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rosmaita#startmeeting glance14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec  7 14:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glance'14:00
rosmaita#topic roll call14:00
*** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)"14:00
jokke_o/14:00
bhagyashri_so/14:00
abhishekko/14:00
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kairato/14:02
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rosmaitahello everyone!14:02
kairathi14:02
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda14:03
rosmaitahi kairat , good to see you14:03
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rosmaita#topic updates14:03
*** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)"14:03
rosmaita#topic updates - Q-2 milestone14:04
*** openstack changes topic to "updates - Q-2 milestone (Meeting topic: glance)"14:04
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-queens-Q214:04
arcolifeo/14:04
rosmaitait seems like every patch has needed a rebase14:04
rosmaitaon every submission14:04
rosmaitaand the gate has been slow anyway14:05
rosmaitaso it's been taking forever to get things merged14:05
arcoliferosmaita, abhishekk shall I rebase and submit again finally? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523028/14:05
abhishekkunfortunately changes were in one or two files, I should have created dependency :(14:05
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arcolifeit seems the conflicting patch has been aceepted14:05
arcolifes/accepted14:05
kairatdo we the newscrubber work with ssl after refactor?14:06
abhishekkarcolife: not yet14:06
kairati am talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510449/14:06
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jokke_kairat: both glance_store and oslo_db iiuc supports ssl, so yes14:07
kairatcool14:07
gb21\o14:07
rosmaitaso that patch has no +2s ... i was testing it out but got completely sidetracked because something is weird about the scrub time14:08
rosmaitait's not because of wxy's change though14:09
jokke_rosmaita: so due to the gate speed, I proposed the release from what we had merged.14:09
jokke_that was about an hour ago14:09
rosmaitayeah, i guess it's a moot point14:09
rosmaitaok, we will make it a priority for this week to get the scrubber merged14:10
rosmaitaso basically, all we have into Q2 is some bugfixes14:10
jokke_it's a milestone release anyways. obviously I would have lowed to see all the fixes being in the release, but we won't get it out this week if we wait those14:10
rosmaitado we need a release note? because that will take hours to merge14:10
jokke_rosmaita: IIRC we don't necessarily need renos for milestones14:11
abhishekkright14:11
jokke_we really need to start making it a habbit those renos being part of the patch14:11
abhishekkgood idea14:12
rosmaitawe usually do for features14:12
rosmaitawe don't want to require a release note for every bug fix14:12
abhishekkfor bug fixes if it is a api change then we demand for a release note14:12
kairat+114:13
kairatapi change is not a bug fix =)14:13
jokke_well it would make the release life so much easier if there is reno with bugfix14:13
kairat+1 to not require for each bug fix14:13
abhishekkI mean to say APIImpact14:13
rosmaitathe release announcement has a list of the bugfixes14:13
rosmaitalet's go with no special releasenote for Q-2 and see what happens14:14
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rosmaitaok, one other thing14:14
jokke_rosmaita: as said, the release patch is up already, so yeah I'd agree ;)14:14
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rosmaitai've been working on getting the glanceclient gate working again14:14
jokke_++14:15
rosmaitahope to get that done today, there's a problem with devstack and the mysql password14:15
rosmaitaif anyone wants details, will be happy to give them after the meeting14:16
rosmaita#topic updates - barbican14:16
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rosmaitathis is an awareness thing, i don't think it affects glance14:16
rosmaitathough i am bringing it up just to make sure it does not affect glance14:16
rosmaitabarbican has provided services to issue certs, it will no longer do that14:17
rosmaitainfo is here:14:17
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rosmaita#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462363/14:17
rosmaitathe releasenote has a summary14:17
rosmaitait will still store and serve out certs, which is what we use it for14:18
rosmaita(for the image signature stuff)14:18
jokke_hmm-m that's interesting shift in the community14:18
rosmaitaso i don't think there's any impact on us, but i said i'd inform the glance community and ask at our meeting if there is any impact14:19
jokke_suddenly we see people not totally loosing their crap when projects starts removing functionality from their APIs ...14:19
* jokke_ likes that evolving the services is actually let to happen 14:19
kairati have not seen anybody used barbician in prod14:20
kairattbh =)14:20
kairatmaybe it is me14:20
kairatmaybe it is because of barbician=)14:20
rosmaitayeah, it's not widely used, i think mostly universities and labs14:20
jokke_kairat: yes it's just you :P14:20
rosmaita#topic updates - community goals for Rocky14:21
kairatwell, that's great then=)14:21
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rosmaita#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124976.html14:21
rosmaitai am thoroughly sick of community goals, they have not worked out well for glance14:21
rosmaitaplus, this zuul3 migration is causing quite a bit of work14:22
jokke_rosmaita: totally agree14:22
rosmaitanothing against zuul3 -- it's great -- but it has a learning curve14:22
rosmaitai think once it's set up, we'll have more control over our jobs, but the problem is getting to that point14:22
rosmaitaso i am tempted to propose a no-op community goal14:23
rosmaitaeither that, or a general technical debt cleanup goal14:23
rosmaitaeach project would propose to clean up a particular item14:24
rosmaitabut not all projects woudl have to clean up the same item14:24
jokke_I kind of dislike the fact that it seems consistently break the world and the "backwards compatibility" what community expects from everyone else seems to be "Just do the work to migrate the new flow and everything will be fine"14:24
jokke_rosmaita: Do it!14:24
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jokke_totally +1 for the no-op14:25
abhishekk+114:25
rosmaitaok, then i'll find some time to do that14:26
rosmaitathe only proposal i'm aware of is to migrate everyone to storyboard14:26
rosmaitaanyway, i want everyone to be aware that the discussion is happening so that we/you can register your opinion before things get decided14:27
jokke_rosmaita: btw if you propose the no-op you can voluteer me to Champion it :D14:27
rosmaitai am not clear on the timeline, not sure it was said in the email i referenced above14:27
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abhishekk:D14:27
rosmaitajokke_ : accepted14:27
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rosmaitaok, that's all the updates14:28
rosmaita#topic fault classification14:28
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rosmaita#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-December/125082.html14:28
rosmaitathe "fault genes" working group is asking for data to work with14:29
rosmaitai guess this impacts me, i'm expected to respond14:29
rosmaitathey are looking for failures and mitigations14:29
jokke_I did read the e-mail ... formatting made it really painful and at the end I still have no idea what they are trying to achieve, what they actyally want and should I care14:29
rosmaitayeah, the formatting was horrible14:30
abhishekkexactly14:30
abhishekkI am still not clear what they expect14:30
kairatso they want target function between bugs and solutions=)14:30
kairatgood luck to them=)14:30
rosmaitai'm not either, i brought it up hoping that someone here was super-excited about self-healing and wanted to work with them14:30
rosmaitakairat: so glad to have you back at meetings!14:31
rosmaitaok, i'll put together some kind of response so that glance is a good openstack citizen14:31
jokke_rosmaita: you clearly have too much time in your hands :P14:32
kairatyes, finally got some time to work in community+)14:32
rosmaita#topic - policies and the policy layer14:32
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rosmaitathe basic issue is how to have separate policies for stage_image and upload_image and also be able to reuse image.set_data() in both workflows14:32
rosmaitait's brought on by this patch:14:32
rosmaitahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/524060/3/glance/api/v2/image_data.py@10814:32
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rosmaitakairat pointed out that the approach in the patch goes against glance architecture principles14:33
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rosmaitai think nikhil left an agreeing comment14:33
rosmaitanow i have to mention that i did a bad thing at the end of pike14:34
jokke_kairat: are you deeply insulted if I express myself with "Feck the v2 domain architecture which is one of the biggest painpoints in the bollox and if we get rid of that layer, even better"? ;P14:34
rosmaitai introduced a policy specifically to control whether you could use the tasks api or not14:34
rosmaitaand the check for that is in the controller14:34
kairatso I completely agree with you jokke_14:35
jokke_kairat ok cool!14:35
rosmaitabecause it was another of these situations where the current policies had to be used from 2 different workflows14:35
jokke_Feck the v2 domain architecture which is one of the biggest painpoints in the bollox and if we get rid of that layer, even better14:35
kairatin Glare i just replaced all this stuff with one layeer tbh)14:35
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abhishekk(we are facing same with ImageSizeLimitExceeded i guess)14:35
kairatit is not only to policy14:35
kairatis policy is different then notifications might be also14:36
jokke_kairat: nope, but that's likely the easiest layer to get rid of if we start working towards simplifying the core14:36
kairatand so on and so on14:36
rosmaitayeah, once the onion starts unravelling, who knows what will happen14:36
jokke_we all will cry, a lot, until it gets better14:37
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bhagyashri_si would like to hear which approach should i follow to fix this14:37
rosmaitaso the key question at this point is what bhagyashri_s just brought up14:37
kairatso regarding this patch, it would be perfect if we get rid of policy layer first14:37
rosmaitai'm worried about bandwidth14:38
rosmaitait's pretty late in the cycle14:38
abhishekkagree14:38
jokke_yeah, I would not like to demand that from anyone, specially as it's addressing quite important part of the new API there14:38
rosmaitai wonder whether we put these policies in the controller and take on some technical debt14:38
rosmaitathis could be our first step toward removing the policy layer14:39
rosmaitabecause we'll need to make sure we have good test coverage before changing all the policy stuff14:39
jokke_rosmaita: I'm all for that. perhaps we should get someone writing untargeted spec or at least dev doc paragraph for that 'though14:40
rosmaitanikhil had a suggestion about using a staged image proxy or something14:40
jokke_doesn't need to be part of this PS, but just so that we're clear why we are moving away from the old design and why we have stuff all over the place14:40
rosmaitaok, well, i'll write up something this weekend as a spec draft14:41
rosmaitado we want to agree now that bhagyashri_s patch is ok putting the policy stuff in the controller?14:41
jokke_rosmaita: I'm totally fine with that14:41
abhishekk+114:42
rosmaitaand that if the spec to move policies isn't agreed on, we will have to rework bhagyashri_s policy-in-controller stuff14:42
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rosmaitawe can look at bhagyashri_s patch as an experiment for how we want to migrate the policy code14:42
rosmaitakairat how does that sound to you?14:43
jokke_although I'm bit concerned putting even policy control to the import, but maybe it's just deployer headache if the want to fool around with it14:43
rosmaitai think we need to have it14:44
rosmaitaok, at least this unblocks bhagyashri_s14:45
rosmaita#topic backports to stable/pike14:45
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rosmaitaactually, one backport is on my mind14:45
jokke_why? we have already create image policy and I'm not convinced that anyone should be allowed to create image but not use the import to make it happen ... but as said we're total mess anyways so maybe it's just one more thing to add to deployers problems14:45
rosmaita#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/171812514:45
openstackLaunchpad bug 1718125 in neutron "Missing some contents for install prerequisites" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Xie (eric-xie)14:45
rosmaitajokke_ if you can't create an image with current policies, aren't you prohibited from making server images?14:46
jokke_rosmaita: we can continue that on glance channel after the meeting or open discussion if we have time14:47
rosmaitajokke_ agreed14:47
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rosmaitaanyway, this bug was a doc fix which has happened in master14:48
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rosmaitaproblem is, people are looking at the pike docs, where it's missing14:48
rosmaitabig net split event ... anyone still here?14:48
McClymontSI am here14:48
abhishekkI am14:48
jokke_yeah14:48
rosmaitaso anyway, people wanting to use pike are being good openstack citizens and filing a bug about the incorrect docs14:49
jokke_rosmaita: if you have well contained patch we can backport, sure thing ... I'm all up for fixing the stable docs14:49
rosmaitaso i'd like to backport the doc fix and republish14:49
rosmaitai don't know whether republication would happen automatically or not14:50
jokke_rosmaita: we can figure that out with dhellmann or someone else who actually know how the doc builds works14:50
rosmaitaright14:50
rosmaitaso do we want to do just a docfix release of stable/pike?14:50
rosmaitaor look for other worthy backports?14:50
jokke_I'm not sure if we need to even release for that, but lets figure it out14:51
jokke_I think the docs might be built on post14:51
rosmaitaok, too bad sean isn't here today14:51
jokke_I think he might b bit busy with releases14:52
rosmaitaoh yeah ... that14:52
rosmaitaok, i'll ask sean and doug for advice next week after the releases are out14:52
rosmaita#topic open discussion14:52
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jokke_#success Glance Q2 is released14:52
rosmaitawow, that was fast14:53
abhishekk\o/14:53
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jokke_rosmaita: automation is incredible thing :D14:53
rosmaitaok, congratulations everyone, and please celebrate by reviewing the scrubber refactor14:53
rosmaitahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/510449/14:53
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rosmaitai was playing with the scrubber, and i don't know whether it's my setup or what, but the delay time isn't working quite right14:54
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rosmaitai think i have a mismatch between mysql utc in database and maybe local time in scrubber14:54
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rosmaitabut i'm not sure14:55
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rosmaitain any case, that's independent of wxy's changes14:55
rosmaitajust wondering if anyone else had noticed that14:55
abhishekktoday I haven't got time to test but I will test it before monday14:55
bhagyashri_so/14:55
rosmaitaabhishekk that's fine14:56
bhagyashri_ssorry to interrupt actually my hexchat application was suddenly off14:56
rosmaitalet's aim to get the scrubber change merged by next week's meeting14:56
jokke_rosmaita: are you sure it's independent? it does change how the time is evaluated14:56
bhagyashri_si lost the topic discussion14:56
jokke_bhagyashri_s: open discussion14:56
rosmaitajokke_ i'll have to look more closely14:56
bhagyashri_si would like to put some points here14:57
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bhagyashri_sActaully I am ready with patch to add 'import_image' policy as per the kairat sugesstion to implement policy checks in policy layer as per the architecture of v2 in glance.14:57
bhagyashri_sAs the policy name is hard-coded in code so IMO we will need separate method ( for example set_import_data()) implementation like set_data() method for 'import_image' policy at each layer (domain, location, proxya and notifier) etc.14:57
abhishekkbhagyshri_s: no need to make any changes to your patch as of now14:57
bhagyashri_si will check the logs as well14:57
rosmaitabhagyashri_s thanks14:57
bhagyashri_sAnd one more point that I have observed and would like to say you on the current master: no policy is applied for stage API call (in short set_data() method is not used or come in pictureat the time of stage) so how and where this newly introduce policy 'stage_image' will be applied? because image data is set using the add() method14:57
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rosmaitabhagyashri_s i think it will have to be applied at the controller14:58
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bhagyashri_syeah on the current patch is possible14:59
rosmaitawe can continue discussion in the glance channel, we're just about out of time14:59
bhagyashri_sso should i make changes on same patch14:59
jokke_sure, thanks all15:00
rosmaitathanks everyone! and please review the scrubber patch! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510449/15:00
bhagyashri_ssure15:00
rosmaita#endmeeting15:00
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sjmc7sorry i’m late - IRC difficulties15:07
lei-zhmorning : )15:08
sjmc7i think i’m ok now as long as i don’t touch anything15:08
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lei-zhexcept keyboard15:09
sjmc7thanks for looking at those reviews15:09
sjmc7yes, except the keyboard15:09
sjmc7i submitted the q-2 release on tuesday (i was reminded that i’d missed doing it for q-1)15:10
sjmc7it includes the policy-in-code changes and a few scattered bug fixes15:10
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lei-zhguess we don't have too many things this release15:12
sjmc7no.. i have noticed from our internal use of SL that there are occasionally times when nova updates cause date/time conflicts15:12
sjmc7i’m not sure whether it’s because the timestamps aren’t precise enough or what but i am going to try to fix it15:13
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sjmc7don’t really have any big things other than that - it works well enough for what we need it for, at least15:13
sjmc7i did notice that the API working group is suggesting everyone implement changes-since on their APIs15:14
lei-zhthe conflict sometimes appears like a ghost15:14
sjmc7which might let us do reindexing more efficiently (if resources are soft-deleted)15:14
sjmc7yeah15:14
sjmc7it’s because nova sends a lot of updates in a short space of time15:15
sjmc7and the state change updates are processed much faster than the others15:15
sjmc7the versioned notifications would improve it a lot i think but that patch is still lurking15:15
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lei-zhis versioned notification still a target of this release15:16
94KAAJME9if i can get it reviewed :)15:16
lei-zhi like your new nickname : )15:17
94KAAJME9yeah, not sure what’s going on there :(15:17
94KAAJME9one sec15:17
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sjmc7_not sure who i am now :)15:19
lei-zhlooks pretty good15:19
lei-zhping me if you need help on versioned review15:20
sjmc7_i’ll maybe give the versioned patch a try again and check it still works15:20
lei-zhcool15:20
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sjmc7_are you going to be at the PTG?15:20
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lei-zhnot sure about that...15:21
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lei-zhthis time is in ireland, right?15:22
sjmc7_yeah. too far for me to travel15:23
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lei-zhmuch closer to your home : )15:23
lei-zhnormally we'll have a nova guy there15:23
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sjmc7_i’ll keep an eye on what comes out of nova and glance15:26
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lei-zhso your team use sl internally?15:28
sjmc7_yeah15:29
lei-zhcool15:30
sjmc7_yeah, we’re running it a load in kubernetes. it’s worked pretty well as far as i can tell15:30
sjmc7_we’re actually running it cross region too, similar to what travis and i spoke about ages ago in austin i think15:31
lei-zha central service to contain all the region resources15:33
lei-zhyeah, i remember15:33
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sjmc7_ok, i didn15:34
sjmc7_t have anything else so might as well let you get on with your evening15:34
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lei-zhok15:34
lei-zhhave a nice day15:34
sjmc7_i’ll let you know about the notification patch15:35
sjmc7_you too!15:35
sjmc7_#endmeeting15:35
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sjmc7#endmeeting15:38
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"15:38
openstackMeeting ended Thu Dec  7 15:38:03 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:38
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2017/openstack_search.2017-12-07-15.07.txt15:38
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2017/openstack_search.2017-12-07-15.07.log.html15:38
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