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| rosmaita | Courtesy reminder: Cinder meeting in #openstack-meeting-4 at 1400 UTC | 13:56 |
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| rosmaita | jungleboyj rosmaita smcginnis tosky whoami-rajat m5z e0ne geguileo eharney walshh_ jbernard lseki sfernand rajinir ^^ | 13:56 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 13:57 |
| lseki | o/ | 13:57 |
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| rosmaita | hello early birds ... meeting hasn't started yet! | 13:58 |
| enriquetaso | o/ | 13:59 |
| whoami-rajat | :D | 13:59 |
| tosky | o/ | 13:59 |
| rosmaita | #startmeeting cinder | 14:00 |
| LiangFang | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 4 14:00:18 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:00 | |
| eharney | hi | 14:00 |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 14:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | good turnout! | 14:01 |
| jungleboyj | Good morning. | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | (there were some high-fives before the meeting officially started) | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ussuri-meetings | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | pretty light agenda today | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | #topic updates | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:01 | |
| rosmaita | ok, first thing is that the final releases from rocky are out | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | there were some release tooling problems that smcginnis had to fix that delayed them a bit | 14:02 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you for getting those taken care of! | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | so rocky will be tagged as -em shortly | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | as a reminder, we can backport bugfixes, but there will be no more rocky releases | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | other news | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | you may have seen this on the ML (pretty sure I sent it out last week) | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | the second session of the virtual mid-cycle is scheduled | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | Monday 16 March 12:00-14:00 UTC | 14:04 |
| smcginnis | .o. | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ussuri-mid-cycle-planning | 14:04 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | ^^ for proposing topics | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | the feedback from last time was that we needed a few more reminders | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | so i'll send another to the ML early next week | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | and i guess, tell everyone you know about it! | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | another awareness item | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | there's been a update to the vulnerability:managed policy | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-February/012721.html | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | primary change is that the security embargo that keeps a security bug non-public will be lifted after 90 days | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | even if there's been no action | 14:06 |
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| rosmaita | just a reminder about working on a security bug | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | you may be able to see it if you're a member of cinder-core-sec, or filed it yourself, or were asked to look at it | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | when you submit a patch, you have to do it by attaching the patch to the bug in Launchpad | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | do *not* submit a gerrit review | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | (because those are public) | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | #topic update - community goals | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "update - community goals (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:08 | |
| rosmaita | goa1 #1 was removing py2 support | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | i got confirmation from gmann yesterday (he's driving the goal) that cinder has completed it | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | goal #2 is updating the contributor docs | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | i have that underway | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | what i've decided to do is to have a primary page in the cinder docs that cover the required stuff | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | and then link to it from all the other cinder projects | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | this is what i mean | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | here's the WIP patch for cinder: https://review.opendev.org/711006 | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | and here's the one for os-brick: https://review.opendev.org/711011 | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | anyway, feel free to look at those, although the URLs are of course broken | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | remaining for cinder is the list of core contributors and the list of PTL duties | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | which reminds me | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | we get some latitude about what info we supply about the cinder-core | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | the bare-bones would be a link to the gerrit group | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | https://review.opendev.org/#/admin/groups/83,members | 14:12 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: Thanks for tackling the contrib docs goal. Wanted to chat with you about that. I will look at the patches. | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | but the goal champions suggest more info, like irc nick, timezone, etc | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | my thought is to put that up as a wiki page | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | and then each person can control how much info is displayed | 14:13 |
| smcginnis | My concern with irc nick and timezone information is that is something that requires ongoing updates and maintenance. | 14:13 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: I like that idea. I would encourage the cores to share more than less. | 14:13 |
| tosky | the os-brick thing may be seen as non-compliant with the text of the goal, but I personally think it makes sense | 14:13 |
| smcginnis | In other words, highly likely to get out of sync and have stale info. | 14:13 |
| tosky | smcginnis, rosmaita : I usually get those details from stackalytics | 14:14 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: How often are our cores changing though. :-) | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | Though also true our cores haven't been changing much, so maybe ok. | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yeah. | 14:14 |
| tosky | our big brother which tracks everyone and shows the hours when anyone is active | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | But I would still prefer like tosky says and link to some other source of truth for those things. | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | does stackalytics show time zones? | 14:14 |
| tosky | rosmaita: it shows when you are active, which is even more relevant | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | Honestly, I don't think people should have to know that much detail about cores. | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | i'm inclined to agree with smcginnis here | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | ok, we can start out small and enhance if the people demand it | 14:15 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | i'll just put a link to the gerrit group and stackalytics | 14:16 |
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| smcginnis | ++ | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | related to this, though, i've been wondering about timezone.io | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | has anyone used it? | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | it would be helpful to me anyway to see the TZs of cores | 14:16 |
| smcginnis | For your purposes, I'm good with that. | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | problem is, you have to log into it to add yourself to the cinder team | 14:17 |
| tosky | do you think it is needed even if you can check through stackalytics? | 14:17 |
| jungleboyj | Hmm, I haven't used that but that is a good tool to know about. | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | tosky: what i'd like to see is what time it is now in each person's timezone | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | with a groovy picture | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | and for people like hemna who switch TZs, they can "easily" update it | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | i'll send invites to the core team ... don't feel obligated to do it if you think it's stupid | 14:19 |
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| rosmaita | if enough people participate, we can open it up to any active contributor | 14:19 |
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| rosmaita | becuase it would be nice to see who's available to review stuff, not just cores | 14:19 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, ++ | 14:19 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 14:19 |
| e0ne | +1 | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | it doesn't help non-members, but would be useful for us maybe | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita timezone.io invites to cinder-core | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | ok, last announcement | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | #topic announcements - follow-up on action item | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements - follow-up on action item (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:21 | |
| rosmaita | i am being very inconsistent about the topic changes | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | they "orgainze" the minutes | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | anyway | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | i only got around to my action item this morning | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | it was to email the QA team about taking over some devstack plugins | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | so i figured i could put a draft on an etherpad for anyone who is interested in this | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | to make sure i covered the concerns correctly | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Z0rk9QPpOY | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | please take a look if you can, feel free to make revisions or bring up stuff i forgot | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i'll send it out around 2pm my time, which i think is 1900 UTC | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's it for announcements | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | #topic policy change proposal questions | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "policy change proposal questions (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:24 | |
| rosmaita | i added this because we didn't have any topics earlier this morning | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | anyway, we may already have a policy about this that i'm ignorant of | 14:24 |
| e0ne | rosmaita: feel free to remove my one :) | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/678799/ | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | e0ne: no, i am looking forward to yours! | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | so, the proposal is to make a policy more fine grained | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | so instead of just MANAGE | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | have MANAGE_CREATE | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | MANAGE_UPDATE | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | MANAGE_DELETE | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | something like that | 14:25 |
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| rosmaita | so that part i'm ok with, though the naming scheme isn't quite in line with the other policies in that file | 14:26 |
| e0ne | it sounds reasonable | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | my question is | 14:26 |
| eharney | i seem to recall a similar change for a different policy item, we should look at the last one for consistency/concerns... but generally i think this works | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | they propose to just remove MANAGE (the current policy that covers all CRUD) | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | but that would break anyone who's already configured that policy | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | becuase now only the default values for the new ones will work | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | so my question is (for real this time) | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | how do we handle this? | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | since the default is whatever the admin-api default is, i'm not worried about security | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | but it could be annoying | 14:27 |
| eharney | i'm not sure of the significance of the 'path' changes | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | is a release note enough, or do we need something in the code to handle both during a deprecation period? | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | eharney: yeah, i didn't look closely at that, i think that's only used for generating the sample file | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | as a documentation thing | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | well, we don't have to settle this now | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | just wanted to bring it up in case we already had an answer somewhere | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | that's all from me | 14:30 |
| eharney | one sec | 14:30 |
| eharney | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/571563/ was the last one | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | thanks | 14:30 |
| eharney | maybe we learned something there | 14:31 |
| eharney | (that's all) | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | thanks, that is helpful -- looks like some of these points came up on the review | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | i'll look it over and revisit next week if there are still open questions | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | #topic changes for backup configuration | 14:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "changes for backup configuration (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:32 | |
| rosmaita | e0ne: that's you! | 14:33 |
| e0ne | thanks, rosmaita | 14:35 |
| e0ne | I'm hitting with volume drivers configuration for a generic backups | 14:35 |
| e0ne | probably, this will require a new spec or update an old one, but I would like to have some feedback sooner | 14:36 |
| e0ne | my idea is to decouple backup-specific configuration from the [DEFAULT] section | 14:36 |
| e0ne | so we can implement 2 solutions: | 14:37 |
| e0ne | 1) just add a [backup] section | 14:37 |
| e0ne | 2) allow volume drivers confit to have 'is_backup' flag and add 'enabled_backup_backends' section | 14:37 |
| e0ne | #2 will be a less complex to implement | 14:38 |
| eharney | why is the 'is_backup' flag needed if the backend is listed in enabled_backup_backends? | 14:38 |
| e0ne | eharney: you're right, we don't need it | 14:38 |
| * e0ne didn't recovered from the vacation yet:( | 14:39 | |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: That is a good problem to have. | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | hope that means you had a good vacation! | 14:39 |
| e0ne | so #2 is to add `enabled_backup_backends` config option | 14:39 |
| e0ne | I prefer to follow this way with enabled_backup_backends | 14:40 |
| jungleboyj | So, enabled_backup_backends would be just like enabled_drivers right. Just for backups? | 14:40 |
| e0ne | rosmaita: I did:) | 14:40 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: yes | 14:40 |
| eharney | do we support something like volume multi-backend for backups? | 14:40 |
| jungleboyj | Would it use the same [volume] config section? | 14:40 |
| e0ne | eharney: technically, we support it now, but we can't schedule backups to the specific host/backend | 14:40 |
| jungleboyj | Or would a separate one need to be created for backup? | 14:41 |
| eharney | it would be a new section to create another instance of the volume driver (as a backup driver), i think | 14:41 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: sorry, didn't get your question | 14:41 |
| jungleboyj | If the section to configured the driver for backup would need to be a new section in the file. | 14:42 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: yes, it will be a new section in a cinder.conf | 14:43 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 14:43 |
| e0ne | and I do understand that we need to care about backward-compatibility | 14:43 |
| jungleboyj | I think that that approach makes sense. | 14:44 |
| e0ne | do I need to propose a spec for this? | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | That would probably be good. | 14:45 |
| eharney | yes | 14:45 |
| smcginnis | Seems like there are enough details that we need to capture and understand. | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | it will make the documentation easier later, too | 14:45 |
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| jungleboyj | Yeah. | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | it sounds reasonable, though | 14:46 |
| e0ne | ok, I'll come back with a spec and some code before the next meeting | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | great! | 14:47 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:47 | |
| LiangFang | hi team, I have two questions about plugin. 1) who would create the repo devstack-plugin-open-cas please? me or cinder cores? 2) This plugin would be called by CI, right? Where can I find the code of CI, so I can make sure devstack-plugin-open-cas works correctly with CI. Thanks. | 14:48 |
| e0ne | thanks for the feedback! | 14:48 |
| smcginnis | LiangFang: Infra would need to create any repos. | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i guess the first thing would be to request the repo | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | as far as creation goes, it would be you, mostly | 14:49 |
| smcginnis | LiangFang: You would need to test locally to make sure it works with devstack. Then create a zuul job that uses it to run tempest (or whatever other kind of testing). | 14:49 |
| LiangFang | ok, so I need to contact infra team, right? | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | i guess the devstack-ceph-plugin and the stuff in devstack/lib/cinder/plugins would be good examples of how to wire it together | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | LiangFang: yes, i think there's a doc page explaining this, i will look while we are talking | 14:51 |
| LiangFang | thanks, I will take a look of doc | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | i think this is it: | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html | 14:52 |
| LiangFang | thanks | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | there's probably stuff in there that you won't need to do | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | LiangFang: ping me if you need help on getting this set up | 14:52 |
| LiangFang | I will study how to create a zuul job from some doc | 14:52 |
| LiangFang | rosmaita: thanks | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | LiangFang: btw, the name of the software is "open-cas", not "opencas" -- is that right? | 14:53 |
| eharney | i can maybe look at how i did this for devstack-plugin-nfs, but that was years ago | 14:53 |
| LiangFang | I see the name is: OpenCAS or open-cas | 14:53 |
| LiangFang | eharney: thanks | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | ok, we can keep the hyphen | 14:54 |
| LiangFang | ok | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | just want to be sure ... it's always really hard to rename anything | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | so 'devstack-plugin-open-cas' seems good | 14:55 |
| LiangFang | https://open-cas.github.io/getting_started_open_cas_linux.html | 14:55 |
| LiangFang | they are using open-cas | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | great, that settles it | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | just a few minutes left ... anyone have anything they'd like to bring up? | 14:56 |
| LiangFang | do you know how to publish a white paper in openstack website? | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | LiangFang: no, maybe contact jimmy mcarthur? anyone know? | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | LiangFang: Yeah, you can ask Jimmy. | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | Either a superuser article, or on a blog that would get picked up by plant.o.o. | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | Jimmy McArthur <jimmy@openstack.org> | 14:59 |
| LiangFang | thanks:) | 14:59 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, I would start with Jimmy. | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | ok, i guess that's it for today ... thanks everyone! | 14:59 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| LiangFang | thank you team! | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 4 15:00:00 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2020/cinder.2020-03-04-14.00.html | 15:00 |
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| whoami-rajat | Thanks! | 15:00 |
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