Wednesday, 2018-04-18

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Jeffrey4l#startmeeting kolla16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr 18 16:00:13 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Jeffrey4l. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)"16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kolla'16:00
Jeffrey4l#topic rollcall16:00
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spsurya\016:00
caoyuan\o16:00
mgoddardo/16:00
bmaceo/16:00
sgoel_o/16:00
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chasono/16:01
yankcrime\o16:01
Jeffrey4l#topic Announcements16:02
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pbourkeo/16:02
Jeffrey4lafter some discuss, we still think kolla-k8s should be retired.16:03
Jeffrey4li started a vote on ML, feel free to reply it.16:03
Jeffrey4l#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129452.html16:03
rwellumo/16:03
Jeffrey4lany others from community?16:03
Jeffrey4lok move on16:04
Jeffrey4l#topic ceph pg limits in luminous (pbourke)16:04
*** openstack changes topic to "ceph pg limits in luminous (pbourke) (Meeting topic: kolla)"16:04
Jeffrey4lpbourke, yours floor16:05
pbourkethanks, one moment just trying to find the bug16:05
duonghqo/16:05
duonghqsorry for late16:05
Jeffrey4l#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/176335616:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1763356 in kolla-ansible "ceph deployment fails with not enough pages" [Critical,Confirmed]16:06
Jeffrey4lpbourke, ^^16:06
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pbourkethanks Jeffrey4l16:06
pbourkethat's the one16:06
pbourkein summary16:06
pbourkeour images are currently using ceph 12.2.116:06
pbourkein 12.2.2 they seem to have changed the limit on how many pgs you can have per osd16:07
pbourkeim not sure why our images haven't picked up this version, but as soon as we do, things will break16:07
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pbourkevbel has posted a solution on the bug, I just wanted to bring this up and see if we're happy with this solution16:07
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pbourkeessentially, we should set the pg size for the pools we create to a very small value16:08
pbourkeand make it very clear via documentation or a warning message that operators need to revise these before deploying to production16:08
pbourkekolla cannot accurately calculate these up front as it depends on the size and shape of each individual cluster16:09
Jeffrey4lthe issue is kolla don't know what's the ceph cluster size before deploying.16:09
pbourkeright16:09
pbourkeI think this makes sense, but Im not a ceph expert :)16:09
Jeffrey4luse a smaller number for "ceph_pool_pg_num" works.16:10
pbourkeok, we'll post a patch and people can review. Far as I can tell it wont be an issue for upgrades but will check this also16:10
Jeffrey4lno matter how the number is. the operator still could hit this issue.16:12
Jeffrey4lfor example there is only one ceph-osd process16:12
Jeffrey4lhrm... ignore ^^16:13
pbourkeperhaps we could perform some calcuations up front?16:13
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pbourke*calculations16:13
Jeffrey4lpbourke, there are some recommendation from https://ceph.com/pgcalc/16:13
pbourkeyeah16:14
pbourkeI think in the future this problem may go away anyhow, I read something about ceph looking to make pg configuration more transparent16:14
Jeffrey4lcool. interesting16:15
pbourke#link https://ceph.com/community/new-luminous-pg-overdose-protection/16:15
Jeffrey4ltoo long. will read it later.16:16
pbourkeso ok I think that's it for now16:16
caoyuanpbourke thanks pbourke:)16:16
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Jeffrey4lfor kolla i think we can reduce the ceph pool pg num and add some note in doc at the same time. because this issue can not be ignore so far in kolla.16:17
pbourkecan we move on?16:18
Jeffrey4lyes.16:19
Jeffrey4l#topic  Review clean up (pbourke)16:19
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Jeffrey4lstill yours pbourke16:19
pbourke#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/kolla-ansible+status:open16:19
pbourkeso just wanted to highlight that we still have reviews open from mid 201716:19
pbourkeI propose that these are tidied up16:20
pbourkethis looks better overall and makes it easier for reviewers to find whats important16:20
pbourkeunsure what criteria other projects use, I was going to suggest either 3 or 6 months16:20
pbourkewhat do people think?16:20
Jeffrey4lreasonable.16:20
harlowja+116:21
spsuryapbourke: reasonable to me too16:21
mgoddard+1, with a warning before abandoning16:21
caoyuan+16:21
caoyuan116:21
Jeffrey4li wonder is there any bot could do this in openstack now.16:21
pbourkewhat Ive seen in the past is a core will simply abandon with something like "thanks for looking at this, if you're interested in continuing this work feel free to reopen"16:21
harlowjaya i'd recommend ^16:22
pbourkea bot would be useful but I dont think there's too many16:22
duonghq+1, I prefer 6mo, we should left a bit more detail like: no activity in xxx mo16:22
pbourkeso I'm happy to go ahead and do this16:22
harlowjai'd rather these have the human touch to it; people may have put in blood/sweat and tears into some of those changes16:22
pbourkeduonghq: 6 months is fine16:22
pbourkeis trivial for people to reopen, it just takes them off our radar16:22
pbourke*it's16:22
Jeffrey4li saw some simliar bot in launchpad. btw we should cleanup bugs in the same way16:23
pbourkeoh, yes even more so for bugs16:23
spsuryaAlso before that if we try to reach author at once then post the comment about abandon etc16:23
Jeffrey4lfor bugs, i found this script https://github.com/openstack-infra/release-tools/blob/master/expire_old_bug_reports.py16:24
mgoddardif a bug is confirmed but not fixed, should it still be closed?16:24
pbourkemgoddard: hard to say, if old enough if may no longer be valid16:24
mgoddardI recently attended a bug triage session with the ironic team. That could be another way to tackle it16:25
pbourkesounds good16:25
pbourkeI find it difficult to keep up with the bugs, if we had a formal session every now and then we might do better at keeping on top of them16:25
Jeffrey4lfrom the script, it will mark the bug as close  if there is no update for 18 month16:26
mgoddardthey also have a bug liaison person assigned each week, who keeps track of new bugs16:26
mgoddard18 months seems a reasonable amount of time16:26
mgoddardalthough I think harlowja's point about the human touch applies here too16:27
harlowjaya, just keep in mind that there are people behind those bugs/reviews ...16:27
harlowjawith feelings and such :-P16:27
Jeffrey4lmgoddard, +1 https://github.com/openstack-infra/release-tools/blob/master/expire_old_bug_reports.py#L162-L17316:28
chasonMaybe we can just fix  bugs of the maintained realease.16:28
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Jeffrey4lmgoddard, triage session sound a good solution too.16:29
Jeffrey4lchason, what is that meaning?16:29
mgoddardJeffrey4l: It allows us to pool knowledge, rather than rely on one person with a limited domain16:29
Jeffrey4lmgoddard, do you konw how the session is orgranized?16:30
mgoddardJeffrey4l: there was a ML post, I'll find it16:31
Jeffrey4lchason, since we haven't stable-policy tag now. in fact we could backport some bp-like patch check http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129265.html16:31
Jeffrey4lcool. i will check that later.16:31
Jeffrey4lso for this topic, the conclusion for now is: we will close the bp(6 months)/bugs(18months) with a proper comments.16:32
Jeffrey4lmanully or automatically.16:32
mgoddardhttps://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg117769.html16:33
mgoddardalso see follow up emails for format16:33
mgoddardit was a video call via bluejeans16:33
Jeffrey4lyep16:34
Jeffrey4lmaybe we could scheduler one if there is enough guy who interested this16:34
Jeffrey4lok. seems we are done for this topic16:35
Jeffrey4llet's move16:35
Jeffrey4l#topic Open Discussion16:35
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Jeffrey4lany volunteer?16:35
mgoddardI made a demo of kayobe16:36
mgoddardFast version: https://asciinema.org/a/176888?speed=216:36
mgoddardReal time: https://asciinema.org/a/17688316:36
mgoddardThere will be a blog post to follow shortly16:37
Jeffrey4lcool16:37
chasonmgoddard nice work! :)16:37
mgoddardAlso, I recently created a proof of concept CI job for bifrost16:38
pbourkenice one16:38
mgoddardhttps://review.openstack.org/54977516:38
harlowjaso i have a question16:38
mgoddardit worked at one point, but is now failing again :)16:38
harlowjai've been trying to get the sensu images to build (we use source mode)16:38
mgoddardis this something the kolla team would be interested in having?16:38
spsuryamgoddard: will watch your nice job16:39
harlowjabut i've noticed http://paste.openstack.org/show/719424/ happens in source mode (on centos)16:39
harlowjaso i'm thinking that we may want to emit some kind of error for kolla building of sensu in source mode (until thats adddressed)16:39
Jeffrey4lmgoddard, yep. more jobs is welcome.16:40
mgoddardcool, I'll fix the issue and add some reviewers16:40
harlowjai think it will work in binary mode, though on centos i'm having to force add `centos-release-openstack-pike`16:40
harlowjaso wondering if anyone else has tried those sensu containers?16:40
pbourkeharlowja: I'm not very familiar but  - we dont build source containers for non openstack components, so the binary/source workflow for sensu should be the same?16:41
harlowjapbourke well it can be tried, it just craps out pretty late in the build process16:41
harlowjaso it almost feels better to die early16:41
Jeffrey4lsensu is a binary install. and it depends on some oenstack client.16:41
pbourkeharlowja: ping me the review and I'll take a look16:42
Jeffrey4lbut why the novaclient is installed? the repo is well configured in source install type16:42
Jeffrey4lis not installed*16:42
harlowjawhich repo has it :)16:42
harlowjaon centos16:42
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Jeffrey4lpython-novaclient? delorean repo? let me check that16:44
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harlowjaya, let me know16:45
harlowjamaybe it's something we messed up also16:45
harlowja(on centos not rhel)16:45
Jeffrey4lpython2-novaclient.noarch                                                                    1:9.1.0-0.20170804194758.0a53d19.el7.centos                                                                     delorean16:45
harlowjaseems like a different name no?16:45
Jeffrey4lyes.16:45
Jeffrey4lnovaclient may chagned name during this cycle. prepare for python3?16:46
Jeffrey4lso i guess this maybe a bug in sensu side.16:46
harlowjaya, i'll check to see if delorean is active16:46
harlowjaand do some double-checking16:46
Jeffrey4land sensu should fix the its dependency16:46
Jeffrey4lbtw, here is another silimar issue happend on kolla_toolbox https://review.openstack.org/56179716:47
Jeffrey4lharlowja, delorean is rdo master repo. so it is active.16:47
Jeffrey4lre kolla_toolbox, we are using source install ansible for kolla_toolbox no matter what the install_type is16:48
harlowjaya, https://github.com/openstack-packages/osops-tools-monitoring/blob/rdo-liberty/osops-tools-monitoring-oschecks.spec may also just need to be updated16:48
Jeffrey4lbut recently, i found "pip install ansible" breaks the OS on ocata branch for oraclelinux16:48
Jeffrey4lcheck https://review.openstack.org/56157316:49
Jeffrey4lpbourke, ^^ you may be insteresting.16:49
Jeffrey4lharlowja, cool16:49
harlowjait'd be nice if it could just be in a virtualenv for https://github.com/openstack/osops-tools-monitoring16:49
harlowjainstead of a package (especially in source mode)16:49
harlowjabut just thought i'd ask if people have seen this :-P16:49
Jeffrey4lharlowja, sensu is a ruby project.16:50
harlowjaya, i know16:50
Jeffrey4lhttps://github.com/sensu/sensu16:50
harlowjamore of the checks in https://github.com/openstack/osops-tools-monitoring/tree/master/monitoring-for-openstack are the things getting installed16:51
harlowjaafaik that's what is in the rpm that is broke(maybe broke?)16:51
Jeffrey4lbut centos add the client depency when install sensu.16:52
ktibiJeffrey4l, I see you answer about repo for stable branch. but for master do you know the repo used ?16:53
Jeffrey4li still think this should be fixed on centos side.16:53
Jeffrey4lktibi, yep for master we are using passed-ci repo16:53
ktibiit's about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562242/ I add package in passed-ci :/16:54
Jeffrey4lktibi, check https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/kolla/common/config.py#L4116:54
harlowjaJeffrey4l i'll do some checking before saying more :)16:54
ktibiJeffrey4l, package is in https://trunk.rdoproject.org/centos7-pike/current-passed-ci :/16:55
ktibiINFO:kolla.image.build.horizon:No package openstack-designate-ui available16:55
Jeffrey4lktibi, so it is not in the finally pike repo?16:56
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Jeffrey4lktibi, if so, you may have to wait until the package is rolled into centos-release-openstack-pike repo.16:56
ktibiho ok. I understand now. For backport in stable branch, we use stable repo ><16:56
Jeffrey4lyep16:57
ktibiok I'll ask to #rdo ^^16:57
Jeffrey4lcool16:57
Jeffrey4lok, we are almost run out of time.16:58
Jeffrey4lthanks guys for coming.16:58
Jeffrey4lhave a nice day&night16:58
Jeffrey4llet us end the meeting.16:58
Jeffrey4l#endmeeting16:58
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