Wednesday, 2017-08-09

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alexchadin#startmeeting watcher14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  9 14:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alexchadin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'watcher'14:00
alexchadinGreetings!14:00
Yumeng__Hi14:00
adisky__Hi14:00
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alexchadinHere's our agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#08.2F09.2F201714:01
hidekazuhi14:01
suzhengweihi14:01
alexchadin#topic announcements14:01
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alexchadinAditi Sharma is in core team now.14:02
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alexchadinadisky__: my congratulations14:02
hidekazuadisky__: congrats!14:02
adisky__alexchadin: thanks14:02
suzhengweicongratulations!14:02
adisky__hidekazu: Yumeng__ : thanks for voting14:02
Yumeng__adisky__: congratulations!!14:02
adisky__suzhengwei: thanks14:03
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alexchadinRelease Candidate will be tagged tomorrow.14:03
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alexchadinwarning-is-error tag is set to watcher, python-watcherclient, watcher-specs repos. watcher-dashboard should be verified.14:04
alexchadinWe've got rid of warnings of docs14:05
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hidekazualexchadin: nice14:05
alexchadinAnd put documentation in order14:05
alexchadinthank you for your help, team14:06
alexchadinFill up Denver etherpad with your proposals and questions: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-watcher-ptg14:07
hidekazuwho will attend ptg?14:07
alexchadinI won't14:08
adisky__depends on support from company14:09
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Yumeng__I will ask my boss tomorrow14:10
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hidekazui am happy attendees will fill in until 21st(during my summer vacation :) )14:10
alexchadinUnfortunately, I cannot visit PTG because of personal things :(14:11
hidekazualexchadin: yes, please do your best ;)14:11
Yumeng__ alexchadin :What if we schedule another time? Or place?14:11
alexchadinBut I'll try to do my best14:12
alexchadinYumeng__: I'd vote for something like Prague :)14:12
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hidekazuPrague??14:13
Yumeng__Need shengen visa?14:13
alexchadinWe've already reserved place for our team on PTG so I hope some people can go there14:13
alexchadinYumeng__: yes14:14
alexchadinhidekazu: why not?:)14:14
hidekazucentral europe..14:14
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hidekazui am not familiar with central europe.14:15
hidekazusorry, please go on.14:15
alexchadinanyway, leave your propositions on the etherpad about possible place to meet14:16
alexchadinlet's move on14:16
alexchadin#topic Review Action Items14:16
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alexchadinWatcher specs14:16
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alexchadincluster-maintenance-strategy needs to be addressed to Queens #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464602/14:17
suzhengweiyes14:17
suzhengweiI will update later14:17
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alexchadinsuzhengwei: just change folder to queens, that's all14:17
suzhengweiok14:17
alexchadinsuzhengwei: thank you14:17
alexchadinextend-node-status needs to be updated #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464549/14:18
suzhengweiI will14:18
alexchadinsuzhengwei: there are some unaddressed questions14:18
suzhengweiok, I will check it later14:19
hidekazusuzhengwei: Please add dependency between blueprints.14:19
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alexchadinhidekazu: +114:20
hidekazusuzhengwei: example: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/zone-migration-strategy14:20
hidekazusuzhengwei: you can show Dependency tree in work items.14:20
suzhengweiok14:21
alexchadinSpec for multi-datasource support needs to be addressed to Queens #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46710214:22
alexchadinunfortunately, lakerzhou isn't here14:23
alexchadinWatcher Bugs & Fixes14:23
alexchadinFix failure to load storage plugin needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491386/14:23
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adisky__will review14:24
alexchadinit's very critical patch since watcher won't launch properly if you don't have installed cinder14:24
alexchadin#action adisky__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491386/14:25
alexchadinFix gnocchi repository URL in local.conf.controller needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490684/14:25
Yumeng__+114:25
hidekazuthis is easy.14:26
alexchadinRestrict existing strategies to their default scope needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478760/14:26
Yumeng__+114:27
alexchadin#action Yumeng__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478760/14:27
alexchadinYumeng__: thanks14:28
hidekazuthis patch implements blueprint extend-node-status.14:28
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alexchadinhidekazu: oh, I see14:28
alexchadinYumeng__: review without merging ;)14:29
hidekazui wonder why this is not bug fix.14:29
Yumeng__alexchadin: ok14:29
suzhengweibecause now we test every strategy seperately.14:30
hidekazuwe can discuss in spec review.14:30
alexchadinAdjust the action state judgment logic needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491393/14:32
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alexchadinworkload balance base on cpu or ram util needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479257/14:32
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alexchadinhidekazu, adisky__ please review it again14:34
hidekazui already +2 though.14:34
adisky__+114:34
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alexchadinwell, that's all for now14:35
hidekazuthis patch is not fixing bug , should not be merged before releasing RC.14:35
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hidekazui am worry about the bug i reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/170954414:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1709544 in watcher "Compute CDM failed to be created under multiple cells environment" [Undecided,New]14:35
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hidekazui hope someone tests using multi node latest devstack.14:36
alexchadinhidekazu: it makes sense14:37
adisky__hidekazu: i will try it next week14:37
hidekazuadisky?__: very thanks.14:37
hidekazuadisky__14:37
alexchadinhidekazu: ComputeNode is a child of osloversionedobjects14:37
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alexchadinhidekazu: I'll give a link, wait a sec14:38
hidekazualexchadin: nova doc says that we can not migrate instance across cells now.14:38
alexchadinhidekazu: https://github.com/openstack/watcher/blob/master/watcher/decision_engine/model/element/node.py#L3614:39
hidekazualexchadin: we should not focus on multicell env??14:39
hidekazubut default devstack is now multicell..14:39
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alexchadinhidekazu: could you give me a link to the doc?14:39
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hidekazualexchadin: https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/user/cellsv2_layout.html#cross-cell-instance-migrations14:40
alexchadinhidekazu: if I understand right, after you changed api_version to 2.53, ComputeNode class should contain id with StringField type14:41
hidekazualexchadin: yes14:41
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alexchadinhidekazu: you have exception even if you use nova api v2.0?14:44
hidekazualexchadin: first bug report is nova api 2. watcher default.14:44
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alexchadinthat's strange14:45
hidekazualexchadin: i expect adisky__'s report :)14:46
alexchadinhidekazu: I'll investigate it14:46
alexchadintoo14:46
hidekazualexchadin: i think key point is that my env is not simple cell setup, real multi cell.14:47
alexchadinwell, let's end up meeting14:47
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hidekazuthanks, bye.14:48
alexchadinthank you for coming14:48
alexchadinbye14:48
suzhengweibye14:48
adisky__bye14:48
alexchadin#endmeeting14:48
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inc0#startmeeting kolla15:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  9 15:59:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kolla'15:59
inc0#topic w00t15:59
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inc0what's up guys?:) w00t!15:59
Jeffrey4lwoot15:59
britthouser0/16:00
rwellumwoot16:00
duonghqo/ wo0t16:00
krtaylorw00t!16:00
spsurya_w00t16:00
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vhosakoto/16:01
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inc0#topic announcements16:03
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inc0Soo, we are in rc-1 week16:03
inc0since we're release-trailing, final release can be 2 weeks later than reguar openstack16:04
inc0but I'd like to freeze features after this week16:05
pbourkeo/16:05
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inc0and focus heavily on testing up until PTG, which coincides with release-trailing dealdine16:05
inc0we'll talk about feature freeze exceptions later in the meeting16:06
inc0any community announcements16:06
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inc0?16:06
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inc0#topic PTG planning16:07
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inc0https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-queens-ptg-planning16:07
inc0#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-queens-ptg-planning16:07
inc0let's take another look at this list16:07
inc0do we have any other topic to talk about that's not in the list? Especially kolla-ansible/images part?16:08
egonzalezmaybe the sdn focused kolla?16:09
rwelluminc0: there were some questions/concerns with the tripleo team?16:09
inc0rwellum: yeah, we'll schedule time for that too, I was thinking Friday16:09
rwellumWell that was k8s tho16:09
rwellum+116:09
inc0egonzalez: sounds good16:09
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krtaylorfor cross session - what about infra use of kolla images for upstream CI testing16:10
rwellumI see lots of basic questions every day - what does this interface do etc - the kolla-ansible documentation is quite good - but is there something that can be improved?16:10
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rwellum+1 krtaylor - I have a Cinder core on my team and I am pushing him this way - they are quite interested.16:11
inc0you might be first person ever saying our docs are good;)16:11
inc0maybe...worth talking about imho16:11
krtaylorre: docs, I'll help with the quick-start, there are a few things I'd like to see clarified there16:12
rwelluminc0: better than the kolla-k8s docs :)16:12
sean-k-mooneyinc0: they used to be excelent, but there is always room for improvment.16:12
inc0well I'm more than happy to make queens a docs release16:12
rwellumkrtaylor: yes the quick start has some issues imo16:12
inc0we did a lot of work with gates during pike16:12
rwellumdocs release means? Lots of reviews and checking?16:13
sean-k-mooneythere is also the topic of kolla as a devstack replacement. there was some work done in that space but i dont know if its something we want to seriosuly discusss at the ptg16:14
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inc0taking a long careful look at what we have and what can be improved16:14
krtaylorsean-k-mooney, dvsm replacement is what I meant by upstream CI use16:14
inc0well I wouldn't use word replacement, but there are mechanism to help develop openstack stuff using kolla16:14
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sean-k-mooneykrtaylor: there was also https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/blob/master/doc/kolla-for-openstack-development.rst16:16
* krtaylor looks16:16
rwellumsean-k-mooney: krtaylor the tool I have in review, ko.py - effectively does this - I'm thinking about adding pycharms, and then there's the dev-mode addition someone did?16:16
inc0rwellum: we already have this functionality with kolla-ansible16:16
inc0it installs faster than devstack;) especially when we add image upstream16:17
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krtaylorright, although dev mode may be different16:17
inc0well not really. With dev mode you can use upstream master source image and mount different source16:17
sdake_inc0+ lol re docs16:17
sean-k-mooneyrwellum: the devmode work i linked was done by egonzalez  if i remember correctly. in any respect is this a topic we want to cover at the ptg16:17
rwellumYes I think so - imo16:18
krtaylor+1 added to etherpad16:18
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inc0my question would be who really wants that (besides us)16:18
rwellumbecause it will encourage cross OpenStack Services to use kolla and give us greater visibility.16:18
inc0but that's something we can ask there16:18
rwellumCinder team does inc016:18
rwellumAlso Cyborg and ironic16:18
inc0well if cinder team would carry the mantle and move to kolla-based dev16:19
inc0we need code writers to help us polish dev experience16:19
rwelluminc0: I can introduce you to the core who is driving this and possible Queens PTL.16:19
inc0cool, let's do that16:19
inc0we could work closely and make it happen during queens16:19
krtaylorwe are very interested in it for our third-party ci environment, based on upstream infra16:20
inc0we already have mechanism for that16:20
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sean-k-mooneykrtaylor: well the kolla ci is already using kolla to deploy openstack as a dvsm replacement.16:20
inc0PTG would be great place to grab someone from infra and draft a full plan for ti16:20
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sean-k-mooneykrtaylor: it may be posible to make that more generic for your own reuses16:21
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krtaylorsean-k-mooney, we need it to be what upstream uses, that way we don't fork/reinvent16:21
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krtayloranyway, I'd sure participate in a discussion at PTG16:22
inc0ok, I'm sure we'll also find a lot of topics ad hoc16:22
inc0so I don't want to overload schedule really16:22
inc0didn't work out last time;)16:22
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rwellumWe would simply have an ansible 'devstack' playbook for kolla no? Maybe with and without k8s as needed or preferred.16:23
inc0if anyone have any other ideas, feel free to just dump them in etherpad16:23
inc0rwellum: we have it already16:23
inc0kinda16:24
inc0you just specify dev_mode: true in globals16:24
rwellumThat's great inc0 - we need to advertise and plan on others using it.16:24
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krtaylorand coordinate the nodepool retrofit, etc16:25
inc0right, there are 2 angles16:25
inc01 - devs can use it to just dev16:25
inc02 - infra gates16:25
krtaylortrue16:25
inc0since infra already have images available (and it'll only be better in the future), it can be faster than devstack16:26
krtaylorWAY faster16:26
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rwellumInfra uses devstack?16:26
inc0yes16:26
rwellumfor gates16:26
rwellumurgh16:26
inc0well it's working so it's cool;)16:26
krtayloryep, hence my interest :)16:26
inc0but every bit of resourcces freed up can be really useful16:27
sean-k-mooneycurrently https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/blob/master/tools/setup_gate.sh + bootstrap playbook + normal kolla build/deploy  efectivlly replace dvsm in the kolla jobs. they are somewhat kolla specific now but should be reusable16:27
inc0there will be a bit more to be done as we'd need to pull specific patch16:27
inc0but devmode makes it managable16:27
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sean-k-mooneyinc0: event without that the git source build support world enable that16:28
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inc0well, there are few ways to address that16:28
inc0I'll try to get someone from infra in room16:28
krtaylorI bet there would be lots of infra interest in speeding up the gate16:29
sean-k-mooneyjust need to correclty modify the kolla-build based on the gerrit envs.16:29
krtaylorzuulv3 may handle a lot of that, I don't know yet16:29
inc0question is how big it'll really be and how much work16:29
inc0and what impact on existing jobs16:29
inc0anyway, we'll discuss that on PTG16:29
inc0so let's not do it here and now;)16:30
krtaylor+116:30
rwellum+116:30
inc0so, I'll cut out PTG discussion and we'll continue next week too16:30
rwellumbut i think make is one of the priority items please16:30
inc0so again, feel free to add anything during week16:31
inc0#topic Feature freeze16:31
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inc0So as I said, I'd like to cut out features this week16:31
inc0any outstanding features we really really want to finish?16:31
inc0dpdk from me, but that might land this week16:32
egonzalez90I would like have ovs-dpdk16:32
duonghqseem that ansible-become and keystone and neutron upgrade does not land in P?16:32
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inc0duonghq: ansible become might, rolling upgrade will really need strategy right?16:32
egonzalez90Also, i have blazar ansible change who need code reviews16:33
sean-k-mooneyinc0: ill try my best i think its close.16:33
duonghqinc0, yeah, I have not figured out any way to do this without strategy16:33
duonghqegonzalez90, do you have any other ideas?16:33
inc0let's target that for Queens then16:34
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duonghqokay, the problem with keystone w/o strategy is we will have downtime16:34
duonghq(which is not intend of keystone zero-downtime upgrade)16:34
sean-k-mooneyfor rolling upgrade is serial 1 not an option without a strategy plugin?16:34
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inc0sean-k-mooney: I wouldn't advice that for users tbh16:35
inc0will make stuff much more complex at scale16:35
inc0switching ks images is sub-second thing16:35
duonghqya, so without strategy, we only have a small down-time here16:36
inc0right16:36
duonghqcan it land on P, and zero-downtime will be in place in Q?16:36
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inc0but we have it today right? Anyway let's try to land it16:37
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duonghqyes, we have it today, I only need removing strategy stuff, which is very easy thing16:37
inc0let's do this16:37
duonghqso, I'll fix it and ping you in tomorrow, after double test it16:38
duonghqcan we add it to FFE?16:38
inc0cool, thanks16:38
inc0sure16:38
duonghqthanks16:38
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inc0so, to summarize, dpdk, upgrades, become16:38
inc0and blazar16:38
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inc0can everyone link reviews here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-p-ffe ?16:39
inc0so we can prioritize these reviews and help merge it asap16:39
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inc0and after this week we -2 all changes not related to these and not bug fixes until we branch out queens16:40
duonghqroger16:41
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sean-k-mooneyinc0: can we include https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408876/ as part of dpdk16:41
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sean-k-mooneyits need to configure hugepages automatically otherwise its an admin step pre deploy16:42
inc0yeah let's try16:42
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inc0also doc patch would need to land in this list16:43
sean-k-mooneyit wont prevent dpdk from working if it does not land just an addtional manual step. yep ill be working on a docs patch tomorow16:43
inc0right, so lower priority16:44
inc0we either do this there or in docs16:44
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inc0but if we do this, we might as well make it automatic, we'll see16:44
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inc0ok, I think that's it, lets focus on these changes16:45
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inc0ok, let's have few minutes of open discussion16:46
inc0#topic open discussion16:46
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inc0anyone?16:46
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rwellumEveryone voted for summit presos?16:47
britthouserI did early and often!16:47
sean-k-mooney summit presos?16:47
duonghqanybody go to PTG? I will not16:47
inc0:(16:48
sean-k-mooneyim still waiting for travel approval but likely will be there16:48
rwellumSydney summit presentations sean-k-mooney16:48
sean-k-mooneyrwellum: ah :)16:48
rwellumI got approval - but was not impressed that the group rate for hotels ran out in like 2 days..16:48
duonghqsean-k-mooney, rwellum  nice16:49
krtaylorI think summit sessions are announced this Friday16:49
krtaylorIIRC16:49
britthouserLIke in two days?16:51
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krtaylorI believe so, thats what I remember16:52
inc0interesting16:52
inc0that's very far from summit16:52
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inc0ok, I'll give all of us few minutes of our lives back:)16:54
inc0thank you all for coming!16:54
inc0#endmeeting16:55
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