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apuimedo#startmeeting kuryr14:04
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 15 14:04:21 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is apuimedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:04
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)"14:04
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kuryr'14:04
apuimedoHi and welcome everybody14:04
apuimedowho's here for the kuryr meeting?14:04
leyalHi14:04
danilhi14:04
kaliyaHi apuimedo, *14:05
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yboaronhi14:05
irenabhi14:05
irenabapuimedo, I have some conflicting meeting, apologize in advance for low participation14:05
apuimedoirenab: ok14:05
apuimedo#topic kuryr-kubernetes14:05
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apuimedo#info There was a very interesting video meeting today about network policy14:06
apuimedothanks for that leyal14:06
apuimedoand now14:07
apuimedothe biggest topic14:07
apuimedo#info os-vif 1.8.0 was released14:07
leyalapuimedo, thanks , and thanks to all participate :)14:07
apuimedoit does two things that break us14:07
apuimedo1) It decided to drop ips from subnet and move them to vifs, which makes sense, but it probably should have been a major release14:08
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apuimedothis breaks our controller code that generates the os-vif object14:08
apuimedo2) They break the ovs loading we do for the CNI binary14:08
apuimedoby having some clever code that detects when you try to load the module from an import callstack that does not include os-vif14:09
yboaronapuimedo, can you elaborate abour ovs loading ? why do need that ?14:09
apuimedoPersonally I am inclined to get rid of os-vif14:10
apuimedo(that would need doing our own ovo14:10
apuimedoand adding hybrid bridge binding support14:11
apuimedoyboaron: honestly I do not remember why we load it in main14:11
apuimedoit may be related to building the binary or a limitation with pyinstaller14:11
irenabapuimedo, shouldn't os-vif be backward compatible?14:12
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apuimedoirenab: that's what I thought14:13
apuimedobut if I didn't misunderstand the code14:13
apuimedowhich I may14:13
apuimedothe controller should be fixed for the new os-vif objects14:13
apuimedowhich I started doing on Friday night14:13
apuimedoand the receiving end should be able to leverage the bc14:13
apuimedoby asking for the old version of the object14:14
apuimedohowever...14:14
apuimedoI did not find code in os-vif that translates to the old version14:14
apuimedoso I have my doubts that it will work14:14
apuimedounless there is some magic I missed14:14
apuimedodulek: how well versed are you with OVO?14:16
apuimedoIIRC it was used heavily in cinder14:16
dulekapuimedo: Pretty okay. :)14:17
dulekapuimedo: I'll take a look for compatibility code.14:17
apuimedodulek: could you take a quick look when you have a bit of time to see if the conversion of the ovo in the cni side will work14:17
apuimedoi.e., create a vif OVO in the new form, serialize it14:18
* dulek pulls the newest repo.14:18
apuimedoand try to see if it can be made back into a primitive of the 1.0 version that cni expects14:18
irenabapuimedo,so currently kuryr code is broken sich os-vif requirement was updated?14:19
apuimedoirenab: yes, our requirements point to >= 1.714:19
apuimedoand 1.8 breaks us hard14:19
apuimedolike really herd14:19
apuimedo*hard14:19
dulekapuimedo: There's no make_compatible method, so it cannot be backported by the object itself.14:20
dulekWhich is very frustrating, because what is the point of using o.vo then?14:20
apuimedodulek: that's what I thought14:21
apuimedothat's plain useless14:21
apuimedoxD14:21
apuimedohonestly I got very mad when I saw that14:21
apuimedomy WTF per minute increaased a lot between 12 and 3am last Fri14:21
apuimedoxD14:21
apuimedoso, what do you all think?14:22
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yboaronapuimedo,  u need to be in bed at 3 AM :-)14:22
dulekI understand their explanation from the commit message. Though they've assumed that Nova and Neutron are the only consumers.14:22
apuimedodo we file a bug on the lack of make_compatible and push the community for a 1.8.1 release14:22
apuimedoyboaron: I wish, but I can't stand it when I don't know why things don't work14:22
apuimedoor do we just make our own smalled ovo for vifs?14:23
dulekapuimedo: I just wonder if make_compatible can work in a cross-object manner.14:23
apuimedodulek: I had told them that we used it back in atlanta14:23
apuimedodulek: why shouldn't it?14:23
apuimedoI'm honestly asking14:23
irenabapuimedo, what are the benefits to keep using os-vif?14:24
dulekapuimedo: I mean data is moved between objects. If no ips field is provided for Subnet, then it would be hard to magically get the field value in make_compatible.14:24
apuimedoirenab: to be able to use their ovs hybrid firewall driver14:25
apuimedoand admittedly, now that they moved to pyroute2, the perf will be less bad14:26
apuimedodulek: shouldn't make compatible know about the needs to move it from vif.fixed_ips to vif.subnet.ips ?14:26
apuimedoirenab: getting rid of it is a bit more work14:27
apuimedobut has two advantages14:27
apuimedowe can probably have a smaller vif annotation14:27
dulekapuimedo: Ah, we want VIF.make_compatible, not Subnet.make_compatible. Yeah, that's possible to be done.14:27
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apuimedowhich we'll make sure to have make_compatible for14:27
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apuimedoand we need to add support for hybrid plug14:27
apuimedobut we get rid of the privsep (which we definitely do not need)14:28
irenabapuimedo, is there a bug on kuryr side for the breakage?14:29
apuimedoirenab: no. I was not in the mood to file it14:29
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apuimedoI'll file it when the meeting ends14:29
apuimedoirenab: thanks for the reminder :-)14:29
irenabMay I suggest to add there the options to fix the issue (the 2 options you presented)?14:29
irenabI think I will need some time to dive into details to provide my opinion14:30
apuimedoirenab: very well, thanks!14:30
apuimedook, next14:30
apuimedodanil: what's the status on your sriov efforts?14:31
apuimedodid you see ltomasbo's multipools patch?14:31
danilI have some questions about SRIOV patches in kuryr-kubernetes project (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/kuryr-kubernetes+branch:master+topic:bp/kuryr-kubernetes-sriov-support-refactor).14:31
apuimedohttps://review.openstack.org/52834514:31
apuimedodanil: go ahead14:31
danilyes, I've seen  ltomasbo's multipools patch. It looks good to me.14:31
danilI fixed cni part in my patches, but the main problem is in design of MULTI-VIF support. As I understand, current design corresponds to merged design proposal (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513715/). I can't understand clearly, what I have to change in "multi-vif driver -> other drivers" interaction.14:32
apuimedowhat do you mean?14:33
irenabdanil, I think now it is very specific multi-vif driver, that handles sr-iov and requested subnets cases14:33
irenabIt is not extendable to other cases14:34
danilbut I thought it was described in design proposal14:34
danilso, I have to collaborate with ltomasbo's multipools patch?14:35
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apuimedodanil: irenab: for me it is fine if it is specific to sriov14:35
apuimedoltomasbo's is for making the default14:35
apuimedobinding14:36
apuimedobeing able to be set on a per node basis14:36
yboarondanil, are we going to support SR-IOV for both BM and nested  cases ?14:36
apuimedoIIUC14:36
irenabMaybe this is ok for now, just probably need to change the driver name to something more sr-iov specific14:36
apuimedodanil's approach helps in being able to add sriov devices to pods14:36
danilirenab, do you mean to change multivif driver name?14:37
apuimedoirenab: doesn't it allow pods with multiple vifs?14:37
irenabdanil, yes, since it is not real multi-vif in a generic sense14:37
apuimedoI think the name is fine then14:37
danilapuimedo, yes. And drivers interaction14:37
apuimedobut ltomasbo's driver should be per-node-vif-driver14:37
apuimedoor som,ething14:38
irenabapuimedo, there is an active discussion in k8s net sig on multi network support, so eventually it will make sense to align with the approach14:38
apuimedoirenab: no question about that14:38
apuimedothat's THE WAY!14:38
yboaronapuimedo, that's right ,  ltomasbo's idea is single VIF  driver per node14:39
apuimedobut allowing sriov on the meantime as extra vifs14:39
apuimedois nice14:39
irenabagreed14:40
irenabdanil, I will recheck the pathes and try to suggest better name. I am ok on direction till we converge with k8s net sig proposal14:41
apuimedogood14:41
apuimedoanything else danil?14:42
danilirenab, good, thanks14:42
danilno, thats all14:42
danilthanks14:42
irenabI do not have SR-IOV nics, so someone need to verify. apuimedo would you be able to do it?14:42
apuimedoirenab: I think so14:42
irenabthanks14:42
apuimedoyboaron: have you used sriov before?14:43
yboaronyes14:43
apuimedoyboaron: then I'll get you some BM to try it out :-)14:43
yboaronapuimedo,  I'm the happiest person in globe !!14:43
apuimedoyboaron: good!14:44
dulekyboaron: And it's on blue monday! Nice!14:44
apuimedo:-)14:44
apuimedodulek: os-vif made me blue friday instead14:45
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apuimedowhat else do we have for the meeting today?14:45
kaliyaapuimedo, all, hi (Fabrizio)14:45
kaliyaapuimedo: I'm doing some research in the scope of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+spec/nested-dpdk-support , do you know what's the status exactly?14:45
apuimedokaliya: nice to see you!!!14:46
apuimedokaliya: now that's a bp I didn't see in a long time!14:46
apuimedothe status is we'd like to see it worked on, but it hasn't had an implementer in forever14:46
kaliyalet's resurrect it!14:46
apuimedokaliya: intel abandoned it14:47
kaliyaI saw some fancy presentation by Intel, but seems it's not worked in practice14:47
kaliyaI see14:47
apuimedokaliya: with Intel together we presented the nested macvlan in the barcelona summit14:48
apuimedodid they do one on dpdk?14:48
dulekkaliya: Looks like it was being driven by Intel networking team. I can try to find you a contact to ask about it.14:48
apuimedoI know they worked on it14:48
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kaliyanow k8s is adding some resource management features allowing to theoretically enable dpdk (i.e. hugepages in beta)14:48
apuimedoafter that14:48
kaliyaya thanks dulek14:48
apuimedokaliya: that's right14:48
apuimedobut how will that play with nested14:48
kaliyaapuimedo: https://dpdksummit.com/Archive/pdf/2017Userspace/DPDK-Userspace2017-Day2-13-DPDKUserspace%20Summit20170927.pdf14:48
apuimedoas in pod on VM getting dpdk going14:49
apuimedoah, yes, kural was working on it too14:49
apuimedokaliya: do you have some demo or use case in mind?14:50
kaliyanot really, just collecting ideas for now:)14:50
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apuimedoright14:51
apuimedowell, if there is any other thing you have in mind14:51
apuimedolet us know ;-)14:51
kaliyaok I will ask help in channel for sure14:51
kaliyaI guess the research is for perf resons - for now14:52
kaliyathat's all I had to say for now, ty14:53
apuimedogood14:53
apuimedowelcome kaliya!14:53
dulekkaliya: You can ask sean-k-mooney about it, I think he's based in the same office, the person who proposed the BP.14:53
apuimedodoes anybody have anything else?14:54
kaliyathanks dulek14:54
apuimedo6 minutes remaining?14:54
yboaronkaliya, BTW fo performance , when SRIOV will be supported by kury-k8s , you can run DPDK in container's VNF14:54
kaliyaok yboaron14:55
apuimedo#topic general14:56
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apuimedo#info there will be a keynote on kuryr https://devconfcz2018.sched.com/event/DJZ2/openshift-openstack-integration-hugh-brock-and-friends14:57
apuimedoat devconf.cz14:57
apuimedoltomasbo: and myself will be part of the presenting team14:57
apuimedoalright14:59
apuimedoclosing14:59
apuimedoTHank you all for participating!14:59
apuimedo#endmeeting14:59
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oanson#startmeeting Dragonflow19:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 15 19:00:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oanson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Dragonflow)"19:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow'19:00
dimako/19:00
oansonAll right. Who's here for the weekly?19:00
oansondimak, looks like it's just us :)19:01
dimak*tumbleweed rolls*19:01
oansonAll right. Let's start.19:01
oanson#topic Roadmap19:02
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oansonI am removing LBaaS and L3 flavour from the Queens roadmap. We're not gonna make it if we want to tackle our bugs.19:02
oansonLBaaS can be pushed to R cycle. L3 flavour can be done if it is requested19:02
dimakWhen Queens cycle is tagged?19:02
oanson28th February, IIRC19:02
dimakThat makes sense then19:03
oansonUpgrades: irenab added some comments to the spec which I'll review tomorrow. I don't know if we'll make that either, but most (or all) of the upgrade scripts are already written, so we may be able to backport them if we miss.19:04
dimak+119:04
oansonDeployment: RPM packaging is still churning water. The RDO gate fails on RDO infra stuff, so there's no real progress. I'll restart tackling SuSE RPM this week.19:04
oansonOSA is giving us grief. My understanding from lihi is that the etcd3 direction is bust due to the use of etcd proxy, and its support for HTTP2 only.19:05
oansonI think she's trying a Redis role now, but she'll probably update next week.19:05
dimakLooking forward19:05
oansonsnapiri, started looking into the 'Brown Fielding'/'Migration'. He published a very early WIP.19:06
dimakThis one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532788/19:06
oansonYes.19:06
oansonLogin took me too long :)19:06
oanson#link Neutron import script https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532788/19:06
oansonI believe he said it was so early we shouldn't review it, but I am happy to note this item has progress :)19:07
dimakWill keep my eye on it19:07
oansonGates - Grenade gate will be done as part of upgrades. I believe I have a WIP somewhere. Now that zuul configuration is project-owned, should be easy to test19:07
oansonTempest - we still have the bug re security groups (bug 1740739 ).19:08
openstackbug 1740739 in DragonFlow "Security group mismatch for floating IP" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174073919:08
oansonI tried seeing what Neutron does, but couldn't make heads or tails of it and my environment kept crashing. Will try again, or asked someone for help.19:08
oansonTroubleshooting: OSProfiler patch is ready for merge. It's not product-grade, but as a first release, I think it would do nicely.19:09
dimakI'll review it19:09
oanson#link OSProfiler patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507851/19:09
oansonsnapiri is also looking at skydive and topology viewer. There's a lot of work there, so we'll have to see how we progress.19:10
oansonThat's all I have.19:10
oansondimak, anything you want to add?19:10
dimakNothing major19:10
dimakApp decoupling spec slipped in19:10
oansonGreat!19:11
dimakWe're now making sure our implementation is gate-friendly19:11
dimakWe have some issues with names though19:11
dimakA lot of reviewers are confused :P19:11
oansonI actually didn't go over the rebuttal *blush*19:12
oansonI'll do that tomorrow19:12
dimakCool19:12
oansonGreat. Anything else?19:12
dimakNope19:13
oansonI have nothing to add on bugs. So let's skip to open discussion19:13
oanson#topic Open Discussion19:13
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oansonActually, I don't have anything here either, but the protocol insists19:13
oansondimak, you have something you want to raise?19:13
dimakNope, I think we can wrap it up early19:13
oanson(An exception, maybe? xD)19:13
oansonCool. Let's do that!19:13
oansonThanks for coming!19:13
oanson#endmeeting19:14
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dimakGood evening, oanson19:14
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