Tuesday, 2017-09-19

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yushiroHi14:00
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annphi14:00
yushiro#startmeeting fwaas14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 19 14:00:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is yushiro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
reedip_guys I will join in 5 minutes14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'fwaas'14:00
reedip_just came from gym and well...14:00
chandanchello all14:00
xgerman_o/14:00
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yushiro#chair xgerman_ yushiro14:00
openstackCurrent chairs: xgerman_ yushiro14:00
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bbzhaohi14:01
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yushiro#chair SridarK14:01
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openstackCurrent chairs: SridarK xgerman_ yushiro14:01
SridarKHi FWaaS folks14:01
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yushiroOK, let's begin :-)14:01
xgerman_we should probably give a summary of the PTG14:01
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bbzhaohi14:01
SridarK+114:01
xgerman_#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg14:02
yushiro#topic PTG14:02
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SridarKi thought it was a very productive set of discussions14:02
yushiroThanks xgerman_ for link.14:02
xgerman_Ok, we had the discussion enhancing SG vs. FWaaS V2 come up again and the community feels we should focus on FWaaS V2 though their patience is getting limited14:02
SridarK+114:03
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xgerman_which means we *really* need to deliver this cycle14:03
SridarKi think we should wrap up the L2 support asap14:03
xgerman_+114:03
yushiro+10014:03
yushiroyeah.14:03
bbzhao:)14:03
SridarKand we are in a good position to do so14:03
SridarKi believe we closed out on any outstanding issues14:04
xgerman_we also chatted with the CCF person and SridarK offered to write a spec how we integrate with common classifiers14:04
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SridarKyes Thomas Morin was the contact14:05
SridarKalthough it was our opinion that this is still at an early stage14:05
xgerman_yes, they are looking for people adapring it14:06
SridarKand we have a plan on how to effect this - i will start putting that in a writeup that can become a RFE14:06
xgerman_+114:06
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xgerman_we also decided to submit documentation alongside code where feasible14:06
reedip_back14:07
xgerman_#action create doc directory structure in FWaaS project14:07
reedip_SridarK : I would like to assist u in the CCF part14:07
yushiroxgerman_, will do it ASAP!!14:07
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xgerman_thanks yushiro14:07
SridarKreedip_: sure but this is probab more towards the end of the cycle - we will wait on things to be completed on the CCF side14:08
SridarKbut surely thx reedip_14:08
reedip_Yes, I will be working a bit there as well to sync things up14:08
SridarKreedip_: ok thats grt14:08
xgerman_we also went over the “state machine” for L2 aka PENDING->… etc.14:08
yushiroSo, writing document is helpful for reviewer.14:09
xgerman_+114:09
SridarK+114:09
reedip_Yes, I took a snapshot of it , I think14:09
SridarKand i think there are some subtleties there too with multiple ports - but lets not confuse that part yet so we can get the support in14:09
xgerman_+114:10
yushiroEach patch should be added document.  L2-agent, default FWG, ...14:10
SridarKessentially - on events intiated from the agent - we question the need for a PENDING_ state - we can skip that14:10
xgerman_+114:10
SridarKi think that was a good discussion to go thru the workflows14:10
xgerman_agent restart we were considering throwing the system in 503 until we have recovered14:11
xgerman_SridarK +1 good discussion14:11
SridarKi think that unblocks issues around L2 agent patch14:11
yushiroAh, OK.14:11
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SridarKThen we had some issues sorted out on handling the L2 agent restart - thanks to amotoki and iwamoto14:13
reedip_hmm ..14:13
SridarKthe use of cookies to flush out stale entries14:13
reedip_yes, the cookies :)14:13
SridarK:-)14:13
yushiroSo, let me explain about remaining v2 patches detail TODO.14:13
yushiroAfter v2 topic.14:14
SridarKyushiro: yes perfect14:14
reedip_yushiro : please also mention the person responsible14:14
SridarKone sec14:14
yushiros/After/During.14:14
reedip_so that we can ghave multiple people working on things together without conflicts :)14:14
SridarKlets do a quick wrap up of PTG and then maye u can get it into this each as a topic14:14
xgerman_+114:14
yushiroreedip_, +114:15
xgerman_any questions about the PTG?14:15
SridarKi think one more thing that xgerman_ added on appliances14:15
SridarKand LBaaS use cases14:15
xgerman_yes, LBaaS14:15
SridarKi think this is important to look at as well14:15
SridarKsince xgerman_ had some usecases in mind and we can work with the LBaaS team to come up with some solutions14:16
xgerman_yes, I can help guide…14:16
yushiroSridarK, xgerman_ ah, 1 missed thing about PTG.  Please let me talk after that.14:16
xgerman_k14:17
SridarKxgerman_: there was some early discussion on how to use. neutron port14:17
SridarKbut we can add some material on that14:17
xgerman_yep, we really need to understand which ports work with our system and which ones don’t (and fix that).14:18
SridarKone more thing - i ran into a vendor (Netronome) who also had interest in some parts of it - they said they will try to attend our mtgs14:18
xgerman_In LBaaS hardware vendors where wondering how to integrate with FWaaS14:18
xgerman_or better leverage14:18
SridarK+114:18
SridarKalso we need to add more tests14:19
xgerman_+114:19
SridarKi think that in itself is a full plate14:19
SridarKbut i think we cannot state enough the need to stay focussed to wrap up the L2 support14:20
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SridarKthe summit is just abt 6 weeks away14:20
xgerman_+1 users are waiting for those features14:20
SridarKwe should get that done before that14:20
xgerman_oh, anybody going to the summit?14:20
SridarKso far looks like i will be able to go14:21
SridarKfingers crossed14:21
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xgerman_sweet - there was an e-mail and deadline ywo weeks ago about project update talks14:21
SridarKxgerman_: hmm - i defn missed that14:22
SridarKok will look for that14:22
xgerman_yeah, maybe they still have slots + forum14:22
SridarKxgerman_: ok will sync up with u on tht offline14:22
SridarKi think that was a PTG dump - i dont have anything more to add14:23
xgerman_questions?14:23
amotokihi, just got home.14:23
amotokilooks like PTG wrapup14:23
SridarKamotoki: hi14:23
xgerman_hi14:23
SridarKamotoki: yes :-)14:23
bbzhao:-)14:23
yushiroamotoki, hi14:23
SridarKyushiro: if nothing else  - can u go to individual topics - we can discuss action items and owners14:24
amotokiI think PTG discussion on FWaaS almost focused on L2 stuff but it was useful14:24
amotokimove on please14:24
SridarKamotoki: yes indeed the Fri discussion was very useful - thx14:24
yushiroAha, so let me talk about PTG topic regarding for wekly meeting.14:25
xgerman_yes14:25
yushiroCurrently, our meeting is weekly on Tuesday at 1400 UTC.  On the other hand,14:25
yushiro CCF and neutron meeting will be held at same time.14:25
SridarKyushiro: ah yes14:25
yushiroI'd like to suggest to shift our meeting time except CCF and neutron.14:25
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SridarKbbzhao: what is ur local time now ?14:26
bbzhaoSridarK,: It's 22:26 now.14:26
yushiroeezhova, Could you tell me your timezone.  If you know, plz tell me Inessa's one.14:26
SridarKah ok14:26
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SridarKbecause any later will be very late for Japan14:27
bbzhaoThis time is OK now. :-)14:27
ivasilevskaya1yushiro, 17-26 local time now TZ UTC+314:27
yushiroivasilevskaya1, Thanks.14:27
yushiroI'm always wake up, so it's OK :-)  hahaha14:28
SridarK:-14:28
SridarK)14:28
xgerman_we can also try a different day - same time14:28
amotokito summarize: UTC+9 for yushiro and me, UTC+8 for bbzhao, UTC+3 for ivasilevskaya114:28
SridarKmaybe14:28
SridarKxgerman_: exactly14:28
ivasilevskaya1UTC+4 for eezhova14:28
bbzhaoamotoki, yep. :-)14:28
yushiroamotoki, Thanks.  Can I send e-mail into openstack-ml for voting?14:28
xgerman_absolutely14:29
yushirofolks, please reply my e-mail for meeting time !!!14:29
amotokiyushiro: you should be another person for "When do you sleep" award :)14:29
SridarK:-)14:29
yushiro#action yushiro sends an e-mail for FWaaS meeting time14:29
SridarKyushiro: i think same time diff day will be easier14:29
yushiroSridarK, xgerman_ OK, i'll suggest it.14:30
reedip_UTC + 530 for me14:30
SridarKlets have a quick discussion to close that here - so we find the best day for the usual attendeed14:30
yushiroreedip_, thanks14:30
amotokiI think it is worth mentioned why in the mail of call for meeting time.14:30
reedip_I think we can have it same time tomorrow ?14:30
yushiroamotoki, OK, will add :)14:30
SridarKreedip_: yes that works14:31
reedip_how about others ?14:31
amotokifwaas meeting conflicted with neutron biweekly, but in Queens we plan to explore CCF integration as neutorn stadium effort14:31
SridarKxgerman_: and i are in Pacific14:31
amotokiso it now means full conflict (weekly) with neutorn and CCF14:31
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SridarKeven if we move it forward by 24 hrs would that work for all here14:32
amotokithis is the background of this discussion (for folks who could not be at Denver)14:32
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reedip_amotoki , bbzhao , yushiro , ivasilevskaya1 : moving the meeting to Wednesday same time ?14:32
yushiroreedip_, SridarK +1  So, I'll send ML for 'why' ( amotoki mentioned above ) and altenative day (tomorrow same time ) as a candidate.14:33
bbzhaoreedip_, : OK. sounds good for me. :-)14:33
SridarKyushiro: +114:33
ivasilevskaya1+114:33
SridarKi think it took a lot to come up with this time when we last discussed - so just moving the day will be easier14:33
amotokito me, it works and does not. we usually have local meetups on Wed and Fri, so late night of Wed/Fri soemtimes does not work for me14:33
amotoki^ for Wed option14:33
SridarKah14:33
reedip_so what about Thursday ??? The time I think is best suited to everyone, the date needs vote14:34
amotokithat's my case. I am not sure it applies to yushiro14:34
reedip_s/date/day/14:34
SridarKlets see if we can converge on a day that works for all14:35
yushiroOK, so, I'll add more candidate days (Thursday or ...)14:35
SridarKHow abt Mon ?14:35
yushiro+1!14:35
reedip_SridarK : Lets have a vote on this in the ML14:35
reedip_too many options....14:35
SridarKwe can avoid Fri since it will late Fri eve in Asia14:35
amotokihttp://doodle.com/ is an easy tool for meeting time poll14:36
reedip_people can vote for Monday, Wed and Fri14:36
SridarKso other than Tue or Fri14:36
amotokihehe14:36
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SridarKMon, Wed, Thu14:36
reedip_sorry :)14:36
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SridarKok lets move on14:36
amotokiinterestingly enough, Mon/Tue is different depending on your timezone14:36
SridarKyushiro: can u pls go to topics and action items14:37
yushiroOK.14:37
SridarK:-)14:37
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yushiro#topic Queens14:37
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yushiro#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg  again14:37
yushiroLet me talk about L2-agent14:38
yushiroIn PTG, we decided some TODOs.  Let me explain step by step.14:38
yushiro#link L2agent https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323971/14:39
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yushiro1. We don't need to have 'enable_l2' option for enable/disable functionality.  Because L2 functionality is NECESSARY feature and shouldn't be disabled.14:40
SridarK+1 it will be disabled if the driver is not set14:40
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SridarKand we conform to SG14:41
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annp+114:41
bbzhaoSorry, guys. I have to leave for home, now. I will trace the log, or if there is any problem, I will send u email. Sorry.14:41
yushiro2. We should have 'noop' driver for some reason.  readability and developer ...14:41
reedip_noop is to allow disabling L2 option14:42
yushiro3. There are 'TODO' messages from paddu and need to clean up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323971/54/neutron_fwaas/services/firewall/agents/l2/fwaas_v2.py14:42
SridarKbbzhao: ok no worries14:42
reedip_without the enable_l2 feature14:42
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SridarKyushiro: i will sync with paddu on the TODO msgs14:43
yushiroSridarK, thanks!14:43
bbzhaoSridarK, : :-)14:43
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yushiro4. If an error occurred in agent-side, we should change a state 'ERROR' for firewall_group.  Because we cannot handle during 'PENDING_xxxx' state.14:43
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yushiro5. We should add tempest test for L2 agent functionality14:44
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reedip_yushiro : and fullstack  as well ?14:45
yushiro6. We should add in-tree 'document' for each patches.14:45
yushiroreedip_, ah, yes.14:45
ivasilevskaya1yushiro, by in-tree document you mean an updated spec?14:46
amotoki"Because we cannot handle during 'PENDING_xxxx' state" can be rephrased to "because we cannot apply desired state and handle 'PENDING_xxx' state any more" ?14:46
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yushiroivasilevskaya1, Correct.  Totally same.  It is better for you, eezhova and other reviewers/users.14:46
amotokiivasilevskaya1: it is not about neutron-spec. it is about doc/source in neutron-fwaas repo14:47
amotokiivasilevskaya1: yushiro: it depends on what "spec" means14:47
ivasilevskaya1I meant a spec as in spec :) I know there is one for newton but it doesn't fully match the current implementation14:48
ivasilevskaya1This is really a problem for "people from the outside" (like me and eezhova) who want to help but are blocked by this14:49
reedip_ivasilevskaya1 : As per friday's discussion, we considered that its better NOT to rewrite the spec but create the actual doc. That would work as a spec as well as a document for new developers14:49
amotokiivasilevskaya1: good point, neutron-spec also needs to be updated if it is different from what is actually implemented.14:49
yushiroivasilevskaya1, yes, that' why I suggested to add doc as in-tree doc.14:50
SridarKivasilevskaya1: as a first step we took an action to review the variations14:50
ivasilevskaya1I don't insist on a spec, but on any actual doc that can answer my tricky questions when they appear14:50
SridarKivasilevskaya1: and we will track the "deltas" in an etherpad - so there is no ambiguity14:50
reedip_ivasilevskaya1 : why dont you write it, so that you can answer your own question ....14:50
amotokiivasilevskaya1: as my hat of neutron-drivers team, it is nice if an actual impl is different from what a spec proposes. it decreases confusion from operators/users14:51
SridarKivasilevskaya1: then we can look into overhaul of the spec14:51
xgerman_let’s see how big the delta is before we overhaul the spec14:52
amotokia spec does not need to match a coresponding impl exactly, but if the direction or the scope is different (e.g., impl lands as partial) it would be nice to update it :)14:52
SridarKmy concern is to keep the focus on the L2 and Horizon patches at this stage14:52
xgerman_some variation is expected and normal14:52
ivasilevskaya1ok, that sounds fine14:53
yushiroAt least we should show for ivasilevskaya1 for latest DB/API, L2-agent behavior and default fwg.14:53
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SridarKIIRC we have stuck to the broad themes - i think the deviations are due to some things we discovered durig implementation or with more discussion14:53
reedip_SridarK : yep14:54
xgerman_+114:54
xgerman_so let’s rather do docs  at this stage…14:54
yushiroAH!!!  5 minutes left...14:54
amotokiwe have FWaaS v2 in newton at http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/14:54
xgerman_yes14:54
SridarKyes14:54
amotokiit is confusing. it might be better to move it to somewhere.14:54
amotokiit is at least what we need to do14:55
SridarKamotoki: what is ur guidance on this ?14:55
yushiroivasilevskaya1, reedip_ chandanc , could you have 10 minutes after this meeting?  I'd like to continue l2 and ovs driver TODO.14:55
xgerman_yeah, I am always confused if specs get rolled over or stay in the branch they have been proposed14:55
reedip_hi guys, just FYI : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122285.html is the email for voting the Timing change for FWaaS.14:55
yushiroreedip_, Wow, Thanks!!! so quick.14:55
amotokiSridarK: my suggestion is to propose a patch to move FWaaS v2 from newton to queens14:55
ivasilevskaya1yushiro, sure14:55
reedip_I was bored :P14:56
SridarKamotoki: ah ok14:56
amotokiin my understanding, it did not land in newton - pike14:56
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reedip_amotoki : so can we change the spec in this stage  ?14:56
SridarKthe L2 portions of the spec14:56
amotokireedip_: IMHO it can.14:57
yushiroOK, let's take care of it.14:57
reedip_SridarK : I think we can propose and then see what Neutron Cores have to say14:57
yushiro#topic Horizon support14:57
amotokireedip_: we haven't discussed such thing so far, but IMHO it is okay if the reality is different14:57
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reedip_at max it would be abandoned, but we will still have the doc14:57
SridarKamotoki: ok lets discuss more so we have clarity on it offline14:58
SridarKsorry yushiro go on14:58
xgerman_+114:58
yushirohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/475840/  We should fix firewall-rule selection for fw_policy creation.14:58
SridarKi think we only have a few things to close out on Horizon14:58
yushiroBut root cause is maybe horizon side.14:58
SridarKSarathMekala is not here14:58
yushiroI and amotoki discussed in PTG about this bug.14:59
SridarKshould we wait on that fix14:59
yushiroI will update it.  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475840/14:59
yushiroaha! it's time.14:59
SridarKyes14:59
yushiro#endmeeting14:59
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SridarKlets move to channe14:59
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SridarKthz all for joining15:00
yushiroI'm waiting openstack-fwaas ~~~15:00
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gibi#startmeeting nova notification17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 19 17:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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gibihi17:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_notification'17:00
gibimriedem notified me that he cannot join today so let's see if we have somebody else here for the meeting17:00
gibiI will wait about 5 minutes17:00
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gibiOK time is up. Let's cancel this.17:06
gibi#endmeeting17:06
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