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ifat_afek#startmeeting vitrage08:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  7 08:00:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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ifat_afekHi :-)08:00
eyalb\o/08:00
annarezHi!08:00
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ifat_afekAgenda:08:02
ifat_afek•Status and updates08:02
ifat_afek•Open Discussion08:02
ifat_afek#topic Status and updates08:02
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ifat_afekQueens was released with the following Vitrage versions:08:02
ifat_afekvitrage 2.2.008:02
ifat_afekpython-vitrageclient 2.0.008:02
ifat_afekvitrage-dashboard 1.4.208:02
ifat_afekI finally managed to release vitrage-tempest-plugin version 1.0.0 (the tempest-plugins are independent of the releases).08:03
ifat_afekLast week we had the Rocky PTG discussions. The etherpad is here:08:03
ifat_afek#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-ptg-rocky08:03
ifat_afekMy updates: I started working on the merge-resource design. I’m still in the phase of thinking over the high level design.08:03
ifat_afekThat’s it for me. Any other updates?08:03
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eyalbvitrage-tempest-plugin was tagged 1.0.008:04
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eyalbI am checking a way to make sure queens vitrage will use vitrage-tempest-plugin 1.0.0 in gate08:04
eyalbat the moment I have a hack to fix it08:05
eyalbbut i am not sure it will work08:05
LiatHi08:05
eyalbthats it08:05
annarezeyalb what is it using now?08:05
eyalbthe master version08:05
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ifat_afekAnd the problem is that the master tempest no longer fits the Queens code, so the tempest fails for stable/queens08:07
ifat_afekAnyone else wants to update?08:07
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LiatIdan_kinori  started working on data source for k8s Najjar started with the prometheus08:09
ifat_afekThanks08:10
ifat_afekAny other updates?08:10
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peipeiHi, I'll update.08:11
peipeiI've been working on the blueprints: alarm-merge/proactive-rca/bidirectional-deduce.08:11
peipeiDetails of how to implement proactive-rca/bidirectional-deduce will be summited sooner.08:11
peipeiBut details about alarm-merge will be summitted after agreement on whether to merge monitored alarms and how to do it.08:12
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ifat_afekI’m now thinking about merge resource, and I’m trying to think also whether it is related to the merge alarm blueprint08:13
ifat_afekIf the use cases are similar, maybe we could find a solution that works for both cases08:13
ifat_afekBut I’m not sure about it yet08:13
ifat_afekI’ll try to come with something today or tomorrow, so we can progress08:14
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ifat_afekRegarding the proactive-rca and hte bidirectional-deduce, I think the concept is fine and only some details are missing08:14
ifat_afekSo it’s not a problem08:14
peipeiOk, maybe we can find  out a common solution.08:15
ifat_afekI’ll let you know once I have a high level design for the merge resource, so we can think if it’s the same08:16
ifat_afekAny other updates?08:16
ifat_afek#topic Open Discussion08:18
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ifat_afekI can mention StoryBoard migration again, but it’s getting boring… I hope to handle it by next week08:18
ifat_afekAny other issue you would like to discuss?08:18
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ifat_afekBye, see you next week08:20
peipeiBye08:20
annarezbye :)08:20
eyalbbye08:20
ifat_afek#endmeeting08:20
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Jeffrey4l#startmeeting kolla16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  7 16:00:02 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Jeffrey4l. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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Jeffrey4l#topic roll-call16:00
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hrwI will be partially as have other confcall at same time16:01
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Jeffrey4l#topic Announcements16:01
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caoyuanhi guys16:02
Jeffrey4lhave a nice trip at dublin gus16:02
Jeffrey4l1. we have release kolla queens rc1 and rc2 will be released next weekly.16:02
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Jeffrey4lso this is the last time to fix the bug and test upgrade.16:02
Jeffrey4lfeel free to call the kolla cores to review the emergency patches.16:03
Jeffrey4l2. along with the rc1 release, queens branch is created too. So the master branch is opened for pb.16:04
Jeffrey4lif you get a -2 for feature freeze reason, you can ask core to remove it.16:04
Jeffrey4lany other annoucements?16:04
pbourkeminor announcement, I'm currently in possession of a stack of kolla stickers from the PTG. I missed the chance to hand them out so will bring them to the next event :)16:05
duonghqo/16:05
Jeffrey4lcool thanks pbourke16:05
Jeffrey4lany others?16:06
rwellumIf we send you a SAE will you send them over pbourke :)16:06
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Jeffrey4llol16:06
pbourkeif anyone wants to paypal me postage I'll happily post them to you16:06
rwellum+116:07
Jeffrey4llet us move on, we have lots of things to do today ;D16:07
Jeffrey4l# topic kolla queens release requirements16:07
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Jeffrey4l#topic kolla queens release requirements16:07
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Jeffrey4lsince we don't have much time before release dead line16:08
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Jeffrey4land we have several critical issue to resolve.16:08
Jeffrey4lso i want to post them here.16:08
Jeffrey4lfirst is https://review.openstack.org/53020816:08
Jeffrey4lchason is working on it.16:08
Jeffrey4land it break queens branch image building.16:08
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Jeffrey4lvpnnas images does not exist and it work as a l3 extenstion.16:09
pbourkeis there no option to leave things as is for queens?16:09
pbourkeseems late for an architectural change like that16:10
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Jeffrey4lpbourke, no. either drop the vpnass support in queens for kolla. or backport the bp16:10
Jeffrey4lyeah, this is a general issue for kolla now.16:10
Jeffrey4lwhen the poroject marked some feature as deprected. narmally kolla doesn't aware this until this feature is remove.16:11
Jeffrey4lthis happen on keyston uuid token too.16:11
Jeffrey4lno good idea to resolve such kinda issue. :(16:11
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Jeffrey4lanyway, i think we haven't to backport this pb to queens branch like a FFE.16:12
Jeffrey4lany question for this? ^16:12
pbourkesounds ok to me16:13
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Jeffrey4lcool, thanks16:13
caoyuanit ok for me16:13
Jeffrey4lthere is also some other patches, like bump repo or openstack service version here16:14
Jeffrey4lhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/kolla+branch:stable/queens16:14
Jeffrey4lmostly it should be merged before release, so please keep eyes on it cores.  :D16:14
hrwreview https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550378/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550367/ to have centos/aarch64 repos fixed properly (in master) and then backport one to have ceph/luminous for aarch64/centos16:14
Jeffrey4lyes ^^ some are still on master16:15
Jeffrey4lok, that's all for queens release.16:15
Jeffrey4llet us move on.16:15
Jeffrey4l#topic snowpenstack recap / debrief16:16
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pbourkeone or two things on this then we can move onto the goals etc.16:16
Jeffrey4lfirst of all, thanks pbourke to hold the meeting at ptg, since i am absent.16:16
pbourkeId like to apologise on behalf of Ireland for the weather :)16:16
gemaLOL16:17
Jeffrey4lcould you take this pbourke ?16:17
pbourkesure16:17
pbourkeso we didn't get to discuss everything we wanted, or at least as well as we might have liked16:17
pbourkebut we did cover a good bit of ground given the circumstances16:17
spsurya__pbourke: i am unhappy ;)16:17
Jeffrey4l#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-rocky-ptg-planning16:17
pbourkeI'm writing up a summary report that I can send round on the mailing list16:17
pbourketo save people trying to parse the etherpads16:18
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pbourkethat said there is some good info in the pads so its worth looking at them as well16:18
duonghqthank Paul16:18
pbourkeI think the main thing we need now is to take what was discussed and distill it into a list of goals for rocky16:18
pbourkeas we wont be able to cover everything and some have more priority16:18
pbourkeJeffrey4l: does sound ok?16:19
pbourke*that sound16:19
spsurya__+1 pbourke16:19
Jeffrey4lyes16:19
rwellumthanks pbourke16:19
pbourkeI cant remember how we've done this in the past16:19
pbourkeetherpad or just let the PTL decide16:19
gemaI guess you put out the goals and see if there is someone willing to work on them?16:20
gematake volunteers?16:20
pbourketrue, no point in having goals if there's no one to take them up16:20
Jeffrey4liirc, we need review the current actions. and convert them to a bp.16:20
Jeffrey4lthen priority the bp and take volunteers16:20
pbourkehow about I'll send out the summary mail and Jeffrey4l can take it from there?16:21
Jeffrey4lpbourke, sure. i think we can do this in ML. after you sent the mail.16:21
pbourkesounds good16:22
Jeffrey4lyeah.16:22
pbourkethe other thing from the PTG that we didn't get to discuss before things were called off was kolla-k8s16:22
pbourkedid the call on friday go ahead?16:22
Jeffrey4lsince all the attendee have no idea for kolla-k8s, it is ended soon.16:23
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pbourkeok, good to know either way16:23
Jeffrey4lwe are agree re-scheduler another meeting to talk about it when k8s active contributor is in16:23
Jeffrey4lrwellum, around?16:23
rwellumYeah - apologies for my remoteness, some changes with my $$job etc.16:24
gemaJeffrey4l: you may want to sync up with kevin zhang from my team16:24
rwellumThe meeting on Friday was 3am for me I think16:24
Jeffrey4lrwellum, yes. the time is bad16:24
Jeffrey4lgema, i will , thanks.16:25
gemakevin zhao , sorry16:25
Jeffrey4lspsurya__ have add some info on the ptg planing etherpad.16:25
Jeffrey4lrwellum, could you talk about kolla-k8s ?16:25
spsurya__Jeffrey4l: also had discussion with OSH PTL and flapper87 of TripleO team16:26
spsurya__about Openstack on kubernetes16:26
Jeffrey4lspsurya__, any conclusion?16:26
spsurya__but would be better if we have discussion with few key contributors og kk8s16:27
rwellumSure but I don't have too much to add, I think the same questions we had pre-PTG are still the same. I have noticed that I no longer can run kolla-k8s, seem to be various image issues. I know ansible seeing some of the same.16:27
spsurya__Jeffrey4l: it is kind of biased16:27
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spsurya__from each project side16:27
spsurya__evry project is quite similar16:27
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Jeffrey4lspsurya__, yeah16:28
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spsurya__as per discussion with other project contributors16:28
spsurya__Jeffrey4l: some kk8s has more control over services but complex deployment16:29
spsurya__w.r.t to OSH16:29
Jeffrey4lspsurya__, and i will check the current status of different openstack over k8s project.16:29
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Jeffrey4lif you are intereting this, welcome join us.16:30
spsurya__Jeffrey4l: i already added few in eatherpad16:30
spsurya__rocky PTG16:30
Jeffrey4lyeah, i saw them. But i will try to run the project and compare it ;D16:30
spsurya__Jeffrey4l: +116:31
spsurya__I will also like to run the project16:31
rwellumI think one question is, do you want a kolla-k8s project that is uniquely tied to kolla?16:31
Jeffrey4lrwellum, are you saying the image?16:31
rwellumIf the answer is yes then as a team we should commit to it.16:31
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rwellumNo I mean currently it's: kolla->kolla-k8s and kolla->ansible. They are both sub-projects of kolla. If we decide that osh is the way forward then we would break that relationship.16:32
Jeffrey4lyes. we hope kolla-k8s to be success as kolla-ansible.16:33
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duonghqbut we are lacking of contributor?16:34
spsurya__+1 Jeffrey4l & rwellum16:34
duonghqaren't we?16:34
pbourkeduonghq: yes16:34
Jeffrey4lrwellum, any suggestion how? the issue is which way (or deploy philosophy) is correct and we will follow.16:34
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pbourkea problem I see is there is currently confusion from new comers to kolla as to the differences between kolla-k8s and openstack-helm16:35
spsurya__we shouldn't compare with OSH if we want to make kk8s successful as kolla-ansible16:35
pbourkealso when people ask for help around kolla-k8s they rarely get a reply16:35
pbourkeso overall its making kolla look bad16:35
Jeffrey4lpbourke, yes.16:35
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gemaJeffrey4l, pbourke: maybe we should refocus kolla-k8s16:35
spsurya__pbourke: agree16:35
rwellumI agree. I think kfox and sbezverk have dropped out a lot and no-one is answering16:36
pbourkethere are also people wasting time investigating kolla-k8s without the knowledge it may not be around much longer16:36
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gemastate clear goals, how long there is to go16:36
caoyuanagree16:36
gemaand whether it makes sense to continue16:36
gemaand ask for volunteers16:36
rwellumWe had fairly clear goals for Rocky16:36
gemaif there is nobody16:36
gkadamduonghq, pbourke  hi, I would like to contribute here. this is my second kolla meeting. I missed last week, was down with viral fever and cough. but for many again a questions arises is , how a newbie can start?16:36
inc0hello everyone (I'm alive!) one thing I was considering, instead of killing16:36
inc0project16:36
inc0was to just separate it16:36
pbourkeinc0: +116:36
caoyuanwhen contributor commit a ps, seems no body review it..16:36
gemarwellum: we didn't get to discuss them because of snow16:36
inc0and let it live it's own life16:36
Jeffrey4lgkadam, welcome16:37
pbourkeif poeple want to work on it of course that's fine. but currently it doesn't seem in a good position to be under the kolla namespace16:37
gkadamJeffrey4l, :)16:37
inc0separation would mean separate core team (already exists), separate governance (team meetings etc) and separate PTL16:37
ktibihum kolla-k8s success as kolla-ansible ? and people like me with a production platform on kolla-ansible ? I need to redeploy ? what is the plan ?16:37
pbourkektibi: you don't have to do anything if you dont  want to :)16:37
gemaktibi: TBD16:37
Jeffrey4lktibi, that is far from current goal i think.16:38
inc0ktibi: as far as I know kolla-ansible is not going anywhere in forseeable future16:38
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Jeffrey4linc0, +1 for separate16:38
inc0both can and will live in pararell16:38
ktibiwhat is for you "far" ? because I work for 1-2 year :/16:38
inc0parallel, hate this word16:38
gkadaminc0, stranger things had parallel worlds too :D16:39
inc0ktibi: since I'm no longer PTL I don't want to make any statements, but kolla-ansible was always meant to be stable and prod16:39
spsurya__+1 inc0 for governance thing for kk8s16:39
Jeffrey4li understand you in wrong. kolla-ansible will not retire16:39
inc0that means it's going to be maintained and I don't think anyone ever considered just blank move to k8s16:39
rwellumGuys I have to leave unfortunately - but will check the thread when I am back. I am available to discuss k8s more this afternoon.16:39
Jeffrey4linc0, i will start to do the seperate thing recently, but may need you help :D16:39
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inc0Jeffrey4l: I'm here if you need me16:40
pbourkerwellum: thanks for checking in16:40
Jeffrey4lrwellum, thanks16:40
inc0so ktibi don't worry, we won't leave you and other opearators;)16:40
ktibiinc0 ok thx ;)16:41
Jeffrey4lso what we need now is:  1. seperate   2. clear goals  and 3. volunteers16:41
spsurya__rwellum: thanks for coming and update16:41
duonghqI like inc0 idea16:41
gemawill be a hard sell for me if it is outside kolla16:42
gemawe may not be able to contribute anymore16:42
inc0it wouldn't be bad to consider kolla-ansible to be separate as well, both projects have enough scope for one PTL16:42
duonghqover and over, I got question about kolla-k8s vs ovh as much as kolla-ansible vs tripleo (especially when tripleo undercloud is moving to containerized fully)16:42
Jeffrey4lgema, it is not outstid of kolla. just another team. you can also join it .16:42
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Jeffrey4lthe deep reason is: kolla-ansible and kolla-k8s are totally different on tech arch.16:43
inc0I had a lot of kolla-ansible vs openstack-ansible16:43
gemaJeffrey4l: we work for a committee, it's easier to be part of an established team than to go and join a new one16:43
inc0confusion will always be there16:43
gemainc0: +116:43
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inc0gema: thing is, if one person can focus just on kolla-k8s16:43
inc0(as in separate PTL)16:43
inc0and separate governance16:44
inc0this one person can be more focused on re-invigorating community16:44
gemainc0: true, I understand that16:44
Jeffrey4linc0, +116:44
duonghqit'll be hard time for kolla-k8s when people come to questioning about this on its feet vs ovh, etc,16:45
inc0it's already separate team effectively16:45
Jeffrey4lduonghq, ovh? osh?16:45
duonghqJeffrey4l, osh, sorry for my typo16:45
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Jeffrey4lso, the next action for kolla-k8s will be:  1. seperate   2. clear goals  and 3. volunteers16:46
Jeffrey4li will report the progress in next meeting.16:46
spsurya__+1 inc0 Jeffrey4l16:46
Jeffrey4llet move on.16:47
duonghqJeffrey4l, inc0 do you think we can (should) bring our goal from last cycle(s) to the-new-kolla-k8s?16:47
Jeffrey4lhrm? that's that mean?16:47
spsurya__duonghq: yes16:47
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inc0there is quite clear list of goals for k8s16:47
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Jeffrey4lah, duonghq sure.16:48
spsurya__https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-kubernetes-todo16:48
spsurya__https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-queens-ptg-k8s-release-roadmap16:48
spsurya__duonghq:16:48
inc0separation will be quite interesting, as I don't think anyone ever done that16:48
duonghqspsurya__, thanks16:48
inc0we should discuss it with TC how to do it best16:49
pbourkeinc0: nova? ;)16:49
inc0ok. yes it has been done;)16:49
duonghqspsurya__, I think we can move it to the-new project16:49
duonghqhmm, project separation doesn't too rare in OpenStack world?16:49
spsurya__duonghq: yes inc0 idea is good16:49
Jeffrey4lok, time to move on.16:50
Jeffrey4l#topic Security bug in gates16:51
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Jeffrey4l#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+bug/174932616:51
openstackLaunchpad bug 1749326 in kolla-ansible "Exploitable services exposed on community test nodes" [Critical,Confirmed]16:51
Jeffrey4lpbourke, do you have any update for this?16:51
pbourkeJeffrey4l: unfortunately not, it totally slipped my mind last week16:51
pbourkethat's why I added it to the agenda16:51
pbourkelooks like you have a patch?16:52
Jeffrey4li think the only possible solution is add iptables rules and only allow konwn vm to access16:52
Jeffrey4lyes.16:52
Jeffrey4l#link https://review.openstack.org/55032516:52
Jeffrey4lrecently there a is memcached ddos attack,16:52
Jeffrey4lyou can get more from http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2018/03/02/116:52
ktibiho T_T16:53
ktibihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+bug/1753425 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549715/16:53
Jeffrey4li just disabled the udp protocol support in memcached. since we don't use it.16:53
openstackktibi: Error: malone bug 1753425 not found16:53
pbourkeso does this fix the problem or just partially?16:53
inc0it doens't really fix problem16:53
Jeffrey4lpartically. or not, it not solve the problem.16:53
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inc0it lowers potential of exploitation16:53
Jeffrey4lmemcached port is still open for whole intenet world16:54
Jeffrey4lthe only way i think is: " add iptables rules and only allow konwn vm to access "16:54
pbourkethat or do we need it in the gates?16:54
Jeffrey4lso need implement this in or ci jobs.16:55
pbourkewhat services currently need memcache16:55
Jeffrey4lnova-consoleauth16:55
pbourkehmm ok so we need it16:55
ktibiI apply my patch for udp and all works for me. UDP is not need to be enable.16:56
Jeffrey4lthere are also palce use memcached as cache tier. it is helpful for performance.16:56
Jeffrey4lso we shouldn't remove it.16:56
Jeffrey4lktibi, your patch? which patch?16:56
ktibiJeffrey4l, I make a bug security and a review for this issue since 2 day16:57
ktibiI think you miss it and recreate a review with same change16:57
pbourkei'll look at Jeremy's iptables rules16:57
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Jeffrey4lcool. i am think there should be the same solution in devstack gate.16:57
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Jeffrey4lbut i am not sure where the code is.16:58
pbourkelooks like he linked it in the bug16:58
ktibiI used the solution of redhat https://access.redhat.com/solutions/336908116:58
Jeffrey4lok. i will check it later.16:58
Jeffrey4ltime is up.16:58
Jeffrey4lktibi, thanks16:59
Jeffrey4lthanks for coming.16:59
Jeffrey4lhave a good day16:59
Jeffrey4l#endmeeting16:59
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caoyuan:)16:59
gkadamthx all! :) good day!17:00
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