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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glnce | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 5 14:01:17 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glnce)" | 14:01 | |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glnce' | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 5 14:01:22 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glnce/2019/glnce.2019-09-05-14.01.html | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glnce/2019/glnce.2019-09-05-14.01.txt | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glnce/2019/glnce.2019-09-05-14.01.log.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 5 14:01:26 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| jokke_ | As mentioned in agenda, abhishekk will be serving as PTL for U cycle. GZ!!! | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | \o/ | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | thank you :D | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | I'm not gonna disappear anywhere, just freeing up some time to give other things on my plate the fous they deserve | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | focus | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | that is good news | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | \o/ | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | i will be reducing my involvement, however, most likely to on-demand reviews | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | and change of PTL just is pure simply healthy every now and then :D | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | plus, abhishekk is ready to do it! | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, congratulations to you as well | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | ty | 14:05 |
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| abhishekk | I will make sure to get some timely reviews from both of you :P | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: nothing to celebrate about that for s but hopefully good for you | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | :D | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | and sorry for loads of typos ... new keyboard I haven't got used to yet | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | moving on | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | #topic release & periodic job updates | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release & periodic job updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:07 | |
| abhishekk | So M3 is just a week away | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-train-priority-patches | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | This is the etherpad where all the important patches are stacked up | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, will let us know about the priorities | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | Periodic jobs all gree in last week | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | that's it from me | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | so first of all, we have still bunch of specs unmerged that are on our list to be included this cycle https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/glance-specs+status:open | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | would really really like some acs on those | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | moving on | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | #topic Cinder encryption key delete | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder encryption key delete (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:11 | |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/671503/ | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | I'd really like to see this landing for m3 | 14:11 |
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| jokke_ | as usual I have no problem writing the reno for that | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | Code looks good to me, even tested it in local environment | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | ok, moving on | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | #topic cluster awareness | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cluster awareness (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:14 | |
| jokke_ | for us to work on the caching api we would need to get the cluster comms moving. | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | The spec is still sitting without reviews | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/664956/ | 14:15 |
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| jokke_ | we've been testing the patch stability extensively with abhishekk due to lots of early gate failures due to it, but they were pretty much all failing differently and all local testing seems stable | 14:16 |
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| jokke_ | so I'm more confident that the initial patch is ready to land and to be built on top of | 14:16 |
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| jokke_ | smcginnis & rosmaita: specially looking input from you guys on the spec and also Cyrils spec for the cache api ... as usual we want to make sure no-one has big concerns before merging those specs | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | Will try to take a look today. | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | greatly appreciated | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | #topic Image import configs | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Image import configs (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:19 | |
| jokke_ | So I thought this was easy issue to fix | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | uh oh | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | We decided to go with it's own config file due to the glance-api.conf being insanely bloated | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | well, the reality is that it's very very difficult to get oslo_config to load multiple config files with anything else than the config folder option | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | which absolutely blows everything if there is multiple config files with same keys in the folder | 14:21 |
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| jokke_ | like -scrubber.conf etc. | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | it works if you specifically pick which files you want, though? | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | nope | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | so that's the second problem | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | if you specify multiple --config-file options, it picks up the first and ignores the rest | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | oslo_config also has ways to find config files, but not dynamically load them | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | so we can't even ask oslo_config to pick up the glance-image-import-conf from "same or any logical location" where configs are loaded and parse it | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | not that this helps, but that seems like a bug ... have you talked to ben nemec? | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | I went to the lenghts of trying to add it to the config file list and reload the configs after but yet again it just gets thrown away and ignored | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | I have not yet | 14:25 |
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| jokke_ | it might be bug, but like you said it doesn't hep us atm. | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | so the short term thing for image import, is just include that stuff in glance-api.conf | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | We spent about a week with abhishekk banging our heads agains the wall to figure out all this on something I thought was quick and easy fix | 14:26 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | there are those two options, either we dumb all that to the already bloated -api.conf and call it good or we document how to properly use the --config-dir option and stick with that unless we figure out if we have other options | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | and that's why I wanted to bring this up | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | I prefer the later but what do you rest think? | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | i am against the config-dir | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | our etc/ is really bloated with files | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | for all the command line utilities | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:28 |
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| jokke_ | yes so that makes the devstack usecase more difficult | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | which is fundamentally broken already so I don't really care about that too much | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | i think we just move the stuff to glance-api.conf, using the same groups (which we know does work) and i can write an upgrade note | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | this will be easy | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | if we decide to stick with the single config file, I really want to start cleaning that bloat away | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | well, i am against the "bloat cleaning" because that's actually documentation | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | I'm fine with single config file, but then we really need to get rid of that boilerplate crap that osic pushed in there | 14:30 |
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| rosmaita | unless you want to maintain serious config docs | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | up to you | 14:31 |
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| abhishekk | (sorry, I am dropping, felling uneasy) | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | we have quite a lot of that in place and yes I'd rather have readable config files and decent documentation than neither | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: feel better! talk to you soon | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | take care abhishekk | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | please drop me mail in case urgency | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: well, think of the sample conf as a document, not a actual config file | 14:33 |
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| jokke_ | well that's not really the case ... it has loads of comments in the config file, which of about 50% (line wise, not character wise) is actually useful | 14:34 |
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| jokke_ | like my point is, our glance-api.conf is ~6000 lines | 14:35 |
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| rosmaita | but so what? you don't have to actually use that one if you don't want to ... look at the devstack glance-api.conf | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | it's like 20 lines | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | but it's useless unless you already know what the options mean | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | anyway, we are getting off track | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | are you going to put up a patch to remove the image import conf ? | 14:36 |
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| jokke_ | that is one option unless I find other sensible way to do it | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | ok, there is some time | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | it's def a bugfix, not a feature | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | yeah, that's literally like last option I want to do | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | but I keep poking it | 14:39 |
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| jokke_ | lets move on | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | sounds good | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | #topic python 3 testing community goal | 14:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python 3 testing community goal (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:39 | |
| rosmaita | not much other than what's on the agenda | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | need an approval on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/664475/13 | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/664475/13 | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | the other patch is | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/664477/ | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | yeah | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | i don't know if my concern is valid | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | so the classifier question is two folded | 14:42 |
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| jokke_ | we have defined already that we do not expect the ssl to work and we do expect people using other methods to terminate ssl before the service | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | I think the best thing to do would be to remove the ssl support all together and call it good | 14:43 |
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| rosmaita | that makes a lot of sense | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | but I do share your concern | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | do we want to classify the py3 fully supported before we have removed the ssl? | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | that's a much harder question | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | i really don't know | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | I'm fine with either way, but perhaps worth of addressing wider community with that as form of ML thread | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | ? | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | yeah, that's a good idea | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | #action jokke writes a ML thread about Glance SSL and py3 classifier | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | excellent | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | #topic the md5 situation | 14:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "the md5 situation (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:46 | |
| jokke_ | this was from you as well | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | yeah, here's the deal | 14:46 |
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| rosmaita | i think this is a client problem first | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | md5 is considered insecure | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | Are you talking about the client cache file naming or our actual data checksums> | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | first, just the client not crashing | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | what i mean is, some systems don't include md5 at all | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | so if you're running glanceclient, i think you can run into nonrecoverable errors | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | we check for os_hash* first, and use if it's there | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | but we have the fallback | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | so you're talking about the payload checksums now? | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | i don't think that terminates gracefully if md5 can't be found | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | yeah, sorry, the download | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | i don't think we compute on the upload? | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | most likely not. We did not implement any fallback for the fallback | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | yeah, that was my recollection, i wrote that code, just assumed that md5 would be there | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | as the multi-hash is fairly recent addition and we wanted to address the security cocern of the hashes in the way we don't break upgrades | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | concern | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | i guess the other thing is i don't remember when the md5 thing gets created | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | because that's were the failure will occur | 14:51 |
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| rosmaita | but i guess this is a bug (if it actually is a problem), so doesn't have to be fixed before next week | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | I can't remember if we dropped it to be done if the os_hash is done or if we ended up populating both | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i need to look at the code | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | but it will also be a problem for glance itself at some point | 14:52 |
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| jokke_ | So any action on payload hashing will not remove the client depending on md5 | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | as we use md5 hashes on the client cache file naming | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | crap | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | So we do have dependency to md5 for foreeeable future | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | foreseeable | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | the problem is that RHEL carries a patch or two that allow md5 as long as you use an flag indicating this is not a security implication | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | but i don't think upstream python/linux likes it | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | and the later thing has nothing to do with security measures | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | looks like the preferred solution is just to remove md5 completely | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | so even though it's an OK use security-wise, we won't be able to do it | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | anyway, i don't think we need to worry for Train | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | no too late for that tbh | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | just need some kind of plan for Unicorn | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | one thing we could do is change the fine naming _if_ .glanceclient is not present | 14:57 |
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| jokke_ | so any new environment would not cause issue for us dropping it in the future | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | there is not unicorn release ... lets not go there ... mailing list has lovely thread about that whole mess | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | ok, i just wanted to surface it as something for Abhishek to worry about! | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | yeah ... lets see if we can squeeze in that naming change before we need to release final client, if not it will be U issue | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | but no need to worry about the download as we depend on the md5 way before we hit any of the download code | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | ok | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | and we're out of time | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | bye! | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 5 15:00:51 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-09-05-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-09-05-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-09-05-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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