't get a lot of love14:20
jokke_main painpoint for them seems to be that they would like to retire images so that new instances couldn't be spawned easily from them but stuff like migrations would still work14:21
rosmaitabut that's about it for updates -- jokke_ or abhishekk or anyone else who was there, any other points?14:21
abhishekkrosmaita: you have covered almost all points14:22
rosmaitaok cool, i'll move on14:22
rosmaita#topic updates - personnel situation14:23
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rosmaitai am happy to see kairat and mfedosin here today!14:23
rosmaitadon't know if you know about the OSIC intel/rackspace project closing14:23
rosmaitahas left several cores and the PTL jobless, or without openstack jobs14:24
mfedosinyes, I'm aware about it14:24
mfedosinrosmaita: what about you?14:24
rosmaitastill looking14:24
rosmaitawant an openstack job that will let me work upstream without relocating, and that has not been easy to find14:25
rosmaitaparticularly for glance14:25
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rosmaitapeople seem to think it's working fine (except for image import, they want that), so not much commitment to working on it14:25
rosmaitaso i'm looking at other stuff too ... jokke_ has agreed to become emergency PTL if necessary14:26
rosmaitaand the TC is aware of the situation14:26
rosmaitabut anyway, my point in bringing this up is that there are openings on the glance core list for people who want to contribute for Pike14:27
rosmaita:)14:27
rosmaitadon't know what everyone's situation is with respect to having time on upstream glance work, though14:27
mfedosinit's tempting14:28
mfedosin:)14:28
rosmaitaso on that happy note, let's talk about image import14:28
rosmaita#topic image import update14:28
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rosmaitajokke_ pulled me into an alley in boston and kept me there until i reviewed his patches14:29
rosmaitanot sure what happened after that14:29
jokke_;)14:29
rosmaitajokke_: update?14:29
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jokke_one of them is still failing tests14:31
jokke_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443636/14:31
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jokke_the config change you merged and I need to get Flavio having look at that taskflow patch specially so that I haven't missed anything there14:32
rosmaitaok14:32
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rosmaitai'd like to either rebase or recheck 443636 to get fresh results to look at14:33
rosmaitawhich would be better?14:33
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jokke_I'm digging into that failure and working on the further changes to address some of the concerns and hardening the functionality14:33
rosmaitaok, ping me when it's updated, then14:34
rosmaita#topic open discussion14:34
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jokke_the errors on the tests looks legit, just can't figure out how they popped up right now14:34
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rosmaitaone quick thing from me, i need to look at where we are on the "community goals" and will report back next week14:35
rosmaitamtreinish picked up the wsgi goal14:35
rosmaitaalex_bash has left, don't think the py35 goal is completed yet14:35
jokke_I have not looked, how is the work looking, was he able to get the dependencies merged?14:36
rosmaita#action rosmaita - look at where we are on community goals before next meeting14:36
jokke_the py35 is not complete and I don't think we have anyone working on it14:36
rosmaitajokke_: i talked to mtreinish at the summit, he thought he had a way forward on that14:36
jokke_rosmaita: gr8!14:36
rosmaitayes, no one currently working on py3514:37
rosmaitai'm not sure what's left, need to look14:37
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rosmaitahopefully not too much14:37
rosmaitathat's all from me ... anyone else with open discussion topics?14:37
abhishekkis  python-glanceclient gate is broken?14:37
jokke_I think we merged the last patch of Alex after he changed the commit message to not claiming that the goal is achieved (as it disabled tons of tests on py35 to get the gating pass)14:38
rosmaitai guess that patch gives us a list of the tests that need to be fixed14:38
rosmaitai'll put together an etherpad to make it easy for interested parties to pick things up14:39
jokke_it should at least give us indication ... I think we need to search for the tests that are skipped on py35 and see if the list is complete or not14:39
rosmaitacould be a good thing for new contributors. learn about glance by fixing tests14:39
rosmaita(need to make that sound sexy, though)14:39
rosmaita#action  rosmaita - put together etherpad of py35 tests that are currently skipped14:40
rosmaitaok, i think i have enough to do for this coming week14:40
jokke_"Work on Glance, become fat, grumpy and disorganized like jokke_" ... oh wait, no that didn't sound like sexy marketing talk, right ;P14:40
rosmaitadepends on how you feel about fat, grumpy, disorganized people ... some people are probably really into that!14:41
rosmaitathere's probably a special dating service14:41
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rosmaitawe need to find it and advertise!14:41
jokke_;)14:42
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rosmaitabecome more sexy by working on glance!14:42
rosmaitawell, this channel is logged, so if someone by chance googles 'glance' and 'sexy', they will find this conversation14:42
rosmaitai think we should just declare ourselves the sexiest project in openstack and see what happens14:43
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rosmaitain fact, that will be the subject of my email about uuid reuse14:43
rosmaita[glance] the sexiest project in openstack14:43
jokke_yes ... is there "definitely-sexy" tag or do we need to contact tc?14:44
rosmaitajokke_: you def need to propose that to the TC!14:44
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rosmaitaeither that, or we just apply it to ourselves14:44
rosmaitasounds like a mfedosin patch, actually14:44
rosmaitalike the one he did introducing typos14:44
mfedosinI can revive it if you want ;)14:45
mfedosinand add even more typos!14:45
jokke_ok, should we take that 15min we have left and do something productive with it?14:45
jokke_like end the meeting14:45
rosmaita"Potential contributors are having difficulty determining what projects to work on.  We propose to fix that with the tc:definitely-sexy tag"14:45
rosmaitaok, enough silliness14:46
jokke_;)14:46
rosmaitaok, thanks for attending, everyone ... anyone who wants to help with image import refactor, ping jokke_ , he can tell you what needs attention14:46
rosmaitaany final business?14:46
jokke_\o/14:46
rosmaitaok, hearing none, i declare this meeting ended ... have a productive rest of the day, everyone!14:47
rosmaita#endmeeting14:47
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sjmc7_#startmeeting openstack search15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 18 15:00:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sjmc7_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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TravTo/15:01
yingjun o/15:01
lei-zho/15:01
sjmc7_morning all15:01
Kevin_Zhengo/15:02
sjmc7_looks like everyone15:03
sjmc7_#topic Nova15:03
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sjmc7_i looked over https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-using-searchlight-to-list-instances and it looks like nova’s backed off integrating with SL for now?15:03
Kevin_Zhengdidnt got chance to read the details yet15:04
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Kevin_Zheng:(15:04
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sjmc7_it reads like they’re going to do the cross-cell merging in python (nova-api?) and disable sorting15:05
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Kevin_ZhengYeah15:06
sjmc7_which is a bit of a shame, although not entirely unexpected given the lukewarm reception to the spec15:06
sjmc7_i still want to get the notification support in15:06
Kevin_ZhengYeah, that should be better for sl itself15:07
sjmc7_yeah, it’s much better performing15:08
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lei-zhespecially we can get rid of calling apis15:10
sjmc7_yeah, it makes a big difference. i haven’t had a change to look at the reviews from a couple of days ago but iwill try to do that today or tomorrow15:11
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sjmc7_it makes it a bit less urgent to enable the ability to see deleted instances but that’s still a nice to have15:11
sjmc7_#topic uwsgi15:13
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sjmc7_lei-zh: where’s https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456627/ at?15:13
lei-zhI'm working on removing magic port and use the way keystone and nova deploy their services15:15
lei-zhthat is, to deploy using uwsgi on port 8015:15
rosmaitasjmc7_: thanks for the goalpost change alert on that review, i missed that15:15
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sjmc7_rosmaita:15:15
sjmc7_yeah, there was some mailing list noise15:16
sjmc7_that i saw in passing15:16
lei-zhI think the most recent one is that nova is pushing to do that in their apis15:16
lei-zhhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/116263.html15:17
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sjmc7_lei-zh: when you say ‘deploy on port 80’ isn’t that down to whoever runs the server?15:17
lei-zhyeah, I mean in devstack setup will use port 80 instead of listening on 939315:18
lei-zhpeople can choose whatever they want in their setup, with wsgi app provided15:19
sjmc7_ok. i’m not familiar with the change they made to devstack; is there documentation/support for enabling services to run under wsgi?15:19
sjmc7_it threw me for a loop when it changed direction15:19
lei-zhthey have some patches, mainly on keystone, placement and nova15:20
lei-zhI'm looking at them to figure out a way15:20
lei-zhthere's one thing I have to dig into is if tls is enabled how they deal it with uwsgi15:21
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lei-zhotherwise things look good15:22
lei-zhbut yeah, it changes a lot comparing with what I originally did15:22
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sjmc7_yeah, it was a bit late and quiet that they changed their mind, but that’s the way things go. ok, i’ll keep an eye on it15:23
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rosmaitalei-zh: you may want to speak to mtreinish if you have questions, he's doing the goal for glance and seems to have a good handle on it15:24
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lei-zhrosmaita: thanks for the info, I'll have a look at how it's implemented in glance15:25
lei-zhis glance using uwsgi or stick to mod_wsgi way?15:26
rosmaitalei-zh: not sure, but i saw mtreinish comment on the "goalpost change" patch, so he's definitely aware15:26
rosmaitaalso, you may have to look at patches, not sure his changes have merged yet15:27
rosmaitabut i imagine he's doing uwsgi way15:27
lei-zhcool, thanks15:27
rosmaitahis problem has been getting the uploads in chuncked transfer encoding to work15:27
rosmaitabut i think he had most of the other stuff figured out15:28
sjmc7_*shudder*15:28
rosmaitayeah, the glance api is "special"15:28
rosmaitaand definitely sexy!15:28
sjmc7_i have spent many long days trying to diagnose chunking problems through proxies15:29
sjmc7_#topic open discussion15:30
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sjmc7_TravT and i were talking about cross-project searching yesterday15:30
sjmc7_there doesn’t seem to be any technical reason you couldn’t do it; you can ask keystone for all the roles a user has on projects15:31
TravTyes, searching across projects is very useful for even non-admins15:31
sjmc7_i didn’t know if there was a precedent for doign it anywhere else though, since it kind of goes against the way keystone middleware works15:31
sjmc7_but it seems like a really neat feature to have15:31
TravTwe have had some specific requests for it15:31
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sjmc7_yeah, it’s been mentioned over the years15:32
sjmc7_we cheat a bit in the admin case with all_projects15:32
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sjmc7_so i wondered if anyone knew of other projects that do anything similar, versus the typical model of authenticating against a single project15:34
Kevin_Zhengwell, we have a project doing it for networking15:35
sjmc7_internal? or upstream?15:35
Kevin_ZhengUpstream now15:35
Kevin_ZhengTricircle15:36
sjmc7_ah, ok. i will take a look15:36
Kevin_ZhengIt provides cross region service15:36
Kevin_ZhengBut I don't know the details15:36
sjmc7_ok. region is easier than project i think but i’ll take a look15:37
sjmc7_ok, i didn’t have anything else15:37
sjmc7_anyone else have anything burning they wanted to discuss?15:37
Kevin_ZhengIt was the PTL of this project asked me about cross region search one month ago if you guys remember15:37
sjmc7_yeah, i do. we have trialled cross region search in a couple of ways if he’s still interested15:38
Kevin_ZhengI will ask him:)15:39
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sjmc7_okey dokey. i didn’t have anything else, so i guess we’ll end it here unless anyone else does?15:42
lei-zhnope15:43
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sjmc7_ok. thanks all!15:44
sjmc7_#endmeeting15:44
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andymccr#startmeeting openstack_ansible_meeting16:01
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andymccr#topic rollcall16:01
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andymccro/16:01
d34dh0r53o/16:01
* mhayden wheeeeees16:01
andymccrhaha16:01
logan-\o16:01
* mhayden wheezes for d34dh0r5316:01
d34dh0r53whiz bang?16:02
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andymccrgive it a few more mins!16:03
palendaeo/16:04
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andymccrok lets get this ball rollin then!16:05
andymccr#topic review action items from last last week16:05
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andymccradd spec for hyper-converge - mhayden cloudnull16:05
* mhayden looks around and whistles16:07
andymccrmhayden: since you're here - i saw this work actually merged already. im kinda wanting to revert that - for 2 reasons: 1. we dont have an upgrade path for that atm, and 2. there are some concerns around running some services in the same containers - nova-conductor (db access) on the same container as nova-api (no db access) as an example.16:07
andymccrit would definitely be better to have a spec to start that one off16:07
andymccror at a minimum having an upgrade path that is considered and works16:07
mhaydeni agree with that16:07
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mhaydeni'm testing hyperconverged in prod in my OSA cloud ;)16:07
andymccrso the options im proposing to you & cloudnull - 1. revert that patch and then you can do the spec + work + upgrade path, or 2. add the upgrade path in before release time16:08
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andymccrim trying to avoid running around like a headless chicken near release time when upgrades are not functioning :P16:08
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andymccrmhayden: want to pick an option? :P16:09
andymccrfwiw i really like the idea - i think its a great move.16:09
andymccrbut it has to work for ugprades etc16:09
evrardjpagreed16:09
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andymccranother alternative would be to have set of the env.d files available to use if you want to - for new deploys or as an option of different architectures16:10
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mhaydenhmm16:10
evrardjpthat could be just a doc change16:10
mhaydenandymccr: i guess we can revert it and figure out a good way to do it going forward16:11
mhaydennot sure i have the cycles to devote to the upgrade work16:11
andymccrmhayden: ok i will handle the revert16:11
andymccrbut i think i'll move the current options out of the way into a directory that isnt used by default16:11
andymccrbecause i think the work is useful16:11
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andymccrok moving along!16:12
andymccrprod on the py35 requirements goal16:12
andymccrso - im guessing nobody is able to take this one on - i'm going to start looking at it, once i progress the uwsgi/nginx bits16:12
andymccrso tl;dr i';ll take that unless there is somebody else who wants to give it a go ;P16:13
andymccr#action andymccr revert hyperconverge patch16:13
andymccr#topic Boston Summit Recap16:13
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andymccrSO! Boston was really successful I believe - I have a blog writeup for that if anybody is interested16:13
andymccr#link http://blog.andy.mc.it/osa-boston-recap/16:14
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andymccrincluding links to some talks etc. so take a look if you're interested!16:14
andymccr#topic PTG 11-15 September - Denver, Colorado16:15
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evrardjpthanks for the blog post16:15
andymccrSo another reminder for everybody to start planning that one, its quite a way off now, but it'll be here sooner than you realise :P16:15
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andymccr#action everybody to start investigating options for the PTG 11-15 September in Denver16:16
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andymccr#topic Release planning and decisions16:16
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evrardjpdecisions?16:17
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andymccrPike Milestone 2 is coming up in the week of 5-9 June, which signals the membership freeze for Pike meaning new roles cant be part of a release after that point16:18
andymccrso if you have a role that you want released as part of Pike please make sure it's in by milestone216:18
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andymccrevrardjp: could be discussions :P could change in the wiki16:18
evrardjpdetails...16:19
andymccrOther than that - Ocata 15.1.3 and Newton 14.2.3 releases went out on Monday, so we'll be releaseing 15.1.4 and 14.2.4 in 2 weeks16:19
andymccrany changes that are needed, as always, let me know!16:19
andymccr#topic Blueprint work16:20
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andymccrok so the uwsgi/nginx bits - im updating that patch now that imback from the summit, and i'll be asking for more feedback personally from people who have shown interest16:20
andymccr#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458595/16:21
andymccrif you'd like to take a look!16:21
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andymccrbut we need to be moving forward with this soon, so i'll be pressing more intently soon :)16:21
cloudnullandymccr: I'll take on adding in the upgrade work16:21
cloudnullthat way you dont have to revert that pr16:21
andymccrcloudnull: ok cool16:22
* cloudnull sorry late to the party16:22
andymccrcloudnull: sounds good. i know odyssey4me has some concerns around co-locating certain services, so there may still be some pushback but as long as all is good and happy by release im ok with that16:22
* cloudnull sorry late to the party ++16:23
cloudnullhaa16:23
evrardjpI'd prefer we rollback and provide the two in one commit then?16:23
cloudnull^ I'd perfer not that16:23
cloudnull:)16:23
andymccri can make a revert that is essentially a "move out of the way" so the patch could just move it back in the way? happy medium? :P16:23
evrardjpelse if one doesn't make it we'll be split between two chairs.16:23
odyssey4meI'd prefer to see a spec agreed to which includes what co-locates with what.16:24
andymccrthe actual change is reasonably easy - the upgrade bits are harder.16:24
* d34dh0r53 registered an ELK blueprint, should we talk about that now or wait for open discussion?16:24
andymccrthe TL;DR from me is that it has to work at release, for upgrades - or else i will not be happy :)16:25
evrardjpI guess we're good for the revert and the spec + implementation including upgrade?16:25
odyssey4meand then the commit to do the change should include an upgrade fix to clean up anything left behind16:25
andymccrd34dh0r53: yeah definitely, want me to add it to the agenda as a weekly thing?16:25
d34dh0r53andymccr: sure16:25
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andymccrok lets figure out the upgrade bits + spec/revert/whatever we want to do after this then16:26
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d34dh0r53I'm 90% done with the role breakouts and upgrade to 5.x, really wondering where to land my work at this point.16:26
d34dh0r53whether I should go for roles within OSA proper or put it in openstack-ansible-ops16:27
logan-d34dh0r53: thats awesome to hear.16:27
evrardjpI'd be enclined to put it under the openstack-ansible umbrella directly16:27
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andymccrevrardjp: you mean a new set of roles?16:27
evrardjpyeah, why not, if they are respecting our standards?16:28
logan-how does milestone 2 role freeze stuff affect that if there's no hosts in the ELK groups by default (ie opt in only)16:28
andymccrlogan-: the only real impact is that it wouldnt be included in the release of OSA. the repo will still exist and we can sitll branch it etc, but when OSA 16.0.1 goes out (for example) it won't include ELK sha's16:29
d34dh0r53so it could live in ops for pike and become osa proper in Q16:29
odyssey4mehow do they compare to the roles we already have in the ops repo?16:29
andymccrso my only concern is recreating the wheel when there are already upstream roles for E/L/K individually16:29
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andymccrhappy to adopt the roles if we think thats a better approach - also i agree with evrardjp in that case. seems sensible to just adopt those roles as individual roles16:31
d34dh0r53I've switched to using the ansible-elasticsearch role from elastic.co for elasticsearch, we do a ton of custom filtering in logstash and filebeats working on kibana now.16:31
andymccrd34dh0r53: ahh awesome16:31
andymccrd34dh0r53: how do you integrate the upstream role?16:31
d34dh0r53it's a play that lives in openstack-ansible/playbooks in my dev environment16:31
andymccrd34dh0r53: that sounds great then ++ for getting those in. i can get the repo's created upstream for those roles and we can start moving that forward16:32
andymccrjust let me know what repos you need created16:32
d34dh0r53awesome! will do16:32
evrardjpwell if that's directly upstream we won't even need repos for those ones16:32
evrardjpso that's even better :D16:32
andymccrevrardjp: only elasticsearch is - logstash and filebeat are custom16:32
andymccrbecause its mostly just filters16:32
evrardjpyeah that's what I understood16:32
andymccryeah so we'd just need 2 roles at that point i think16:32
evrardjpbut maybe filters would be vars to existing roles16:33
d34dh0r53also, could use suggestions on naming the roles, at this point I have elk-logstash, elk-filebeats and elk-kibana16:33
evrardjpin any way, good work!16:33
andymccrjust openstack-ansible-kibana/filebeat/logstash?16:33
andymccralthough kibana seems like it may be upstreamable too16:33
d34dh0r53that works16:33
andymccrat least reasonably easily16:33
evrardjp+1 andymccr16:33
d34dh0r53yeah, I'll know about kibana today16:33
andymccrsweet16:33
evrardjpd34dh0r53: do you think it's possible to collaborate with IBM on the kibana dashboards?16:34
evrardjpthere was a presentation at the summit IIRC16:34
d34dh0r53absolutely, I didn't know that16:34
andymccryeah their dashboard looked pretty nice16:34
logan-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcKIBVOnVvo16:34
andymccrsweet - thanks d34dh0r53. ping me and let me know what repos you need.16:34
andymccrlogan- cloudnull any other thoughts?16:35
d34dh0r53will do, thanks all16:35
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logan-yes one thing16:35
evrardjpthat would be really cool to have only upstream roles and maintain them ourselves :)16:35
andymccrevrardjp: agreed16:36
* cloudnull reading16:36
evrardjpand not*16:36
logan-if the roles can be generalized enough to where the openstack-ansible specific bits can be configured into the roles via vars, id really consider not naming them openstack-ansible-* roles and try to get more generalized usage of them to get more non-OSA users of them16:36
odyssey4meoh yes, I'm very happy with that idea16:37
andymccrlogan-: yeah agreed - i think for elasticsearch and hopefully kibana it sounds like we will just have playbooks that call the upstream roles.16:37
logan-same thing evrardjp is saying I think16:37
evrardjpyeah we agree16:37
d34dh0r53interesting, although they are fairly tailored for openstack, not necessarily OSA though16:37
odyssey4methere's been quite a bit of interest from infra in re-using some of our roles which are more infra focused16:37
d34dh0r53ok16:37
andymccrlogstash as it stands we're not - but i think we may be able to move to just use like https://galaxy.ansible.com/geerlingguy/logstash/ or some equivalent and put down filters16:37
cloudnull++ I agree w/ logan-16:37
evrardjplogan-: your roles are a good example :p16:37
odyssey4meif they're tailored to openstack, then perhaps they should not be16:37
andymccrd34dh0r53: what do we do apart from custom filters that are specific to an OSA/OpenStack logstash?16:38
cloudnullthe folks at elastic have some roles too16:38
cloudnullhttps://github.com/elastic/ansible-elasticsearch16:38
odyssey4mewe should be able to feed it config and it should do the right thing16:38
logan-i reuse galera, -security, etc outside of OSA so thats why this comes to mind. there would probably be more exposure if some of the roles were named more generally16:38
andymccrcloudnull: d34dh0r53 is using those i believe!16:38
d34dh0r53andymccr: mostly the filtering16:38
d34dh0r53cloudnull: yes, that is the elasticsearch role that I use16:38
cloudnulloh, cool .16:38
andymccrd34dh0r53: maybe we could just carry the filters then and use an upstream role and dump those down as part of a playbook ro some other task?16:38
odyssey4methe filtering should be something we can extract, similar to the haproxy/keepalived roles16:38
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d34dh0r53there aren't upstream elastic.co roles for logstash or filebeat16:39
evrardjplogan-: do you suggest of extracting galera out of the openstack-ansible namespace, like security?16:39
evrardjpsame for rabbit?16:39
odyssey4meyeah, our galera and rabbit roles are actually great compared to the others out there16:39
logan-evrardjp: maybe eventually. I think most of the infra roles could go that route tbh16:39
andymccrim not opposed to that16:40
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andymccrlets discuss that at the PTG though :)16:40
evrardjpwe'd maybe need a different branching scheme, and it needs more thinking. But I agree with the idea. However we have to remove orchestration from the roles then.16:40
evrardjpandymccr: indeed, a good discussion for the ptg :)16:41
andymccri think it needs more thought and consideration16:41
evrardjpmaybe a spec? :p16:41
andymccrbut i do think our galera role specifically is quite good in comparison to anything else available16:41
logan-++ sounds good16:41
andymccri would love to see a spec if somebody would like to write it ;P16:41
evrardjpI see what you did there.16:42
andymccrstealth16:42
evrardjpI'd like to skip that one though.16:42
logan-ill work on it16:43
evrardjpmaybe we should just put it into action point or something16:43
andymccrboom :)16:43
evrardjpcool16:43
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andymccrotherwise we can just start the discussion at the ptg that way somebody who is interested can take it on board!16:43
andymccrOK!16:43
andymccr#topic open discussion16:43
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andymccralthough we basically were there - anybody have any other topics to discuss?16:43
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andymccri'll leave it for a few minutes :)16:44
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evrardjpI have nothing to add.16:47
evrardjpif everybody would do the same, we could close the meeting :p16:47
odyssey4menothing from me16:48
logan-same16:48
d34dh0r53I'm good16:48
andymccrhaha16:49
andymccrok cool16:49
andymccr#endmeeting16:49
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andymccrthanks all :)16:49
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LouisF#startmeeting service_chaining17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 18 17:00:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is LouisF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining'17:00
LouisFhi all17:00
pcarverhi17:01
LouisFpcarver: hi17:01
vks1hi all17:01
bcafarelhello17:01
doonhammerhi all17:01
LouisF#topic agenda17:02
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LouisFhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceFunctionChainingMeeting#Agenda_for_the_Networking-SFC_Meeting_.285.2F18.2F2017.2917:02
LouisFi was not at the Summit17:03
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LouisFcan anyone provide highlights?17:03
bcafarelno sfc presentations then?17:04
pcarverI didn't see a lot SFC related, but I was focussed on Contrail and ODL17:04
LouisFbcafarel: no17:04
pcarverSome folks from Midonet did a hands one workshop with the midonet-cli for layer 2 service insertion17:04
pcarverbut it didn't involve networking-sfc at all17:04
LouisFok17:05
pcarverThere was an talk on SFC as part of the ODL day17:05
pcarverbut again, not specific to networking-sfc17:05
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pcarverit did rasie some questions about the relationship between OpenStack and MANO stuff17:06
LouisFi think we can do a talk on the sfc pike enhancements for the next summit17:06
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LouisFpcarver: such as?17:07
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LouisFis this related to tacker?17:07
pcarverI don't know the specfics of things like TOSCA and similar, but there were questions about whether the APIs align17:07
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pcarverslightly related to tacker, but I'm not sure how well that aligns either17:08
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pcarverI think it may be a case of no clear standard that everyone agrees is the one standard17:09
LouisFthe NFV network forwarding path (NFP) aligns very well with port chain17:10
LouisFi think the NFP is part of a vnffg tosca definition17:11
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doonhammerLouisF: do you have a link for NFP?17:11
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LouisFhttp://docs.oasis-open.org/tosca/tosca-nfv/v1.0/csd03/tosca-nfv-v1.0-csd03.pdf17:12
LouisFits also in the ETSI MANO spec17:13
vks1we had shown the demo of chaining in Openstack Summit with GBP17:13
doonhammerLouisF: Thanks17:13
vks1not this one but earlier ones17:13
LouisFvks1: did that use networking-sfc?17:14
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vks1no we implemented that on CISCO ACI , but was doing chaining like SFC but was bit advanced17:15
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LouisFFigure 7 of that tosca doc shows NFP  - same as port chain17:15
LouisFvks1: do you have a link?17:15
vks1which link do you need ? I can point you to that17:16
LouisFi think igor's work in SF graph will align with nfv/tosca vnffg17:16
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LouisFvks1: link to the demo17:17
vks1oh ok will send you17:17
LouisFvks1: thks17:17
LouisF#topic cli work17:17
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LouisFCLI in python-neutronclient https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409759/17:18
bcafarelno recent update?17:18
LouisFno - i will contact mohan17:18
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LouisF#topic API reference17:19
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LouisFpcarver: what is status?17:19
pcarvernot much progress, I just haven't been able to spend much time debugging the issues17:20
LouisFpcarver: ok thanks17:20
pcarverquestion though17:20
pcarvershould we move SFC specific exceptions into neutron-lib?17:20
LouisFpcarver: how is the handled for other projects?17:21
pcarverAre they expected to be used generally or should they remain defined in networking-sfc essentially "privately"17:21
pcarverthere are some exceptions defined in neutron-lib but I haven't looked at what's not in neutron-lib for other projects17:22
bcafarelif the API reference needs to reference them, probably yes, else that would mean a dependency on networking-sfc?17:22
pcarverfor the BGPVPN API def I didn't encounter the issue17:22
igordcardhi, sorry17:22
bcafarelbut yes the neutron-lib resident experts will probably know :)17:22
LouisFigordcard: hi17:22
pcarverIt's actually the API definition. The API reference is basically complete but Armando wanted the API def as a pre-req to merging the API ref17:23
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igordcard+1 nfp aligns well with port-chain, sfp does as well17:23
LouisFigordcard: agree17:24
igordcardbut service graphs aligning with vnffg, a bit more difficult...17:24
LouisFigordcard: where do you see the differences?17:25
LouisFpcarver: can you check  with  neutron-lib on yr question17:25
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igordcardLouisF: want to discuss now or after the topic?17:26
LouisFpcarver: anything to add?17:26
pcarverLouisF: yes, just a matter of time. Got bogged down before the summit and now just barely caught up17:26
pcarverneed to find time to focus on SFC17:27
LouisFpcarver: ok thanks17:27
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LouisF#topic vnffg alignment17:27
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LouisFigordcard: lets talk about this now17:27
igordcardalright so even though an NFP kinda looks like an SFP, when they're grouped together to form graphs a main difference pops out17:28
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igordcardyou can theoretically insert an SFP based on any condition, and so you can depend on another SFP (well this case is even explicitly written in the sfc arch), while in NFP you have an "nfpRule" which is the condition to get into the path but, from what I understand, it's the classifier used to get into the path17:30
igordcardso I'm not sure it was designed taking into account that you could make an NFP depend on another NFP17:30
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igordcardwhen you look at the VNFFG, it always starts from a single point and everything is a branch of that point17:30
igordcardbut if nfpRule can be defined as allowing dependencies, then I see no major difference...17:31
LouisFthe vnffg spc does not really describe how traffic gets into the vnffg17:31
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LouisFwhere do you see nfpRule?17:33
igordcardwhat about multiple instances at each node of the NFP, is that possible? I don't quite remember at the moment17:33
igordcardusually, this is my guide: http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_gs/NFV-IFA/001_099/014/02.01.01_60/gs_NFV-IFA014v020101p.pdf17:33
igordcardLouisF: 6.4.3.217:34
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igordcardyes, NFP supports multiple instances (connection points) at each hop17:34
LouisFalso http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_gs/NFV-MAN/001_099/001/01.01.01_60/gs_NFV-MAN001v010101p.pdf17:34
igordcardLouisF: hmm, seems like "policy" becomes "nfpRule"17:36
LouisFigordcard: yes17:37
LouisFigordcard: multiple cp corresponds to ppg17:39
igordcardLouisF: yes.. and a cp is a pp?17:40
LouisFigordcard: yes17:40
LouisFigordcard: although is is unclear from the vnffg spec on the intention behind multiple cps per nfp17:41
LouisFok moving on17:42
igordcardLouisF: oh! yes... the cardinality isn't right17:42
igordcardLouisF: if N is the length of the NFP, then there is only 1 instance per hop17:42
igordcardLouisF: unless the "VNF" wraps multiple instances, which might be the case, I'll have to take a look again17:43
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LouisFigordcard: yes N = number of CPs in a NFP seems correct17:43
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LouisFok need to investigate further, but there is pretty good alignment...17:44
LouisF#topic SF tap17:44
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LouisFvks1: what is status?17:44
vks1I have submitted patch fr review17:45
vks1you are in the review list :)17:45
vks1*reviewer17:46
igordcardhaven't had much time to focus on the bigger patches, but I'm hoping to have a look in about 2 weeks time.. is that alright?17:46
LouisFvks1:  i see you have posted patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449954/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465057/17:46
bcafarelack, I am a bit behind on big reviews too17:46
vks1yeah correct17:46
LouisFvks1: thanks - all please review these17:46
LouisF#topic OVN work17:47
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LouisFdoonhammer: what is status?17:47
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doonhammerLouisF: still working patch through OVN/OVS did check my old networking-ovn and networking-sfc code, the ovn code can be merged the sfc code has a few minor issues bcafarel: reached out to help so not too much work17:48
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LouisFdoonhammer: thanks17:49
bcafareldoonhammer: I played a bit to set up an OVN / SFC setup, so should be able to try your branches soon17:49
doonhammerLouisF: Biggest issue is we have run out of table space in OVN so I need a patch submitted by mickeys_: to be approved before I can submit the patch17:50
LouisFdoonhammer: i see17:50
doonhammerbcafarel: any issues just reach out and I can help17:50
bcafareldoonhammer: will do:)17:50
LouisFgreat - thanks17:51
bcafarelapart from the table space extension (independant issue), everything is ok on the OVN side?17:51
doonhammerLouisF: Hopefully blp: will review mickeys_ patch soon in the meantime I can apply his patch to my fork'17:51
LouisF#topic Non-transparent SF17:51
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LouisFhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/458303/17:52
doonhammerLouisF: Just working through issues - I have been testing it against docker and k8s and that works17:52
LouisFdoonhammer: great17:52
LouisFplease review17:52
LouisF#topic other items17:52
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igordcardI have to work on a patch before service graphs can be merged.. hoping to finish the first chunk of graphs by next week17:53
igordcardthe OSC patch might take a bit longer, then I'm moving to NSH17:54
LouisFigordcard: thanks17:54
bcafarelplease check also http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/116600.html some feedback will be nice17:54
igordcardbcafarel: oh, my bad haven't checked the ml often enough lately17:55
LouisFbcafarel: will comment on that17:55
bcafareligordcard: np I think you had the summit on your hands at that time17:56
bcafarelLouisF: thanks17:56
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LouisFbcafarel: lets discuss more at next meeting17:57
LouisFi have another meeting17:57
LouisFthanks all17:57
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LouisF#endmeeting17:58
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bcafarelsure! Bye everyone17:58
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igordcardbye all17:58
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