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| jinke | #startmeeting kolla | 10:31 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-10-11-10.31.html | 12:14 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 11 13:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| stephenfin | o/ | 13:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 13:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | ok, let us start the meeting | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | #topic spec | 13:01 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508101/ | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | gmann: I just reviewed today | 13:02 |
| gmann | alex_xu: thanks for review | 13:02 |
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| gmann | so should we keep admin only policies as it is? | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | I think just want to clear why we want to remove those policies | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | gmann: I think so | 13:02 |
| gmann | alex_xu: many of them were added while API extensions were added | 13:03 |
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| gmann | as there is no extensions so those policy does not make sense | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | gmann: yea, so some of them is really not very useful I think? | 13:03 |
| gmann | yea | 13:04 |
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| gmann | i think we progress on this spec to eliminate those set by set | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | ok, probably we should clear that in the spec | 13:04 |
| gmann | sure | 13:04 |
| gmann | like who has default admin only it make sense to keep it | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | yea | 13:05 |
| gmann | and other policy we want deprecation cycle right? | 13:05 |
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| alex_xu | we also should clear why we want to keep the policy for those admin only attributes | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | gmann: I guess so, but good to check with sdague or johnthetubaguy | 13:05 |
| gmann | there are 2 things | 13:05 |
| gmann | 1. policy has default policies to admin only | 13:06 |
| gmann | 2. policies control the admin only attributes | 13:06 |
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| gmann | sdague: johnthetubaguy feedback will be more helpful | 13:06 |
| gmann | let me update spec with your comment by keeping admin related policies and non admin related | 13:07 |
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| gmann | and more clear reason to remove those | 13:07 |
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| alex_xu | 1. we remove some of policies since they are useless | 13:07 |
| gmann | but we are agree that we need deprecation even for not needed policies ? | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | 2. we change some of attributes from the admin-only to the normal user, like user_data | 13:08 |
| gmann | alex_xu: 1 is with deprecation cycle ? | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | gmann: I think both for 1 and 2 | 13:09 |
| gmann | humm | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | gmann: have we talk about the deprecation in the PTG? | 13:09 |
| gmann | we did not get clear on that as policies list was not ready | 13:09 |
| gmann | idea was to discuss this on spec when we have list of policies to review | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | ok | 13:10 |
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| gmann | let's get feedback on spec. as of now deprecation is something look required | 13:11 |
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| alex_xu | gmann: let us clear about the change #1 and #2 in the spec, and then ask wider suggestion like from sdague and johnthetubaguy | 13:11 |
| gmann | alex_xu: sure. +1 | 13:11 |
| gmann | i will update spec by tomorrow | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | gmann: thanks | 13:12 |
| gmann | alex_xu: one thing on this | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | gmann: yea, please | 13:12 |
| gmann | as on LP BP we have 4 items for api extensions and 4th one policies is this spec for | 13:12 |
| gmann | i do not want to hold other item on this. | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | me too | 13:13 |
| gmann | but without spec approve BP will not be approved | 13:13 |
| gmann | and without BP approved code merge might face issue | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | I remember I ask this on the PTG, but I remember sdague said put them all in one is ok, maybe check with sdague again | 13:13 |
| gmann | ok. | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | I feel the api-extension remove and the policy remove are separate thing | 13:14 |
| gmann | or may be we can have 2 BP one like specless and other policy one with sopec | 13:14 |
| alex_xu | yea | 13:14 |
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| gmann | alex_xu: yea actually i encountered this during extension merge and it becomes easy if we get policy things also agreed | 13:15 |
| gmann | but policy agreement can take time | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | yea | 13:15 |
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| gmann | let me separate those on LP. | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | need a little time to review the whole list of policies | 13:15 |
| gmann | yea | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | and each attributes | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova-specs+status:open+message:%22apiimpact%22 | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | I don't have any specific more, looks like there are a lot of spec have apiimpact flag, and I missed the spec review sprint | 13:17 |
| gmann | alex_xu: in last meeting we discuss about abort cold migration API return code | 13:18 |
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| gmann | takashin spec | 13:18 |
| takashin | #link Abort Cold Migration https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334732/ | 13:18 |
| gmann | can you check now if it is ok | 13:18 |
| gmann | it looks ok for me now | 13:18 |
| takashin | alex_xu: Would you review it? | 13:19 |
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| alex_xu | takashin: is this already approved in the last release? | 13:20 |
| takashin | alex_xu: No | 13:20 |
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| takashin | Before I submitted it for Ocata. | 13:20 |
| takashin | But It has not been approved yet. | 13:21 |
| alex_xu | ok, I don't have any problem I think, I probably just need to deep into the detail check the all the API change are good | 13:21 |
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| takashin | alex_xu: Thanks in advance. | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | takashin: np | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 13:23 |
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| alex_xu | anything more people want to bring up? | 13:23 |
| gmann | nothing from my side | 13:24 |
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| stephenfin | nothing here either | 13:25 |
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| alex_xu | ok, let us close the meeting, thanks all! | 13:25 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 11 13:25:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-10-11-13.00.html | 13:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-10-11-13.00.txt | 13:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-10-11-13.00.log.html | 13:25 |
| gmann | thanks alex_xu | 13:25 |
| takashin | See you. | 13:25 |
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| inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 11 15:59:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:59 |
| inc0 | #topic w00t! | 15:59 |
| duonghq | o/ | 15:59 |
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| inc0 | o/ | 15:59 |
| chason | o/ | 15:59 |
| inc0 | still no agenda;) | 15:59 |
| spsurya__ | w00t ! 0/ | 16:00 |
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| spsurya__ | i added below one | 16:00 |
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| vhosakot | o/ | 16:00 |
| egonzalez | woot! | 16:00 |
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| hrw | o/ | 16:02 |
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| chason | Hello guys, I have registered one bp here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/optimize-the-documentation-format. How about to discuss it? :D | 16:03 |
| inc0 | chason: yeah sure | 16:04 |
| inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:04 |
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| inc0 | 1. Zuul v3 is rolling soon (again) | 16:04 |
| inc0 | was suppoised to roll today but infra folk deal with other issues | 16:05 |
| inc0 | anyway, when it rolls, we're going back to code freeze till gates are fixed. We're close, but that'll take some time, hopefully less than a day | 16:05 |
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| hrw | thanks for info | 16:06 |
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| inc0 | 2. I learned last week that I'm not going to summit (:() so please, if someone is going, let me know - we need to take care of Kolla stuff there and I'll need your help with this | 16:06 |
| inc0 | ok let's move on to meeting | 16:07 |
| vhosakot | inc0: I'm going and will do the forum session to collect feedback about kolla form users/ops. | 16:07 |
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| gema | o/ | 16:07 |
| inc0 | #topic docs format | 16:07 |
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| coolsvap | o/ | 16:07 |
| inc0 | chason: go ahead | 16:07 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 16:09 |
| inc0 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/optimize-the-documentation-format | 16:09 |
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| inc0 | well ok I think it's self explanatory | 16:09 |
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| egonzalez | Isn't our docs in rst format? | 16:10 |
| inc0 | I think they are | 16:10 |
| inc0 | I can't recall any non-rst piece | 16:10 |
| chason | egonzalez nop. | 16:10 |
| inc0 | really? | 16:10 |
| hrw | and how it correlates with krtaylor doc changes? | 16:10 |
| inc0 | not that much hrw | 16:11 |
| chason | egonzalez the current rst format is just looks old. | 16:11 |
| krtaylor | so, we have a bp for reworking the documentation in queens to fit the new format | 16:11 |
| egonzalez | They are but not follow all standards | 16:11 |
| inc0 | chason: can we test new approach with our docs somehow? | 16:12 |
| chason | egonzalez Exactly | 16:14 |
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| egonzalez | Is the new sphinx/docstheme version changed? | 16:16 |
| gema | shouldn't we just have one BP to do both things? | 16:16 |
| gema | i.e. create the new documentation on the new format and deprecate the old doc? | 16:16 |
| gema | instead of reworking what we have? | 16:16 |
| krtaylor | yep, thats what we have :) | 16:16 |
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| gema | ah, good, sorry catching up here :D | 16:17 |
| krtaylor | chason, what makes this different? | 16:17 |
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| chason | I think we need to update our doc format following all standards before we can rework them. | 16:18 |
| egonzalez | +1 to a single blueprint, this can be a work item on the main doc rework | 16:19 |
| hrw | +1 too | 16:19 |
| duonghq | +1 too | 16:19 |
| hrw | and then I would give decision to krtaylor as he knows where we are with rework | 16:20 |
| inc0 | chason: when do you upgrade theme? | 16:20 |
| krtaylor | so the idea was to move to the new layout, then have contributors rework individual docs rewriting/refreshing | 16:20 |
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| chason | I will start it tomorrow. | 16:21 |
| krtaylor | we have 2 ToC layout patchsets proposed kolla, kolla-ansible | 16:21 |
| egonzalez | One was merged yesterday iirc | 16:22 |
| krtaylor | chason, it would be good for you to jump on the etherpad and pick a doc you want to rewrite and go for it | 16:22 |
| egonzalez | chason, will docs gate break if docs style dont match? | 16:22 |
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| krtaylor | no, AIUI projects can override as they see fit, it is a recommendation | 16:23 |
| chason | egonzalez never mind. | 16:23 |
| krtaylor | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/queens-doc-restructure | 16:25 |
| chason | I will upgrade them strictly following by documentation contributor guide. | 16:25 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-queens-doc-restructure | 16:26 |
| krtaylor | this is the etherpad for keeping track of which individual docs are being worked on, just put (chason) infront of one and go | 16:26 |
| inc0 | thank you chason for help | 16:27 |
| krtaylor | just list the doc you are working on under ToDo | 16:27 |
| krtaylor | so noone else works on it, please | 16:27 |
| krtaylor | we all dont have enough bandwidth to duplicate efforts | 16:28 |
| chason | krtaylor Roger. :D | 16:28 |
| chason | inc0 No matter. :p | 16:29 |
| krtaylor | egonzalez, you had a question about whether the kolla docs should be under admin or user? | 16:29 |
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| krtaylor | I thought we agreed under admin, inc0 ? | 16:30 |
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| inc0 | yeah | 16:31 |
| inc0 | no particular reason for it, but let's do just admin | 16:32 |
| krtaylor | so, let's pick one of the ToC patchsets and merge it, so we can start working on docs | 16:32 |
| krtaylor | I don't care which | 16:32 |
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| inc0 | ok, anything else in this topic? | 16:34 |
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| inc0 | guess not | 16:37 |
| rwellum | A very late WooT -sorry! | 16:37 |
| inc0 | #topic open discussion | 16:37 |
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| inc0 | anyone? | 16:37 |
| spsurya__ | hi rwellum | 16:37 |
| spsurya__ | inc0: yes | 16:37 |
| mgoddard | hi folks | 16:37 |
| inc0 | spsurya__: shoot | 16:38 |
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| spsurya__ | https://launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+milestone/queens-1 | 16:38 |
| spsurya__ | https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/queens-1 | 16:38 |
| spsurya__ | https://launchpad.net/kolla-kubernetes/+milestone/0.7.0 | 16:38 |
| spsurya__ | inc0: we need target the feature for release | 16:38 |
| spsurya__ | in fact for every release | 16:38 |
| spsurya__ | based PTG discussion | 16:38 |
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| spsurya__ | so that review can be prioritize | 16:39 |
| inc0 | well, we never really done it | 16:39 |
| rwellum | spsurya__: we also have the etherpad of kolla-k8s 1.0 | 16:39 |
| spsurya__ | rwellum: yes we have | 16:40 |
| spsurya__ | some of them need to be converted to BPs | 16:40 |
| rwellum | Yes | 16:40 |
| spsurya__ | rwellum: we need the revise the target too | 16:41 |
| rwellum | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-queens-ptg-k8s-release-roadmap | 16:41 |
| spsurya__ | if I think correctly | 16:41 |
| rwellum | Target? As in release? | 16:41 |
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| spsurya__ | i mean for release 0.8.0 | 16:41 |
| rwellum | Oh right | 16:41 |
| spsurya__ | then for 0.9.0 for finally 1.0.0 | 16:42 |
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| spsurya__ | rwellum: inc0: just for better track | 16:43 |
| inc0 | well we're very light on process | 16:43 |
| inc0 | we barely use blueprints really;) | 16:43 |
| spsurya__ | yeah | 16:44 |
| inc0 | I'd start by moving to storyboard if we want it | 16:44 |
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| spsurya__ | would be good :) | 16:46 |
| spsurya__ | thanks that is all from my side | 16:47 |
| inc0 | ok, mgoddard you wanted to say something too? | 16:47 |
| mgoddard | I have an item for open discussion: future of kayobe & kolla-ansible. It would be good to discuss how these projects will coexist going forward, whether there is any interest in picking up kayobe in some form as a kolla deliverable, or alternatively pushing some kayobe functionality into kolla-ansible | 16:47 |
| inc0 | thank you Surya | 16:47 |
| mgoddard | inc0 sensed my finger hovering over the return key | 16:48 |
| inc0 | mgoddard: I think we should discuss this on ML, that's going to be big increase in scope of kolla-ansibe | 16:48 |
| inc0 | another deliverable on the other hand is lighter | 16:48 |
| inc0 | yet another option would be to have kayobe as full fledged openstack project that consumes kolla + kolla-ansible | 16:49 |
| inc0 | that would give biggest flexibility for you to grow | 16:49 |
| inc0 | tripleo already consume Kolla images | 16:50 |
| mgoddard | inc0 that's a good idea. I'll try to put together my thoughts in an email | 16:50 |
| inc0 | please do, and add [tc] tag to it too | 16:50 |
| inc0 | as these guys can provide awesome feedback too | 16:50 |
| mgoddard | good thinking. | 16:51 |
| inc0 | thanks Mark, your work is totally awesome:) | 16:51 |
| inc0 | anything else? | 16:52 |
| inc0 | anyone? | 16:52 |
| duonghq | me | 16:52 |
| inc0 | go ahead | 16:52 |
| duonghq | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425446/ | 16:52 |
| mgoddard | I think in any outcome there are some kayobe features which might be better placed in kolla-ansible, and it would be nice to push them down. I'll try to think about what these are - I guess that's a more narrowly scoped kolla conversation | 16:52 |
| duonghq | it's keystone zero-downtime upgrade ps, may somebody test and review it? | 16:53 |
| inc0 | yeah, we can break this apart too and push some stuff to k-ans | 16:53 |
| duonghq | ah, sorry mgoddard | 16:53 |
| mgoddard | duonghq, my bad! go ahead :) | 16:53 |
| duonghq | that's all from me, I only want to re-raise the ks patchset, then I or somebody can work on other services upgrade logic | 16:54 |
| inc0 | thanks | 16:54 |
| inc0 | we're at the time, so thank you all for coming! | 16:54 |
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| inc0 | #endmeeting kolla | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 11 16:54:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-10-11-15.59.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-10-11-15.59.txt | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-10-11-15.59.log.html | 16:55 |
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