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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 10 08:00:35 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi :-) | 08:00 |
| eyalb | \0/ | 08:00 |
| idan_hefetz | Hi | 08:02 |
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| yujunz | hi | 08:02 |
| ifat_afek | Today’s agenda: | 08:02 |
| ifat_afek | * Status, updates and Queens roadmap follow-up | 08:02 |
| ifat_afek | * Open discussion | 08:02 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Status, updates and Queens roadmap follow-up | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status, updates and Queens roadmap follow-up (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:03 | |
| ifat_afek | Queens release timeframe: | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | The release deadline for python-vitrageclient: January 25 | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | This is also the (recommended) feature freeze | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | The release candidate deadline is February 5-9 | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | My updates: I almost finished the code for supporting get_attr function in the templates, and I verified that it works for Mistral workflow | 08:04 |
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| ifat_afek | All I have left to do is to update the validators with the function syntax, and add documentation. I will finish it today or tomorrow | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532274/ | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | That’s it for me | 08:04 |
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| idan_hefetz | I will update, for a few people not present here | 08:06 |
| idan_hefetz | We have three features at risk: | 08:06 |
| idan_hefetz | 1. Graph persistancy - storing the events and acationalay the entire graph, so virtrage can be restarted and load from the database. | 08:06 |
| idan_hefetz | This is important for very large deployments. this is likly to finish on time, but will be turned off by default. | 08:06 |
| idan_hefetz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/530650/ | 08:06 |
| idan_hefetz | 2. Template crud - allow for template add/remove via api without restarting Vitrage. only the evaluator workers are restarted. | 08:06 |
| idan_hefetz | The work in this feature is onging and may not end in time, i it will be ready despite the complexity. | 08:06 |
| idan_hefetz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/530640/ | 08:07 |
| idan_hefetz | 3. Webhooks - allow the use to receive notifications according to filters, this is very close to being finished. | 08:07 |
| idan_hefetz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/530587/ | 08:07 |
| idan_hefetz | I think these are important features, and we should try hard to finish on time, even if it will be at the end of the version. | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | I agree | 08:08 |
| eyalb | +1 | 08:08 |
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| ifat_afek | For the template CRUD, we should push the new API by January 25, if we believe that the backend will be ready (the backend development can delay a bit after that date) | 08:08 |
| ifat_afek | I’m about to finish with my Mistral tasks this week, so I’ll be able to help if needed | 08:09 |
| Liat | Hi | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | Other tasks that I thought of taking are either the NetworkX 2.0, or to help with the tempest tests | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | We have only two weeks left for the feature freeze... | 08:10 |
| eyalb | I will update | 08:10 |
| eyalb | working with <chandankumar> on separating the tempest tests from vitrage | 08:11 |
| eyalb | this is an on going work will take some time | 08:11 |
| eyalb | we already have 40 patches :-( | 08:11 |
| eyalb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528528/ | 08:11 |
| idan_hefetz | only 40 :) | 08:12 |
| eyalb | we also need to seperate the dependency between vitrage-tempest and vitrage | 08:12 |
| ifat_afek | by now ;-) | 08:12 |
| eyalb | which is a major refactoring | 08:12 |
| ifat_afek | Any chance this will be done in Queens? | 08:12 |
| eyalb | tempest is an e2e test should be able to run on a machine with no vitrage | 08:13 |
| ifat_afek | And any chance the tempest separation can work without the complete refactoring? | 08:13 |
| eyalb | maybe I dont know | 08:13 |
| eyalb | for now it can work | 08:13 |
| eyalb | with workarounds | 08:14 |
| ifat_afek | So you are trying to fix the build failure and hoping it will work without the refactoring? | 08:14 |
| eyalb | yes | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | OK | 08:15 |
| eyalb | thats it | 08:15 |
| yujunz | My updates. | 08:15 |
| yujunz | I was inspecting the code about state aggregation and action tracker | 08:16 |
| yujunz | Almost done | 08:16 |
| yujunz | I will amend the suspect alarm blueprint after that | 08:16 |
| yujunz | That's it | 08:17 |
| ifat_afek | Ok, thanks | 08:17 |
| ifat_afek | Are you planning to implement some of the new features in Queens, or will they be postponed to Rocky? | 08:17 |
| yujunz | Some of the new features are easy to implement, but not as important as this one. | 08:18 |
| yujunz | I want to clarify this one first | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | Makes sense | 08:18 |
| yujunz | And during the document review, may got sometime to work on other small features. | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | Ok. So some of the specs will eventually move to Rocky folder (we can do it later) | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | Or maybe we can keep them under queens/approved | 08:20 |
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| yujunz | Yes, I think we can do the movement for Rocky after PTG | 08:20 |
| ifat_afek | Ok | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | And speaking of the PTG - I have no updates yet. Didn’t see any email with a schedule for the PTG | 08:21 |
| yujunz | I also see some projects holds a backlog directory for approved but suspended blue prints | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | But you are all welcome to start adding ideas for the discussions | 08:21 |
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| yujunz | Which encourage contributors to pick them up | 08:21 |
| yujunz | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/backlog/index.html | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-ptg-rocky | 08:22 |
| yujunz | I didn't see update from PTG organizer | 08:23 |
| yujunz | But I saw activity in other projects similar to us | 08:23 |
| ifat_afek | The backlog could be an idea. But in your case I guess you plan to implement those specs, just in Rocky | 08:23 |
| yujunz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-ptg-rocky | 08:23 |
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| yujunz | We may copy some of its format to make the schedule together | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | What do you mean? | 08:24 |
| yujunz | I mean put driver, topic, description, who's interested and etc | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | Ok | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | We have more than a month to plan the PTG, but I think it’s a good time to start adding ideas | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | Anyone else has updates, before we move on? | 08:26 |
| peipei | Hi, I'll update for snmp parsing service. | 08:27 |
| peipei | I have finished distributing parsed snmp traps to the RabbitMQ queue and relative test cases. This bp is almost done.:) | 08:27 |
| ifat_afek | Great. Do you think it will be finished for Queens? | 08:27 |
| peipei | Yes. | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | :-) | 08:28 |
| peipei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532381/ | 08:28 |
| yujunz | Great :-) | 08:28 |
| peipei | Codes of alarm datasource processing snmp trap and config file are added in functional test case because there is no snmp triggered alarm in true environment for now. | 08:28 |
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| peipei | Users can add the codes to their alarm datasource when true snmp triggered alarm is supported. | 08:28 |
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| ifat_afek | Ok, I’ll have a look later today | 08:29 |
| dwj | My updates. Still working on support Vitrage in TripleO. I try to install undercloud and then merge my code to deploy vitrage in overcloud. But many issues of installing undercloud, troubleshooting now : ( | 08:29 |
| peipei | Ok. | 08:29 |
| ifat_afek | dwj: Thanks for taking care of it | 08:30 |
| ifat_afek | Sounds complicated... | 08:30 |
| dwj | : ( | 08:30 |
| dwj | crying face~ | 08:31 |
| ifat_afek | You’ll make me cry too… :-( | 08:31 |
| idan_hefetz | Is this on gerrit? | 08:31 |
| dwj | No, I want to pass the test and then post the code to gerrit | 08:32 |
| idan_hefetz | To tripleo gerrit? | 08:32 |
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| dwj | Yes. | 08:33 |
| idan_hefetz | Ha, OK, good luck :) | 08:33 |
| ifat_afek | Good luck | 08:33 |
| ifat_afek | Anyone else wants to update? | 08:34 |
| dwj | I think it can not be finished in Queens release, so maybe it's better to pass the test and then post to TripleO gerrit . | 08:34 |
| ifat_afek | I didn’t understand. The test is the first thing that you do, and then there are other tasks that you won’t finish for Queens? | 08:35 |
| yujunz | Do you mean test with basic integration only? | 08:37 |
| yujunz | And after it passed, there could be more steps | 08:38 |
| dwj | More than 3 projects are needed to fix and to deploy the env | 08:38 |
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| ifat_afek | So you are thinking of adding to Queens whatever you manage to finish by then, and the rest will be postponed to Rocky? I think it makes sense, but it probably depends on how TripleO manage it | 08:39 |
| dwj | Yes. | 08:40 |
| ifat_afek | Ok | 08:41 |
| ifat_afek | Any other updates? | 08:42 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 08:43 |
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| ifat_afek | I have one issue: I got an email regarding Story Board. Story Board should eventually replace launchpad, and some of the projects already migrated to it | 08:44 |
| yujunz | I've used that before in another project | 08:45 |
| ifat_afek | We were asked to migrate as well. We should think when would be a good time. Personally, I prefer to finish the Queens urgent tasks first. | 08:45 |
| ifat_afek | If you already know how to work with it, it will definitely help | 08:45 |
| ifat_afek | Anyway, I haven’t really checked it yet, just saw the email before the meeting | 08:45 |
| yujunz | I also think it is not urgent. Maybe we can put it as a topic on PTG | 08:47 |
| ifat_afek | That’s it for now, I think | 08:47 |
| ifat_afek | Sounds good | 08:47 |
| ifat_afek | Any other issue to discuss? | 08:47 |
| yujunz | There is another event in March, the Open Networking Summit 2018 | 08:48 |
| ifat_afek | Are you attending it? | 08:48 |
| yujunz | Probably | 08:48 |
| yujunz | OPNFV Summit is merged into this event | 08:48 |
| yujunz | Any of you plan to attend it? | 08:49 |
| ifat_afek | I’m not sure | 08:49 |
| eyalb | mayabe you can "sell" vitrage :-) ? | 08:49 |
| yujunz | #link https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/open-networking-summit-north-america-2018/ | 08:49 |
| ifat_afek | I didn’t know about it until now... | 08:49 |
| yujunz | The CFP ends on Jan 14, if you have any ideas to propose eyalb :-) | 08:50 |
| eyalb | "vitrage the solution for your cloud " :-) | 08:51 |
| ifat_afek | yujunz: are you going to submit session proposals? anything you had in mind? | 08:52 |
| yujunz | I have a proposal submit about OPNFV Clover project which I am currently focusing on | 08:52 |
| ifat_afek | BTW, I believe we will soon be asked to submit session propsals for Vancouver | 08:52 |
| ifat_afek | What’s Clover? | 08:53 |
| yujunz | Clover = Cloud Native for NFV | 08:53 |
| ifat_afek | Isn’t it what OPNFV is all about? why is it a separate project? | 08:53 |
| ifat_afek | And how does it integrate with Vitrage? ;-) | 08:54 |
| yujunz | OPNFV is not about NFV integration and testing | 08:54 |
| yujunz | Not much related so far | 08:54 |
| ifat_afek | Ok | 08:55 |
| ifat_afek | Any other issue? we have 5 more minutes | 08:55 |
| ifat_afek | Let’s close the meeting | 08:57 |
| ifat_afek | Bye :-) | 08:57 |
| eyalb | bye | 08:57 |
| dwj | Bye | 08:57 |
| yujunz | Bye | 08:57 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 10 08:57:29 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2018/vitrage.2018-01-10-08.00.html | 08:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2018/vitrage.2018-01-10-08.00.txt | 08:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2018/vitrage.2018-01-10-08.00.log.html | 08:57 |
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| inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 15:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 10 15:58:16 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:58 |
| inc0 | #topic w00t! | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "w00t! (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:58 | |
| duonghq | o/ | 15:58 |
| duonghq | wo0t | 15:58 |
| inc0 | good morning/afternoon/evening everyone! | 15:58 |
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| chmarkus | hello | 15:59 |
| chmarkus | I'm completely new to this but would like to attend the kolla meeting too, is this okay? | 16:00 |
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| coolsvap | Ao/ | 16:00 |
| hrw | o/ | 16:00 |
| rwellum | o/ | 16:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | o/ | 16:00 |
| inc0 | chmarkus: not only okay but encouraged and great:) welcome! | 16:00 |
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| chmarkus | inc0, do I need to raise my arm too? :D | 16:00 |
| egonzalez | o/ woot | 16:01 |
| gema | o/ | 16:01 |
| inc0 | yes, raising and waving arm is mandatory. | 16:01 |
| chmarkus | o/ | 16:01 |
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| * gema gema giggles at the waving "arm" | 16:02 | |
| * hrw waves arm64 | 16:02 | |
| chason_ | o/ | 16:02 |
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| hrw | no arm32 in range ;d | 16:03 |
| inc0 | lol | 16:03 |
| inc0 | 64 arms of Kolla | 16:03 |
| hrw | inc0: good idea for ptg photo | 16:03 |
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| inc0 | my managers would disagree;) | 16:03 |
| hrw | but first have to find 32 users/devs | 16:03 |
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| inc0 | anyway, let's move on to actual meeting | 16:04 |
| inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:04 | |
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| inc0 | I'll be away for next 2 weeks or so people, Jeffrey4l will handle next 2 meetings | 16:04 |
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| Jeffrey4l | np inc0 :D | 16:05 |
| inc0 | thank you:) | 16:05 |
| inc0 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-rocky-ptg-planning | 16:05 |
| inc0 | rwellum was nice enough to start ptg etherpad, let's start planning sessions and what we want to achieve there | 16:06 |
| inc0 | any community announcements? | 16:07 |
| inc0 | guess not | 16:07 |
| hrw | debian/aarch64 support fully merged into kolla - we may not have to push things into queens ;D | 16:07 |
| hrw | one patch left in kolla-ansible and also ready for testing | 16:08 |
| inc0 | rocky*;) queens is current release | 16:08 |
| inc0 | also congrats! awesome job | 16:08 |
| inc0 | make sure to add juicy release note about that | 16:08 |
| inc0 | and some docs | 16:08 |
| egonzalez | hrw, you done? awesome o/ | 16:08 |
| rwellum | +1 | 16:08 |
| egonzalez | +1 | 16:08 |
| Jeffrey4l | +1 | 16:09 |
| hrw | egonzalez: you as Linaro team I assume ;d | 16:09 |
| egonzalez | yep | 16:09 |
| gema | we are doing manual testing | 16:09 |
| gema | and starting the ARM64 gates | 16:09 |
| gema | which may or may not make it for queens | 16:09 |
| inc0 | let's talk about this on this meeting please | 16:10 |
| inc0 | for now, let's move on to agenda item | 16:10 |
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| inc0 | #topic mariadb 10.1 | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mariadb 10.1 (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:10 | |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l: that was yours? | 16:10 |
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| Jeffrey4l | np.. | 16:10 |
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| hrw | we still not moved rpm distros and ubbuntu to 10.1 | 16:11 |
| inc0 | ah right, and debian has just 10.1 | 16:11 |
| hrw | or in other words: debian got everything for 10.1 now | 16:11 |
| inc0 | including tested upgrade? | 16:11 |
| hrw | https://review.openstack.org/531656 is the only debian/mariadb change | 16:12 |
| hrw | inc0: we do not have 10.0 setups | 16:12 |
| Jeffrey4l | there is no xtrabackup in debian? | 16:12 |
| hrw | and no one tested centos/aarch64 nor ubuntu/aarch64 - both may be at 10.1 anyway too | 16:12 |
| inc0 | we will need to make 100% sure we can upgrade before putting this to buntu/centos | 16:12 |
| Jeffrey4l | aha,ignore above. | 16:13 |
| Jeffrey4l | mariabackup is a better choice. | 16:13 |
| hrw | inc0: indeed. | 16:13 |
| inc0 | we're 3 weeks before rc1, do you guys think it's enough time to do it? | 16:14 |
| duonghq | inc0, have we had upgrade logic? | 16:14 |
| inc0 | I mean, change itself shouldn't be that hard but it's data we're talking about so we should be very careful | 16:14 |
| inc0 | duonghq: we didn't really upgrade mariadb between middle versions | 16:15 |
| inc0 | which means we didn't really need it till now | 16:15 |
| duonghq | as mariadb docs, it should be done quite easy, but anybody can confirm it? | 16:17 |
| duonghq | #link https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/upgrading-from-mariadb-100-to-mariadb-101/ | 16:17 |
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| duonghq | https://mariadb.com/kb/en/library/upgrading-from-mariadb-galera-cluster-100-to-mariadb-101/ | 16:18 |
| duonghq | we have galera for test too | 16:18 |
| duonghq | I think it's risky enough | 16:18 |
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| inc0 | hmm...can we bump it to rocky? | 16:20 |
| duonghq | IMHO, +1 for Rocky | 16:20 |
| inc0 | persistent data upgrades is not something I'd like to rush | 16:20 |
| inc0 | hrw: debian works now right? | 16:21 |
| duonghq | or should we start vote on ml? | 16:21 |
| gema | we have not tested upgrades either | 16:21 |
| Jeffrey4l | f you are running an older 10.0 version with Galera 25.2.x, it is recommended to first upgrade to the latest 10.0 version, running Galera 25.3.x. See Galera versions for an indication. | 16:21 |
| inc0 | vote will take us even closer to release | 16:21 |
| Jeffrey4l | we need confirm this at first. | 16:21 |
| hrw | inc0: yes | 16:21 |
| inc0 | let's do this, if someone picks up this task with requirement of thorough upgrade testing, we might squeeze it into Q | 16:22 |
| hrw | Jeffrey4l: so maybe let upgrade centos/ubuntu to latest 10.0 + 25.3.x and then in rocky do 10.1? | 16:22 |
| inc0 | but we need volunteer for that. unless we find this person, it's one of first things we'll work on in Rocky | 16:22 |
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| Jeffrey4l | hrw i am not sure. the official docs said that. no idea why will happen if we don't do this. | 16:23 |
| hrw | that way we get latest stuff in Q, people will upgrade to Q and then with R they migrate | 16:23 |
| hrw | and release note of R needs to have "you have to go through Q or upgrade eats your kitten" | 16:24 |
| hrw | kind of 'safe way' | 16:24 |
| duonghq | hrw, afaik, nobody in OPS world want to jump over one version :P | 16:25 |
| inc0 | duonghq: you'd be surprised... | 16:25 |
| hrw | duonghq: never had to work in devops | 16:25 |
| inc0 | anyway, openstack itself doesn't support skip version, neither will we | 16:26 |
| hrw | duonghq: we will do jump newton-queens at linaro clouds | 16:26 |
| inc0 | and non-kolla to kolla | 16:26 |
| hrw | yep | 16:26 |
| egonzalez | centos is using latest 10.0 version, we must be good with this requirement | 16:26 |
| inc0 | you guys will have interesting times;) | 16:26 |
| gema | inc0: you washing your hands of it? :D | 16:26 |
| Jeffrey4l | the good new is: centos is using mariadb 10.0 + galera 25.3 | 16:26 |
| duonghq | inc0, I agreed | 16:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | so it is safe to upgrade to 10.1 | 16:27 |
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| duonghq | Jeffrey4l, good news | 16:27 |
| inc0 | cool | 16:27 |
| hrw | Jeffrey4l: Q or P you mean? | 16:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | since ocata | 16:27 |
| hrw | coolio | 16:27 |
| hrw | what about ubuntu? | 16:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | checking ~~ | 16:29 |
| hrw | ubuntu has 10.0.33 + 25.3.22 at http://nyc2.mirrors.digitalocean.com/mariadb/repo/10.0/ubuntu/pool/main/ | 16:29 |
| egonzalez | repos point to 10.0 too, is not pinned afik | 16:29 |
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| Jeffrey4l | cool. at least all the distro are ready to bump to mariadb 10.1 | 16:31 |
| inc0 | ok, soo...anyone up for a challenge? | 16:32 |
| inc0 | crickets | 16:33 |
| gema | xD | 16:33 |
| Jeffrey4l | based on the doc, what's the challenge is? | 16:33 |
| inc0 | well bump versions and test upgrade | 16:33 |
| Jeffrey4l | i think just like upgrade from ocata to pike ( which mariadb version is not changed ) | 16:34 |
| Jeffrey4l | test is need .. | 16:34 |
| inc0 | right, that's the challenge:) | 16:35 |
| inc0 | anyway, if someone wants to take on it, cool, if not, Rocky | 16:35 |
| inc0 | and high priority task in R | 16:35 |
| inc0 | do we agree on this? | 16:35 |
| Jeffrey4l | +1 | 16:36 |
| hrw | +2 | 16:36 |
| chason_ | +1 | 16:36 |
| duonghq | +1 for make it high priority in R if we cannot make it roll in Q | 16:36 |
| gema | +1 | 16:36 |
| inc0 | ok, cool, let's move on:) | 16:36 |
| inc0 | #topic open discussion | 16:36 |
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| chmarkus | o/ may I add another topic? | 16:36 |
| hrw | chmarkus: go | 16:36 |
| inc0 | chmarkus: yes, now is the time | 16:36 |
| chmarkus | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/support-alpine-distro-base-image | 16:36 |
| hrw | chmarkus: next time add topic to wiki page too | 16:37 |
| chmarkus | yes, sorry need to make an OpenID account yet | 16:37 |
| inc0 | but before we move to it, we already started discussion about different architectures | 16:37 |
| chmarkus | next time ;) | 16:37 |
| inc0 | let's finish this and we'll move to alpine | 16:37 |
| chmarkus | ok | 16:37 |
| inc0 | so, biggest issue for us now will be zuul support for archs | 16:37 |
| inc0 | we'll need to work with infra to add somethign like this | 16:38 |
| gema | inc0: happy to take on that task | 16:38 |
| hrw | gema: how things are when it comes to infra talk? | 16:38 |
| gema | hrw: email sent this morning, PTL aligned with us but wanted to open the discussion to wider audience | 16:39 |
| inc0 | they're really cool people and we'll figure it out | 16:39 |
| inc0 | yeah, let's join this openstack-dev discussion | 16:39 |
| gema | people congratulating us for the work privately but no open responses yet on the ML | 16:39 |
| gema | it is a bad time in the cycle also | 16:39 |
| gema | with the release happening | 16:39 |
| gema | plus this is not something we dump on infra, we'll make it work | 16:40 |
| gema | and submit patches, as usual | 16:40 |
| inc0 | and I'm sure zuulv3 is still having hickups every now and then | 16:40 |
| gema | inc0: but kolla is not fully on zuulv3 yet, right? | 16:40 |
| inc0 | it is | 16:40 |
| gema | ok, so starting there will be good | 16:40 |
| inc0 | kolla-k8s is not yet, but that's not relevant here | 16:40 |
| gema | ack | 16:40 |
| hrw | there is only zuul. same on nova | 16:40 |
| inc0 | good news is the moment we'll figure out gates, publisher comes automatically | 16:41 |
| gema | goodio | 16:41 |
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| gema | so let's see what infra say and then I can start adding stuff, adding yaml files in places, and installing stuff | 16:41 |
| hrw | o yes. end of 'out of disk space' in a middle of a build | 16:41 |
| gema | I don't want to dump this on them | 16:41 |
| gema | but we'll need their expertise to make it work | 16:41 |
| gema | most likely | 16:41 |
| inc0 | you'll need their help anyway, but again, I'm sure they'll be happy to assist | 16:42 |
| gema | yup | 16:42 |
| gema | inc0: and as soon as we have the thing going, our members will happily add more hardware to it | 16:42 |
| inc0 | PTG is close enough as well so if it turns out to be tricky, we can discuss it there | 16:42 |
| gema | yep | 16:43 |
| inc0 | that's great to hear, thank you! | 16:43 |
| inc0 | ok, anything else on this topic? | 16:43 |
| gema | nope, thanks for volunteering as guinea pigs :D | 16:43 |
| egonzalez | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+spec/mariadb-version-upgrade | 16:43 |
| inc0 | thanks egonzalez | 16:44 |
| inc0 | ok, let's move to alpine | 16:44 |
| inc0 | chmarkus: you have the floop | 16:44 |
| inc0 | floor | 16:44 |
| chmarkus | thank you | 16:44 |
| inc0 | so on that note, we discussed alpine before | 16:44 |
| inc0 | like 2 years ago | 16:45 |
| inc0 | back then alpine didn't have many packages we require | 16:45 |
| inc0 | like ceph | 16:45 |
| inc0 | or galera | 16:45 |
| inc0 | so it was a no-go for us | 16:45 |
| inc0 | now things might've changed | 16:45 |
| chmarkus | for my company I'm currently trying to add alpine support to kolla - I'd like to collab with you as much as possible to provide any enhancement upstream | 16:45 |
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| inc0 | well if you guys work on it, let's do it upstream | 16:46 |
| inc0 | many people would be happy with this | 16:46 |
| inc0 | and I'm sure you'd have help | 16:46 |
| gema | yep, we are interested | 16:46 |
| chmarkus | that would be great | 16:46 |
| inc0 | biggest issue were this package availability | 16:46 |
| chmarkus | I'm aware that not all services/containers will be compatible with alpine | 16:46 |
| hrw | I think that first you need to get base image working. then mariadb, openstack-base and target all-in-one setup | 16:47 |
| inc0 | well if some less popular services would be ok I guess, we can document that some things won't work with alpine | 16:47 |
| inc0 | but ceph was one example of *really* important service that was missing | 16:47 |
| chmarkus | the goal is to provide alpine support for every core service that proves to be compatible | 16:47 |
| chmarkus | I would like to fallback to other base images (e.g. ubuntu) for incompatible ones | 16:48 |
| hrw | chmarkus: you are adding new distro, new way of installing packages etc. so getting base may take a bit | 16:48 |
| inc0 | soooo ceph is very outdated | 16:48 |
| chmarkus | I started looking into base today | 16:48 |
| inc0 | out there | 16:48 |
| inc0 | well due to layering if you need to fallback to different distros, you'll lose all advantages from alpine | 16:49 |
| hrw | inc0: are there no plans to move to ceph-ansible in R anyway? | 16:49 |
| chmarkus | but aren't the services separate containers? | 16:49 |
| inc0 | I guess compute node services are all possible to be on alpine so that's good | 16:49 |
| inc0 | hrw: we don't have it fully planned yet | 16:50 |
| hrw | ko | 16:50 |
| egonzalez | hrw, we need a upgrade path to them | 16:50 |
| gema | hrw: the move will happen after luminous, (according to last discussion) | 16:50 |
| inc0 | chmarkus: they are, but alpine's big benefit is being small | 16:50 |
| inc0 | and if you have ubuntu already downloaded, adding next ubuntu container will only consume space of layers added | 16:50 |
| hrw | linaro/debian-source-nova-compute queens-20180109 dc3287faeab7 22 hours ago 1.29GB | 16:51 |
| hrw | beat that ;d | 16:51 |
| inc0 | so having 10 ubuntu based containers will not consume 10*image size, just 1*base image + diff | 16:51 |
| chmarkus | inc0, okay I get your point | 16:51 |
| chmarkus | but isn't it also an improvement in regards to security/reliability? | 16:51 |
| inc0 | it will be beneficial to have compute node services in alpine tho | 16:51 |
| inc0 | as usually they're more numerous | 16:51 |
| inc0 | alpine over say centos? | 16:51 |
| hrw | chmarkus: 60 debian images (3 different base images) take 8.5GB | 16:52 |
| inc0 | I wouldn't argue otherwise - centos/ubuntu repos are more curated than alpine | 16:52 |
| inc0 | but having control on ubuntu and compute on alipne should be possible | 16:53 |
| inc0 | maybe something to consider | 16:53 |
| inc0 | I'd start with use case like that | 16:53 |
| hrw | :) | 16:53 |
| inc0 | chmarkus: in any case, I'd start with some PoC | 16:54 |
| chmarkus | that's what I'm planning to do | 16:54 |
| inc0 | cool | 16:54 |
| inc0 | I'd be interested to see it:) | 16:55 |
| chmarkus | going from base to openstack-base towards one service, let's say nova | 16:55 |
| hrw | good idea | 16:55 |
| inc0 | so try doing all compute services on alpine | 16:55 |
| inc0 | that's nova, openvswitch, neutron, libvirt | 16:55 |
| duonghq | I think nova + libvirt is enough for PoC | 16:56 |
| inc0 | yeah | 16:56 |
| inc0 | I'm pretty sure we won't be able to make storage/control nodes on alpine at least until ceph is better supported | 16:56 |
| chmarkus | okay, so I guess it would be beneficial If I attend this meeting regularly for the organizational part? | 16:56 |
| gema | +1 | 16:57 |
| inc0 | make sure to join #openstack-kolla irc channel | 16:57 |
| chmarkus | and discuss the technical stuff on the other channel | 16:57 |
| inc0 | this is our day-to-day communication | 16:57 |
| hrw | and release early, release often | 16:57 |
| inc0 | for harder stuff [openstac-dev] mailing list will ensure longer discussin, but broader audience | 16:57 |
| inc0 | and welcome:) | 16:58 |
| duonghq | btw, we will remove internal ceph soon, so do we still need ceph officially? | 16:58 |
| inc0 | anyway, we're running out of time | 16:58 |
| chmarkus | thanks, looking forward to the collab | 16:58 |
| inc0 | duonghq: well *if* we remove it soon then no | 16:58 |
| duonghq | ack | 16:58 |
| inc0 | but that's not decided 100% and won't be easy | 16:58 |
| duonghq | yep | 16:59 |
| inc0 | because we need to provide migration path to whatever our new solution for ceph would be | 16:59 |
| gema | we need ceph until ceph-ansible supports ARM64 :S | 16:59 |
| gema | which we are working on | 16:59 |
| inc0 | ok, we ran out of time | 16:59 |
| inc0 | thank you all for comming! | 16:59 |
| gema | thank you! | 16:59 |
| inc0 | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 10 16:59:44 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-01-10-15.58.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-01-10-15.58.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2018/kolla.2018-01-10-15.58.log.html | 16:59 |
| hrw | thx | 17:00 |
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