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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 20 08:00:29 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi :-) | 08:00 |
| idan_hefetz | hi | 08:01 |
| e0ne | morning | 08:01 |
| nooryameen | good morning | 08:01 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Status and updates | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:03 | |
| ifat_afek | We should tag the Stein release candidate by tomorrow. I am going to submit a change for this purpose soon | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | Once done, we will have stable/stein branches (for python-vitrageclient it already exists) and the master will be used for Train development. | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | We can still fix urgent bugs next week | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | In order to check the release candidate, I created a brand new devstack and made some manual tests. I wrote a new document in gerrit that contains those tests: | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/643337/ | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | Some of them overlap with existing tempest tests, but personally I feel more secure seeing that things really work | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | For others, mainly the CLI and UI, we don’t have automatic tests at the moment. | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | That’s it for me. | 08:04 |
| e0ne | ifat_afek: thank you for sharing these tests | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | e0ne: sure, and feel free to comment or add to the document | 08:05 |
| e0ne | sure, will do | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | anyone else wants to update? | 08:06 |
| nooryameen | for me no new updates , working on vitrage react dashboard for denver | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | ok, moving to Denver topic | 08:08 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Denver Summit | 08:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Denver Summit (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:08 | |
| ifat_afek | Unfortunately, eyalb and najjar will not be able to attend the summit. It means that we will have to make some changes in the agenda, and cancel some activities. | 08:08 |
| e0ne | :( | 08:08 |
| ifat_afek | definitely :-( | 08:08 |
| ifat_afek | Since I’m already listed as a speaker on three sessions, I asked to cancel the project onboarding session and replace eyalb and najjar in the Vitrage&Monasca hands-on lab. | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | usually there are about four people in the project onboarding, so the lab is more important | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | In addition, I asked to cancel the Vitrage RCA in k8s forum and replace eyalb in the Vitrage use cases and UI forum. With the help of e0ne, Alon and nooryameen I think we can have a productive discussion in this forum | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/global-search?t=vitrage | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | (I think the changes were not updated yet) | 08:10 |
| eyalb | \o | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | Regarding the PTG, we’ve got a room for two days (Friday and Saturday). I asked for half a day on Friday, I think it will be enough considering there will be few Vitrage contributors | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | PTG etherpad.: | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-train-ptg | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | That’s it for me | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | anything else? seems like a short meeting :-) | 08:13 |
| ifat_afek | Ok, see you next week! | 08:15 |
| e0ne | have a good day and see you next week | 08:15 |
| eyalb | bye | 08:15 |
| nooryameen | bye | 08:15 |
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| idan_hefetz | see you :) | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 20 08:15:34 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2019/vitrage.2019-03-20-08.00.html | 08:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2019/vitrage.2019-03-20-08.00.txt | 08:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2019/vitrage.2019-03-20-08.00.log.html | 08:15 |
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| egonzalez | #startmeeting kolla | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 20 15:00:54 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is egonzalez. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:00 |
| egonzalez | #topic rollcall | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:01 | |
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| mnasiadka | o/ | 15:01 |
| chason | o/ | 15:02 |
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| hrw | o/ | 15:03 |
| egonzalez | hope mark to be here today :( | 15:05 |
| egonzalez | #topic Announcements | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:05 | |
| egonzalez | Kolla will have feature freeze for Stein from March 18th - 21st | 15:05 |
| egonzalez | this mean after this week no feature can be merged until we tag rc1 (creates stable/stein branch) | 15:06 |
| egonzalez | be sure only merge bugs or things missing which breaks the release | 15:06 |
| hrw | so py3 -> train | 15:06 |
| egonzalez | yes | 15:07 |
| hrw | added review priority -1 (branch freeze) to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/642375 | 15:08 |
| egonzalez | work started late and we dont have enough time to test all properly | 15:08 |
| hrw | and got heavily hit by issues from many sides | 15:08 |
| egonzalez | can make stein in a dangerous state, so I prefer to leave for train release | 15:08 |
| hrw | +2 | 15:08 |
| egonzalez | py3 for T is a big goal, since rhel8 may come, and other distros shift most to py3 too | 15:09 |
| hrw | Train is 'py3 must be present', Ucycle is 'py2 may go' | 15:09 |
| egonzalez | next announcement | 15:09 |
| egonzalez | New PTL | 15:09 |
| egonzalez | Mark (mgoddard) is our new PTL for Train cycle | 15:10 |
| hrw | yay Mark! | 15:10 |
| egonzalez | give him all the support and be as nice with him as you're been with me | 15:10 |
| hrw | egonzalez: thanks for being PTL | 15:10 |
| egonzalez | is been a please to serve for this awesome project, thank you all for the support | 15:11 |
| egonzalez | *pleasure | 15:11 |
| egonzalez | thats all announcements from my side, any other new? | 15:11 |
| hrw | not me | 15:12 |
| egonzalez | #topic Kolla whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kolla whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:13 | |
| egonzalez | please keep an eye on this etherpad, here are gate status, feature tracking and release states | 15:13 |
| hrw | ok | 15:14 |
| egonzalez | not sure what else need to be discussed today about the etherpad | 15:14 |
| hrw | I will reformat it a big - add lists etc | 15:14 |
| hrw | s/big/bit | 15:15 |
| egonzalez | hrw thanks | 15:15 |
| egonzalez | added a gate failure: kolla-ansible rpm distros failing due duplicated placement wsgi process name | 15:15 |
| hrw | noted | 15:15 |
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| hrw | mnasiadka: something for you? | 15:16 |
| hrw | ;d | 15:16 |
| mnasiadka | No no, I’m good, quiet is my nature :) | 15:17 |
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| egonzalez | #topic Tech preview concept in kolla-ansible | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tech preview concept in kolla-ansible (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:17 | |
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| egonzalez | this is a concept i've been thinking for a while | 15:18 |
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| hrw | egonzalez: some spec/bp for it? | 15:18 |
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| hrw | doc/notes? | 15:18 |
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| egonzalez | should we tag some services as not tested aka tech preview? | 15:18 |
| egonzalez | hrw regarding? | 15:18 |
| egonzalez | this came out around cyborg patch sets | 15:19 |
| hrw | ignore | 15:19 |
| egonzalez | the developer have said the service is not tested really because doesnt have the required hardware | 15:19 |
| egonzalez | if we merge it, we're officially releasing a service which likely is not working or will break someday | 15:20 |
| egonzalez | so the tech preview tag, will advise users that the service is not fully functional or may not work as is not production read | 15:20 |
| egonzalez | ready | 15:20 |
| mnasiadka | Uh, so then one thing is mark it as tech preview, or delay to Train and find test env | 15:21 |
| hrw | egonzalez: 'tech preview'? why not 'untested' | 15:21 |
| hrw | 'tech preview' has no real meaning | 15:21 |
| egonzalez | same apply to other service which has been implemented few releases ago and no patches updated them | 15:22 |
| egonzalez | probably many of our supported services really dont work on all distros/install types | 15:22 |
| hrw | I like idea | 15:23 |
| mnasiadka | Well, we have more services that we are not testing... | 15:23 |
| JamesBenson | I like the tagging idea as well | 15:23 |
| egonzalez | yeah, so tech preview or whatever term we want to use | 15:24 |
| egonzalez | we can discuss this on a mailing list or a spec review | 15:24 |
| mnasiadka | Makes sense | 15:24 |
| hrw | +2 | 15:25 |
| egonzalez | anything to add this topic? | 15:25 |
| hrw | fine with moving it to ML | 15:25 |
| egonzalez | #action Work on the "tech preview" concept | 15:25 |
| JamesBenson | which release would that be put on? | 15:25 |
| egonzalez | not sure if that #action thing do anything at all | 15:26 |
| JamesBenson | or immediately? | 15:26 |
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| hrw | JamesBenson: Train material | 15:26 |
| JamesBenson | thx | 15:26 |
| egonzalez | it will take some time to discuss, so probably train | 15:26 |
| mgoddard | hi all | 15:26 |
| hrw | mgoddard: hello | 15:26 |
| hrw | JamesBenson: Stein is done. | 15:26 |
| mgoddard | very sorry to miss the start of my first meeting /facepalm | 15:26 |
| egonzalez | mgoddard Hi, congrats on your new role :) | 15:26 |
| mgoddard | I'm at a customer site with no internet, and got caught up | 15:27 |
| mgoddard | thanks egonzalez | 15:27 |
| hrw | mgoddard: happens. I have two meetings now | 15:27 |
| mgoddard | just catching up | 15:27 |
| egonzalez | can we move to other topics? we have a couple more left | 15:28 |
| hrw | go | 15:28 |
| egonzalez | #topic Make TripleO centos job voting? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636141 | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Make TripleO centos job voting? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636141 (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:28 | |
| mgoddard | I added this one | 15:28 |
| egonzalez | i thing hrw this is yours or from someone from RH | 15:28 |
| egonzalez | ah, my mistake then | 15:29 |
| mgoddard | there was a request to make the tripleo centos job voting. What do we think? | 15:29 |
| mgoddard | It would be good to have coverage of their workflow, to ensure we don't break them | 15:29 |
| mgoddard | OTOH, we can't fix issues in their CI | 15:29 |
| egonzalez | jobs has been red the last times i looked at | 15:30 |
| hrw | tripleo-build-containers-centos-7 - that job it is? | 15:30 |
| mgoddard | yes | 15:30 |
| egonzalez | dont know the future of them using kolla images as they are moving to podman stuff for next release/s | 15:31 |
| mgoddard | podman is docker compatible, I'm not aware of plans to change | 15:31 |
| egonzalez | but their looking to rhel8 in kolla,so maybe is not anytime soon the time they shift | 15:31 |
| egonzalez | right | 15:31 |
| hrw | egonzalez: "alias docker=podman" and you may not notice they say... | 15:31 |
| mnasiadka | You will notice, but it’s another discussion | 15:32 |
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| mgoddard | quick vote - +1/-1? | 15:33 |
| mnasiadka | I would enable it, it has been green for some time | 15:33 |
| mnasiadka | +1 | 15:33 |
| mgoddard | http://zuul.openstack.org/builds?job_name=tripleo-build-containers-centos-7&project=openstack%2Fkolla | 15:33 |
| hrw | +1 - always can disable | 15:33 |
| mgoddard | that's a good record | 15:33 |
| mgoddard | +1 | 15:33 |
| egonzalez | +1 | 15:34 |
| mgoddard | ok. Let's vote accordingly on the patch | 15:34 |
| mgoddard | move on? | 15:35 |
| egonzalez | yep | 15:35 |
| hrw | yep | 15:35 |
| hrw | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard reformatted btw | 15:35 |
| egonzalez | #topic Meeting time change? | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting time change? (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:35 | |
| egonzalez | mgoddard also yours i think | 15:35 |
| egonzalez | without previous info, my +1 to this | 15:36 |
| mgoddard | yeah. This is something I added to my manifesto | 15:36 |
| mgoddard | I'd like to see if there is a meeting time that is more suitable for our contributors in APAC | 15:36 |
| * hrw on UTC+1 | 15:37 | |
| mgoddard | the current time is more US-friendly, but we don't seem to have too many US-based contributors these days | 15:37 |
| mgoddard | I'm UTC | 15:37 |
| mgoddard | any objections? | 15:37 |
| hrw | free to move | 15:37 |
| egonzalez | +1 | 15:37 |
| hrw | easier at APAC time (my morning) than LATAM morning | 15:37 |
| egonzalez | even many of them cannot connect to IRC due firewall restrictions, but may caught more interest | 15:37 |
| mgoddard | I'll send something on the ML. If we get no interest we can keep it the same | 15:38 |
| hrw | +1 | 15:38 |
| egonzalez | +1 | 15:38 |
| mgoddard | #action mgoddard to send to ML about meeting time change | 15:38 |
| mgoddard | Not sure if I can do that without starting the meeting myself | 15:38 |
| mgoddard | Let's move on | 15:38 |
| egonzalez | not sure if that even works hehe | 15:39 |
| egonzalez | #topic Virtual PTG? | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Virtual PTG? (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:39 | |
| mgoddard | me again :) | 15:39 |
| mgoddard | we've talked about holding a virtual PTG, it's time to find a time that fits | 15:39 |
| hrw | when is PTG/Summit? | 15:40 |
| mgoddard | how many hours/days to people think is appropriate | 15:40 |
| mgoddard | ? | 15:40 |
| egonzalez | maybe first find how many topics are to be discussed to plan times? | 15:40 |
| mgoddard | summit/PTG is April 29 - May 4th | 15:41 |
| mgoddard | good idea egonzalez | 15:41 |
| mgoddard | might be a bit of chicken and egg - some people might not attend if its too long :) | 15:41 |
| mgoddard | I think 1 day/8 hours would be plenty. Does anyone differ? | 15:42 |
| egonzalez | yeah, i'd need plan for vacation days for those days | 15:42 |
| egonzalez | yeah, probably is enough | 15:42 |
| hrw | 1st and 3rd are national holidays here so I may go somewhere with my daughter | 15:42 |
| mnasiadka | I’m on vacation from 30th April to 14th May ;) | 15:42 |
| mgoddard | I'd prefer to do it at a different time to summit/PTG | 15:43 |
| mgoddard | I will be in ironic discussions too | 15:43 |
| egonzalez | me too, more people could attend and will be EU/APAC time friendly | 15:43 |
| mgoddard | +1 | 15:43 |
| mnasiadka | +1 | 15:43 |
| mgoddard | it didn't work very well last time | 15:43 |
| mgoddard | if we have dedicated time we can concentrate | 15:44 |
| mgoddard | and if everyone is dialling in it will be a more level playing field | 15:44 |
| hrw | yep | 15:44 |
| mgoddard | ok. I'll send a second ML post about virtual PTG - requests for topics and availability | 15:45 |
| mgoddard | #action mgoddard to ask ML about virtual PTG availability and topics | 15:45 |
| mgoddard | any more on this? | 15:46 |
| egonzalez | not from me | 15:46 |
| mgoddard | ok, let's move on | 15:47 |
| egonzalez | #topic open discussion | 15:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:47 | |
| mgoddard | Perhaps we could go back to the white board, since I missed it | 15:47 |
| mgoddard | thanks for fixing it up hrw | 15:47 |
| egonzalez | #topic Kolla whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard v2 | 15:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kolla whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard v2 (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:47 | |
| mgoddard | this is something we use in ironic, and I think it works well | 15:47 |
| mgoddard | this is something we use in ironic, and I think it works well | 15:48 |
| mgoddard | it's a good way to keep track of CI status, features in progress etc | 15:48 |
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| mgoddard | also, how to prioritise reviews each week | 15:48 |
| hrw | what about merging https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-ci-status into it? | 15:48 |
| mgoddard | hrw: +1 | 15:48 |
| hrw | mgoddard: for priorities I prefer 'review priority' flag in gerrit | 15:48 |
| egonzalez | +1 | 15:48 |
| egonzalez | we could use priorities for topics rather than per patch in etherpad | 15:49 |
| hrw | yes | 15:49 |
| mgoddard | I've not found the review priority flag too helpful so far, but I haven't tried too hard to use it either | 15:49 |
| mgoddard | having the review priority +1 not being sticky is a bit annoying | 15:50 |
| hrw | mgoddard: it is visible every time you are on gerrit | 15:50 |
| mgoddard | hrw: maybe I just need to pay more attention to it | 15:50 |
| mgoddard | ok, let's ignore review priority section for now | 15:51 |
| hrw | I have gerrit nearly always open somewhere | 15:51 |
| mgoddard | hrw: same, but you have to look at the priority column to see it | 15:51 |
| mgoddard | anyway... | 15:51 |
| hrw | mgoddard: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/kolla+status:open shows it | 15:52 |
| mgoddard | I'd like us to try keeping a list of in progress features on the whiteboard | 15:52 |
| hrw | mgoddard: good idea | 15:52 |
| mgoddard | hrw: yeah, I know it's there | 15:52 |
| mgoddard | I don't think we've historically been great at keeping track of ongoing work in kolla. It's always hard in open source, but we can try | 15:53 |
| mgoddard | it's not so important for small things, but features spanning multiple patches we can track them there | 15:53 |
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| mnasiadka | mgoddard: we could also rework the gerrit dashboard, so some things are more visible. I like the Ironic one for example. | 15:54 |
| mgoddard | so if we allow a couple of minutes each meeting to update the whiteboard, hopefully it will start to reflect reality | 15:54 |
| mgoddard | mnasiadka: that's a good idea | 15:54 |
| egonzalez | mnasiadka can we make that per project? i have my own dashboards | 15:54 |
| mgoddard | https://github.com/openstack/gerrit-dash-creator | 15:55 |
| egonzalez | like: | 15:55 |
| egonzalez | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?title=Kolla+Review+Dashboard&foreach=is%3Aopen&Starred+by+PTL+or+me=project%3A^.*kolla.*+%28starredby%3Aegonzalez90+OR+is%3Astarred%29+AND+status%3Aopen&&High+Priority+Changes=project%3A^.*kolla.*+label%3AReview-Priority%3D2&Priority+Changes=project%3A^.*kolla.*+label%3AReview-Priority%3D1&&Stable+Branch=project%3A^.*kolla.*+branch%3A^stable%2F.*+limit%3A10&&Waiting+For+Second+Review= | 15:55 |
| egonzalez | project%3A^.*kolla.*+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D-1+NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3C%3D-2+label%3ACode-Review%3E%3D2+limit%3A20&&Waiting+For+Reviews=project%3A^.*kolla.*+limit%3A20&&Patches+that+mention+Kolla=NOT+project%3A^.*kolla.*+message%3Akolla+limit%3A20+limit%3A20 | 15:55 |
| mgoddard | there's an official kolla one in the dash creator, I think I use that | 15:55 |
| mnasiadka | egonzalez: yup, there is a gerrit dashboard creator repo with python scripts attached, we should have it there | 15:55 |
| egonzalez | hrm, been working with the url until figured out how to make it godo | 15:56 |
| hrw | egonzalez: nice one | 15:56 |
| egonzalez | good | 15:56 |
| egonzalez | sounds good then | 15:56 |
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| mgoddard | before we finish, I saw earlier py3 will be dropped until Stein? | 15:57 |
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| mgoddard | s/Stein/Train/ | 15:57 |
| hrw | mgoddard: yep. Stein froze | 15:58 |
| mgoddard | I'm a bit concerned that we have half py3 in ubuntu | 15:58 |
| egonzalez | not every distro is ready yet and many services doesnt work neiher with it | 15:58 |
| mgoddard | are we sure it's currently using py2? | 15:59 |
| hrw | mgoddard: it uses both | 15:59 |
| mgoddard | so we have some images using py3? | 15:59 |
| hrw | yes | 15:59 |
| hrw | UCA Stein is mix | 15:59 |
| egonzalez | both yes, non API might be py3 but we're not aware | 15:59 |
| egonzalez | we noticed APIs because builds failed due deps | 15:59 |
| mgoddard | will this affect the image size having both installed? | 16:00 |
| hrw | mgoddard: nothing we can do - openstack-base grabs both versions | 16:00 |
| egonzalez | maybe we better install in base image, to not install each time a depent package needs | 16:00 |
| hrw | from what I rmember | 16:00 |
| mgoddard | I suppose what I'm saying is, can we even decide to drop py3 support for ubuntu binary? We just use whatever we're given - py2 or py3 | 16:01 |
| mgoddard | for source images we can stick to py2 | 16:01 |
| mgoddard | I think we are over time | 16:01 |
| egonzalez | we cant | 16:01 |
| egonzalez | some packages removed support to py2 | 16:01 |
| egonzalez | yep, lets end the meeting | 16:01 |
| mgoddard | so at this point we can't just drop py3 support | 16:01 |
| mgoddard | ok thanks everyone | 16:02 |
| mgoddard | and thanks for chairing egonzalez | 16:02 |
| egonzalez | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 20 16:02:19 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-03-20-15.00.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-03-20-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-03-20-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
| egonzalez | thanks you for comming | 16:02 |
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