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gnuoy\o10:00
iceyo/10:00
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gnuoy#startmeeting charms10:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 29 10:01:05 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gnuoy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.10:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.10:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'charms'10:01
gnuoyMorning charmers10:01
iceyMorning10:01
tinwoodhi10:01
gnuoy#topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting10:01
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gnuoyNone that I can find in the minutes10:01
gnuoyso lets move on10:01
gnuoy#topic State of Development for next Charm Release10:01
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gnuoyIt's be nice to have an approach to Cells v2 agreed, so if you have thoughts on the matter the spec could do with another reviewer https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533171/10:02
gnuoyoh, and the more eyes the better on the charms upgrade doc https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533597/ (thanks to everyone who has already fed back on that)10:02
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gnuoyother than those I think we are still working on general bits for 18.0210:03
gnuoyanyone anything else to add10:03
gnuoy?10:03
tinwoodNo from me10:03
iceyupdates to test Queens are coming along nicely10:03
gnuoytip top10:03
gnuoy#topic High Priority Bugs10:03
iceyand I believe that some bundle updates are in progress or landed10:03
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gnuoykk, thanks for the update10:04
gnuoy  High Priority Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-charms/+bugs 10:04
gnuoy  Use stable-backport tag for bugs  http://tinyurl.com/charm-stable-backports10:04
gnuoy  Critical bugs: https://tinyurl.com/osc-critical-bugs10:04
gnuoy  High priority bugs: https://tinyurl.com/osc-high-priority10:04
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gnuoyI think I can close that critical one assigned to me as fix committed10:05
gnuoyThe bug is mitigated as best we can10:05
iceyThere's a high bug that I'm thinking about closing as wontfix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-ceph/+bug/166259110:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1662591 in OpenStack ceph charm "Upgrade to Jewel impacts cluster by taking entire node offline" [High,Triaged]10:06
iceygiven that it's fix-released in all except charm-ceph10:06
iceyand charm-ceph is deprecated10:06
iceybut is currently targeted as 18.0210:06
gnuoyack, makes sense to me, charms-ceph has been deprecated for a while10:06
iceyand we do have an official, tested migration path10:07
gnuoyAnybody got any other bugs they would like to discuss?10:07
tinwoodyep10:07
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tinwoodI'm trying to undo a block on nova-lxd landing on zuul at the moment10:08
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tinwoodlooks like someone snuck a 'description' into stable/ocata in nova and upper requiremensts for pylxd is locked at 2.2.210:08
tinwoodbreakage.10:08
tinwoodHopefully be cleared today.10:08
iceylet me know if I can help tinwood10:09
iceyor just add a pair of eyes10:09
tinwoodicey, sure.10:09
gnuoythanks for the heads-up tinwood10:09
tinwoodicey, I've found the problem10:09
tinwood:)10:09
gnuoy#topic Openstack Events10:10
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gnuoyPTG February 26 - March 2nd, 201810:10
tinwood\o/10:10
iceywoot!10:10
gnuoyin Dublin and I'll be there along with tinwood and icey ?10:10
iceyindeed10:10
tinwoodindeed. I'll be there10:10
gnuoykk10:10
iceypetevg too it looks like10:10
gnuoyexcellent10:11
gnuoyThats the only event I know of10:11
tinwoodlikewise10:11
gnuoy#topic Open Discussion10:11
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tinwoodYup10:11
tinwoodI'm hoping to push out pylxd 2.2.5 which has some new stuff inc. snap lxd support.10:12
tinwoodthis week.10:12
gnuoyexcellent10:12
tinwoodicey did the snap work :)10:12
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tinwoodor support.10:12
iceyI'm hoping to have our new juju helpers included in charm-test-infra soon as well :)10:12
iceywhich will allow us to place common helpers there, for use across our charm tests, as well as in mojo specs10:13
gnuoykk10:13
gnuoyAnything else you would like to openly discuss?10:13
tinwoodnot from me.10:14
iceynope10:14
gnuoy#topic Next Chair10:14
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gnuoyI have tinwood down for 12th Feb at 10:00am UTC and me (gnuoy) for 5th Feb 17:00 UTC10:14
tinwoodI think I win!10:14
iceywoot!10:15
gnuoy#endmeeting10:15
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tinwoodthanks gnuoy!10:15
gnuoynp10:15
iceythanks gnuoy !10:15
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dulek#startmeeting Kuryr14:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 29 14:01:57 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dulek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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dulekHi everyone!14:02
leyalHi14:02
maysamacedosHi14:02
yboaron_Hi14:02
kaliyaHi14:03
dulekI've started the meeting as apuimedo attends a conference today. I think he's not the only one who's missing.14:03
dulekDoes anyone have anything to discuss regarding kuryr-lib or kuryr plugin?14:03
dulekOr can we go straight to kuryr-kubernetes?14:03
dulek#topic kuryr-kubernetes14:04
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dulekOkay! I can start by saying that I was swamped with some downstream work last week, so I don't have much to update on kuryr-kubernetes.14:05
dulekAnyone wants to share some progress or point a patch that needs reviews?14:05
yboaron_Yes14:06
yboaron_I've sent two patches deals with Ingress controller/Router implementation , please review14:06
dulekyboaron_: Microphone is yours. :)14:06
yboaron_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/536387/14:07
yboaron_#https://review.openstack.org/#/c/538577/14:07
dulek#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/538577/14:07
yboaron_that's it14:07
dulek+800 and +1300. Big ones!14:07
dulekI assume it's the Ingress one that has the common parts?14:08
yboaron_yes14:08
dulekyboaron_: Are you able to demonstrate new functionality in the gate? I mean - is it possible to create a Tempest test for Ingress?14:09
leyalyboaron, is that possible to separate between the "Readiness for new PaaS" and the "Common part of Ingress Controller" ?14:09
leyaljust for make more easy to review14:10
yboaron_dulek, I guess we can create new gate  for both ingress controller and openshift  route14:10
dulekyboaron_: It would require whole new gate?14:11
dulekyboaron_: Why?14:11
yboaron_leyal, it's possible , but I don't see for what purpose14:11
dulekyboaron_: I thought tests could work on the existing gates - either K8s or OpenShift.14:11
yboaron_dulek, TBH , Im not familiar with gates issues , I'll catch gcheresh  and see how/why/whuch gates we should create for that purpose14:12
leyalyboaron, small patches are more easy to review ..14:12
dulekyboaron_: Awesome. :) I think having it demonstrated in the gate would make core reviewers more confident with merging it.14:13
yboaron_leyal, agree , but ~650 lines of 1330 are tests :-)14:13
dulekleyal: On the other hand "common" changes would not be testable.14:13
yboaron_dulek, OK , I'll follow your recommendation14:14
dulekleyal: Personally I prefer to have code that's doing something instead of some dead codepaths merged initially.14:14
dulekBut that's just my point of view. :)14:14
yboaron_dulek, +114:14
leyalyboaron,dulek, yep agree , thats the trade-off14:15
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dulekOkay, anyone else?14:16
maysamacedosI also have one patch waiting for review that adds Kuryr Controller liveness, I would really appreciate if you could take a look14:16
maysamacedos#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/535548/14:16
yboaron_maysamacedos, I'll review ASAP14:16
dulekmaysamacedos: Yeaaah, I have it opened in a tab in the browser for like… a week? Sorry about that, I'll take a look.14:17
maysamacedosthanks yboaron_14:17
maysamacedosthanks dulek14:17
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dulek#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533292/14:17
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dulekSo who else have something to discuss?14:18
maysamacedosI also started taking a look on adding CNI health checks, and I saw that you, dulek, have worked on the daemon14:19
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dulekmaysamacedos: That's right, though I was just finishing unfinished patch. :)14:19
dulekmaysamacedos: What's your idea of healthchecks on kuryr-daemon?14:19
maysamacedoswhat do you think about starting the health manager as a separated process? just as the current server and watcher14:20
maysamacedos?14:20
dulekmaysamacedos: Ah, that's a sure thing!14:20
maysamacedosok, great14:20
dulekmaysamacedos: So unlike kuryr-controller being based on oslo.service, kuryr-daemon uses cotyledon.14:21
dulekBecasue oslo.service needs eventlet and eventlet breaks pyroute2.14:21
dulekIn that case you can just create another "Service" class and start and stop the healthcheck server there.14:22
dulekI just wonder what's worth checking in case of daemon.14:22
maysamacedosfor now I was just thinking about adding checks in respect of k8s api.. and check the watcher threads when k8s is restarted14:22
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leyaldulek, eventlet  also break ThreadPool -and it's causes some issues with k8s client14:23
dulekYeah, I was just writing that - daemon needs access to k8s API to work.14:23
celebdorsorry I'm late. I'm on PTO14:23
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maysamacedosyes, after some time I realized  that dulek14:23
dulekcelebdor: o/14:23
celebdorare we discussing getting rid of eventlet?14:23
dulekmaysamacedos: Awesome. Please ping me in case you'll need any help with understanding daemon code.14:23
maysamacedosok, thanks dulek14:24
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dulekcelebdor: Not really, I was just mentioning that kuryr-daemon uses cotyledone, because eventlet breaks pyroute2. :)14:24
celebdorah, right14:25
dulekcelebdor: We've briefly discussed yboaron_ implementation patches and then maysamacedos efforts to create healthchecks.14:25
celebdorcool14:25
celebdorhow about leyal's spec. Did you all review it?14:26
* dulek suspects that's a "no"…14:26
yboaron_I did (not the latest version) , LGTM14:27
yboaron_I'll take a look at the latest vesion14:27
yboaron_version14:27
celebdordulek: maysamacedos: did you review?14:28
dulekcelebdor: Nope, I'll go through it again today.14:28
leyalcelebdor, i found a small bug in the design , working on solution and i will update . maybe will set workflow -1 until than ..14:28
maysamacedosNo, not yet celebdor14:28
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celebdorvery well14:29
celebdormaysamacedos: I'll make a blueprint for the daemon liveness14:29
celebdordulek: You should take a look at that too14:29
celebdorI'll shoot you an email14:29
maysamacedosthanks celebdor14:29
dulekcelebdor: Okay!14:29
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celebdorirenab: did you see ttx's email about PTG schedule?14:30
yboaron_celebdor, I need your +2 power for : #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529966/14:30
maysamacedosleyal, could you send the link of the spec in review14:31
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dulekcelebdor: Anything changed regarding PTG? I cannot find the email.14:32
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dulekmaysamacedos: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51923914:32
* dulek has it all opened…14:32
maysamacedosthanks dulek14:32
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leyalmaysamacedos, sure https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519239/14:32
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celebdordulek: well, irenab was asking for the kuryr track to be from tuesday14:33
celebdorand ttx proposed to have tue-wed14:34
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celebdorand if we need more, to dynamically ask for some room on thu14:34
celebdorwhat do you all think?14:35
dulekWell, works for me. Thursday might also be useful to talk with other projects.14:35
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maysamacedosworks for me as well14:35
leyalcelebdor, is remote participation  will be enable ?14:36
dulekleyal: I think we can try to do that, though it might be a bit hard without mic and audio.14:38
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celebdorwill do as much as I can for remote14:40
leyaldulek, cool14:40
maysamacedosdulek: I just saw that you've linked the 'old' patch I had for Kuryr Controller liveness. The correct one is:14:41
maysamacedos#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/535548/14:41
maysamacedosI will abandon the other one, sorry14:41
dulek:)14:43
dulekOkay, so anything else to discuss?14:43
maysamacedosnot from me14:43
dulekcelebdor: I don't think irenab is online, so I guess you'll need to ask her about scheduling through email.14:43
dulekcelebdor: Anything else from you?14:44
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dulekOkay, I guess we can end the meeting then.14:47
dulekThanks for joining!14:48
dulek#endmeeting14:48
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oanson_#startmeeting Dragonflow19:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 29 19:00:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oanson_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'dragonflow'19:00
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oanson_All right. Who's here for the meeting?19:00
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leyalHi19:00
oanson_Hi19:01
oanson_I'm not alone! :)19:01
oanson_All right. Let's do this quick and painless19:01
oanson_#topic roadmap19:01
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leyalyep, this hour is problematic :/19:01
oanson_DNS spec was merged19:01
leyalwhohoo :)19:02
oanson_leyal, yes. Next week we'll vote if we bother to keep it. I don't see a point of doing this alone every two weeks19:02
oanson_Upgrades spec was merged. Started working on the gate19:02
leyalyep , make sense19:02
oanson_#link Upgrade gate https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496837/19:02
oanson_Would have worked better if zuul cooperated :)19:03
leyalcool . is it's plan to run on every commit ?19:03
oanson_Kuryr PoC is coming along. There's now the question of IPAM and distributed lock.19:03
oanson_#link distributed lock spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533711/19:03
oanson_leyal, I believe we agreed to have a pluggable mechanism, like db driver and pubsub driver?19:04
leyalyep , indeed all relevant  people  was in the offline talk19:04
oanson_Great!19:04
oanson_deployment - I don't have a status on OSA.19:04
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leyali will update the spec -19:05
oanson_RPM - jsonmodels is finally in RDO. now it's failing on a docs error in Pike. I'll cherry pick the relevant patch, re-pip, and try again19:05
oanson_leyal, great. Thanks!19:05
oanson_I don't have a status on sync with Neutron DB19:05
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oanson_Gates: started working on grenade gate (see above)19:05
leyalwhat is RDO ?19:05
oanson_The Red Hat Openstack deployment thing.19:06
leyalcool19:06
oanson_As far as I'm concerned, it's the 'where we keep RPMs that didn't make it to Centos/RHEL' :)19:06
oanson_Troubleshooting -19:06
oanson_I don't remember if this was mentioned last week, but OSProfiler support was merged19:07
oanson_Skydive work is moving ahead nicely.19:07
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oanson_#link Skydive patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/518670/19:07
leyalyep , i saw snapiri patch - looks cool19:07
oanson_Yes. He says there's still much to do, e.g. cleanup of deleted objects, and testing19:07
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oanson_Lastly, the Kuryr PoC is coming along nicely (I think this was mentioned). Hopefully we can get it done in March, and then backport it to Queens including IPAM, distributed lock, and all19:08
oanson_Hopefully. Not a must :)19:08
oanson_Anything else for roadmap?19:09
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oanson_#topic Bugs19:09
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oanson_I went over our bug list. I don't recall anything too serious that shouldn't be handle-able19:09
oanson_Except https://bugs.launchpad.net/dragonflow/+bug/174073919:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1740739 in DragonFlow "Security group mismatch for floating IP" [High,New]19:10
oanson_Which we have to see what we do about19:10
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oanson_Anything else for bugs?19:10
leyalnot from my side19:10
oanson_#topic Open Discussion19:10
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oanson_I want to take a second to discuss selective-proactive. We discussed it offline today19:11
oanson_The tenant/project based solution today seems... not to work19:11
oanson_With the recommendation of msimonin, I want to take a more fine-grained approach19:11
leyalwhat is the " tenant/project based solution" ?19:11
oanson_Each compute node registers to the objects that interest it19:11
oanson_Currently, selective-proactive assigns a 'topic' to each object. That topic is the tenant or project (depends on the OpenStack source) to which the object belongs)19:12
leyalThe idea is to save bandwith ?19:12
oanson_The issue we ran into with this is that for e.g. a shared network, we never get events, even if it is used19:12
oanson_leyal, yes19:12
oanson_So now we want each node to register to the IDs of the objects it needs. That will be our 'topic'.19:13
leyalwhy we don't get event on shared network?19:13
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oanson_Only issue is that it might take time to span the entire dependency tree. We may want to push that if we already know it in advance (and we should on the server side)19:13
oanson_leyal, shared network may belong to a different tenant, hence different 'topic'19:14
leyalit;s something like third party tenant?19:14
oanson_Additionally, we may need to map some of the backwards references. e.g. in DNS, the DNS object points to the lport, but selective-proactive wise, we want to receive that object if we have the lport.19:14
oanson_This is something we need to take into account - holding a 'backwards reference which works as forwards reference for selective proactive'19:15
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oanson_I hope to upload a spec explaining all this by next week's meeting19:15
oanson_Hopefully then it would be clearer19:15
oanson_That's all I have for open discussion19:16
oanson_leyal, do you have something?19:16
leyali don't sure that i understood but maybe we will take offline tommarow ..19:16
leyalyep, small question -19:16
oanson_Sure.19:16
oanson_Go ahead19:16
leyalthe commit that send event of all object tree  -19:17
oanson_This one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480196/ ?19:17
leyalwhy we need that ? is came from specific issue ?19:17
leyalyep19:18
oanson_leyal, it tries to solve the selective proactive item mentioned earlier19:18
leyalok , so let's talk about that tommarow :)19:19
oanson_e.g. a port needs a shared network. We'll never get that shared network via pub/sub, since we aren't registered to the topic.19:19
irenaboanson, is there any overview documentation of the selective proactive?19:19
oanson_Sire19:19
oanson_Sure*19:19
oanson_irenab, one sec. Looking19:19
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irenabI am more concerned about the requirements we should satisfy19:19
oanson_irenab, there is this: https://github.com/openstack/dragonflow/blob/69644670d269ffa1fa5c3a6b8734d9b825ac8d7e/doc/source/pluggable_db.rst#selective-proactive19:20
oanson_irenab, what do you mean?19:20
snapiri-Sorry, just got to the end of the meeting?19:20
irenaboanson, thanks. I would like to go over it, so maybe we can chat about the rest tomorrow19:20
oanson_snapiri-, yes, but we're still going :)19:20
oanson_irenab, sure19:21
oanson_Anything else for open discussion?19:21
oanson_snapiri-, looks like I lied. This is the end of the meeting :)19:21
irenabmaybe one thing19:21
oanson_Shoot!19:21
irenabwe have till Feb 8 to submit talks for OS summit19:22
oanson_Yes19:22
oanson_We have many interesting topics we can cover. SDN cabling, FEMDC/SD-WAN, application decoupling19:22
oanson_Sorry, 1 and 3 are the same thing :)19:22
oanson_Also new features and Project update.19:23
irenabthe topics this time are a bit more generic, so we can also have the CNI, containers integration19:23
oanson_Definitely19:23
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irenablets try to come up with proposals asap19:23
oanson_Sure. We can do that tomorrow as well19:24
irenab+119:24
snapiri-I have a minor update about skydive...19:24
leyal+119:24
oanson_snapiri-, go ahead19:24
snapiri-Today I discovered a bug I introduced to skydive. Fixed it. waiting for a new fixed version to be released19:25
snapiri-ITMW, there is a problem with the asyncio19:25
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snapiri-When I run the skydive on a main() it works19:25
oanson_And in the controller it doesn't?19:26
snapiri-but in the controller it is run from a thread and then the asyncio loop does not work19:26
snapiri-I am not sure what the solution should be, but if there is anyone who is familiar with asyncio I would appreciate help19:26
oanson_snapiri-, let's hack at it tomorrow. Debugging it by remote will be difficult19:27
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snapiri-of course. I was just saying I was looking for someone with asyncio experience :)19:27
oanson_Sure19:28
oanson_Anything else for open discussion?19:28
irenabnope19:29
snapiri-not here19:29
oanson_leyal, last chance?19:29
leyalnothing for me19:29
oanson_Great. Thanks everyone for comming!19:29
oanson_#endmeeting19:29
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