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| evrardjp | o/ | 15:00 |
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| mattmceuen | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 18 15:00:21 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattmceuen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 15:00 |
| howell | o/ | 15:00 |
| georgk | hi | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Rollcall | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| mattmceuen | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osh-meeting-2019-06-18 | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | Hey everybody - here is our agenda ^ | 15:00 |
| rha | hi | 15:00 |
| itxaka | o/ | 15:00 |
| rihbb | hi | 15:00 |
| mattmceuen | we'll give it a minute before getting started | 15:01 |
| mattmceuen | Please add anything you'd like to discuss today to the agenda | 15:01 |
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| cheng1 | o/ | 15:02 |
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| mattmceuen | Alright -- let's get started | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Meeting Time Voting | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting Time Voting (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:03 | |
| mattmceuen | I sent out an email on this just a bit ago | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | Slightly overdue, thanks for your patience :) | 15:03 |
| mattmceuen | portdirect and I sent out an etherpad with options and instructions | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | instructions are in the etherpad and the email, so need to dig up the email: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osh-meeting-vote-2019 | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | I'm asking anyone (who cares) to please vote thusly: | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | Pick your top five preferred Meeting Time + Meeting Approach combinations, and fill in one of the templates | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | I think it's self-explanatory, but please let me know if there are any questions | 15:06 |
| mattmceuen | We'll run this voting till EOD next Tuesday, so we get one more shot at reminding folks next team meeting | 15:06 |
| mattmceuen | Any questions? | 15:06 |
| * portdirect slides in through the back door, trips over a chair, looks around then slides awkwardly into a seat. | 15:07 | |
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| mattmceuen | o/ portdirect :D | 15:07 |
| mattmceuen | alright - moving on! | 15:07 |
| * evrardjp notices portdirect has dropped the archeological vase everyone was watching at the center of the room | 15:08 | |
| * portdirect slides lower in his chair | 15:08 | |
| mattmceuen | #topic openstack-helm-images release tagging/naming/tracking? | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "openstack-helm-images release tagging/naming/tracking? (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:08 | |
| itxaka | thats me | 15:08 |
| * mattmceuen is glad portdirect got released briefly from the mines! | 15:08 | |
| mattmceuen | take it away itxaka | 15:09 |
| itxaka | wondering how we should track releases under the openstack-helm-images repo as we do on the openstack-helm repo | 15:09 |
| itxaka | we been having some issues with this lately, openvswitch for example | 15:09 |
| itxaka | tempest is also not synced with any release and its hardcoded | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | what do you mean by "having issues" ? | 15:09 |
| evrardjp | tempest need some love | 15:09 |
| itxaka | someone was complaining on irc about having an X version of openvswitch which was not compatible with something | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | Is freezing images with a date good enough? | 15:10 |
| itxaka | doesnt seem like we have the capability to have distinct images pinned to versions | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | itxaka: yes, we discussed this last week I think | 15:10 |
| itxaka | ahh did I miss it? | 15:10 |
| itxaka | yes, I miss it then | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | but yeah, we don't "release" | 15:10 |
| evrardjp | we are currently doing just master | 15:11 |
| itxaka | yeah, tempest is terrible in this example becuase using master for it can backfire big time | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | I am not sure what's the proposal here | 15:11 |
| evrardjp | to understand* | 15:11 |
| itxaka | no proposal yet, just a heads up that its something that we migth want to tackle sooner than later | 15:12 |
| itxaka | especially with the upgrade gates incoming | 15:12 |
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| itxaka | we might start hitting issues with versions out of sync and no way of using a newer/older version from osh-images | 15:12 |
| itxaka | I did not have had time to investigate deeply enough to propose anything | 15:13 |
| mattmceuen | yeah, we discussed the openvswitch example specifically last week, but we should validate that our general approach fits what we need as well | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | so for me that raises two questions. | 15:13 |
| mbuil | itxaka: you mean the OS version or the openstack version? or both? | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | 1) should we branch the whole repo with openstack branches? Does that make sense? | 15:13 |
| itxaka | both should be including when discussing this IMO | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | Or do we branch with our OSH "releases" | 15:13 |
| itxaka | thats a great question | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | 2) If we do not branch, how do you intend to do this? | 15:14 |
| portdirect | we (I) need to formalize the response to this - as we have discussed at many ptgs | 15:14 |
| portdirect | we ideally do not want to branch - but this needs written up | 15:14 |
| evrardjp | yup I think we need to improve documentation there indeed. | 15:15 |
| itxaka | do we need to keep a matrix of openstack versions -> image versions then? | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | do we need to? | 15:15 |
| itxaka | as I missed any convo about this Im just hitting in the dark here on how its supposed to work | 15:15 |
| portdirect | itxaka - we should be able to get that from the tag/image-overrides? | 15:15 |
| evrardjp | because we have rolling "openstack" images, and the rest sounds fine to just roll forward | 15:15 |
| georgk | itxaka: honestly, rihbb and I wanted to bring up that exact question today again | 15:16 |
| itxaka | portdirect, how is someone supposed to know that deploying ubuntu-queens from osh needs the osh.image openvsiwthc 20180524 image? | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | ok so I think the action items are to clear that up then? | 15:16 |
| georgk | as part of the bionic image introduction | 15:16 |
| evrardjp | itxaka: I see what you mean | 15:17 |
| itxaka | there is no links between osh and osh-images versions written anywhere so it gets a bit confusing | 15:17 |
| georgk | +1 | 15:17 |
| mattmceuen | itxaka: the ubuntu-queens reference overrides would list out the recommended overrides, right? | 15:17 |
| mattmceuen | recommended *image overrides | 15:17 |
| itxaka | but for some images we only build "latest" no? | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | but at every point the "latest" should work, as long as its consistent | 15:18 |
| itxaka | will it? doesnt the openvswitch issue last week told us that it doesnt? or was that a different issue? | 15:19 |
| mattmceuen | latest of "everything" should probably work together, but to your point evrardjp, if we tag images w/ date (or something) that should be what we use in the reference overrides for particular override sets I would think | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: I think frozen images should be used for "stable" like branches, or for ensuring upgrades. This is why I said we should link that to OSH and start releasing OSH. | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | it's not an easy topic :) | 15:20 |
| itxaka | tbh, from my point of view, if we dont sync with openstack release names it gets unmaintainable pretty soon, even with date-freezed images | 15:20 |
| evrardjp | I didn't say we need to branch per openstack branch in that last comment. But having a "stable" branch | 15:20 |
| portdirect | i agree with evrardjp, on the need for frozen images | 15:20 |
| mattmceuen | So portdirect I think you were speaking to the famous "sugarcube spec" - should we include image freezing in that spec as a related point of discussion? | 15:21 |
| evrardjp | the tooling itself doesn't need to be branched though. | 15:21 |
| portdirect | i think i see the need for us to tie these things together using the example over-rides, eg: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm/blob/master/neutron/values_overrides/rocky-opensuse_15.yaml | 15:21 |
| portdirect | we should also do this for things like ovs | 15:21 |
| itxaka | agreed | 15:21 |
| portdirect | using the same name format - so that we can tie things simplty together | 15:22 |
| portdirect | which i suppose is the matrix itxaka proposed, just presented slightly differently? | 15:22 |
| itxaka | the operators know that they are using the correct stuff, and that it should work with other RELEASE_BRANCH components | 15:22 |
| portdirect | yup | 15:22 |
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| itxaka | well, the matrix I was talking assumed that we would only have date-freezed images, which would be a nightmare to maintain | 15:23 |
| itxaka | if we had named frozen images, then its easy peasy | 15:23 |
| mattmceuen | is RELEASE_BRANCH in this context openstack, osh release, OS, or some combo? | 15:24 |
| itxaka | same as osh I think | 15:24 |
| evrardjp | itxaka: I think we should not talk generally in here | 15:24 |
| mattmceuen | I thought we were trying to avoid branching for openstack release and OS release, and only branch for osh major versions | 15:24 |
| evrardjp | the only problem I see is inconsistent for ovs for the bare ovs image and what's provided in neutron, correct? | 15:24 |
| georgk | evrardjp: yes, due to source build OVS image | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | in that case, can't we just have consistent images by making multiple ovs images (per openstack branch) | 15:25 |
| portdirect | ^ | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | georgk: I think there are multiple solutions to this problem | 15:25 |
| itxaka | and tempest | 15:25 |
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| evrardjp | I would rather tackle those separately | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | the tempest issue is different right? | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | Because if you would branch you would not gain anything with tempest, because tempest is supposed to be following master anyway | 15:26 |
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| evrardjp | isn't it? | 15:26 |
| itxaka | so one thing is the problem that we have currently, but this is something that can hit us later with all the other osh-images .... images | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | can we do a summary of what is decided? | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | I am confused now :p | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | should that be a spec? | 15:28 |
| mattmceuen | ++ | 15:28 |
| evrardjp | docs? | 15:28 |
| portdirect | i think a spec would be great here | 15:28 |
| evrardjp | I propose we document what we do, why we do, and the limitations, and if necessary, a spec for changes? | 15:28 |
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| itxaka | agreed | 15:28 |
| evrardjp | ok | 15:28 |
| itxaka | sounds like a better way | 15:28 |
| mattmceuen | We need a spec to outline when OSH is branched, how OSH deals with multiple openstack releases and operating systems, and how image building / tagging / branching dovetails into that | 15:29 |
| itxaka | of discussing this and also getting some backstory on it for those of us that do not have it | 15:29 |
| portdirect | could we start that in a spec - I think that that would be the best way to fully articulate it | 15:29 |
| itxaka | agreed | 15:29 |
| portdirect | I could take that on - as its been on my action item list for far to long | 15:29 |
| itxaka | +1 | 15:30 |
| mattmceuen | that would be awesome portdirect, ty | 15:30 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: I am still waiting for the CI and/or the versioning/releasing of helm charts, don't you want me to draft something? | 15:30 |
| portdirect | I have get a stab at it evrardjp | 15:30 |
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| evrardjp | ok I will let that to you then :) | 15:31 |
| portdirect | though once its up - i think it would be gret to get multiple people on the ps | 15:31 |
| portdirect | :) | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | fine for me. I just don't want to you burn out due to the amount fo work :) | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | long story short: you have our support, dear leader! | 15:31 |
| mattmceuen | +1 | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | If you need any help dusting off ancient PTG discussions you know where to find me portdirect :D | 15:32 |
| mattmceuen | I'd even buy you new sugarcubes | 15:32 |
| portdirect | lol - I'll take the dear part - though the only leader thing about me is in the title PTL - I'm an admin bod | 15:32 |
| portdirect | mattmceuen: :D | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: hahah | 15:33 |
| mattmceuen | Alright, anything else to discuss on this before we defer the conversation to the spec? | 15:33 |
| mattmceuen | In that case, moving on: | 15:34 |
| portdirect | evrardjp: for context, the 1st versioning conversation re osh used many sugarcubes in dublin to work though | 15:34 |
| mattmceuen | The spec needs sugarcube ascii art or I won't approve it | 15:34 |
| evrardjp | I heard about that, but I wasn't there. It just regularily comes back, it's a nice running joke :) | 15:34 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Idee of a new SIG interesting for OSH members | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | "Today we'll learn about releasing with the _latest_ sugarcubes. Amazing!" | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Idee of a new SIG interesting for OSH members (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:35 | |
| mattmceuen | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/containers-sig | 15:35 |
| mattmceuen | evrardjp want to walk us through this? I haven't had a chance to take a look | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | yeah. That might interest you. | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | oh you expect more text? | 15:35 |
| evrardjp | I am eating a waffle! | 15:35 |
| itxaka | lmao | 15:35 |
| mattmceuen | well I wanted a description, but now I really just want a waffle | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | haha | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | I understand | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | so | 15:36 |
| mattmceuen | no the text in the etherpad looks good :) | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | well, there were discussions in the past about how to work with different container image building projects. Let's say we didn't document the failures or the agreements. | 15:36 |
| evrardjp | I think in the past there has been a need and a willingness to work together. | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | I am just adding a scope here, and trying to group ppl together | 15:37 |
| evrardjp | osh is technically independant of images, but it still builds some, and consumes some | 15:37 |
| portdirect | I think this is a great initiative to get moving | 15:37 |
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| evrardjp | have a look at the etherpad, and add your name if you want to participate, actively or passively | 15:38 |
| evrardjp | that would be nice to have some kind of support. | 15:38 |
| portdirect | I'd really like us to not be in the image building process (or at least have as small a surface area as possible) and this looks like a great step in that direction. | 15:38 |
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| mattmceuen | thanks for getting traction on this evrardjp | 15:38 |
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| portdirect | and having a common set of guidlines that Kolla/OSH/TrippleO(/OSA?) can use woudl really help | 15:39 |
| portdirect | along with projects guiding the packaging requirements they have | 15:39 |
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| evrardjp | OSA is not really part of the scope, as they are using machine containers, but the first action item of collaboration benefits them too | 15:39 |
| evrardjp | so yeah it touches things broadly | 15:40 |
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| portdirect | yeah - and the healthchecks! | 15:40 |
| mattmceuen | hooray for healthchecks | 15:40 |
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| portdirect | adam did some great work in that space - it would be good to see it 'taken home' | 15:40 |
| evrardjp | that would be a collaboration with self-healing I guess | 15:40 |
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| evrardjp | yeah | 15:40 |
| portdirect | yeah | 15:40 |
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| mattmceuen | evrardjp will you send out next steps on the ML, or ? | 15:41 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: correct. One will the mailing lists, two will be the patchset for governance-sigs which I already have opened. | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | I am continuing on that lever | 15:42 |
| evrardjp | level* | 15:42 |
| mattmceuen | excellent | 15:42 |
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| mattmceuen | Any other questions / thoughts on the SIG, team? | 15:42 |
| mattmceuen | Thanks evrardjp -- moving on: | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | #topic Roundtable | 15:44 |
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| mattmceuen | We have some patchsets needing review - and a handful at the top have been waiting for a while: | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/660572/ --> Rafactoring volume mount variables in db sync job | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662992/ --> htk: provide default domain env and secrets | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662993/ --> keystone: default domain fix | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/665102/ --> Add bionic based build jobs to Zuul build configuraton | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/665310/ --> ubuntu bionic based ovs image | 15:44 |
| mattmceuen | Would be great to get some eyes on all of them | 15:45 |
| mattmceuen | Any other patches we'd like to request extra review on? Or other Roundtable topics? | 15:45 |
| georgk | for the bionic images, we'd like to get input in terms of which OpenStack version we should go for | 15:46 |
| georgk | it ties into the discusion we just had | 15:46 |
| georgk | so, comments are welcome | 15:46 |
| georgk | on the patchset | 15:46 |
| portdirect | georgk: why move away from source build here? | 15:47 |
| portdirect | i get move from debian, though it does make it very hard to target a particular version of ovs | 15:47 |
| georgk | we'd like to move away from building OVS from source | 15:47 |
| portdirect | why? | 15:48 |
| georgk | ah, ok | 15:48 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: but it makes things very consistent to use packages in ovs and neutron image for example | 15:48 |
| georgk | mainly because of incosistencies between the OVS version in the nova and neutron images and the OVS image itself | 15:48 |
| evrardjp | as long as its from the same source, they should work together well :) | 15:48 |
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| georgk | currently, nova and neutron ship with the xenial version of 2.5 which is older than the 2.8 source build | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | also, why maintaining things where someone does it for you? :D | 15:49 |
| georgk | we were wondering last week: was there a technical reason to go for a 2.8 source build? | 15:49 |
| evrardjp | (disclaimer: I work for a distro, but that's not only because that reasoning pays my bills that I have it, it makes genuinely sense to me) | 15:50 |
| portdirect | there were some bugs in 2.5 that effected operation | 15:50 |
| portdirect | i dont have the details to hand, but can dig them out | 15:50 |
| evrardjp | that's valuable input | 15:50 |
| georgk | ok, we noticed however that 2.5 in neutron-ovs-agent does not work with 2.8 and DPDK | 15:50 |
| georgk | so, we wanted to move to a common consistent version | 15:51 |
| georgk | hence the upgrade to bionic to get off of 2.5 | 15:51 |
| portdirect | ok - lets look to fix that | 15:51 |
| portdirect | are you using the clients to perform operations, or native? | 15:51 |
| georgk | well, we havent really touched any config on that part | 15:51 |
| georgk | the default I'd say :) | 15:52 |
| portdirect | georgk: I'd look into ovsdb_interface, and check that its set to 'native' | 15:55 |
| portdirect | if so then much of the versioning issues should come down to the python lib used to talk to the ovsdb | 15:56 |
| georgk | ok, I'll check that and come back to you | 15:56 |
| mattmceuen | 3min left - any additional topics today? | 15:57 |
| georgk | still, it would be great to use a newer version of OVS with DODK support | 15:57 |
| portdirect | agreed! | 15:57 |
| mattmceuen | Alright folks, that's a wrap - thanks for joining today & have a great week | 15:59 |
| mattmceuen | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 18 15:59:14 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-06-18-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-06-18-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-06-18-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| georgk | ok, thank you! have a nice day | 15:59 |
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