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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 31 14:00:15 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
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| McClymontS | Somewhat present o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | hi everyone | 14:00 |
| Luzi | o/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | erno is on vacation this week | 14:00 |
| smcginnis | hi | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | how was the summit? | 14:01 |
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| rosmaita | it was good, will update you in a minute | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | ok | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | there's a bunch of stuff on the agenda, but it should move pretty quickly | 14:02 |
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| rosmaita | #topic updates - vancouver forum | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates - vancouver forum (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| rosmaita | the summit was good | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | my feeling was that there were more operators and less sales people | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | but that could just be who i was hanging out with | 14:02 |
| smcginnis | I felt the same. | 14:02 |
| smcginnis | It was definitely smaller, but actually felt more productive that way. | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | the forum was good, a lot of sessions like the old-fashioned design summit sessions | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | great | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | so, as far as glance goes: we received mostly positive feedback | 14:03 |
| smcginnis | And lots of operators in the room, which was great to see. | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | ++ | 14:03 |
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| rosmaita | the one thing that came up (again) is quota support | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | that's good to hear | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | I might pick that up for next cycle | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | but people understand that we're waiting on the openstack-wide direction to stabilize before we implement them | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | cool | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | as far as specific topics for glance | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | no problems raised with interoperable image import | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | the image lifecycle session was well-attended, lots of discussion | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | consensus was that the hidden images spec is required, then the rest is probably just metadata | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | but the metadata needs to be somehow standardized for interoperability | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | i'll probably work on that a bit, possible good use of metadefs | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: you will be happy to hear that operators are very excited about your multiple backends proposal | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | awesome | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | erno outlined it, people seemed to agree that it meets their use cases | 14:07 |
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| rosmaita | we pointed out the spec, i have not looked to see if anyone left comments | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | great | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | no comments yet | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | ok, we will take that as meaning the spec is great! | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | the edge computing session was also well attended | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | I am almost ready with the changes glance_store, glance and glanceclient | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: ++ | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | good news is it looks like the edge cases that were discussed can be met by current glance | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | you just need to be creative in configuring it and how you deploy | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | i think sean cohen at Red Hat said he will drive a proof-of-concept | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | interesting, I will have a look at the video | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | so it looks like nothing for us at this point from the glance side (though our RH people may be pulled in, I imagine( | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | i think that's all ... smcginnis anything I missed? | 14:10 |
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| smcginnis | No, nothing else I can think of. | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | i'm sure erno will read through and he can add his thoughts at next week's meeting | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | cool | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | #topic updates - releases | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates - releases (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:11 | |
| rosmaita | ok, Rocky-2 milestone is next week | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | we will try as usual to release late on Wednesday | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | ok | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | spec freeze happens Thursday (i think at meeting time), so please get your final comments on them | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | and, we have a bug scrub scheduled for Friday | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | I just noticed there has not been a glance-store release yet. | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | Or is that glance_store? ;) | 14:12 |
| Luzi | spec freeze for rocky or also for stein? (i am new btw) | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | Luzi : for rocky | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | Luzi: Welcome! | 14:12 |
| Luzi | thank you | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | and what smcginnis said, Welcome! happy to have you here | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | i don't think we've had anything substantive into glance store so far, i will have to look | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | i think just one patch merged 2 days before related to fix in doc strings | 14:14 |
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| smcginnis | OK, great. | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | do we need a release soon? i thought the deadline was close to Rocky-3 | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | the big change will be the multihash stuff, not sure if it will be ready by wednesday | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | There's the membership freeze that says milestone projects need to participate in at least two milestone releases. | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | Ah, but this is cycle-with-intermediary, not cycle-with-milestones, so I guess we're good. | 14:16 |
| smcginnis | So nevermind me. :) | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | cool, thanks for checking! | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | i think that's the same for glanceclient also? | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | Correct. | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | though i guess that doesn't matter, i think we did a release from master a few months ago | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | 2.11.0 i think | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, client didn't come up in my list. That's good. | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | great | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all for updates | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | #topic glance project py35 situation | 14:19 |
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| rosmaita | ok, so it turns out that my impression that our py35 functional test failures, associated with ssl, were cert problems, was incorrect | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | it's actually an eventlet problem | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | :( | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1769006 | 14:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1769006 in Glance "reconfigure functional-py35 tests" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Rosmaita (brian-rosmaita) | 14:20 |
| smcginnis | Oh!? | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | so, if you look at that bug, i've outlined how we're going to handle this short term | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | (see comments #1 and #2) | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | when I say "I", i wrote it down, but it was erno's idea | 14:21 |
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| rosmaita | anyway, there are some patches to please review | 14:21 |
| smcginnis | Thanks for getting this all written down. I haven't been able to keep track of what the issues are, so this really helps. | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | np | 14:21 |
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| rosmaita | so, it's not all bad, there is a workaround for glance, namely don't let eventlet deal with ssl handshakes | 14:22 |
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| abhishekk | sounds good | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | so one patch adds that to our docs | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | the other change is to stop skipping those functional tests ... instead, we are blacklisting them in the regular functional-py35 testenv | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | and adding a new non-voting job that will run only those tests | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | that way it will be obvious that there is a problem | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | and it will be obvious if it is fixed | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | so, associated with that patch is another patch that zane bitter put up to change how we run the serial tests | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | when i say "associated with" what i mean is that i will have to rewrite my patch if we merge zane's | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | which is perfectly ok | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | but i have some reservations (which honestly may be due to laziness) | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571286/ | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | so please look it over and think about what makes sense for long-term maintenance | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | ok, and the final patch is an update to the governance repo explaining our situation | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | plus side is glance_store and glanceclient have satisfied the py35 goal | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | any questions about the py35 stuff? | 14:26 |
| smcginnis | In case folks haven't seen the plan, we have a couple releases to sort out any py3 related things. | 14:27 |
| abhishekk | no questions, good workaround | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis: is the plan published anywhere yet? | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: In the works now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571011/4/resolutions/20180529-python2-deprecation-timeline.rst | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | great, ty | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | But basically, py2 support will be dropped in U. | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | Unicorn! | 14:28 |
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| smcginnis | So we have a hard deadline to make sure we get things working before then. | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's good | 14:29 |
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| rosmaita | #topic periodic "tips" testing status | 14:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "periodic "tips" testing status (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:29 | |
| rosmaita | the good news is that this is mostly working! | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | still have a year | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | what i need people to do is to look at the jobs I've defined and see if I left anything out | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | as a reminder, the idea is that we will periodically run our tests against the masters of other openstack projects we depend on | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | and i believe we could also use non-openstack projects, but i haven't tried that yet (woudl be really good to test against warlock for glanceclient) | 14:31 |
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| rosmaita | on that note, has everyone heard about the gitclient vulnerability? | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | remote code execution when you recursively clone a repo | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | no, | 14:32 |
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| rosmaita | #link https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2018-11235 | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | the fix is either do not recursively clone a repo, or update your git client to 2.17.1 | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | ty for the link | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | anyway, the only reason i brought that up is i'm not sure the infra team is ready for us to start cloning random git repos | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | to get back on track, please take a look at the .zuul.yaml (i will list the patches in a minute) | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | i tried to group related projects so that we're not running a million different jobs | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | and i think i got most of the openstack deps out of requirements.txt | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | for glance_store: | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/571305 | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | for python-glanceclient: | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/571310 | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | for glance: | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/569225 | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | i should say something about how to see the results of these. | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | each of them has an earlier patch set where i ran the jobs that we're defining to be periodic in the experimental queue | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | so you can look at those logs if you like | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | the key thing to look at is in the tox directory | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | there will be a file *siblings.txt | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | if you look at it, it should list the repos that are being cloned, and will show uninstalling the released package of those projects and building a wheel from master and using that insetad | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | oh yeah, one more thing | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | once we merge these patches, the periodic jobs will show up "in zuul" | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | what i mean is you go to zuul.openstack.org | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | take the "Builds" tab | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | and then you can filter at the top of the page | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | put "periodic" for the pipeline and "openstack/glance" for the project | 14:39 |
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| rosmaita | it doesn't take wild cards, so you have to do it separately for store, client | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | anyway, you can do that now for glance and you will see some oslo jobs | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | oslo is already running their masters every night against glance master! | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | any questions? | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | got it | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | i think my advice is let's merge these, and if i missed some deps we should test, we can do it in a follow-up patch | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | unless you notice something obvious, we can fix that now | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | which actually brings me to the next topic | 14:41 |
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| rosmaita | #topic anti-nitpicking-statement | 14:41 |
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| rosmaita | this is just an awareness thing | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | there was discussion at the summit about not discouraging new contributors | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | TheJulia volunteered to put together a statement and start a ML discussion | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | so | 14:42 |
| smcginnis | I think overall the glance team isn't so bad with nitpicking, but glad it's being discussed. | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-May/130802.html | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis ++ | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570940/ | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | if you're interested in this, you'll probably want to read both | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | the email thread is really long | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i like to think we're pretty good in the glance community | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | we're a bit picky about user-facing things, but otherwise i think we're pretty solid | 14:44 |
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| rosmaita | meaning, raising mostly substantive points on reviews | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | I think that's appropriate to be a little more picky on user facing things. | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | i think the summary position is that it's fine to point out nits, just don't -1 something merely because of a nit | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | except maybe for user-facing things | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | i think that is important to emphasize | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | i think smcginnis is good about this | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | you often see him pointing something out and saying, "you can address this if you put up a new patch" | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | i think that is a really good practice | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | basically, if you see something incorrect, always point it out | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | whether it makes you want to block a patch or not ... is a judgement call | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | I do think it's good to give feedback, but there are a lot of things that can be improved but shouldn't block a legitimate fix or improvement. | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | All a bit subjective if course. | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | exactly | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | *of | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | nit! | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all from me | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:48 |
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| abhishekk | any specific etherpads of glance discussion during summit? | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | yes, i think they're all listed on the wiki page, give me a minute to find the link | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | thanks | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Vancouver2018 | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | will go through those | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | hopefully all of ours say "glance" somewhere | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | oh yeah, just noticed, we had 2 people show up for project onboarding | 14:50 |
| abhishekk | thats good news | 14:50 |
| Luzi | i was one of them | 14:51 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | great! | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | Luzi why don't you introduce yourself | 14:51 |
| abhishekk | Luzi, let us know if you need anything | 14:51 |
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| rosmaita | abhishekk is our person on IST | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ is on Dublin time | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | i am EST | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | well, EDT actually | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis is CDT i think | 14:53 |
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| Luzi | well, I am CET - Berlin | 14:53 |
| smcginnis | Yep | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | so we have pretty good coverage for answering questions | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | yep | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | great, don't hesitate to ask any of us questions in #openstack-glance | 14:54 |
| smcginnis | Luzi: Great, you can show us around at the next Summit. ;) | 14:54 |
| Luzi | I work for Secustack - we had a presentation at the summit in Vancouver for securing user data. I wasn't the presenter, but was at many onboarding sessions | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | good to know | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | glad you came to the glance meeting! | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | anything else? | 14:56 |
| Luzi | we would like to contribute a few things, and i wanted to write a first spec for osc, but sadly there aren't many people there | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | Maybe a great place to get involved then. | 14:57 |
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| rosmaita | on a selfish note, could I get some eyes on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514114/ ? it would be nice to get it into R-2 | 14:57 |
| Luzi | yeah, I will come back, either on ml or here to ask questions. Thank you, nevertheless :) | 14:57 |
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| smcginnis | rosmaita: In a tab. | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | ty! | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | ok, i guess that's all for today ... have a productive week, everyone! | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 31 15:00:01 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-05-31-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-05-31-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-05-31-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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