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| portdirect | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 27 15:00:14 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is portdirect. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| portdirect | o/ | 15:00 |
| portdirect | lets give it a few mins for people to arrive | 15:00 |
| portdirect | agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-helm-meeting-2019-08-27 | 15:00 |
| portdirect | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| srwilkers | o/ | 15:01 |
| georgk | \o | 15:01 |
| howell | o/ | 15:01 |
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| itxaka | \o/ | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:01 |
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| Steven-280x | o7 | 15:01 |
| itxaka | \o/ | 15:02 |
| itxaka | | | 15:02 |
| itxaka | \ | 15:02 |
| itxaka | buu | 15:02 |
| lamt | o/ | 15:02 |
| itxaka | didnt work, I forgot to escape it | 15:02 |
| portdirect | itxaka: that looks painful, i hope you are ok | 15:03 |
| mbuil | o/ | 15:03 |
| portdirect | ok - lets go | 15:03 |
| portdirect | #topic - time | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "- time (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:04 | |
| portdirect | hey, just thought i should communicate this - partly as im so excited about it | 15:04 |
| mattmceuen | o/ | 15:04 |
| portdirect | ive recently changed roles within my employer | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | oh? | 15:05 |
| itxaka | :o | 15:05 |
| evrardjp | that's for open discussion? | 15:05 |
| itxaka | lmao | 15:05 |
| portdirect | and so should now be able to devote an approprite amount of time moving forward | 15:05 |
| mattmceuen | portdirect unleashed and unshackled!! | 15:06 |
| itxaka | ok, so topi is worng, I read it as "minus time" | 15:06 |
| portdirect | i really need to thank both mattmceuen and srwilkers so much for helping cover my absence over the last few weeks | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | mattmceuen: haha | 15:06 |
| itxaka | like less time | 15:06 |
| evrardjp | weren't you already full time portdirect? | 15:06 |
| portdirect | yes - but the flux capactitor was broken | 15:06 |
| srwilkers | no problem :) | 15:06 |
| srwilkers | he's now able to hit 88 miles per hour | 15:07 |
| itxaka | great scott! | 15:07 |
| Steven-280x | wear a helmet | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: itxaka hahaha | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | portdirect: I see | 15:07 |
| portdirect | anyway - lets move on | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | good news, congrats I guess? :) | 15:07 |
| portdirect | #topic value overrides for gates | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "value overrides for gates (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:07 | |
| portdirect | georgk: i think this is you (and also a great topic) | 15:08 |
| georgk | thanks | 15:08 |
| georgk | primarily just a questions as i ran into this as part of a review on my dpdk patches | 15:08 |
| georgk | when checking the gate scripts, they don't use the values_overrides functionality yet | 15:09 |
| georgk | I didn't find a good example at least | 15:09 |
| georgk | so, shall we extract the gate-specific overrides? | 15:09 |
| georgk | and if so, how to model this | 15:10 |
| portdirect | its hard, wile we are transitioning for sure | 15:10 |
| portdirect | i think neutron and keystone between them offer some good examples here | 15:10 |
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| itxaka | yeah keystone uses a feature_gate for ldap I think | 15:11 |
| portdirect | in particular the keystone ldap job, where we make use of the 'feature gate' functionaility: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm/blob/master/zuul.d/jobs-openstack-helm.yaml#L55-L74 | 15:11 |
| georgk | yes, I saw that | 15:11 |
| portdirect | and neutron, where we have release specific over-rides | 15:12 |
| georgk | but I wasn't feeling good about modeling a gate configuration as a feature | 15:12 |
| itxaka | and I sent one patch today for testing the resource which also uses that: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/678578/ | 15:12 |
| georgk | like, running non-ha in a gate | 15:12 |
| georgk | is that a feature gate? | 15:12 |
| portdirect | i think it should be | 15:12 |
| itxaka | either a feature or a bug, your choice :p | 15:12 |
| georgk | :-) | 15:12 |
| portdirect | yeah - 'feature' doesn't always mean good :) | 15:13 |
| georgk | so, looking at this https://review.opendev.org/#/c/643284/33/neutron/values_overrides/dpdk-rocky-ubuntu_bionic.yaml | 15:13 |
| georgk | I could split this into a gate.yaml and a dpdk.yaml as corresponding overrides | 15:14 |
| portdirect | i think this is a good ref for where the term comes from: https://kubernetes.io/docs/reference/command-line-tools-reference/feature-gates/ | 15:14 |
| portdirect | georgk: that would be great! | 15:14 |
| georgk | ok, if there is agreement, fine with me | 15:15 |
| itxaka | +1 | 15:15 |
| georgk | I can give it a try, but I'll go on vacation soon, so rihabb will probably take over (just FYI) | 15:15 |
| portdirect | georgk: would you mind if I take a poke at the ps sometime this week? | 15:15 |
| georgk | please poke it | 15:16 |
| georgk | carefully... | 15:16 |
| georgk | ;-) | 15:16 |
| portdirect | will do :D | 15:17 |
| * portdirect looks at: | 15:17 | |
| * portdirect https://www.amazon.com/M-Z-Livestock-Electric-Cattle-Batteries/dp/B07GRKK6GP/ref=asc_df_B07GRKK6GP/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=343257889873&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8404574012282221268&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9022859&hvtargid=aud-801381245258:pla-750808049640&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=68270154919&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=343257889873&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvr | 15:17 | |
| * portdirect and=8404574012282221268&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9022859&hvtargid=aud-801381245258:pla-750808049640 | 15:17 | |
| evrardjp | oh geez thanks | 15:17 |
| georgk | 100% SATISFACTION GUARANTEED | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | I totally needed that in my amazon history | 15:18 |
| srwilkers | oh, i think i can get that into the office | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | EASY TO CARRY -> 31" | 15:18 |
| srwilkers | gives me a way to get portdirect's attention when i need to | 15:18 |
| * portdirect regrets link | 15:18 | |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: I see | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: I thought it was more: https://www.amazon.com/Agrilabs-VetGun-Delivery-System/dp/B00L2G5RSG/ref=pd_sbs_328_1/144-3730140-0510016?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00L2G5RSG&pd_rd_r=dcdad721-2509-453a-858b-7223d52539ca&pd_rd_w=5ou42&pd_rd_wg=5Ed1M&pf_rd_p=43281256-7633-49c8-b909-7ffd7d8cb21e&pf_rd_r=P5SMGN01WZG0D51RG82N&psc=1&refRID=P5SMGN01WZG0D51RG82N | 15:18 |
| srwilkers | that's also acceptable | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | Only 7 left in stock, get yours soon! | 15:19 |
| portdirect | ok - sorry georgk | 15:19 |
| portdirect | untill we got distracted with office equipment, was this helpful? | 15:20 |
| georgk | :-) | 15:20 |
| georgk | yes, I got all the infos I was looking for | 15:20 |
| georgk | maybe too much actually... | 15:20 |
| portdirect | awesome, thanks dude | 15:21 |
| portdirect | #topic mariadb helm chart: Be closer to mariadb upstream helm chart? | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mariadb helm chart: Be closer to mariadb upstream helm chart? (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:21 | |
| portdirect | evrardjp: i think this is you? | 15:21 |
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| itxaka | oh my, why did you link those... | 15:22 |
| itxaka | now Im on a spiral of reading the comments in there | 15:22 |
| itxaka | and yeah, that has to be evrardjp! | 15:22 |
| itxaka | "does it work for cats and dogs?" oh my | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | haha | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | yeah it's me | 15:23 |
| evrardjp | Today a coworker just noticed that our maria helm chart could deserve some love to be image agnostic (due to presence of hardcoded paths) | 15:24 |
| evrardjp | As an action item, we'll make that more flexible with the current mechanism we have but... | 15:24 |
| evrardjp | The said image is very close to the upstream image on dockerhub, with the same kind of entrypoint etc. | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | so my question is the following: | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | Should we try again to be closer to upstream mariadb, so that we don't have to maintain it? | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | That could be either using the mariadb official helm chart (under beta!) or the mariadb operator | 15:25 |
| evrardjp | (under beta!) | 15:26 |
| portdirect | so the image is actually based on the upstream image, just with the python k8s client added: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-helm-images/blob/master/mariadb/Dockerfile.ubuntu_xenial#L12-L15 | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | is there someone evaluating those now that they have gained maturity? | 15:26 |
| portdirect | we'd need to review again | 15:26 |
| evrardjp | ok | 15:26 |
| portdirect | but last time we looked the chart in 'helm/charts' had a couple of differences | 15:26 |
| portdirect | its active/passive ratehr than active/active | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | here I say there are two sources to look for, but indeed the one in helm/charts is the most visible one | 15:27 |
| portdirect | which would make it more useful in some circumstances, and less in others | 15:27 |
| srwilkers | it's still set up that way portdirect | 15:27 |
| srwilkers | i just took a look | 15:27 |
| portdirect | it also had some resulanccy issues in that recovering from a 'hard' outage was very tricky | 15:28 |
| portdirect | *resiliency | 15:28 |
| portdirect | but this may well have changed? | 15:28 |
| itxaka | cant we send our changes to the upstream one? or are they reluctant to be accepted? | 15:28 |
| evrardjp | not sure, but was wondering if it was evaluated | 15:28 |
| itxaka | upstream = official chart | 15:29 |
| evrardjp | itxaka: I like this approach | 15:29 |
| evrardjp | I prefer not having to maintain stuff. :D | 15:29 |
| itxaka | exactly :D | 15:29 |
| portdirect | its cretainly worth a shot - shelling out tech debt is one of the goals we have | 15:29 |
| srwilkers | i think it's important to note though | 15:30 |
| portdirect | i also remember some security issues, and we'd need to evaluate the alignment of the values layouts | 15:30 |
| portdirect | s/values/config | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | that while we have a mariadb chart in openstack-helm-infra, i dont think it's the only option for an openstack-helm deployment | 15:30 |
| srwilkers | it's just the option we've provided for those looking for a solution that aligns closely with the chart design patterns we've followed | 15:31 |
| portdirect | this is very true | 15:31 |
| portdirect | its also woth noting the chart in helm/charts relies on logic built into the bitnami images | 15:33 |
| srwilkers | so while im not opposed to exploring the deltas, i think at this point it's important to keep in mind the tradeoffs from differing points of view | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: what's the alternative? Because I think the design patterns are not broad, so it might require some hard work. But I agree on the fact it's free for the user, which is what I like :) | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | srwilkers: it would be nice to list and document those | 15:33 |
| evrardjp | I mean things are done for a reason, yet it's not explicit, because it's not documented | 15:34 |
| evrardjp | then it is in the memory of a few, which might or might not be active in the project anymore | 15:34 |
| evrardjp | anyway, I have my answer, thanks for the info! | 15:35 |
| portdirect | ok - i think thats it for the agenda this week | 15:38 |
| portdirect | any other topics we should be aware of before moving into reviews? | 15:38 |
| portdirect | #topic reviews | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:40 | |
| portdirect | one of the services we have been sorely lacking is designate | 15:40 |
| portdirect | so its great to see a chart come in for it: | 15:40 |
| portdirect | https://review.opendev.org/469981 (Designate chart) | 15:40 |
| portdirect | one of the chalenges with this service has been gettign a backend that works well in k8s | 15:41 |
| portdirect | in a past life, i had to do this (not fun), and ended up with the same conclusion as the author has here | 15:41 |
| portdirect | in that powerdns seems to make the most sense as an initial backend to leverage: https://review.opendev.org/676142 (PowerDNS chart) | 15:42 |
| portdirect | (in turn using mysql) | 15:42 |
| alanmeadows | the layers run deepeth | 15:42 |
| portdirect | would be great to see these merged, and then neutron updated to be able to take advantage of them | 15:42 |
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| portdirect | also georgk's and cheng1 's ovs dpdk work is in the final straight - lets get it home | 15:44 |
| srwilkers | sounds good to me | 15:45 |
| georgk | +1 :) | 15:45 |
| portdirect | ok - if thats it lets give everyone 10 mins back | 15:47 |
| portdirect | thanks everyone, see you in #openstack-helm | 15:47 |
| portdirect | #endmeeting | 15:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 27 15:47:53 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-08-27-15.00.html | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-08-27-15.00.txt | 15:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2019/openstack_helm.2019-08-27-15.00.log.html | 15:47 |
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