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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 23 14:00:30 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | yeii quick quorum. I guess everyone has recovered well | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | yep | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| rosmaita | brb ... coffee emergency | 14:02 |
| davee_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Glance-Train-PTG-planning L199 onwards | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | while I figure out how I can get the priorities patch formatted decently | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: smcginnis can I get your acks on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/659531/ | 14:04 |
| smcginnis | Looking now | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, looking | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | if it looks fine lets get it merged so we get the housekeeping done and dusted | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | that is all from me for now | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | #topic release updates | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:06 | |
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| abhishekk | We are two weeks away from T1 milestone release | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | Need reviews on specs, spec-lites and patches | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | Almost 80 % work is done | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | I want to move cinder and nova support of multiple stores to T2 as specs are not approved yet | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | Kindly let me know your opinion on the same | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | For cinder, code is ready, tested but unit tests are remaining, for nova I am working on code | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | They will happen when they will happen ... that work really is tracked in those projects | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | Seems reasonable to me. | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | Obviously sooner they re ready to land, the more chances we have for them to actually merge | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | So if all of you agree, I will move them to T2 in the etherpad | 14:09 |
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| rosmaita | ok by me | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | Regarding periodic jobs, no failure since PTG (or from one week before PTG) | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | \o/ | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, kindly help me in getting cinder specs merged :D | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | \\o \o/ o// o/7 | 14:10 |
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| rosmaita | abhishekk: i need to update your multistore spec | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, ack | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | taking into account that glance-cinder-backend thing you mentioned | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | i have an idea, need to take another look at the code | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | cool, let me know | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | will try to get that done today | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | thank you | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | That's it from me | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | kk | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | #topic changes in constrains | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "changes in constrains (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:12 | |
| rosmaita | yeah, basically what that email says | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | they're changing how u-c is handled slightly | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | move out of install_command and also change the url | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | details are in the email | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | yeah, seems like nothing that needs too much attention. Lets review them swiftly when we see the patches coming in | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | also, i learned recently that a lot of stuff in test-requirements.txt is not handled in upper constraints | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | so taht's why we get weird breakage in the stable branches occasionally | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | i may put up a patch to pin the test-requirements to a known working version | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | because we are expected to manage those ourselves | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | i will have a more coherent proposal next week | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | that's all from me | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | ohh ... I did not realize the the test-requirements are not under global sync anymore | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | sounds good | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | no, it's on purpose, too -- there's a blacklist of stuff that is intentionally not included in u-c | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | #topic sheepdog store | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sheepdog store (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:16 | |
| jokke_ | Looks like this is unmaintained and not currently working? | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | there's a link on the commit message of sean's patch | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | to the sheepdog ML | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | yes, not maintained, and no plans to maintain | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, upstream looks like they've shut down. | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | cinder is removing the sheepdog driver | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | so we should also do so for glance_store | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | Current code does not work on bionic. | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | ok, well that is quite simple then, kill the gate and lets hit the deprecation button | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | i wonder if we can speed up deprecation on an unsupported store? | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | It really already is in an unusable state. | 14:19 |
| smcginnis | Would have been good to have some heads up though. | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | since it's glance_store and not glance, maybe we can remove in Train? | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | Well they are keeping the repo alive for those who have it in production, I dunno if anyone is running it in prod for glance, but I'd rather not just remove it. It not working in ubuntu is really not a reason to just remove without deprecation | 14:20 |
| smcginnis | At a bare minimum, I would say we would need a strongly worded release note to make sure it's very visible if we did. | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | well, glance_store is not under assert:follows-standard-deprecation | 14:21 |
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| rosmaita | i would be good with announcing deprecation next week on the ML with intention to remove in Train, and see if anyone screams | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | Well there is no weight to it. Deprecate, strongly worded release note that if anyone is using it they need to maintain their own fork and removal in U | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | right | 14:22 |
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| abhishekk | so if we decide to remove then we need to remove it before 1.0.0 release | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | I'll write mail today to announce the deprecation and giving heads up to anyone possibly using it | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | who knows, may prompt someone to adopt the sheepdog project | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | yeap | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | but it sounded like from that thread that ceph is being used instead | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | I doubt so 'though | 14:25 |
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| rosmaita | ok, that's all from me about sheepdog | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | k | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | #topic glance-replicator | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "glance-replicator (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:27 | |
| rosmaita | i think we missed this one in the v1 removal | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | replicator uses v1 exclusively | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | yes | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | we did | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | also, it doesn't use glanceclient, i think it was written at teh same time the client was being developed | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | Still needed/wanted, right? | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | that was my question | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | so do we want to move it to v2? | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | I'd say not | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | it's now 2 cycles, right? | 14:29 |
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| abhishekk | Until that mail, I was not sure anyone was using replicator | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, yes | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | I think the best thing to do is remove it and design it ground up if it's still wanted | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | I honestly hope/think that with multi-store and taskflow + the imrovements we have in pipeline, It's likely even less needed | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | i agree | 14:30 |
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| smcginnis | So treat it as implicitly deprecated and just remove it? | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | So you want me to respond to that mail as well and be mean telling tht it's not going to be refactored? | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | well, the problem is that there's a big lag between what operators are using and our releases | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | i wonder whether it's still being used in production envs and they haven't caught on yet that it doesn't work since rocky | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: as it has had no chance of working for 2 cycles and no-one even noticed it by now, I'd treat it as part of v1 and just cleanup taken long | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: well, the reality is that we won't be backporting the refactoring anyways | 14:33 |
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| rosmaita | yeah, but as a standalone script, that's not a big deal | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | so it either gets redone T+ or just not existing since v1 | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | I'm more than happy to accept spec if someone wants to redo it | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | well, i guess the thing is announce its removal on the ML and see if there's any negative response | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | but I don't want to plan it in to our workload | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | without someone explicitely stating they need it and are willing to do the work | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | works for me | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | Any other opinions? | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | works for me as well | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | is there anyone here now who feels strong need for it and wants to do the work? | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | not me | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | not me | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | #action jokke to write mails of sheepdog deprecation & removal and replicator removal (as part of V1 API) | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | #topic open discussion | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:38 | |
| jokke_ | Anything else? | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | Reviews please | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | yes! | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | I will try to focus tomorrow reviewing everything we have pending for M1 | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | and specs | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | cool, thank you | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | store work is almost done, unless I get some review comments | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | nice | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | only one patch is pending, to remove deprecated options | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | ok, if that's all we can get some time back | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | calling once | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | nothing from me | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | we have new attendee today, davee_ welcome | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | twice | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | welcome davee_ | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | hang on | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | as long as we have a few minutes | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | sure | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | question about the "permission-to-delete" spec | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | eric put a comment that maybe we want to do this for more than just the cinder_encryption_key_id property | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | what do people think? | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/656895/ | 14:45 |
| davee_ | greetings, had an emergency caffeine requirement | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | looking at the spec, the name of the new property is general | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | (though i am pretty sure jokke_ hates it) | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | delete_encryption_key_on_image_deletion | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | so we could do cinder-only for now, and amend the spec if the other team gets their stuff together in Train | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | or exend the functionality in U if requested | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | how does that sound? | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | sounds good to me | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | Well the discussion/agreement on the forum/PTG was that we will do it only for this cinder special case as it's already implemented, released and not part of the work done cross project | 14:47 |
| davee_ | +1 | 14:47 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_: ok, just wanted to make sure it was easily extensible later | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | We can start bikeshedding for few cycles and postpone the implementation or we can get this done like planned ;) | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | tbh, i forgot what the metadata was called | 14:48 |
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| abhishekk | :D, I am tending towards or option | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | It was literally like "os_delete_cinder_exncryption_key" | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | -x | 14:49 |
| abhishekk | yeah | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | It is very very specific for this one cinder usercase | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's what i wanted to know | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | ok | 14:52 |
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| jokke_ | you think there is going to be fight about that? | 14:52 |
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| rosmaita | about ... ? | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | about it being cinder feature specific? | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | probably not, no one reads glance-specs! | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | :D | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | tru tru | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | ok, anything else? | 14:53 |
| davee_ | maybe a noob nerd | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | so I forgot davee_ wants to start contributing to glance | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | davee_: if you read/participate on the spec reviews you don't need to read the published specs anymore :D | 14:54 |
| davee_ | already signed the CLA | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | Nice! Welcome indeed | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | \o/ | 14:55 |
| davee_ | been monitoring the relevant IRC channels fo glance/cinder | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | Welcome! | 14:55 |
| davee_ | thanks, and glad to be here | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | davee_: my only advice is don't leave +1s without comments on reviews! | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | davee_, hopefully we will find something for you :D | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | davee_: don't be afraid to ask questions | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | we all know that the curve is pretty steep | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | and we all have been there | 14:56 |
| davee_ | now I just need to figure out where the documention is located and related supporting materials | 14:56 |
| davee_ | like all of the related etherpads | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | ok, time | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | thank you all | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | bye! | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 23 15:00:11 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-05-23-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-05-23-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-05-23-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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