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ifat_afek#startmeeting vitrage08:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 13 08:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vitrage'08:00
idan_hefetzHi!08:00
eyalbhi08:00
ifat_afekHi :-)08:00
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_adarymornin'08:03
ifat_afekToday’s agenda:08:03
ifat_afek•Status and Updates08:03
ifat_afek•Open Discussion08:03
ifat_afek#topic Status and Updates08:04
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ifat_afekNo general updates this time.08:04
ifat_afekMy update: I am working on the execute-mistral refactoring.08:04
ifat_afekSpecifically, I’m about to push a change that allows different template validation and loading per-version.08:04
ifat_afekIt will also modify the execute-mistral action (as an example for the different validation and loading).08:04
ifat_afekThat’s it for me08:05
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idan_hefetzI'll update08:05
idan_hefetzI've been working to test this commit:08:05
idan_hefetzhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/527608/08:06
idan_hefetzeventlet for rpc enforces using eventlet.monkey_patch caused all08:07
idan_hefetzSo far we have been using the eventlet monkey patch for rpc, enforces using this caused vitrage to effectively use a single thread08:07
idan_hefetzThis commit removed the monkey patch and changes rpc to threading08:08
idan_hefetzso vitrage may use actual threads08:08
idan_hefetzThat's it08:09
ifat_afekThanks08:09
ifat_afekAnyone else wants to update?08:09
ifat_afekSeems like we are very few today… so let’s move on to the open discussion08:11
ifat_afek#topic Open Discussion08:11
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ifat_afekSomeone named Minwook contacted me and asked about adding in Vitrage the capability to perform performance tests.08:11
ifat_afekHis idea is to right-click on a VM, and select “execute Rally test” or “execute Yardstick tests”. The result of the execution will be inserted as additional information on the VM.08:12
ifat_afekAfter talking about it with some of you, let me share our initial thoughts, and feel free to comment.08:12
ifat_afekShould this feature be used in production? Does it make sense to execute benchmarks in a production environment?08:12
ifat_afekRegarding the ability to run external actions from Vitrage entity graph: This could be is a great idea.08:13
ifat_afekIn addition to performance tests, we could also think of other actions like ‘execute Mistral workflow’.08:13
ifat_afekThe list of actions should be configurable, and upon selection an action-specific UI should be opened with the needed parameters.08:13
ifat_afekAt first I thought that Rally/Yardstick datasources should be added, but in his latest mail Minwook suggested to add lightweight performance test functionality in Vitrage itself.08:14
ifat_afekPersonally, I don’t think that Vitrage was meant for it, but I’ll be happy to hear other people08:14
ifat_afekAnother requirement is the ability to add performance test output as properties to an existing resource.08:15
ifat_afekIt requires the ‘merge datasource / datasource equivalence’ feature that we didn’t implement yet.08:15
eyalbI don't think that vitrage should do it he can write a tool that queries vitrage and do what ever he wants08:15
ifat_afekThat’s it08:15
ifat_afekI think you are right. His tool will probably query the system and then send the output to Vitrage08:16
eyalbbut why should vitrage show his output ?08:16
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ifat_afekBTW, I asked his permission to continue the discussion on the openstack-dev mailing list08:16
ifat_afekVitrage could show the performance properties on top of an instance, this could give more information to the user08:17
ifat_afekAnd it will happen upon demand08:17
eyalbbut vitrage is not a tool for performance tests08:18
ifat_afekAlthough I have a feeling that he mixes tests for the integration phase with Vitrage that is used for production. Doing benchmarks on top of Vitrage doesn’t make sense, it will affect the runtime environment08:19
ifat_afekVitrage could trigger perfromance tests, but should not execute them itself08:19
ifat_afekThat’s it for me. Any other open issues?08:20
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ifat_afekAn update from Muhamad Najjar: he has made changes in the database, so for existing devstacks you need to pull the latest code and run ‘vitrage dbsync’08:22
ifat_afekBye, see you next week :-)08:23
eyalbbye08:23
idan_hefetzcheers08:23
ifat_afek#endmeeting08:24
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gmann#startmeeting nova api13:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 13 13:00:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_api'13:00
gmannwho all here today13:01
gmannseems like no one. waiting for another 2 min..13:02
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* gibi is here13:04
gibibut I have nothing to add :)13:04
gmanngibi: hi13:04
gmannok, as you are here i will just put some review and then we can close early13:04
gmannone is this one  - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/526558/13:05
gmannwe need more feedback on this, Sam sent ML also13:05
gmann#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-December/125401.html13:05
gmannother review from my side which are deprecation things13:06
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gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/526258/13:06
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/526297/13:06
gmanngibi: for you ^^ :)13:06
gibicool :)13:07
gibithanks13:07
gibithere is a bp13:07
gmanngibi: thanks13:07
gibihttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/pagination-add-changes-since-for-instance-action-list+status:open13:07
gibiit is api related13:07
gibiand seem close to land13:07
gibiI just adding here for the log :)13:08
gmanni remember of doing some patches review in this series13:08
gmanni will do tomorrow13:08
gibithanks13:08
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gmanngibi: anything else you want to bring, i have nothing more for today13:09
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gibiI have nothing lese13:09
gibielse13:09
gmannok, thanks. let's close it.13:09
gmann#endmeeting13:09
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inc0#startmeeting kolla16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 13 16:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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inc0#topic w00t!16:00
duonghqo/16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kolla'16:00
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egonzalezWoot  o/16:01
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inc0ok let's start16:03
inc0#topic announcements16:04
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inc0we released 5.0.2 and 4.0.3:)16:04
Jeffrey4lhrm, this is still WIP. not done ;(16:04
hrwinc0: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/kolla/refs/tags does not show those tags. nor 5.0.1 one16:05
inc0oh16:05
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inc0?16:05
Jeffrey4lhrw no tag image right now. and other images is pushed manually.16:05
rwellumThe tag is 'pike' I think16:05
Jeffrey4lother tag images are pushed manually.16:06
inc0well, git tags are pushed manually16:06
hrwok16:06
inc0ehh, sorry, my brain no worky16:06
Jeffrey4land seems ceph lunimouse issue is not solve in pike ubuntu.16:07
hrwjust being picky as if something gets released as x.y.z then it has to be x.y.z tag to be sure which commit release was16:07
inc0git tags aren't there because release team postes few questions in our release change16:07
inc0yeah16:07
inc0that too16:07
inc0ok let's move to meeting16:08
hrwcommunity announcements?16:08
inc0aaaa16:09
inc0right16:09
hrwbbiab16:09
inc0community announcements?:) thanks hrw16:09
* hrw in car service16:09
inc0guess not16:09
hrwLinaro started building queens16:10
inc0nice16:10
hrwaarch64 only, debian/source only16:10
inc0which is master right?16:10
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hrwall pushed to hub.docker.com/linaro16:10
hrwyes. master16:10
inc0cool16:10
hrwwe use queens-YYYYMMDD as tag16:10
Jeffrey4lshould we move these image to hub.docker.com/kolla namespace?16:10
inc0at some point, now they're not testable16:11
hrwJeffrey4l: once we get to usable point16:11
inc0I'm not sure if they're buildable in gates16:11
hrwbuild was yesterday and we just started tests16:11
inc0gates are all amd6416:11
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inc0...until we get arm nodepool16:11
* inc0 looks at hrw and gema intently16:11
Jeffrey4lcool.16:11
hrwhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/527726/ is needed to get rabbitmq buildable16:12
hrwhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/527712/ is rabbitmq itself16:12
inc0let's talk about it in regular agenda item16:12
hrwok16:12
inc0#topic remove tarballs.o.o images with a migrate note.16:12
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hrwgive me 5 minutes for service talk16:12
inc0Jeffrey4l: you added this?16:12
Jeffrey4lyes.16:12
inc0yeah I agree with this, we should remove tarball images, although they never meant to be used16:13
Jeffrey4lnow the images on tarballs.o.o is not updated since Oct.16:13
inc0so I guess we can just delete it16:13
Jeffrey4lyes.16:13
Jeffrey4lneed ask help from infra team and better leave a index.html file to show the user,16:14
Jeffrey4lhe can down images from hub.docker.com right now.16:14
inc0yeah agree16:14
inc0allright any other comments?:)16:15
Jeffrey4lcool. that's all about this topic.16:15
inc0ok cool16:15
inc0#topic open discussion16:15
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inc0soo Linaro images16:15
inc0until we get gating on them, we can't build tem16:15
hrwre16:16
inc0currently we don't have nodepool with arm, so we need to wait for it to happen first16:16
Jeffrey4lis there any roadmap that openstack infra to support arm64? or use thirty part ci?16:16
inc0someone has to donate arm nodepool16:16
inc0that's all there is to it16:16
inc0well that and maybe we'll need some way to schedule arm jobs on arm nodepools, not sure if zuul can do it today16:17
hrwlast time I heard we are blocked by size of our lab when it comes to new machines16:17
inc0how about your public cloud?16:17
hrwI expect situation to sort out 'soon'16:17
hrwwould have to ask how we are there. was at ~90% of capacity last time16:18
inc0just so you know, infra only needs tenant16:18
hrwwhatever16:18
inc0but yeah16:18
inc0after that's done16:19
inc0we can easily add arm jobs16:19
hrwI recently handled 2 build slaves for bigtop jenkins. but that was from bigdata team resources16:19
inc0and arm publisher if need be16:19
hrwI am aware16:20
inc0sooo anything else on that topic?:)16:20
hrwimho not16:21
inc0ok16:21
Jeffrey4labout pike next realese?16:21
inc0any other topics for open discussion?:)16:21
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inc0what do you mean Jeffrey4l16:21
inc0?16:21
Jeffrey4lhow about release next z stream now and solve the ceph luminous later.16:22
Jeffrey4lguess it can not be solve soon.16:22
inc0well not sure16:22
hrwhow we are with ceph at all?16:22
inc0gates aren't there yet16:22
Jeffrey4lnext z stream is 5.0.1, which is delayed for long.16:22
inc0but before zuulv3 they were up16:23
inc0not sure what's wrong, still debugging16:23
Jeffrey4lhrw, ubuntu UCA is upgrade to ceph luminoue at the end of the pike cycle.16:23
Jeffrey4land we have no time to implement this in pike.16:23
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rwellumI have something inc0 when we have a chance.16:23
Jeffrey4lso we pin to ceph Jewel.16:23
Jeffrey4lwhereas, ubuntu seems hard to pin the ceph install version. ;(16:24
hrwas long you are fine with qemu 2.5 it is not that hard16:24
inc0well16:24
inc0there were issues with that16:24
inc0and for some reason uca also pinned qemu 2.6 to ceph l16:25
hrwI had a patch in review which went to jewel images for ubuntu16:25
hrwinc0: 2.5 is in xenial repos16:25
inc02.6 is in UCA16:25
Jeffrey4l#link https://review.openstack.org/52733916:25
Jeffrey4lhrw check this ^^16:26
inc0egonzalez: you up?16:26
egonzalezYep16:26
hrwhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/505786/3 was my last attempt16:27
hrwon same stuff16:27
inc0problem I'm having is ubuntu-binary is often broken16:27
inc0now ubuntu-source is broken as well16:27
inc0I mean now it works, but after we rever it'll break16:27
hrwfor R release we should move to use ceph-ansible and then ceph is no longer our problem?16:28
inc0we agreed to release L16:28
inc0ceph L16:28
Jeffrey4lhrw, if you use external-ceph, you can use ceph-ansible to deploy the ceph.16:28
inc0that would mean we can deprecate it by the end of Queens16:28
hrwinc0: I mean ceph L in queens, ceph-ansible in openstack-R-release16:29
inc0and remove it in S16:29
Jeffrey4linc0, deprecated what?16:29
inc0R will still have ceph because of deprecation policy16:29
inc0Jeffrey4l: on ptg we discussed dropping ceph from kolla-ansible16:29
Jeffrey4lhrm :/16:30
inc0we decided we will discuss it again16:30
hrwptg. have to check are there new details and ping boss16:30
inc0reason is, ceph-ansible is better at deploying ceph than we are16:30
Jeffrey4lok. i will check ceph-ansible later.16:31
Jeffrey4lnever tried that project16:31
inc0basically focus on external ceph rather than deployed by us16:31
inc0you also have ceph-deploy which works well16:31
Jeffrey4lyes. should improve external ceph support16:32
inc0so idea was16:32
inc0we deprecate Ceph in k-ans16:32
inc0provide migration path to ceph-ansible16:33
hrwhave to go. thanks for discussion guys16:33
inc0cya hrw16:33
Jeffrey4lhrw, bye16:33
inc0anyway, discussion for later, we need L in Queens16:34
Jeffrey4lthe ceph lunimous patch is merged already.16:35
inc0oh is it?16:35
Jeffrey4land other related patch is under reviewing.16:35
Jeffrey4ljust image part.16:35
inc0mind linking please?16:35
inc0ah16:35
Jeffrey4lkolla-ansible is not merged16:35
serlexhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/ceph-luminous+(status:open+OR+status:merged)16:35
Jeffrey4lserlex, thanks16:35
inc0all merged16:36
Jeffrey4lupgrade is not tested. but it should work.16:36
Jeffrey4lwill test this later.16:36
inc0nice16:36
inc0soo16:36
egonzalezCool16:36
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inc0are we done?:)16:37
duonghqo/16:37
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inc0hey duonghq got anyhting?16:37
rwellumo/16:37
inc0ahh16:37
inc0Rich first16:37
inc0sorry man16:37
* inc0 is not fully awake16:37
inc0rwellum: shoot16:37
rwellum Can we enforce somehow, that if bugs are fixed in Services in kolla-ansible, that at least the bugs are reported against kolla-k8s? Because I spend a lot of time fixing issues, that were fixed a long time ago in kolla-ansible.16:37
rwellumHas hit me in Pike and Master. Don't expect ports, but would be great to know what's been fixed.16:38
inc0yeha that's what my worry when we moved genconfig to k-k8s16:38
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Jeffrey4lrwellum, at this point, we need a cross jobs to connect kolla and kolla-kubernetes.16:38
Jeffrey4li guess the issue is not exported because kolla-k8s is still using the old images? or ci is broken?16:39
inc0that was also the argument - gates would fail16:39
inc0I guess somehow tney didnt?16:39
rwellumSome of it is new features, and fixes for those features. Some of it is non-voting gates16:39
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Jeffrey4lnormally it is hard to solve such kind of issue by enforcing human. better solve through code/ci.16:40
rwellumAgreed. Just rasing awareness. It's been a couple of releases since that genconfig was moved and I see a wide disparity between the 2 projects.16:42
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inc0that might be our que to move configs to helm tbh16:42
rwellumI never really understand why I see more issues that the gates, my assumption is the gates have work-arounds I don't see.16:42
rwellum+1 inc016:42
rwellumThat's it from me. I had a question about the tagging from above - but I can ask that outside of meeting. ty.16:43
inc0duonghq: you have the floor16:43
duonghqthank inc016:43
duonghqI just try to deploy cinder with NFS backend,16:44
duonghqand I got issue about permission (seem that our cinder require the dir is own by cinder user, but current is nobody)16:44
duonghqI'm not sure it's only my issue or the Kolla one,16:44
duonghqI follow our guide16:44
egonzalezThere is a change in review queue about something similar16:45
egonzalezhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/514639/16:45
duonghqI'll try it, but it think it doesn't solve my issue (I workaround by set the dir mode to 777)16:46
Jeffrey4lseems the same16:46
Jeffrey4lduonghq, if not, could you file a bug with a detailed description?16:47
duonghqJeffrey4l, sure16:47
duonghqthank you16:47
Jeffrey4lguess it can not be solve in the meeting ;)16:48
duonghqya, I'll try as your suggestion16:48
Jeffrey4lok.16:49
Jeffrey4lanything else? duonghq16:49
inc0ok, duonghq anything else in this topic?16:49
duonghqno, I'm done16:49
Jeffrey4li want to talk docker images squash.16:49
inc0go ahead16:49
Jeffrey4lthis is talked before in ptg or summit.16:49
inc0yeah16:49
inc0this keeps coming back16:49
mrhillsmani have something16:50
inc0way to shring images16:50
mrhillsmanoctavia :)16:50
mrhillsmanlbaasv216:50
Jeffrey4lsome one complained that kolla images have much layers.16:50
inc0mrhillsman: after Jeffrey4l if we have some time16:50
mrhillsmandoes it work out the box - change yes to no16:50
mrhillsmanok16:50
Jeffrey4lhere is a approach to solve the issue https://review.openstack.org/52587116:50
inc0we can talk on regular channel too16:50
mrhillsman;)16:50
Jeffrey4lbut it will consume much lots of extra IO.16:50
inc0issue with that approach Jeffrey4l is - look at image build time16:50
inc0righrt16:50
inc0so it's really tradeoff16:51
Jeffrey4lit increased the build time.16:51
Jeffrey4lhttp://logs.openstack.org/71/525871/10/check/kolla-build-ubuntu-source/bbbde53/logs/docker-info.txt.gz16:51
Jeffrey4lyou can see the layers from here.16:51
inc0also squash afair was experimental in 1.1316:51
inc0and squash alone won't shring images16:51
inc0we'd also need to add cleanups16:51
Jeffrey4linc0, no. docker squash is still experimental feature. and it won't works as expected.16:52
inc0which will increase image size without squash16:52
Jeffrey4linc0, no extra cleanup in fact.16:52
inc0oh?16:52
Jeffrey4lit is jusing docker-squash tool and it will overwrite the image and delete the old image after squashed.16:52
inc0well, I thought biggest benefit of squash is that we can remove files and such16:52
inc0ah16:52
inc0not that kind of cleanup16:53
inc0what I'm saying is for squash to really work we'd need to rm all the files irrelevant to end image16:53
inc0like apt-cache and such16:53
Jeffrey4li get what you mean ;)16:53
Jeffrey4lyes.16:53
inc0and squash afterwards16:53
Jeffrey4lwe can remove them and do the cleanup in the leaf images.16:53
Jeffrey4lmrhillsman, yes, it works and need some extra configuration.16:54
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inc0well base images still going to be big16:54
Jeffrey4loh, seem not move the cleanup to the end of the image.16:54
inc0well, end of every image16:54
Jeffrey4loh yes. should move the cleanup to the *16:54
inc0would work16:54
inc0but that's even longer16:55
Jeffrey4lyes. a extra jinja macro should works.16:55
inc0right16:55
inc0let's keep experimenting16:55
Jeffrey4lanyway, this another topic.16:55
inc0yeah16:55
inc0ok, we have 4 min left16:56
krtaylorI have a topic since Jeffrey4l and inc0 are here - the build config override bug16:56
inc0mrhillsman: shoot16:56
Jeffrey4lbut first step, we can implement to solve the much layers issue. in case anybody want to use this.16:56
inc0krtaylor: on kolla channel in a second:)16:56
krtaylorsounds good16:56
mrhillsmanwell, i switched lbaasv2 and octavia to yes16:56
mrhillsmanbut the neutron_server container just keeps restarting16:56
inc0if it is in globals it *should* work ootb16:56
inc0but we don't have gates for octavia16:57
mrhillsmansaying it cannot find the plugins16:57
inc0so probably a bug? let's debug in regular channel16:57
Jeffrey4lmrhillsman, i can give you some doc about this.16:57
mrhillsmaneven just lbaasv2 without octavia16:57
mrhillsmansame, says it cannot find what it needs (plugin)16:57
Jeffrey4lmrhillsman, restarting that sound like a bug.16:57
mrhillsmanjust wanted to check before i started digging into it more16:57
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mrhillsmanJeffrey4l that doc would be great16:57
Jeffrey4lmrhillsman, it should work. we tested, at least for ocata release.16:58
mrhillsmani just wanted to have proper expectations before troubleshooting16:58
inc0usual question is - did you build images yourself?16:58
inc0anywyay16:58
inc0let's move to kolla channel16:58
mrhillsmanfollowed the guide on building16:58
mrhillsmanok16:58
Jeffrey4lmrhillsman, check this http://paste.openstack.org/show/628874/16:58
inc0we ran out of time16:58
inc0thank you all for coming!16:58
inc0#endmeeting kolla16:58
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Jeffrey4lthanks all guys16:59
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