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| rosmaita | hi sean | 13:59 |
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| smcginnis | Morning rosmaita | 13:59 |
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| rosmaita | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 20 14:00:03 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | erno is going to be a bit late | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| abhishekk | we should skip the updates part for later | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | good idea | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | #topic periodic tips jobs | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "periodic tips jobs (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| rosmaita | they're all green! | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | great | 14:01 |
| smcginnis | Woot | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | we still need to stop them from running in stable/rocky for glance and the client | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | andreas had some concerns about the change, but i did answer this morning | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/599837 | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | just saw the patches | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/599844 | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | yeah, please take a look and let me know what you think ... i'd really like to merge these or give them up to someone else | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | but enough about me | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | #topic remove bandit tests from stable branches | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "remove bandit tests from stable branches (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
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| rosmaita | i guess the new thing there is backporting all the way to pike | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | did anyone talk about this at the PTG? | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | this topic was not on the list for PTG discussion | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | I unfortunately had to miss all of the Glance sessions. :( | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | i'm sort of leery about turning stuff off in still-active stable branches | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | because i think imacdonn is going to make a bugfix backport to pike | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | At least with bandit, that's not likely to uncover anything in stable branches. Especially the older ones. | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | i'll admit i don't know much about bandit | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | If there are issues, we should catch them before they are backported. | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | Assuming someone actually looks at the output. | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | :d | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | let's put this down for jokke to take a look at | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | #action jokke decide backport of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/598426/1 | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | ok, looks like next topic is really for jokke, too | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | #action jokke look at item 4 in today's agenda | 14:10 |
| smcginnis | We can just assign all actions to jokke since he's not here. :D | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | ok, next item is about something discussed at the PTG | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | #topic PTG report | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG report (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:11 | |
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| rosmaita | abhishekk: could you give a quick rundown of any highlights from the PTG? | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | ah, jokke_ is here | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: you are saved by the bell | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | #chair jokke_ | 14:11 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jokke_ rosmaita | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | literally just got home ... on from the conservatory ;) | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: we held off on the update for you | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | ok | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | also, you have some actions assigned to you | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | so the highlights are pretty much: | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | we need to focus our limited resources to stabilize things again for Stein cycle | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | Meaning we will be making the multiple back-ends stable api by S-3 | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | the other thing we will be working on is the cluster aware glance | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | mainly making pre-caching images possible and image import with glance-direct without shared filesystem | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | other than that we will be pretty much doing bugfixing etc. | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | what do our resources look like for Stein? | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | we have a milestone targets written down at the end of etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-ptg-glance-planning | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | Limited. :] | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | very thin | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks ... i have not been following the ML at all | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | so there might be other feature work coming given that there is actual people doing it | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | Luckily we have 2-3 new contributors willing to take care of some lite features | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | nice! | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | i just looked at that etherpad ... was it really just jokke_ and abhishekk at the PTG? | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | (sean said earlier that he had other obligations and missed the glance sessions) | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | on day one we were 3 people an day 4 we were total 4 peoples :D | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | yes, there was some interestand promises of people, but I'll be convinced when I see those people start to show up :D | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | s/day one/day 3 | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | well, it's good that there were some new faces | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | yes | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:19 |
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| abhishekk | (am I disconnected?) | 14:21 |
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| jokke_ | no | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: i see you | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | ok | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | I just got browser up to get agenda open | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | so I guess that's it ... we can move on | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | #topic remove bandit tests from stable branches | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "remove bandit tests from stable branches (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:22 | |
| rosmaita | we discussed this, decided that you need to decide if it should go into stable/pike | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | none of us have any objections | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | ok, will have a look, but should be fine dropping from there too | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | but it's up to the ptl | 14:23 |
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| jokke_ | #topic backports | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "backports (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:23 | |
| jokke_ | there was 2 backports listed ... something special about these? | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | ohh this is the location replacement thingie | 14:25 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_: i think it's just the state transition change | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | at least at this point | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i don't know why i am being such a weenie about these backports, it's another one i didn't want to approve myself | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | Yeah I'm not sure ... it definitely breaks our API backwards compatibility and I'm not still convinced it's a bug | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | but I don't know if it's worth of fighting | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | i do think it's a bug ... is the API break that now you'll get the state transition? | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | (just wondering if i am missing something) | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | well so far we haven't done state transition until you do add (which really is insert) | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | and I don't think it's documented anywhere either that the replace should trigger any state transitions | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | so in that perspective I think it's backwards breaking change | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | well, the lack of documentation is certainly true | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | i see your point | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | if it was documented as it should do it this would have been really straight forward bug to be fixed and backported | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | but that has never been the case | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | i don't want to leave imacdonn hanging on this, maybe something to the ML? | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | maybe operators list, just to see if it would break anything | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | my thought as well | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | makes sense | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | what smcginnis opinion | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | although there is really no reason why anyone should ever use the replace against queued image that has no locations | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | but I do see the frustration | 14:34 |
| smcginnis | Does someone have the review link? | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | ++ to your comment about no reason why anyone would do this | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/598204 | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis: ^^ | 14:36 |
| smcginnis | Oh right, thanks. | 14:36 |
| smcginnis | I took that as a bug fix, so even though it is a behavior change, it is a change to be "more correct". | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis: my feeling exactly | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | though see what jokke_ said above about maybe it is not really a bug | 14:37 |
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| rosmaita | so, it has merged into master | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | I can see it either way, so I will defer to the experts. :) | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | i wonder if someone should write up a release note about it being a bugfix? | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | But if it's merged to master... | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | then that way we can backport more easily | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | maybe without going to the ML | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | That may help. Probably should have had that with there being a change in behavior. | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | except to give a heads-up | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | (that last comment was about going to the ML) | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | so I'm not gonna push revert for the master patch but I'm not eager to backport it either | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | Maybe just leave it as is in stable and move forward? | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | A release note would still be good in master. | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | well, the one thing we know is that there is someone who needs to use this on the older branches | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | question is whether we should make them carry their own patch | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: that's what I was thinking ... but lets ask people's opinion for it ... I know it will make Ian's life easier if we backport it | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | ok, how about i work with ian on a release note, and then we send something to the ML? | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | yeah, lets not make the call hastily now. | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | #topic Validation data with location update, as discussed at PTG | 14:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Validation data with location update, as discussed at PTG (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:41 | |
| rosmaita | we need the release note anyway, and this way there will be something definite to refer to | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | so this is related to the above | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | there is currently no way to set any of the checksums when the locations patch call is used | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | and we discussed options to allow that pre/during the ptg | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | did that change get merged into the API? i looked at a patch week before ptg, but then stuff came up and i never followed up | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | IMHO I think we should allow setting the checksums on the same call when the location is set and the image goes active | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | there is spec lite | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/597648 | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | and allow it on no other calls, you mean? | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | api implementation | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/597368 | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | and client implementation | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/602794 | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: correct | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | looks like i did not leave comments, wanted to look more closely, but i liked the general approach in the patch | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | I don't think we should break the API that has been stable for the other use cases but I'm willing to make this happen as there is no other way to get the info in | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | well, it's only a teensy-tiny break | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | and last thing I want is the api node pulling the data down just to calculate checksum for it | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | right | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | and we don't want some clever person to start hiding checksum data in the location metadata | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | so i am glad that this patch will reject any such attempt, iirc | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | it's not teensy break for any other usecases as we would need to start rejecting the data and killing images again upon upload/import if we allowed it in all cases | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | i mean, they can still do it, but they can't call it 'checksum', 'os_hash_algo' or 'os_hash_value' | 14:47 |
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| jokke_ | yeah, if you it into some other property it won't break anything if it's wrong | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | so you are still dead-set against adding checksum to v2 API image-create? | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | yeah, that would need to break way too much ... the fight was lost when the API was designed and it works as designed | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | (sorry I was busy in another meeting) | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will not argue | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | specially now when we have the conversion in image import which means that you really can't trust that the user know correct checksum for the data that ends to the backend | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | that's a good point | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | and I don't want glance just overwriting the user given checksum either 'cause that would invalidate the whole point making it possible | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | so I'm ok allowing it in locations patch and limiting it to that | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | well, i do think using the location is an elegant way to smuggle it in for this particular use case | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | then it's really admin's responsibility to not break their cloud ;) | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | location metadata i mean | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | yeah, so lets continue the discussion on reviews | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | so the current lite-spec is as per the discussion during the PTG | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | #topic Open Discussion | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:53 | |
| abhishekk | I have one | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | we need to add multiple backend support (support to read multiple backend config changes during scrubber and cache service start) | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | so should I mark it as a bug and propose patches against it? | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: if there is issues with those two, then yes lets open a bug and work it through that way | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | that makes sense to me | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, rosmaita ack | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | it's clearly something we have overlooked and is part of stabilizing the feature | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | that's it, over to rosmaita | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | i have some news ... i haven't put up a stackalytics patch yet because i don't know my new email | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | but this is my last week at verizon | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | and actually, i am on vacation until friday | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: Good news, right? | 14:56 |
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| rosmaita | i'm headed to Red Hat | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | Woot! | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | thanks! | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | \\o \o/ o// o/7 | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | congratulations \o/ | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | thank you! | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | well that is good and not so good news | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | The gravitational pull is getting strong over there. :) | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | i have orientation early next week, so will mostly be offline until wednesday afternoon new york time | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | :d | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | yeah, the not so good part is that i'm being asked to work mostly on cinder | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | but i have been assured that i can participate in glance | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | Woot woot! :D | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | but it will most likely be mostly reviews | 14:58 |
| abhishekk | great | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | won't have time for glance coding | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | I'll help you with Cinder, you can help me with Glance. ;) | 14:58 |
| abhishekk | I will catch you for coding help :P | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | <3 | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis: deal! | 14:58 |
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| abhishekk | we need to worry about diversity tag? | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | i think diversity tags were eliminated | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | last minute | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | so yeah, even less diversity and bit of shift of focus but I hope this is overall positive change (at least Cinder team will win hell of a lot) | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | great | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | so no worries! | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | ++, we can utilize rosmaita both ways :D | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | :D | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | ok, that's it for today. Thanks all, hopefully I'll be awake tomorrow to tackle those few things hanging | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | bye all! | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 20 15:00:43 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | thank you all | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-09-20-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-09-20-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-09-20-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
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