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ifat_afek#startmeeting vitrage08:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 14 08:00:15 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
ifat_afekHi :-)08:00
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eyalb\o/08:00
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ifat_afekAgenda:08:02
ifat_afek•Status and updates08:03
ifat_afek* Vancouver Forum Brainstorming08:03
ifat_afek* StoryBoard Migration08:03
ifat_afek* Open Discussion08:03
ifat_afek#topic Status and updates08:03
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ifat_afekI’m working on the resource equivalence design, which of course relates to the alarm merge design.08:03
ifat_afek#link https://review.openstack.org/55053408:03
ifat_afek#link https://review.openstack.org/54793108:03
ifat_afekThe design is quite complicated… idan_hefetz and I just realized there is a problem with any design that I suggested (merge the vertex, keep all properties)08:05
ifat_afekThe problem is - what happens if the user wants to *change* the equivalence definitions? how can we un-merge the vertex?08:05
ifat_afekAnd on the other direction - what if there are two alarms, Nagios and Zabbix, and the user looks and decides that they should be merged. How can we merge two already existing vertices?08:06
ifat_afekidan_hefetz has a new idea for the design, but basically we thought that it might be easier to talk or have a webex08:06
ifat_afekpeipei: what do you think?08:06
peipeiAs for merging two already existing vertices, we have not considered it yet.08:08
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ifat_afekIt is a use case that we must support. We didn’t think about it either. But it is a very reasonable requirement08:09
ifat_afekThe requirement is to let the end user change his mind about the equivalence. merge or not merge - that’s the implementation details08:09
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ifat_afekThe design that supports un-merge is to keep different vertices and add ‘equivalent’ edges between them. For un-merge, we will simply remove the edge. But this desing has an overhead of making the evaluator consider many more sub-graphs08:11
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yujunzIn my opinion, the restrictions mainly come from the fact that we rely on the same entity graph for both for user view and internal evaluation.08:12
yujunzUser requires a simple view and internally we want detailed relationship.08:13
ifat_afekI think that the entity graph should be used for internal evaluation. The API can return a merged/aggregated graph if needed08:13
ifat_afekI agree08:13
ifat_afekSo how do you suggest we proceed?08:14
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ifat_afekWe currently have two optional designs, neigher of them answers all use cases. And I hope we can unite them to one design.08:15
peipeiI think we can find a way to talk or a webex like you suggest.08:15
ifat_afekOk. Sounds good08:16
ifat_afekDo you have a preferred time?08:16
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yujunzI have regular meeting on Monday. Other time slot are all OK.08:17
peipeiThe time period like weekly meeting on a work day works, I think.08:17
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ifat_afekyujunz: Are you busy the entire Monday?08:18
yujunzOne hour meeting on UTC0730-083008:18
ifat_afekSo are there hours that you are available? or maybe it’s evening for you?08:19
ifat_afek(I’m getting confused by the time differences)08:19
yujunzEvening is not so convenient. But I can attend if have to.08:20
ifat_afekNo need, just please let me know when it is convinient08:20
yujunzEvery workday before UTD093008:21
yujunzUTC08:21
peipeisame for me08:21
ifat_afekyujunz: So Monday at 8:30 UTC will work for you?08:22
ifat_afekWe are not sure if we can be prepared by tomorrow, and Tuesday is less convinient for us08:23
ifat_afekIf not, then maybe we can use the next IRC meeting for this discussion only08:24
ifat_afekAnd have it on webex08:24
yujunzMonday is good for me.08:24
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yujunzAnd if it does not finish in one hour, we can continue on weekly meeting slot on webex08:25
ifat_afekOk, so it’s scheduled for Monday08:25
idan_hefetzCool :)08:25
ifat_afekSounds good. And if it doesn’t finish in one hour, it might be a good idea to take the time and think about the new ideas offline anyway08:25
ifat_afekDo you want to have a webex, or use your zoom?08:25
yujunzBoth are OK for me.08:26
ifat_afekWe feel that the sound in zoom is better08:27
ifat_afekBut we can also schedule a webex if you prefer08:27
yujunzOK, then I will host it on zoom next Monday08:27
ifat_afekGreat08:27
eyalb+208:27
ifat_afekLet’s move on08:27
ifat_afekOne more update from me: I’m involved in the self-healing SIG. Now trying to document the Vitrage-Mistral integration08:27
ifat_afekThat’s it. Anyone else wants to update?08:28
idan_hefetzyup08:29
idan_hefetzI have this commit for rpc collector:08:29
idan_hefetzhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/550455/08:29
idan_hefetzIt fails miserably :( as in the gate oslo.service timers dont run, and I still fail to understand the cause.08:29
idan_hefetzAnother issue that keeps comming up in this commit is a MessagingTimeout exception during vitrage init.08:30
idan_hefetzI hope to solve this soon so if anyone here has any suggestions... so i can move on to the next step of high availability - graph init from database.08:31
idan_hefetzThat's me..08:32
ifat_afekThanks. Anyone else wants to update?08:32
ifat_afek#topic Vancouver Forum Brainstorming08:34
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ifat_afekWe have an option to submit a proposal for a forum discussion in Vancouver08:34
ifat_afek\This is similar, I think, to a design session, but is more focused on users, high level and community wide issues. More details can be found here:08:34
ifat_afek#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/127944.htmlx08:34
ifat_afek#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Vancouver201808:34
ifat_afek#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum08:34
ifat_afekIf you have ideas for a forum discussion, please add them to the following etherpad:08:34
ifat_afek#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-vitrage-brainstorming08:34
ifat_afek#topic StoryBoard Migration08:36
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ifat_afekI checked the StoryBoard a bit. In general, StoryBoard is planned to replace Launchpad. In practice, most projects are not there yet.08:37
ifat_afekI got a personal email asking to migrate Vitrage to StoryBoard. I believe that this is an automatic process that requires from us a minimal effort.08:37
ifat_afekSo what is StoryBoard? It is developed as an OpenStack project, and looks like modern story tracking projects. For example, you can look at the self-healing board:08:37
ifat_afek#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/5708:37
ifat_afek#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200143008:37
ifat_afekThe advantages that I see are that the status and the progress is more clear.08:37
ifat_afekThe disadvantages are, IMO – first that there is currently no way to mark a story/task as related to a certain release. And second, that bugs are handled as regular stories. This was done on purpose, to help in cases where it is not clear if something is a bug or a feature; but personally I find it confusing.08:37
ifat_afekIf you have any comments, objections, whatever, let me know before I progress with the migration.08:38
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ifat_afek#topic Open Discussion08:39
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ifat_afekAny other issue you want to discuss?08:39
ifat_afekBye then, see you on Monday08:41
yujunzbye08:41
annarezbye see you :)08:41
ifat_afek#endmeeting08:41
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Jeffrey4l#startmeeting kolla16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 14 16:00:09 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Jeffrey4l. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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Jeffrey4l#topic rollcall16:00
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duonghqo/16:00
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Jeffrey4lhrm..16:01
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sadasuo/16:01
Jeffrey4lok. let us starting the meeting16:02
caoyuanhi guys16:02
caoyuan:)16:02
Jeffrey4l#topic Announcements16:02
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gkadamhi all16:03
* hrw here for logs. have to go out16:03
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Jeffrey4l1. core nomination, i nominate caoyuan as core reviewer, feel free to +1 or -1 in the ML16:03
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Jeffrey4l2. queens rc2 tag will be created in this week.16:04
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Jeffrey4lThere are still fewer patch need be merged. will talk this later.16:04
Jeffrey4l3. community have changed the release mode, especially for trailing-cycle project16:05
Jeffrey4l(kolla is a trailing cycle project)16:05
Jeffrey4lmore info can be found here16:05
Jeffrey4l#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128215.html16:05
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Jeffrey4las a result, tailing-cycle project can be release in 3 month after the coordinate release.16:06
Jeffrey4land othere projects ( like nova, neutron etc) can not merge feature after m216:06
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Jeffrey4lthis is a good for trailing cycle project16:07
Jeffrey4lit will make us more time to test before release.16:07
Jeffrey4lthat's all from me,16:07
Jeffrey4lany other community announcement?16:07
Jeffrey4lguess no16:08
Jeffrey4llet us move on16:08
Jeffrey4l#topic kolla queens release rc2 requirements16:08
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Jeffrey4lthis week is the deadline for rc2 tag.16:08
Jeffrey4land rc2 will be the final release.16:09
Jeffrey4lThere is still few patch need be merged for queens branch16:09
Jeffrey4lhere is i concern16:09
Jeffrey4lUpdate ceph client.admin caps during upgrade16:09
Jeffrey4l#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/547012/16:10
Jeffrey4lMigrate neutron-vpnaas-agent to neutron-l3-agent16:10
Jeffrey4l#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/530208/16:10
Jeffrey4lis there any other patch should be merged for queens branch?16:11
ktibihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/550685/16:11
Jeffrey4lSecurity memcached: disable UDP ^^ yes. security releate16:11
Jeffrey4lcool seems everythin else is OK for queens16:13
Jeffrey4lnext16:13
Jeffrey4l#topic ptg summary recap16:13
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Jeffrey4l#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128044.html16:14
Jeffrey4lthanks pbourke's summry16:14
Jeffrey4lthat is all we will do in the next cycle for kolla & kolla-ansible project16:15
Jeffrey4lif you are interested one of them, feel free to take it16:15
chasonvery nice summry pbourke16:15
gkadampbourke++16:16
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chasonpbourke thanks :D16:16
Jeffrey4lif there is anything unclear, please add it into the meeting agenda. and we can talk :D16:16
caoyuan:)16:17
Jeffrey4lok next16:17
Jeffrey4l#topic kolla-kubernetes project split16:18
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Jeffrey4lthis is talked on the last meeting.16:18
Jeffrey4lall of us are agree to split the kolla-kubernetes into tc govermence.16:18
Jeffrey4li tried to talk with tc team.16:19
Jeffrey4lthe anwser from tc is yes.16:19
Jeffrey4land i also pushed a split team pathc here16:19
Jeffrey4l#link https://review.openstack.org/55253116:19
Jeffrey4lthere are still few question in the patch and i will try to resovle.16:20
Jeffrey4lmoreover, feel free to add comment on it.16:20
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Jeffrey4lon the other hand, once kolla-kubernetes is split, any one on the kolla team core can be join the kolla-kubernetes core team.16:21
Jeffrey4lthen we can re-create the kolla-kuberentes team soon and try to archive the 1.0 goas ASAP16:22
Jeffrey4lif you are intrested kolla-k8s, please contact me ;D16:22
inc0Jeffrey4l: I answered ttx question16:23
Jeffrey4lany question?16:23
Jeffrey4lthanks inc016:23
gkadamJeffrey4l, interested16:23
Jeffrey4lgkadam, yeah, this should be good for all kolla projects.16:24
Jeffrey4llet us move on16:25
Jeffrey4l#topic tarballs.o.o image16:25
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Jeffrey4lbefore kolla push a docker registry tar file to tarballs.o.o site16:26
Jeffrey4lwhich is useful for CI jobs. and many end-user use the it too.16:26
Jeffrey4lbut recently , with zuul v3's support, kolla push image to hub.docker.com site directly.16:26
Jeffrey4lso tarballs.o.o sites images are useless and out of update.16:27
Jeffrey4ltoday, i ask for infra team to remove all the tar files in tarballs.o.o16:27
Jeffrey4land left a readme.md file there16:27
Jeffrey4l#link http://tarballs.openstack.org/kolla/images/16:27
chasonJeffrey4l  Is there a way that users can pull all images them needed from hub.docker.com?16:27
Jeffrey4lchason, there is no one shot command.16:28
Jeffrey4leither use kolla-ansible pull or write your own  scripts.16:28
chasonJeffrey4l Maybe we can implement it. :)16:28
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chasonI prefer tarballs16:29
chasonbecause of I can get all images in one step.16:29
Jeffrey4lyes. a script in kolla project, which can generate all hub.docker.com image name.16:29
Jeffrey4lfeel free to implmeent it ;D16:30
chasonJeffrey4l Haha, OK16:30
Jeffrey4lit is very useful for the guys who can not access internet easily, especially for China guys :D16:30
chasonJeffrey4l Exactly16:31
ktibior guys in a parano company !16:31
sadasunewbie question. will the plugins-archive methodology work if tarballs.o.o are removed?16:31
Jeffrey4lhrm, what's the story ktibi :D'16:31
chasonSounds like there are many sufferers. :P16:32
Jeffrey4lsadasu, we just remove the docker registry image. and move it to hub.docker.com16:32
pbourkeo/16:32
Jeffrey4lnothing is lost in fact sadasu16:32
Jeffrey4lsup pbourke16:32
pbourkesorry im late, will catch up on scroll back and have one thing to bring up if there's time16:33
Jeffrey4lso i don't think it break anyting16:33
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Jeffrey4lcool16:33
ktibiJeffrey4l, I work on infra with military restriction, so I've never seen internet :D16:33
Jeffrey4lactually, we are run out of agenda now16:33
sadasuJeffrey41: thanks for confirming that16:33
ktibiI use an usb key for download my kolla images :D16:34
gkadamktibi, :D16:34
Jeffrey4lktibi, got. so the tool is more useful then i tought16:34
Jeffrey4li heard someone burn the kolla images into a DVD. become usb device is not allowd ;/16:34
Jeffrey4lok. let us move on16:35
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Jeffrey4l#topic Open Discussion16:35
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Jeffrey4lany volunteer?16:36
pbourkeI wanted to just bring some attention to this spec16:36
duonghqbtw, I think we should have a tool to let user download all Kolla images with a specific tag form dockerhub?16:36
pbourkehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/550958/16:36
Jeffrey4lduonghq, i think it is what chason and ktibi said. right?16:36
pbourkewould appreciate if people could have a read of it and the poc for keystone that is linked from it16:36
Jeffrey4li like your idea pbourke16:37
Jeffrey4li am agree that image shouldn't take any thing related to deployement16:37
Jeffrey4li will review it later.16:38
Jeffrey4lthanks16:38
pbourkethanks Jeffrey4l16:38
pbourkeit should be fairly low impact overall16:38
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pbourkethat's all I have for today :)16:38
duonghqadded to my review list, I will take it tomorrow16:38
duonghqthank Paul16:38
mgoddard_I have some slides from a presentation I gave recently on kayobe: https://www.slideshare.net/MarkGoddard2/to-kayobe-or-not-to-kayobe16:39
Jeffrey4lmgoddard_, great16:39
gkadammgoddard_, nice one!16:40
mgoddard_#link https://www.slideshare.net/MarkGoddard2/to-kayobe-or-not-to-kayobe16:40
mgoddard_I've also been working on a job for testing bifrost deployment16:40
mgoddard_https://review.openstack.org/54977516:41
mgoddard_It's now passing16:41
Jeffrey4lmgoddard_, is there demonstration video?16:41
mgoddard_Jeffrey4l: sadly not - no recording. It was a short demo16:41
ktibimgoddard_, great slides :D16:42
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Jeffrey4lmgoddard_, thanks16:42
Jeffrey4lwill kayobe join the openstack community/16:43
mgoddard_Jeffrey4l: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/kayobe :)16:43
Jeffrey4laha, it is already there.16:44
mgoddard_We're becoming an OpenStack-related project, just working on a deployment CI job16:44
Jeffrey4lcool16:44
mgoddard_https://review.openstack.org/55198616:44
mgoddard_so kolla-ansible will see some additional CI testing16:44
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Jeffrey4lgreat16:46
Jeffrey4lthanks mgoddard_16:46
Jeffrey4lany othe discussion?16:46
duonghqo/16:46
duonghq#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552445/16:46
duonghqthis ps is the last ps of the blueprint16:46
duonghqso afterthat, which work I should do before close the bp? (one patch for updated documentation?)16:47
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Jeffrey4li will check it after the meeting. nice jobs16:47
duonghqthank Jeffrey4l16:47
Jeffrey4lduonghq, add a release note?16:47
chasonduonghq one patch for updated documentation is a good idea!16:48
Jeffrey4lduonghq, doc should be added16:48
duonghqJeffrey4l,  the reno is added one patch before16:48
Jeffrey4lcool16:48
duonghqthe patch is for projects added in Q16:48
duonghqhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/398685/22/releasenotes/notes/specify-task-become-84f83707f612bcf3.yaml16:49
duonghqthis file16:49
Jeffrey4lshould we add a nother reno to indicate that become support all tasks now?16:49
duonghqso which category should the note should fall on?16:50
Jeffrey4lhow about features?16:50
duonghqI don't have idea about this16:50
duonghqthe current feature is "Increase security by add "become" to only n....."16:51
duonghqI think it's already cover the patch16:51
Jeffrey4lwait. "the patch is for projects added in Q", not Q, it is Rocky16:51
Jeffrey4l^^ based on this, another reno is not required.16:51
ktibiI have a point, but just to have your opinion16:52
Jeffrey4lplase ktibi16:52
duonghqJeffrey4l,  the patch will be merged in R, but for services added in Q, sorry for the confusion16:52
duonghqplease ktibi16:52
ktibias I said above, I have strong security constraints. So I try to work on security in kolla and for now, I have work I guess16:52
Jeffrey4li see, thanks16:52
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ktibilike SSL on rabbitMQ or SSL on internal network16:53
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Jeffrey4lktibi, that is awesome. we can ask help from security team if it is neccessary.16:53
ktibifor now, kolla can't olve these problems16:53
duonghqktibi, awesome, could you draft bp for those16:53
duonghqeven a spec16:53
duonghqand we will work on this16:54
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Jeffrey4lduonghq, +116:54
ktibiyes, I'll make a blueprint. but what do you think about that ? because some people say internal network must be without SSL (perf issue) ?16:54
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duonghqktibi, Kolla should address as much as requirements from user as possible (especially security issues)16:55
Jeffrey4li think this is a choice left for operator.16:55
ktibiduonghq, yes because I think a lot of company can't consider kolla for security reason :/16:56
Jeffrey4lwhich one is important? perf or security. i think different environement may have different reasult.16:56
duonghqJeffrey4l, +1, and we should provide options for both cases16:56
Jeffrey4lbtw, in kubernetes ssl is necessary for all compomenet.16:57
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duonghqJeffrey4l, [OT], should we re-prioritize our bps in next meeting for this cycle?16:58
Jeffrey4lduonghq, sure. before that, we have to created the bp based on pbourke's summary16:58
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duonghqJeffrey4l, sure16:59
Jeffrey4lwe run out of time.16:59
Jeffrey4lthanks for coming.16:59
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Jeffrey4llet us end the meeting.16:59
caoyuannp16:59
gkadamJeffrey4l, thanks!16:59
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Jeffrey4lhave a nice day :D16:59
caoyuanthanks16:59
Jeffrey4l#endmeeting16:59
duonghqhave a good night17:00
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