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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 19 14:07:09 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:07 |
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| abhishekk | o/ | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | sorry for late start | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:07 |
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| jokke_ | we have empty schedule so lets get started and see how much stuff wil come up | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | #topic release updates | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:08 | |
| jokke_ | glance 19.0.0b1 was tageed this week | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | tagged even | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | that was our milestone release for T3 to promote people testing specially the caching changes | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | is it? | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | hopefully someone finds it helpful | 14:09 |
| abhishekk | cool | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: yup, it was released yesterday | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | have we tagged client as well? | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | so, client is yet needs to be released | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | I hope so ... my client release patch was abandoned so I assume someone felt more important taking care of it | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | I haven't seen any release patch for client | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | there is new 2.17.0 tag | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/675319/ | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | thierry has done it | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | so I guess ttx looks after out release patches from now on | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, has proposed 2nd patch on it | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | we'll just assume ttx knows when and what to release :P | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | that should be all, apart from RC time approaching quickly | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | so we do need rc1 for rethinking FS and location compatibility patch | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | so reviews reviews reviews | 14:18 |
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| jokke_ | #topic Open Discussion | 14:19 |
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| belmoreira | any change for https://review.opendev.org/#/c/671707/ to be included in Train release? | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | belmoreira: i think it is fine, i just have not had time to actually test it | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | belmoreira: so that is good one to bring up. I have few questions about the approach/need | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: tell us more | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | should it be treated as bug?? | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | belmoreira: iirc we already delete all custom properties from the image when it gets deleted. | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | Yeah, why do we actually need this and why it's filed as bug? | 14:22 |
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| jokke_ | and is there something this does that the revised (which doesn't anymore delete the id from images table) purge doesn't address | 14:23 |
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| rosmaita | well, all the rows other than ID, like name, etc | 14:24 |
| belmoreira | in order to be completely compliant with GDPR we can't continue to have something that was deleted by a user | 14:24 |
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| belmoreira | and in image tables we continue to have important information allowing to track the user | 14:25 |
| belmoreira | also we can't purge this table because the problem of UUID reutilization | 14:25 |
| belmoreira | that's why we propose to obfuscate this information | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | 5cc9d999352c21d3f4b5c39d3ea9d4378ca86544 modified purge in a way that it does not delete the ID from images table anymore | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | that's my point | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | and we did backport that as well | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | yes, but the owner is still in there | 14:28 |
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| abhishekk | so, still wonder why it is treated as bug :o | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | because purge doesn't purge? | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | only because it is related to ossn-0075? | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | but this is request for new feature because don't want to use purge | 14:33 |
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| abhishekk | +1 | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | i disagree -- the fix for ossn-0075 left some stuff around that it shouldn't have | 14:34 |
| belmoreira | no... obfuscate complements purge | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | so this change fixes that fix | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | i don't see what the big deal is about this | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | the operator wants to respect ossn-0075 | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | but also wants to purge the db | 14:35 |
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| rosmaita | but i think the key point here is that the patch was posted in july, so if this should be a feature, someone should have told belmoreira a bit sooner than this week | 14:35 |
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| jokke_ | rosmaita: and like I said that was addressed on the patch pointed out above. _IF_ purge leaves data behind that is considered as personal data under GDPR regulations, we should fix purge, not introduce yet another command to do th job purge was supposed to do | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | we should have reviewed it earlier :(, but due to lack of visibility or overload of work we missed it | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | belmoreira, sorry for that | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | what comes problematic about that is _if_ user id is considered such personal data that cannot be stored for audit purposes under those regulation once user deletes that resource, we would need to scrape all logfiles for that as well | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | well, i assume log files are purged at some point | 14:38 |
| belmoreira | jokke_ we do... | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | you need the userid in the logs to see who's doing stuff | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | so i don't think this is a slippery slope | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | but i think jokke_ has a good point that we should just put this into the 'purge' command | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | then it is definitely a bug fix and not a feature | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | that makes sense | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | and all it needs to touch if that is the owner uuid | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | so a "regular" purge will obfuscate the images table but not delete anything | 14:39 |
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| abhishekk | so no need of purge_images_table as well? | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: not from the images table, it will still clean the rest of the tables | 14:40 |
| belmoreira | in my opinion will be less confusing if we have it as a different action | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: that is still needed for those who don't care about the OSSN-0075 and wants to just wipe everything | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | right, we still have regular purge and dangerous purge | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | haha | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | but why not obfuscate all columns? | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | yeah, the point of splitting those two were that purge can be used for clienup while still making sure the uuid won't be reused | 14:42 |
| belmoreira | ops already rely in the purge feature (purging images or not) and changing that behaviour is always problematic | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | we can add flag to existing purge command to toggle for obfuscate or purge?? | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | belmoreira: well, it wouldn't really change, it will purge all tables except 'images' and will obfuscate all deleted rows in images table | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | i don't know if we need a flag, when you purge, your intention is to delete everything | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: that doesn't change anything about it being just yet another command to do the job | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | we have to keep the uuid around because of ossn-0075 | 14:43 |
| abhishekk | yep | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | so my question really is is there reason to keep the obfuscated data in the db? | 14:44 |
| belmoreira | but can we make sure that is the bahaviour that small/private clouds would like to have? | 14:44 |
| belmoreira | jokke_ ossn-0075 | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | which turns to a question, why don't you purge instead as that doesn't expose the security issue | 14:44 |
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| belmoreira | jokke_ now i'm lost | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | belmoreira: my point exactly. purge as of how it works atm. does not expose the system to OSSN-0075 | 14:45 |
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| rosmaita | yes, but it leaves the 'owner' (at least) in the images table in deleted rows taht are not removed | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | i am missing your point, i think | 14:46 |
| belmoreira | but leaves the "owner" i nthe images table | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | and my point is, is there any reason it should if it's a problem having it there? | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | as in is there any reason why purge shouldn't just remove the owner uuid from the record and we don't need obfuscate | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | ok, now i understand | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | you are arguing "no 'obfuscate' commmand" you are not arguing "no obfuscation" | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | philosophical difference | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | (the use/mention distinction) | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | yes, so I'm not expert by any means on GDPR, I do not know if storing uuid of the user is considered as personal information and we should worry in the first place. If it is, then we should just whack it out with purge which does not open ossn-0075 anymore | 14:50 |
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| rosmaita | i agree with jokke_ , though i would say let's just reset all the deleted rows to default values (except for the id) so we never have to worry again | 14:51 |
| belmoreira | as operator I prefer to run small/descriptive commands. In that case purge is not purge anymore | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | belmoreira: well, it effectively purges the images table | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | it purges everything _but_ the images table | 14:52 |
| abhishekk | we have 8 minutes left | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | yeah, that's what i meant by "effectively" -- it's a functional purge because the data is gone, but the rows are still there | 14:52 |
| belmoreira | this means that we remove the 2 level purge, right? | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | but, we should probably listen to the only operator in the room! :) | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | no, we'd still have to have the "dangerous" purge for people who really want to clean out the db and don't care about ossn-0075 | 14:53 |
| belmoreira | right | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | so the change erno is suggesting is that we just automatically do obfuscation as part of the "regular" purge process | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | then you don't need an extra command | 14:54 |
| belmoreira | I'm fine with that... | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | i think it is a cleaner solution | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | So outside of preference of usage. Lets talk about how we need to prioritize this. If we want to introduce obfuscation feature as it's proposed now, it's really not a bug, lets get lite spec for it and schedule it for U, if we just need to whack owner on current purge as it doesn't meet privacy requirements, I'm fine getting that in as bugfix and even backporting it as far as the OSSN-0075 | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | migitation patch was backported | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | i agree, on bugfix | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | so we can include that in rc1 | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | but i still wonder about the other values, i think just reset them to the defaults and then this will never come up again | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | what other values | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | checksum, visibility, etc | 14:56 |
| belmoreira | rosmaita +1 | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | just reset everything except the image id | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | fine by me as well | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | well none of them are personal information, so definitely not GDPR consideration. Which is what has been causing my confusion of this proposal in the first place | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | as it was based on GDPR issue, but it was touching stuff all over the place | 14:58 |
| abhishekk | last 2 minutes to agree on | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | i don't see the problem with just resetting it all | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | but that's just me | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | Note: are we going to host next meeting? | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | (and belmoreira and abhishekk) | 14:59 |
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| jokke_ | good point | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | No meeting next week | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | hey, this is not specifically related to belmoreira's patch, but jokke_ and abhishekk should look at this: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/671707/3/glance/db/sqlalchemy/api.py@1469 | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | kk | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | it is bound to bite us in the butt eventually | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | will be on #os-glance if there is still something, we're out of meeting time | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | bye | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 19 15:00:34 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-09-19-14.07.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-09-19-14.07.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-09-19-14.07.log.html | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | thank you all | 15:01 |
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