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rosmaita#startmeeting glance14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 16 14:01:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance'14:01
rosmaita#topic roll call14:01
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jokke_o/14:01
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rosmaitahello folks14:03
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abhishekkrosmaita: hi14:03
rosmaitai see that pranali has something on the agenda, let's wait a minute14:03
rosmaitaabhishekk: welcome back, hope you had a good vacation14:04
abhishekkrosmaita: :D, yes, has taken some rest14:04
rosmaitagreat, you are well-rested and ready to do much work on glance!14:05
rosmaita:)14:05
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abhishekkrosmaita: exactly :D14:05
rosmaita#topic updates14:06
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rosmaitanot much to report14:06
rosmaitaerno and i did 5 sessions at the summit/forum last week14:06
rosmaitathe last 2, "project update" and "image import" had good attendance14:06
abhishekkrosmaita: great14:06
rosmaitathe "zen of glance" was sparsely attended, but one person was really excited about it and gave us good feedback14:07
rosmaitain my spare time, i will integrate some of the info we presented into our docs14:07
abhishekkthat would be really helpful for us14:08
abhishekk(for those who not attended summit)14:08
rosmaitai guess that's it14:08
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jokke_obviously the 3 talks were also recorded if anyone is interested to spend the time and watch14:09
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jokke_I have not watched any of them so I do not know how horribly we performed :D14:09
abhishekkjokke_: sure will do14:09
rosmaitai'm assuming we were fantastic14:09
rosmaitaand i dont' want to ruin that assumption by actually watching14:10
abhishekk;)14:10
rosmaitai uploaded the slides from the talks, so those are there too14:10
rosmaitathere was a slot for the "onboarding" slides, so i put a PDF of the etherpad i put together for that14:10
rosmaitanot sure where that will show up on the openstack website, though14:11
rosmaitathat's all from me about the summit14:12
bhagyashristhat was good talk14:12
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rosmaitai'm still working on the un-uwsgification of glance in devstack14:12
rosmaitathere are some database bugs that the NTT Data team have reported, and some other people have hit14:13
rosmaitathat reminds me that i never held a virtual session about the EMC db upgrades14:13
rosmaitawill aim to do that soon14:14
abhishekkthat would be great14:14
rosmaitanot sure i can do it before thanksgiving holiday in USA, which i think is next thursday and friday14:15
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rosmaitawhich reminds me, i probably will not be available for glance meeting next week14:15
rosmaita(just confirmed that thanksgiving holiday is next week)14:16
rosmaitabut i think most of our contributors at this point are non-USA14:16
rosmaitashould we cancel meeting? or maybe erno and/or abhishekk could chair it14:17
abhishekkshould we take vote for this?14:17
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rosmaitasure!14:17
jokke_We can see if there's anything in agenda and I can chair it ... you could send tentative meeting cancel e-mail and leave the every week stuff out of it14:17
abhishekkagree with jokke_14:17
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jokke_so if there is some actual topics that needs discussion next week, we'll take it on, othewise it's cancelled14:18
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rosmaitaok, sounds good ... let's pick a time to decide yes/no on the meeting14:18
rosmaitalike 14:00 UTC wednesday?14:18
jokke_what was our topic proposal deadline?14:19
jokke_was it COB on Wed or 24hrs before the meeting?14:19
rosmaita24 hours before meeting14:19
rosmaitaline 30 on meeting etherpad14:19
rosmaitawhich i forgot to provide a link to14:19
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda14:20
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jokke_ok, in that case yeah, 1400 wed is good time to make the call if meeting at Thu or not14:20
rosmaita(supposed to do that at the beginning of each meeting)14:20
rosmaitaok, jokke_ can you check the agenda around that time and send out a message if there will be a meeting?14:20
rosmaitai'll say in the weekly email that the meeting is cancelled unless something comes up, and people should watch for an email from jokke_ if a meeting will be held14:21
abhishekksounds good14:21
rosmaitacool14:21
rosmaitaok, next item14:21
rosmaita#topic Can we add computation of virtual_size of image in glanceclient along with size calculation?14:22
*** openstack changes topic to "Can we add computation of virtual_size of image in glanceclient along with size calculation? (Meeting topic: glance)"14:22
abhishekkI guess pranali is not around,14:22
rosmaitai don't think pranali snuck in while we were talking?14:22
abhishekkwhat she is saying is can we calculate virtual size at client side itself14:22
rosmaitahmmm14:23
jokke_and I already once told her not, I think14:23
rosmaitai was kind of liking doing it at the api level ... but i don't think qemu-img supports all the formats that we do14:23
jokke_as that would need the client depending (and running) qemu-image etc. which is never good idea14:23
rosmaitajokke_ ++14:23
abhishekkrosmaita, yes14:23
abhishekkjokke_ ++14:24
rosmaitaalso, there's a security problem, i put a note on her patch14:24
jokke_and we don't want to do it in API nodes either (for the same reason of running qemu-image there) and last thing I want is this being yet another behavioural difference that is configurable ;)14:24
abhishekkdoes that mean virtual_size will always be empty?14:25
rosmaitacan end-users set that?14:25
jokke_no ... user can always set the virtual size ... the actual size they can't14:25
abhishekkjokke_, ok14:26
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rosmaitawell, i think if we put the processing limit on qemu-img and also specifically state the image format, running qemu-img on the nodes is not too bad14:26
rosmaitabut we'll be in the position where some images will have null virtual_size anyway14:26
jokke_rosmaita: yeah, we should then find a way to do it on all supported formats14:27
rosmaitanot sure it makes sense for all formats14:27
rosmaitalike maybe docker?14:27
* rosmaita doesn't know a lot about docker images14:27
* jokke_ neither14:27
abhishekkme too14:27
rosmaitaok, well, i think that jokke_ is correct in marking the bug invalid14:28
jokke_does docker images have virtual size (as in is it fully dependant on the container or does the image specify the storage size)?14:28
rosmaitai also agree that it is *not* a good idea to put this in the client14:28
abhishekki will convey this to pranali14:29
rosmaitai think the thing to do here is ask for at least a spec-lite to explain how to handle all the formats that glance supports14:29
rosmaitai'm not opposed in principle, i think it would be useful for glance to supply the virtual size if it can safely figure it out14:29
rosmaitajokke_ i don't know the answer to your question (i can speculate, but that's not too useful)14:31
jokke_do we offically support other than Linux as host OS (like OSX or Windows)? depending on qemu-image could potentially break those if we do (I have no idea for either case)14:31
rosmaitaok, abhishekk you can point pranali to the meeting log14:32
abhishekkrosmaita: sure14:32
jokke_rosmaita: same here ... if docker images doesn't have that kind of limiting factor I'm ok that being the special case14:32
rosmaitajokke_ i think qemu-img doesn't care what OS is on the image (but i may be misunderstanding your point)14:32
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rosmaitai took a quick look at the qemu-img docs, they mentioned like 4 or 5 formats they support14:33
jokke_rosmaita: I mean do we break that odd 1 deployment running glance on windows or OSX if we depend on qemu-image and if so do we need to care?14:33
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rosmaitajokke_ gotcha14:33
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rosmaitathat would be a good question for the spec-lite, whether qemu-img is supported on all platforms that glance is supporte don14:34
jokke_just as it's non-python binary dependency it might be something we need to be careful about14:34
abhishekkjokke_ ++14:34
rosmaitait's c code, so i guess it can be compiled anywhere :)14:34
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rosmaitaok, if pranali wants to pursue this, that's another question for her to look into ^^14:35
rosmaitaok, anything else on this topic?14:35
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abhishekkrosmaita: nothing for now14:35
rosmaitaok, great14:36
jokke_nothin from me14:36
rosmaita#topic open discussion14:36
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abhishekkI am working on test coverage for IIR with Geetika and Archit, soon we will have a patch for the same (may be by next weekend)14:36
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rosmaitaabhishekk that's excellent news14:36
nikhil./14:36
rosmaitai was afraid to ask about that14:36
rosmaitahello nikhil !14:36
nikhilhey hey14:36
rosmaitanikhil: it's open discussion time14:37
rosmaitanikhil: i think you said last week or maybe the week before that you have some time these days to dedicate to glance reviews?14:37
abhishekkrosmaita, jokke_: look at this patch when you get time, https://review.openstack.org/51954414:38
nikhilrosmaita: yes I do have some time14:38
rosmaitaabhishekk i thought i left a comment on that, but apparently not14:39
nikhillast few days, I've been packing for some long continuous travel ahead14:39
abhishekkI am glad to say I have started to work for redhat from this week14:39
rosmaitaabhishekk: congratulations on your new position!14:40
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nikhilnow that you do remind me (thank you), I will do some reviews ;)14:40
abhishekkthank you :D14:40
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nikhilabhishekk: wow, great news. congrats!14:40
abhishekkgood to have your reviews nikhil :D14:40
rosmaitajokke_ : on that p[atch, i think removing the restore call is correct, otherwise the image won't accept an import call even though there's data in the stage14:40
abhishekkthank you :D14:40
nikhil;)14:40
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rosmaitabut it's a weird race condition that would hit that exception anyway, i think14:41
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* smcginnis takes a look around14:41
rosmaitahi sean14:41
jokke_rosmaita: abhishekk ref that patch, I do agree ... something I clearly did not clean up when doing copy-pasting and modification for that function ;)14:42
rosmaitaso while abhishekk and jokke_ are here, i want to float an idea14:42
rosmaitajokke_ cool14:42
smcginnisrosmaita: o/14:42
rosmaitahi sean14:42
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rosmaitaso the idea i want to float is reinstating nikhil as glance core ... i am having some health issues (not me personally, some family members) and i may have to do a bit of travelling and not have as much time for reviewing stuff over the next 6 weeks or so14:43
rosmaitai don't want that to be a roadblock to getting stuff merged in a timely fashion14:43
smcginnisrosmaita: Sorry to hear that. :[14:43
rosmaitawe don't have to decide right this minute, but i'll probably propose that to the ML soon14:44
nikhilrosmaita: sorry to hear..14:44
rosmaitaso think about it14:44
abhishekkrosmaita: sorry to hear that14:44
rosmaitayeah, aging parents and a disabled sibling ... all having problems concurrently14:44
rosmaitatalk about bad race conditions14:44
jokke_rosmaita: my stand on that is the same as we discussed in the summit ;)14:44
abhishekknikhil will always be good addition14:45
jokke_rosmaita: and I do wish all the best for the family14:45
nikhilthank you abhishekk :)14:45
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rosmaitathanks for the good wishes everyone14:45
nikhil(for kind words)14:45
nikhilrosmaita: yes, get well soon to your family!14:46
jokke_nikhil: abhishekk for the record, when we discussed about nikhil's homecoming to Glance in Syd, I was all up for it as long as rosmaita clears it with nikhil first ;)14:47
abhishekk:D14:47
rosmaitai guess i didn't actually clear it with nikhil14:48
abhishekksounds like marvel movie ;)14:48
jokke_nikhil: in other words didn't want to dump you on the hot seat if you don't have interest or time for it :D14:48
nikhiljokke_: thank you for thinking good of me :)14:48
rosmaitayes, for the record, jokke_ specifically mentioned that nikhil was an awesome reviewer14:49
rosmaitanikhil : are you willing?14:49
nikhiljokke_: I'd love to catch up see where things are (havent paid full attn lately)14:49
jokke_nikhil: np, I know you've had your fair share of challenges and did not want to add to them14:49
nikhilrosmaita: yes14:49
rosmaitaexcellent! i will send a note to the ML after the meeting14:50
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abhishekkgreat, welcome back :D14:50
jokke_ \\o \o/ o// o/714:50
rosmaitawill give people until monday to object ... but since the only people who matter are right here, i don't see any problems14:50
jokke_;)14:50
nikhilthanks14:51
nikhili'd love to catch up individually too14:52
jokke_nikhil: sure, lets make time for that14:52
rosmaitaok, that's a load off my mind ... anything else for open discussion?14:52
jokke_yeah, sorry for absence after the summit ... had "a bit" of jetlag and ISP issues ... should be better now14:53
smcginnisrosmaita: Sorry if I missed it earlier, but did you say you recorded the onboarding material from the summit?14:53
smcginnisjokke_: You're brand new fibre having issues already? :)14:54
smcginnis*your14:54
jokke_smcginnis: them feckers barred my account for not paying the bill that has not issued yet .... I had a bit heated discussion with them this morning14:54
rosmaitasmcginnis i posted a pdf of the etherpad i put together14:55
nikhilsmcginnis: haha, i doubt theres fibre  here14:55
smcginnisjokke_: The joys of ISP customer services. ;)14:55
nikhiloh, wrong nick picked (thought you linked rosmaita , nvm)14:55
jokke_smcginnis: tell me about it ... not a happy camper14:55
rosmaitasmcginnis: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-glance-onboarding14:56
rosmaita(that's the original)14:56
smcginnisrosmaita: Cool, thanks!14:57
rosmaitanp14:57
rosmaitaok, i guess we're done here14:57
jokke_++14:57
jokke_thanks all14:57
abhishekkthank you  all14:57
smcginnis\o14:58
rosmaitaok, thanks everyone!14:58
rosmaita#endmeeting14:58
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Nov 16 14:58:30 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:58
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LouisF #startmeeting service_chaining17:07
vks1hi all17:08
LouisFvks1: hi17:08
LouisF#startmeeting service_chaining17:08
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 16 17:08:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is LouisF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:08
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:08
bcafarelhello17:08
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining'17:08
LouisFhi all17:08
vks1bcafarel: hi17:08
bcafarelhey vks1 LouisF17:08
LouisFbcafarel: thanks for running  meeting17:08
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bcafarelLouisF: np, both weeks were quiet17:09
LouisF#topic agenda17:09
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LouisFhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceFunctionChainingMeeting17:09
LouisFpresented workshop with John Studarus17:11
LouisFhttps://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19051/service-chaining-virtual-security-functions17:11
LouisF30+ attended17:11
bcafarelnice17:12
LouisFseveral labs17:12
vks1nice17:12
vks1LouisF: do we have recording uploaded anywhere ?17:12
LouisFhttps://github.com/OpenStackSanDiego/SecurityServiceChains/blob/master/README.md17:13
LouisFno recording but I think John has left the labs available17:13
LouisFthere give a good introduction17:14
LouisFthey17:14
LouisF#topic Zuul17:15
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LouisFbcafarel: what is status?17:15
bcafarelthe stable branch patches are waiting for someone with +2 power on stable branches to merge them (not urgent)17:16
bcafarelin master we are all good :) jobs definitions are in-repo now, and grafana.openstack.org points to the new jobs now17:16
bcafarelwe can do some enhancements later on, but at least on the migration front, we can mark this as done17:16
LouisFbc great thanks17:17
LouisF#topic tempest split17:17
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bcafarelno news here, I'll bring it to the next neutron meeting on Tuesday (the previous ones were cancelled with the summit)17:18
LouisFbcafarel: thanks17:18
LouisF#topic sfc graphs/nsh dataplane17:18
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LouisFI think we about done with this17:18
bcafarelyes, the remaining parts are in the "python-neutronclient updates" section17:19
vks1bcafarel: thanks for updating neutronclient patch17:20
LouisFdid the branching-point syntax get merged?17:20
bcafarelreviews still open: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:sfc_encapsulation17:21
bcafarelLouisF: in python-neutronclient? not yet but looking good17:21
LouisFbcafarel: yes, thanks17:22
LouisF#topic non-transparent SF17:23
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LouisF https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481840/17:23
LouisFwork to resume17:23
LouisF#topic python-neutronclient updates17:24
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LouisFwork still in progress..17:24
bcafarelit was quiet with most people on the other side of the planet :)17:24
LouisFbcafarel: yes17:25
LouisF#topic api reference17:25
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LouisFi met with Thomas Morin at summit17:25
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LouisFhe had some items for sfc: classifier in vm, common classifier, source network in classifier17:28
LouisFhe also asked if can move the meeting to an earlier time slot17:28
LouisFi know this would help people in eu and india17:29
LouisFsuggestions?17:29
bcafarelI recognize all 3 topics, we talked about them a bit before :)17:30
LouisFvks1: you were looking at sfc metrics?17:30
bcafarelas for time slot, moving earlier works for me17:31
vks1moving to earlier slot is also fine for me17:31
LouisFhow about 1-2 hours earlier?17:31
vks1+117:31
LouisFmaybe on alternate weeks?17:32
LouisFwe can see what slots are available and pick on17:32
bcafarelyes17:33
vks1LouisF: regarding metrics, I am in midst of some changes in my workplace, so didn't investigate on that17:33
LouisFvks1: np, we can add that to the list17:33
bcafarelLouisF: maybe fill a doodle with possible time slots and send it to mailing list? we can all fill our availabilites in17:33
LouisFbcafarel: sounds good17:34
bcafarelvks1: don't dare disappear from networking-sfc, or we will start to feel alone around :'(17:34
vks1bcafarel: haha no no ... I won't be disappearing :)17:35
LouisF+117:35
LouisFok moving on17:35
LouisF#topic vm failure detection17:35
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LouisFwhat is status?17:36
bcafarelvks1? I'd say probably still at the initial thoughts stage17:37
vks1LouisF: me and bcafarel have discussed briefly, but I haven't progressed much there17:38
LouisF+117:38
LouisFok17:38
LouisF#topic other items17:38
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LouisFanything else?17:38
bcafarelI have a small patch I have to writ on networking-odl17:39
bcafarelnow that we accept correlation=nsh, the odl driver should check and require it (as they have always used nsh) and do not allow mpls17:39
bcafarelbut that's mostly to have correct parameters in our db, nothing major :)17:40
LouisFbcafarel: ok thanks17:40
LouisFok, thats all i have17:40
LouisFthanks all17:41
LouisFbye17:41
bcafarelbye!17:41
vks1bye all17:41
LouisF#endmeeting17:41
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